Unused Plural Form

  • foo 2012-12-21 08:01
    CommenFrist has expired.
  • Capitalist 2012-12-21 08:05
    $13000 taxes for a bag of Belly Flops. Better get used to it! Under this communist government this will be the new normal.
  • Buggz 2012-12-21 08:05
    foo:
    CommenFrist has expired.

    Funny thing is, "frist" means deadline in norwegian.
  • fjf 2012-12-21 08:10
    #4 is obviously copying the disk from #3. But don't worry, it's a time machine, so you can just travel back with the backup.
  • Sam 2012-12-21 08:11
    Sorry, if you read closely, you only get that incredible disk capacity when it is unformatted. Format, and you're stuck with a measly 2TB like the rest of us.
  • eVil 2012-12-21 08:15
    Capitalist:
    ...this communist government...


    For very small values of communist, right?
  • ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL 2012-12-21 08:18
    Damn. I was only looking for 3.141592653589732 acres.

    Yes, that was from memory. But I checked afterwards to be sure.
  • iogy 2012-12-21 08:18
    "144.12 petabytes on a 3.5" Seagate Barracuda? Sign. Me. Up.", Brad H. writes.

    Vatsan wrote, "It turns out I have to wait for 'About 140 years' for Time Machine to backup to my USB drive."


    The upside and downside of big storage right in the same article.
  • ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL 2012-12-21 08:23
    ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL:
    Damn. I was only looking for 3.141592653589732 acres.
    ...897932, dammit. It can be hard to check stuff like that in the morning before your eyes wake up fully.
  • Jack 2012-12-21 08:30
    eVil:
    Capitalist:
    ...this communist government...

    For very small values of communist, right?
    At combined tax rates approaching 50% (higher for some) we're halfway there. What are you spenders going to do when taxes exceed 100%? No one will be able to afford to work!

    Monday and Friday of every week, the money you earn is not yours to keep. 40% tax. Not that much different from 40% slavery.

    By the way, steal every last cent from the rich and you still won't have enough to pay all the U.S. government's future promises.
  • Bring Back Nagesh 2012-12-21 08:38
    ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL:
    ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL:
    Damn. I was only looking for 3.141592653589732 acres.
    ...897932, dammit. It can be hard to check stuff like that in the morning before your eyes wake up fully.

    Who cares?
  • Rodnas 2012-12-21 08:39
    Capitalist:
    $13000 taxes for a bag of Belly Flops. Better get used to it! Under this communist government this will be the new normal.


    It is probably misspelled. That would be $13000 taxes for a bag of Peta flops. Which sounds about right.
  • commoveo 2012-12-21 08:59
    Capitalist:
    $13000 taxes for a bag of Belly Flops. Better get used to it! Under this communist government this will be the new normal.


    You're under a fascist government. Learn some politics.
  • Foo Bar 2012-12-21 09:12
    Anyone know why the string "Unused Plural Form" is a repeated span tag in Google+?
  • Meep 2012-12-21 09:13
    commoveo:
    Capitalist:
    $13000 taxes for a bag of Belly Flops. Better get used to it! Under this communist government this will be the new normal.


    You're under a fascist government. Learn some politics.


    Yes, national socialism instead of international socialism. I know it's hard to believe, but most of us don't care about the left's endless infighting.
  • Meep 2012-12-21 09:19
    eVil:
    Capitalist:
    ...this communist government...

    For very small values of communist, right?

    Of course we're not proper communists. If we were true communists, unlike Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin who didn't butcher quite enough people to make it actually work, then we'd all be in a workers' paradise.
  • qazwsx 2012-12-21 09:20
    But what good is all that storage if it's on a Seagate drive?
  • petervaz 2012-12-21 09:25
    "It turns out I have to wait for 'About 140 years' for Time Machine to backup to my USB drive."

    And by then, you will be IN THE FUTURE!
  • renewest 2012-12-21 09:27
    Short passwords are very secure. Consider a 1 character password. As soon as a second character is entered it's already wrong. It doesn't get more secure than that !
  • zolf 2012-12-21 09:38
    Vatsan:
    It turns out I have to wait for 'About 140 years' for Time Machine to backup to my USB drive.

