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  • TarquinWJ 2010-08-27 09:10
    The systray one just looks like a program that kept crashing and respawning itself. Since (on XP at least, which is not what the screenshot shows, but meh) the program crashes, it doesn't notify the system to remove the icon. Next time it starts, it displays a new icon. The system doesn't notice the dead icon until you hover it with the mouse. Repeat the crash->respawn pattern 334 times to get 335 icons. (Of course, it is a WTF that the system doesn't notice that it still has an icon for a program that it just killed. Also, it is a WTF that you're still using a program that crashes so frequently.)
  • frits 2010-08-27 09:13
    It's been awhile since I took calculus, but I can't remember any problems that the answer was a single integer.
  • Andrew 2010-08-27 09:19
    TRWTF is why DirectVobSub never terminates its tray icons when it's done. All those arrows probably came from a mix of that and all the videos in a directory getting thumbnailed.
  • Math Time 2010-08-27 09:23
    How about what is the intergral of x from 0 to 1?
  • Ben 2010-08-27 09:30
    frits:
    It's been awhile since I took calculus, but I can't remember any problems that the answer was a single integer.


    Really? Like what's the area under y=2*x^2 from x=1 to x=4?
  • sadwings 2010-08-27 09:32
    I saw that Iceland Air wtf back in February of this year when I visited. I took a picture and thought about sending it in, but I'm too lazy.

  • shimon 2010-08-27 09:37
    "I mean, it's freaking 42 of all numbers - how could it NOT be correct??."


    That depends. Anyway, can you tell what the actual question to this answer was?
  • frits 2010-08-27 09:40
    Ben:
    frits:
    It's been awhile since I took calculus, but I can't remember any problems that the answer was a single integer.


    Really? Like what's the area under y=2*x^2 from x=1 to x=4?


    In my day, we had to show our work, which was part of the answer. I guess lazy teachers who give online assignments may not require it.
  • Cbuttius 2010-08-27 09:57
    I was going to write a witty comment here but got no response from my Brain.
  • Cbuttius 2010-08-27 09:59
    shimon:
    "I mean, it's freaking 42 of all numbers - how could it NOT be correct??."


    That depends. Anyway, can you tell what the actual question to this answer was?


    What do you get if you multiply 6 by 9.
  • Hasteur 2010-08-27 10:15
    You say brain like it's a bad thing. First thing I do when I get on a new project is create a brain class. It's revolutionary in the fact that it will replace all need for clients themselves.
  • golddog 2010-08-27 10:17
    On the survey one, I don't get how the answer can be anything but, "Disagree".

    It's not a particularly interesting survey, but there you are.

    Is it zen-like maybe?
  • Ford Prefect 2010-08-27 10:19
    Cbuttius:
    shimon:
    "I mean, it's freaking 42 of all numbers - how could it NOT be correct??."


    That depends. Anyway, can you tell what the actual question to this answer was?


    What do you get if you multiply 6 by 9.

    How many paths can a man go down?
  • whiskeyjack 2010-08-27 10:26
    I think you guys have the wrong Brain. You're thinking of Pinky and "THE Brain". The error clearly states that it's simply "Brain", not "The Brain".

    Therefore, the bank server is clearly trying to contact the dog from Inspector Gadget.
  • TheCPUWizard 2010-08-27 10:45
    Math Time:
    How about what is the intergral of x from 0 to 1?


    It is infinate since you did not specify a lower bounding condition at y=0, therefore all of the area down to minus infinity should be included.
  • boog 2010-08-27 11:06
    shimon:
    "I mean, it's freaking 42 of all numbers - how could it NOT be correct??."


    That depends. Anyway, can you tell what the actual question to this answer was?


    No. Absolutely not. The question and the answer are mutually exclusive.

    Knowing both will cause very bad things to happen.
  • jpers36 2010-08-27 11:07
    Brain and Brain, what is Brain?
  • frits 2010-08-27 11:09
    What is this, 1999?
  • Bert Glanstron 2010-08-27 11:11
    frits:
    What is this, 1999?
    You are an idiot and should be banned from your mommy and daddy’s modem.
  • JamesQMurphy 2010-08-27 11:17
    whiskeyjack:
    I think you guys have the wrong Brain. You're thinking of Pinky and "THE Brain". The error clearly states that it's simply "Brain", not "The Brain".

    Therefore, the bank server is clearly trying to contact the dog from Inspector Gadget.