    This Time Machine goes only forward.
  • Hantas 2012-12-21 09:44
    So, how much is 21,58,391?
  • Bring Back Nagesh 2012-12-21 09:47
    renewest:
    Short passwords are very secure. Consider a 1 character password. As soon as a second character is entered it's already wrong. It doesn't get more secure than that !

    In that case, zero-length passwords are even better!
  • boomzilla 2012-12-21 09:52
    I'm just adding a comment for the guy who counts comments.
  • Pi 2012-12-21 09:55
    Hantas:
    So, how much is 21,58,391?


    It's not a value, it's a coordinate.
  • BlueKnot 2012-12-21 09:56
    Stefan Sundin got this dialog while using Google Music.
    Well OKs then.
  • Bring Back TopCod3r 2012-12-21 10:03
    Bring Back Nagesh:
    ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL:
    ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL:
    Damn. I was only looking for 3.141592653589732 acres.
    ...897932, dammit. It can be hard to check stuff like that in the morning before your eyes wake up fully.

    Who cares?


    If you want to ask for a troll to return, at least choose a good one.
  • Steenbergh 2012-12-21 10:11
    It turns out I have to wait for 'About 140 years' for Time Machine to backup to my USB drive."

    That's what I call a Time machine!
  • Anon') or 1=1 2012-12-21 10:15
    TRWTF: 21,58,391 files
  • 144 petabytes 2012-12-21 10:16
    Isn't it odd that ~144.12 petabytes (or whatever that byte amount is,) is actually 128 pebibytes.

    Captcha: aguae (like agua. I'm in chem and have Spanish next)
  • Valued Service 2012-12-21 10:44
    Meep:
    commoveo:
    Capitalist:
    $13000 taxes for a bag of Belly Flops. Better get used to it! Under this communist government this will be the new normal.


    You're under a fascist government. Learn some politics.


    Yes, national socialism instead of international socialism. I know it's hard to believe, but most of us don't care about the left's endless infighting.


    Remember when $42,000 a year was rich, 4 years ago, during someone's first campaign for President. No one thought much about it, but if you take that into the international, that's about the line where you are considered internationally to be at the top 1%.

    Seems like someone wants international socialism. Not only do we take from the rich to hand-out to the poor in our own country. We take from our rich to hand-out to the countries that can't manage their own people.

    Something like funneling the fuel from the engine to the tires. Those poor tires. Too bad there isn't any work anymore, cause the engine can't move.
  • Zecc 2012-12-21 11:08
    Hantas:
    So, how much is 21,58,391?
    A little over 21,58,390.

    Also, I hope Roman has sent ChangeDetection.com a nice little email telling them there is no good reason for there being a limit on password length, and how he suspects their database is insecure.
  • SP 2012-12-21 11:17
    I find this interesting in many many ways!
  • PseudoBovine 2012-12-21 11:28
    Jack:
    Monday and Friday of every week, the money you earn is not yours to keep. 40% tax. Not that much different from 40% slavery.


    All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

    Yes, you might pay ~40% of your income to the Government. Have you ever actually tallied up how much you'd pay if you weren't paying the government for them? And I mean an honest calculation, not some vague "the free market would make it better" guestimate. Combine all the money you'd pay to access private roads, the extra you'd pay to be sure your milk's not just chalk and water, that private militia you'll need to keep the Canadians from stealing your maple syrup, etc. and I'm not sure you're coming out ahead. But hey, it'd be "voluntary", so that makes all the difference.
  • damnum 2012-12-21 11:42
    CAN YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY WITH YOUR COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM AND FREE MARKED AND TAXES BULLSHIT? THIS IS A CODING SITE. THANK YOU.
  • cellocgw 2012-12-21 11:59
    This is getting kinda old, really. The time estimate is based on the last transfer volume/elapsed time; there's always a very high estimate when the transfer starts, due to setup overhead. The next estimate is always much more accurate. Compare this (since the pic is OSX) with Windows completion estimates that invariably grow just when you're getting past 95% complete.
  • Richard 2012-12-21 12:02
    OK, $13K tax is obviously a mistake; but $31.67 shipping for an $8.99 order?! That's TRWTF.
  • Hogan 2012-12-21 12:06
    damnum:
    CAN YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY WITH YOUR COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM AND FREE MARKED AND TAXES BULLSHIT? THIS IS A CODING SITE. THANK YOU.

    You must be communism supporter...
  • Paul Neumann 2012-12-21 12:09
    Hogan:
    You must be communism supporter...
    Not everyone can be an athlete, but we can all be athletic supporters.
  • Valued Service 2012-12-21 12:16
    PseudoBovine:
    Jack:
    Monday and Friday of every week, the money you earn is not yours to keep. 40% tax. Not that much different from 40% slavery.


    All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

    Yes, you might pay ~40% of your income to the Government. Have you ever actually tallied up how much you'd pay if you weren't paying the government for them? And I mean an honest calculation, not some vague "the free market would make it better" guestimate. Combine all the money you'd pay to access private roads, the extra you'd pay to be sure your milk's not just chalk and water, that private militia you'll need to keep the Canadians from stealing your maple syrup, etc. and I'm not sure you're coming out ahead. But hey, it'd be "voluntary", so that makes all the difference.


    This argument is dishonest.

    We say that the taxes is too high because the Government is doing too much.

    Then you pick out the basic necessities of Government for your idea of what it would be like if the Government does less.

    No one said make roads, FDA, and military private. Matter of fact, military is one of the things the liberals target when they want to reduce spending, so that's double dishonesty on your part.

    The basic necessities are covered in the Constitution, so the Government has to provide that.

    However, some of the excess needs to be trimmed off, and a lot of that is due to the baby boom, so in the next 40 years we'll see a little dip in the costs.

    Making health INSURANCE public (which is not health care, but a big economic band-aid that lets the disease fester and grow underneath until we'll have to amputate health care altogether), is not the answer.

    Making welfare into a racial-guilt and class warfare tool is costing us way too much.

    All the pig fart research and stuff, we can go without.
  • Ozz 2012-12-21 12:29
    Meep:

    Of course we're not proper communists. If we were true communists, unlike Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin who didn't butcher quite enough people to make it actually work, then we'd all be in a workers' paradise.
    They can't butcher the people due to the 2nd Amendment. Now, if only they could figure out a way to ban guns...
  • darkmattar 2012-12-21 12:45
    Ozz:
    Meep:

    Of course we're not proper communists. If we were true communists, unlike Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin who didn't butcher quite enough people to make it actually work, then we'd all be in a workers' paradise.
    They can't butcher the people due to the 2nd Amendment. Now, if only they could figure out a way to ban guns...


    Yea, your gun is what stops the government from killing you.
    Are gun people truly that delusional?
  • jay 2012-12-21 13:17
    PseudoBovine:
    Yes, you might pay ~40% of your income to the Government. Have you ever actually tallied up how much you'd pay if you weren't paying the government for them? And I mean an honest calculation, not some vague "the free market would make it better" guestimate.


    Well, of course we could debate endlessly what something might cost under hypothetical circumstances that have never actually existed.

    PseudoBovine:
    Combine all the money you'd pay to access private roads,


    Actually I strongly suspect I'd pay zero in direct costs. The transaction cost to charge people a toll every time they got on a road would be very high, so that's an unlikely market plan. No, more likely if our roads were all privately run, the people who ran them would make their money by selling advertising space for billboards.

    I once read that when radio was first invented, people said that of course this would have to be run by the government because there would be no practical way to charge people to listen to the radio, as anyone who could buy or build a radio could listen in and how would you know? But then the problem was solved by charging advertisers rather than listeners. By the way, this is a good case study of why so many socialist arguments for why something just MUST be done by the government fail: They all start with the assumption that because the speaker can't think of a way to solve a problem, that that must mean that there is no way to solve the problem.

    PseudoBovine:
    the extra you'd pay to be sure your milk's not just chalk and water,


    Yes, if we assume that everyone who is not a government bureaucrat is a moron who cannot run his own life, then it follows that we need the government to protect us from all sorts of potential dangers.