    I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the bank server is really Penny.

    Heh... a bank server named Penny. Now THAT'S funny! Darth and Bert trolls, take note.
  • Harrow 2010-08-27 11:17
    TarquinWJ:
    ... Repeat the crash->respawn pattern 334 times to get 335 icons...
    WTF? You counted the icons?

    -Harrow.
  • Ken B. 2010-08-27 11:22
    Ford Prefect:
    Cbuttius:
    shimon:
    "I mean, it's freaking 42 of all numbers - how could it NOT be correct??."
    That depends. Anyway, can you tell what the actual question to this answer was?
    What do you get if you multiply 6 by 9.
    How many paths can a man go down?
    The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.
  • Ken B. 2010-08-27 11:26
    JamesQMurphy:
    whiskeyjack:
    I think you guys have the wrong Brain. You're thinking of Pinky and "THE Brain". The error clearly states that it's simply "Brain", not "The Brain".

    Therefore, the bank server is clearly trying to contact the dog from Inspector Gadget.
    I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the bank server is really Penny.

    Heh... a bank server named Penny. Now THAT'S funny! Darth and Bert trolls, take note.
    (knock, knock, knock) Penny?

    (knock, knock, knock) Penny?

    (knock, knock, knock) Penny?
  • Ken B. 2010-08-27 11:29
    Harrow:
    TarquinWJ:
    ... Repeat the crash->respawn pattern 334 times to get 335 icons...
    WTF? You counted the icons?
    I'm pretty sure it was a simple calculus equation, and he didn't have to count them all. (It's not like Albert Hall, or anything.)
  • Maurits 2010-08-27 11:34
    Question #1 of 1

    ...

    Skip <-- WTF #1
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  • Maurits 2010-08-27 11:38
    TheCPUWizard:
    Math Time:
    How about what is the intergral of x from 0 to 1?


    It is infinate since you did not specify a lower bounding condition at y=0, therefore all of the area down to minus infinity should be included.


    That's all negative area, though. So the answer should be -∞.
  • Pinky 2010-08-27 11:46
    Gee Brain, what do you want to do tonight?
  • Yellow Leader 2010-08-27 12:00
    The memes...they've stopped...

    Stabilize your rear deflector screens.
  • Penny 2010-08-27 12:02
    Ken B.:
    JamesQMurphy:
    whiskeyjack:
    I think you guys have the wrong Brain. You're thinking of Pinky and "THE Brain". The error clearly states that it's simply "Brain", not "The Brain".

    Therefore, the bank server is clearly trying to contact the dog from Inspector Gadget.
    I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the bank server is really Penny.

    Heh... a bank server named Penny. Now THAT'S funny! Darth and Bert trolls, take note.
    (knock, knock, knock) Penny?

    (knock, knock, knock) Penny?

    (knock, knock, knock) Penny?


    Hello Sheldon.
  • Ralph 2010-08-27 12:26
    TarquinWJ:
    the program crashes, it doesn't notify the system to remove the icon
    Yeaaahhh... what idiot came up with this bright idea? We'll expect every program to tell the system what's going on, because the system doesn't know.

    That's a system that needs to go in the garbage bin, now.
  • Sporkle 2010-08-27 12:32
    Looks like Pearson's MathXL online homework system. Folks here will be pleased to know that running the client requires FF3+ or IE7+, JRE, Flash, Quicktime, and for some reason their proprietary Windows only browser plugin.

    Captcha: damnum
  • LB 2010-08-27 12:34
    frits:
    In my day, we had to show our work, which was part of the answer.

    Yeah, I remember that. It was really annoying to people good at math. Of course, it made sense on really long complex equations, but my teacher wanted us to show our work for every question, even the simple ones. It was a little like being asked what 1 + 1 is, but being told that 2 isn't a good enough answer. Simple calculus equations were the same way. I'd look at the question, and the answer would be obvious. There was no work to show. Eventually, I figured out that just scribbling some random numbers and letters followed by the right answer would get me full points for the question. Apparently, my teacher wasn't actually checking the work we showed, just that there was something there and that it ended with the right answer.
  • Ibi-Wan Kentobi 2010-08-27 12:42
    TheCPUWizard:
    Math Time:
    How about what is the intergral of x from 0 to 1?


    It is infinate since you did not specify a lower bounding condition at y=0, therefore all of the area down to minus infinity should be included.