    In real life, if I buy a gallon of milk from Bob's Grocery Store I will presumably discover the first time I try to drink it that it is, in fact, chalk and water. And then -- and here's the beauty of capitalism -- I don't buy from that grocery store any more. I go somewhere else that provides a decent product. As it is likely that 99% of consumers will figure out within three seconds that there is something wrong with this milk, Bob's Grocery store will be out of business within days.

    You see, the whole idea of a free market is that the consumer decides who is giving him good products and services for his money and who isn't, and then he only buys from those who give decent service. I know this is a hard idea for socialists to understand, as they are always saying that consumers have no choice but to do whatever big business tells them to. But big business can only force you to do something when it has the government to back it up. Monopolies only exist when the government passes laws to keep out competition. For example, the only reason why I have to buy my electricity from one specified power company is because the government has declared it illegal for anyone else to sell electricity in my area. Capitalism only takes away my choices when it is not capitalism at all but socialism.

    PseudoBovine:
    that private militia you'll need to keep the Canadians from stealing your maple syrup, etc.


    I readily concede that military defense is an appropriate function of government.

    PseudoBovine:
    and I'm not sure you're coming out ahead.


    Exactly what do I get for what I pay in taxes? Let's just take the Federal level to simplify the matter -- that's where most of my tax money goes anyway.

    I get military protection. Okay, I'll accept that. Let's even accept that the amount spent is reasonable. That's now less than 20% of the Federal budget.

    When I was a kid I got a government-subsidized student loan. That saved me several hundred dollars in interest. I'm now able to take a tax credit for a portion of my kids' college tuition. That saves me $2,000 per year for 8 years (between my child who is now going to college and the one who probably will when he graduates high school).

    I benefitted from the FHA loan guarantees that let me buy a house with 5% down. Without that I would probably have had to pay higher interest or delay buying a house until I could save more. Hard to say the exact value, but likely several thousand dollars.

    What else? I'm hard pressed to think of other government programs that benefit me.

    Government subsidies to big business, like the Export-Import Bank, take money from me and give it to rich corporations. I don't see how I benefit from that.

    I am forced to participate in Social Security, a retirement plan that will pay me back less money than I paid into it. I woudl be better off if I had instead stuffed that money in a box and collected 0% interest. So I'm losing money on that.

    Government "price supports" on various products take my tax money and use it to make the price of things I buy more expensive. The stated goal of these programs is to make me pay more at the store.

    Various regulations increase the cost of everything I buy while taking away my choices. I have to pay higher taxes so the government can both take away my choices and make me pay higher prices. I lose on both ends.

    The Food & Drug Administration delays life-saving drugs from reaching the market, and increases the cost of those that do. In many cases they keep drugs off the market because they conclude that the bad side effects are not worth the benefit. So instead of me deciding -- presumably with my doctor's advice -- what risks I am willing to take for a given benefit, the government decides for me. If I don't agree with their risk/benefit analysis ... too bad. Bureaucrats in Washington who have never met me and never even looked at my medical records presume that they know better than my doctor and I what medicenes I should take. Even when they ultimately approve a drug, thousands of people die while they go through their long bureaucratic process, even though the medicene that would save their lives is sitting right there on the shelf.

    Etc.

    PseudoBovine:
    But hey, it'd be "voluntary", so that makes all the difference.


    Yes, it does. When I can decide what products and services I want to buy, I get the ones that suit me. When the government decides what I have to buy, or uses my taxes to buy products on my behalf, then their choices might match what I want or need, or they may not. In many cases I am forced to pay for products that I don't want. In some cases I may even be forced to pay for products that I find morally repugnant. Like Catholics are being forced to pay for birth control, vegetarians are forced to pay for subsidies to hamburger chains, etc.
  • jay 2012-12-21 13:20
    RE password length: I don't see the WTF here. Surely there must be SOME limit on password length for programming practicality, storage considerations, etc. Is there really a need to allow for passwords to be 10,000 characters long? If their limit is, say, 3 characters, okay, that's a little crazy. But I would think that 20 or so would be plenty.
  • jay 2012-12-21 13:24
    darkmattar:
    Ozz:
    Meep:

    Of course we're not proper communists. If we were true communists, unlike Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin who didn't butcher quite enough people to make it actually work, then we'd all be in a workers' paradise.
    They can't butcher the people due to the 2nd Amendment. Now, if only they could figure out a way to ban guns...


    Yea, your gun is what stops the government from killing you.
    Are gun people truly that delusional?


    Yeah! Because even though they weren't allowed to have guns, the people in Stalin's Soviet Union -- the example acutally given here -- certainly had nothing to fear from their own government!
  • C-Derb 2012-12-21 13:47
    PseudoBovine:

    Yes, you might pay 30% of your taxable income that exceeds $388,350 to the Government.

    FTFY.

    This is the part of the conversation that is being left out of the tax debate. We're not talking about income, we're talking about taxable income, or the amount of income after you've applied deductions (standard or itemized, you choose). After deductions for 2011, my taxable income was only about 52% of my gross income.

    Also, it is important to understand the concept of tax brackets. The highest tax bracket for 2012 is 35%. But that is only applied to the amount of taxable income above $388,350. For example, the first $8,700 (individual income bracket, married is different) is only taxed at 10%, for everyone.

    Lots of people think that if you have $500,000 in taxable income, you'd have to pay $175,000 in federal income tax, but you'd really pay $151,762 (~30%).
  • Coyne 2012-12-21 13:56
    ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL:
    ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL:
    Damn. I was only looking for 3.141592653589732 acres.
    ...897932, dammit. It can be hard to check stuff like that in the morning before your eyes wake up fully.


    Would you be interested in a property with 3.141592663587932 acres? Or would that extra 0.062714724 of a square inch put you off?
  • C-Derb 2012-12-21 14:08
    jay:
    So instead of me deciding -- presumably with my doctor's advice -- what risks I am willing to take for a given benefit, the government decides for me. If I don't agree with their risk/benefit analysis ... too bad. Bureaucrats in Washington who have never met me and never even looked at my medical records presume that they know better than my doctor and I what medicenes I should take.

    And what happens when unknown/unforeseen side effects adversely impact my quality of life? I will lawyer up and sue the hell out of someone, anyone. Because the one thing we have learned about capitalism is that I am responsible for my own success, but I'll be damned if I'm taking responsibility for my failure.
  • Ben 2012-12-21 14:17
    damnum:
    CAN YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY WITH YOUR COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM AND FREE MARKED AND TAXES BULLSHIT? THIS IS A CODING SITE. THANK YOU.


    Isn't it interesting how we get a liberal point of view shoved down our throats all day long on TV entertainment shows, talk shows, 'mainstream' news media, at the office-- and yes, even on "coding sites"-- but as soon as somebody voices an opposing view, the side of "diversity" is the first to shout it down.

    Captcha: ideo. Half an ideology, without the thinking
  • da Doctah 2012-12-21 14:26
    Papa Bear's password was too long, so next Goldilocks tried Mama Bear's password. But it was too short! She was about to try Baby Bear's password, but suddenly stopped and said to herself, "screw this, I'm going to go see what they've got in the liquor cabinet."
  • damnum 2012-12-21 15:19
    Ben:
    damnum:
    CAN YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY WITH YOUR COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM AND FREE MARKED AND TAXES BULLSHIT? THIS IS A CODING SITE. THANK YOU.


    Isn't it interesting how we get a liberal point of view shoved down our throats all day long on TV entertainment shows, talk shows, 'mainstream' news media, at the office-- and yes, even on "coding sites"-- but as soon as somebody voices an opposing view, the side of "diversity" is the first to shout it down.

    Captcha: ideo. Half an ideology, without the thinking


    I don't even know if you're being serious here.
  • C-Derb 2012-12-21 15:24
    Ben:
    damnum:
    CAN YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY WITH YOUR COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM AND FREE MARKED AND TAXES BULLSHIT? THIS IS A CODING SITE. THANK YOU.


    Isn't it interesting how we get a liberal point of view shoved down our throats all day long on TV entertainment shows, talk shows, 'mainstream' news media, at the office-- and yes, even on "coding sites"-- but as soon as somebody voices an opposing view, the side of "diversity" is the first to shout it down.