    Excellent try. Unfortunately, the question was not "what is the area under the curve", because then you would be correct (or at least, correct if you'd said -inf).

    Simply asking for the integral of a function implies the axis as a lower bound. What you COULD have picked on was the fact that the variable of integration was not defined -- int(x,dy,0,1) would be x, and int(x,dx,0,1) would be 1/2.

    Or just go with the english major's critique and complain about the misspelling of "intergal".
  • Mark 2010-08-27 12:50
    42 was the correct answer. The problem was that he didn't understand the question.
  • tadaa 2010-08-27 12:58
    @TarquinWJ, The systray one isn't from a crashing program. It is DirectVobSub which apparently doesn't remove itself from the tray once it is done.. Play 10 videofiles through something which uses it and it displays 10 icons.

    Not really a big wtf, but..
  • Ken B. 2010-08-27 13:07
    LB:
    frits:
    In my day, we had to show our work, which was part of the answer.

    Yeah, I remember that. It was really annoying to people good at math. Of course, it made sense on really long complex equations, but my teacher wanted us to show our work for every question, even the simple ones. It was a little like being asked what 1 + 1 is, but being told that 2 isn't a good enough answer. Simple calculus equations were the same way. I'd look at the question, and the answer would be obvious. There was no work to show. Eventually, I figured out that just scribbling some random numbers and letters followed by the right answer would get me full points for the question. Apparently, my teacher wasn't actually checking the work we showed, just that there was something there and that it ended with the right answer.
    The work was there in case you got it wrong. Then, depending on your work, you might get "partial credit". If the answer was right, I'm sure they didn't bother verifying the work.

    I remember the same thing in calculus (actually, differential equations, IIRC). There was a long, convoluted question that basically boiled down to "after 7 half-lives, you have 1 left, how many did you start with?" I wrote "128" and wasn't given any credit for a correct answer.
  • Sir Twist 2010-08-27 13:08
    Ralph:
    TarquinWJ:
    the program crashes, it doesn't notify the system to remove the icon
    Yeaaahhh... what idiot came up with this bright idea? We'll expect every program to tell the system what's going on, because the system doesn't know.

    That's a system that needs to go in the garbage bin, now.


    No, sorry, Microsoft made the correct decision in not asking every program registered in the notification area "Are you okay?" every 200 ms and/or every time a process exits.
  • Ken B. 2010-08-27 13:16
    Sir Twist:
    Ralph:
    TarquinWJ:
    the program crashes, it doesn't notify the system to remove the icon
    Yeaaahhh... what idiot came up with this bright idea? We'll expect every program to tell the system what's going on, because the system doesn't know.

    That's a system that needs to go in the garbage bin, now.
    No, sorry, Microsoft made the correct decision in not asking every program registered in the notification area "Are you okay?" every 200 ms and/or every time a process exits.
    Well, it could keep track of process-specific resources, and release them on exit, just like it does with file handles and non-shared memory. (Though, as I recall, early versions of Windows documented the "undefined behavior" of exiting without closing a file handle.)
  • airdrik 2010-08-27 13:19
    Sir Twist:
    Ralph:
    TarquinWJ:
    the program crashes, it doesn't notify the system to remove the icon
    Yeaaahhh... what idiot came up with this bright idea? We'll expect every program to tell the system what's going on, because the system doesn't know.

    That's a system that needs to go in the garbage bin, now.


    No, sorry, Microsoft made the correct decision in not asking every program registered in the notification area "Are you okay?" every 200 ms and/or every time a process exits.


    Well, technically Windows could have part of the process closed cleanup some checks for things like if there was a system tray icon associated with the process (similar to how when a process with a window crashes that it knows to clean up the window and task bar icon).

    Of course, it is Microsoft Windows. You can't expect them to get anything correct.
  • McSteve 2010-08-27 13:48
    Ooo, CourseCompass/MyMathLab... *shudder*

    I just finished a math class with that system. It's a bit odd sometimes.
  • Deep Thought 2010-08-27 14:11
    frits:
    It's been awhile since I took calculus, but I can't remember any problems that the answer was a single integer.

  • The Nerve 2010-08-27 14:26
    Deep Thought:
    frits:
    It's been awhile since I took calculus, but I can't remember any problems that the answer was a single integer.