    Isn't it interesting that, depending on your point of view and the ideas you agree with, you will always see the opposing view as the one that is being "shoved down your throat"?

    Hooray for dialogue!!
  • EvilCodeMonkey 2012-12-21 15:36
    jay:
    RE password length: I don't see the WTF here. Surely there must be SOME limit on password length for programming practicality, storage considerations, etc. Is there really a need to allow for passwords to be 10,000 characters long? If their limit is, say, 3 characters, okay, that's a little crazy. But I would think that 20 or so would be plenty.


    If the password is stored as a hash then no matter how many characters they enter for a password it still ends up being about 20 characters or so for the hash. So having a length less than what a string variable can hold is really a security reducing decision these days.

    Having a max length implies that they are either a) storing the password in plain text or b) storing it using 2 way encryption, meaning that hackers just need to decrypt one password in the stolen database to get them all.
  • ahhhhh 2012-12-21 16:10
    "password too long" means they are probably storing it in plaintext and that you shouldn't use a good one anyway.
  • foo 2012-12-21 16:10
    darkmattar:
    Yea, your gun is what stops the government from killing you.
    Are gun people truly that delusional?
    Sure. The Newtown shooter wasn't killed by the government.
  • fjf 2012-12-21 16:23
    jay:
    PseudoBovine:
    Combine all the money you'd pay to access private roads,


    Actually I strongly suspect I'd pay zero in direct costs. The transaction cost to charge people a toll every time they got on a road would be very high, so that's an unlikely market plan. No, more likely if our roads were all privately run, the people who ran them would make their money by selling advertising space for billboards.

    I once read that when radio was first invented, people said that of course this would have to be run by the government because there would be no practical way to charge people to listen to the radio, as anyone who could buy or build a radio could listen in and how would you know? But then the problem was solved by charging advertisers rather than listeners.
    So you'd pay for the roads indirectly via the price of the products advertised (plus a profit margin for their producers, plus one for the advertisers plus one for the road owners). How is this better than direct payment (apart from the inconvenience of many micro payments, I'll give you that)?

    By the way, I find it remarkable that capitalists on the one hand often promote advertising in many forms (like you do here), while on the other hand their whole theory is based on the idea of perfectly rational consumers. When advertising's puspose is to sway customers's opinions, i.e. to make them make less rational choices, how do you reconciliate this discrepancy?
    In real life, if I buy a gallon of milk from Bob's Grocery Store I will presumably not discover until I'm sick that it is, in fact, contaminated. And then -- and here's the beauty of capitalism -- I don't buy from that grocery store any more or any other store since I'm dying.
    FTFY. Sure, water and chalk was a silly example, but many dangers are not readily apparent and much too expensive to test for each customer by themselves.

    Sure, you're gonna say, they'll find (or create) a privately run testing company that will test their food. But of course, this company is never susceptible to corruption because it's not the government, right?

    Monopolies only exist when the government passes laws to keep out competition. For example, the only reason why I have to buy my electricity from one specified power company is because the government has declared it illegal for anyone else to sell electricity in my area.
    BTW, contrary to what you may think, I don't support everything the government does. I strongly dislike artificial monopolies - and this includes patents.
  • Kasper 2012-12-21 16:28
    Buggz:
    foo:
    CommenFrist has expired.

    Funny thing is, "frist" means deadline in norwegian.
    That's not just Norwegian. It means the same in other Scandinavian languages.
  • fjf 2012-12-21 16:31
    C-Derb:
    Ben:
    damnum:
    CAN YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY WITH YOUR COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM AND FREE MARKED AND TAXES BULLSHIT? THIS IS A CODING SITE. THANK YOU.


    Isn't it interesting how we get a liberal point of view shoved down our throats all day long on TV entertainment shows, talk shows, 'mainstream' news media, at the office-- and yes, even on "coding sites"-- but as soon as somebody voices an opposing view, the side of "diversity" is the first to shout it down.

    Isn't it interesting that, depending on your point of view and the ideas you agree with, you will always see the opposing view as the one that is being "shoved down your throat"?