    Truly a memorable problem. Sniff - wipes tear from eye.
  • Captain Normal Form 2010-08-27 14:32
    The Nerve:
    Deep Thought:
    frits:
    It's been awhile since I took calculus, but I can't remember any problems that the answer was a single integer.


    Truly a memorable problem. Sniff - wipes tear from eye.


    Don't tell me, you guys used Rudin too.
  • caecus 2010-08-27 14:48

    The answer 42 is actually correct for small enough values of 42.
  • Ralph 2010-08-27 15:02
    Sir Twist:
    Ralph:
    TarquinWJ:
    the program crashes, it doesn't notify the system to remove the icon
    Yeaaahhh... what idiot came up with this bright idea? We'll expect every program to tell the system what's going on, because the system doesn't know.

    That's a system that needs to go in the garbage bin, now.


    No, sorry, Microsoft made the correct decision in not asking every program registered in the notification area "Are you okay?" every 200 ms and/or every time a process exits.
    So you're saying Windows doesn't know, and moreover no operating system can know, when a process terminates? Unless of course the process is still alive enough to say "hey daddy I'm dying down here!"
  • FuBar 2010-08-27 15:56
    Ibi-Wan Kentobi:
    Unfortunately, the question was not "what is the area under the curve", because then...
    because then the answer would be funny. What is under the curve is: Irish Girl.
  • Jay 2010-08-27 16:05
    frits:
    It's been awhile since I took calculus, but I can't remember any problems that the answer was a single integer.


    Evaluate the integral 1/x dx over the range e^2 to e^84.
  • usitas 2010-08-27 16:16
    frits:
    I can't remember calculus, but my problem is that my IQ is a single integer.

    FTFY
  • Valczir 2010-08-27 16:41
    Sir Twist:
    Ralph:
    TarquinWJ:
    the program crashes, it doesn't notify the system to remove the icon
    Yeaaahhh... what idiot came up with this bright idea? We'll expect every program to tell the system what's going on, because the system doesn't know.

    That's a system that needs to go in the garbage bin, now.


    No, sorry, Microsoft made the correct decision in not asking every program registered in the notification area "Are you okay?" every 200 ms and/or every time a process exits.


    No, sorry, Microsoft made the incorrect decision in not hiring programmers who know how to create an event handler that cleans up resources created by programs when they stop running.

    If you have a process manager, you have a pretty easy way of registering an event when the process leaves the process manager. When it does so, whatever construct that is used to contain processes should easily be able to clean up all resources, especially things like icons in the system tray. The fact that Microsoft didn't bother to deal with that means that they either have way too much trust in third party developers or are simply incompetent.

    Not to mention that the system tray probably shouldn't exist in the first place. But that's a separate debate.
  • eric76 2010-08-27 17:24
    frits:
    It's been awhile since I took calculus, but I can't remember any problems that the answer was a single integer.


    Integrate f(x)=x over the interval from x=-1 to x=1.
  • sheldon 2010-08-27 17:26
    shimon:
    That depends. Anyway, can you tell what the actual question to this answer was?

    One of the best comments ever.
  • your name 2010-08-27 17:28
    shimon:
    "I mean, it's freaking 42 of all numbers - how could it NOT be correct??."


    That depends. Anyway, can you tell what the actual question to this answer was?

    Yes the actual question was
  • eric76 2010-08-27 17:37
    LB:
    Yeah, I remember that. It was really annoying to people good at math. Of course, it made sense on really long complex equations, but my teacher wanted us to show our work for every question, even the simple ones. It was a little like being asked what 1 + 1 is, but being told that 2 isn't a good enough answer. Simple calculus equations were the same way. I'd look at the question, and the answer would be obvious. There was no work to show. Eventually, I figured out that just scribbling some random numbers and letters followed by the right answer would get me full points for the question. Apparently, my teacher wasn't actually checking the work we showed, just that there was something there and that it ended with the right answer.
    Many years ago when I was in grad school, we had a take-home final for a course in Calculus of Variations. It was given out on a Friday and due the following Monday.

    There was an SCCA car race that weekend so I took it with me to work on it in the scoring tower between races. That day in the scoring tower, I was sitting next to a high school math teacher who kept looking over my shoulder but never said a word until I did something that really surprised her.

    On one problem, I made an error early on and ended up after many pages of work with a horrendus equation that took about half a page to write it down with all possible terms combined. Knowing I would never solve it and there must be something wrong, I wrote down something like "The solution of the above equation is left as an exercise to the reader." She just about had a fit over that.

    I had meant to go back and redo that problem, but forgot to do it so it got turned in just like that. Apparently the prof agreed because I made an 'A' on the exam and the course.
  • Captain Oblivious 2010-08-27 18:11
    eric76:
    LB:
    Yeah, I remember that. It was really annoying to people good at math. Of course, it made sense on really long complex equations, but my teacher wanted us to show our work for every question, even the simple ones. It was a little like being asked what 1 + 1 is, but being told that 2 isn't a good enough answer. Simple calculus equations were the same way. I'd look at the question, and the answer would be obvious. There was no work to show. Eventually, I figured out that just scribbling some random numbers and letters followed by the right answer would get me full points for the question. Apparently, my teacher wasn't actually checking the work we showed, just that there was something there and that it ended with the right answer.
    Many years ago when I was in grad school, we had a take-home final for a course in Calculus of Variations. It was given out on a Friday and due the following Monday.

    There was an SCCA car race that weekend so I took it with me to work on it in the scoring tower between races. That day in the scoring tower, I was sitting next to a high school math teacher who kept looking over my shoulder but never said a word until I did something that really surprised her.

    On one problem, I made an error early on and ended up after many pages of work with a horrendus equation that took about half a page to write it down with all possible terms combined. Knowing I would never solve it and there must be something wrong, I wrote down something like "The solution of the above equation is left as an exercise to the reader." She just about had a fit over that.

    I had meant to go back and redo that problem, but forgot to do it so it got turned in just like that. Apparently the prof agreed because I made an 'A' on the exam and the course.


    That's fair enough in an upper-level math class. You should already understand "mathematical rigor". My thesis advisor pretty much told us, "Work on each of the problems until you are satisfied. I already know the answer."

    Of course, the problem in your case was that your error lead to a wrong (and worse yet, bad) representation of the problem. This makes it harder to thread the correct parts of the argument through. It's still possible, and your prof probably just glazed over during the mistake part, and read the rest of the argument based on the "join principle". (A function is a many-to-one join of types)

    This notion of "threading an argument through a construct" is my biggest problem with modern programming practice. Choosing the wrong normal form for computation means having to "thread" an argument through inappropriate constructs. For example, there is absolutely no need to use a factory pattern in a language with functors ("map" functions over arbitrary containers). And you shouldn't even want to. All that boilerplate has to be maintained.
  • Stan 2010-08-27 20:16
    Really? A good portion of the answers when I took calculus were 0, with a close second being 1; of course, the textbooks would usually give problems which ended with "nice" numbers like that.
  • Anon 2010-08-27 20:28
    frits:
    It's been awhile since I took calculus, but I can't remember any problems that the answer was a single integer.


    f(x) = 42x
    what's f'(x)?
  • John Muller 2010-08-27 21:07
    It dosn't, it's the Notification Area.

    And it can be used to notify the user that a process has exited, a process exiting deleting the notification that a process exited would be a real WTF.
  • Known Unartist 2010-08-28 15:49
  • 0b1 2010-08-28 16:28
    This is not the survey you are looking for
  • undefined 2010-08-29 14:22
    I think that Windows 7 is the best OS over because of ability of Microsoft programmers to think about such things.
  • Xythar 2010-08-29 19:52
    Oh hey there DirectVobSub. I've had the same thing happen to me after watching a bunch of videos, although not quite as many icons as that.
  • GalacticCowboy 2010-08-30 07:30
    TRWTF:



    (Yes, it's an image. Clicking it will not accomplish anything. Yes, it's really a trackback URL on this article...)
  • Ol' Bob 2010-08-30 08:33
    Look - 42 is *the* answer - to the big questions - about Life, the Universe, and Everything..? Of course it can't be *an* answer to a simple calculus problem!

    Ol' "...as simple as you wanna be..." Bob
  • VRAndy 2010-08-30 16:39
    He'll feel stupid when he's returning his Roku music player for the 653rd time in two years.
  • Wgren 2010-08-31 08:54
    Hopefully that plane has paradox-absorbing bumpers, or they are going to be in trouble.
  • Bumble Bee Tuna 2010-08-31 13:31
    frits:
    It's been awhile since I took calculus, but I can't remember any problems that the answer was a single integer.


    hey baby, wanna integral from 10 to 13 of 2xdx?
  • Biff 2010-09-03 14:58
    Am i the only one who would click "disagree" there?