    Hooray for dialogue!!
    It's also interesting how he felt his side was being shouted down, when the OS (original shouter) targeted both sides the same. Selective reading, right? Just like with TV (or politics), everyone who's not 100% on his is is the enemy. OTOH, please keep doing that. Kick out the moderates in the Republican primaries and when you can't, put them down during the general campaign. It worked well this year, don't stop.

    (FWIW, as far as I understood the OS just wanted to get rid of politics at all and return to this site's usual content like "TRWTF is $LANGUAGE" and "Fixed the WTF code: $EVEN_MORE_BROKEN_EXAMPLE". And trolls, of course.)
  • CAPTCHA Test (Required For Anonymous Users) 2012-12-21 16:40
    Kasper:
    Buggz:
    foo:
    CommenFrist has expired.

    Funny thing is, "frist" means deadline in norwegian.
    That's not just Norwegian. It means the same in other Scandinavian languages.

    That's not just Scandinavian languages.
    It means the same in German.
  • neminem 2012-12-21 17:07
    jay:
    In real life, if I buy a gallon of milk from Bob's Grocery Store I will presumably discover the first time I try to drink it that it is, in fact, chalk and water. And then -- and here's the beauty of capitalism -- I don't buy from that grocery store any more. I go somewhere else that provides a decent product.


    Sadly, this only works if there is actually at least one place that *does* provide a decent product. (Right now, for instance, I have my choice of ISPs: either Verizon, which doesn't always work, doesn't care about you as a customer and wishes you would screw off already but keep paying them, and Charter, which costs a little more, but otherwise is basically the same. You want an ISP that cares if you're having a problem? Too bad, those don't exist anymore, Verizon and Charter pushed them all out.)

    The "your password is too long" thing *is* totally a wtf, but a much larger one than just that one site being dumb. I've seen *loads* of sites with arbitrary length restrictions on passwords, it always bugs the crap out of me. Why do people do that? It's pretty common.
  • Meep 2012-12-21 17:51
    darkmattar:
    Ozz:
    Meep:

    Of course we're not proper communists. If we were true communists, unlike Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin who didn't butcher quite enough people to make it actually work, then we'd all be in a workers' paradise.
    They can't butcher the people due to the 2nd Amendment. Now, if only they could figure out a way to ban guns...

    Yea, your gun is what stops the government from killing you.
    Are gun people truly that delusional?

    So, I've served in Iraq in a regular unit, and served in an opposing forces unit to train regular units, so I'm familiar with both insurgent tactics and counter-insurgent tactics.

    Any army that tried to occupy the US, to include the US Army, would lose decisively. And yes, it would be the gun nuts hiding in the woods picking off soldiers a few at a time, classic, bloody asymmetric warfare by attrition, that would do it. It took us ten years and thousands of casualties to bring Iraq and Afghanistan to an unclear resolution, and those assholes can hardly shoot straight.

    And it's not like being meaner would have made any difference, as the Soviets were utterly ruthless against Afghanistan and were routed even more decisively. We have only been successful in counter insurgency because we finally figured out how to get the local population on our side. So, no, the gun folks are absolutely right, and it appears you simply haven't been paying attention to the news for the past ten years.
  • ekolis 2012-12-21 17:56
    You don't want to overload the password field with a buffer overrun, do you?
  • Meep 2012-12-21 17:58
    C-Derb:
    Ben:
    damnum:
    CAN YOU ALL JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY WITH YOUR COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM AND FREE MARKED AND TAXES BULLSHIT? THIS IS A CODING SITE. THANK YOU.


    Isn't it interesting how we get a liberal point of view shoved down our throats all day long on TV entertainment shows, talk shows, 'mainstream' news media, at the office-- and yes, even on "coding sites"-- but as soon as somebody voices an opposing view, the side of "diversity" is the first to shout it down.

    Isn't it interesting that, depending on your point of view and the ideas you agree with, you will always see the opposing view as the one that is being "shoved down your throat"?

    It seems a bit Freudian. The thing with the media, though, is not that they force their views on anyone, but precisely the opposite. If anything, what's irritating about lefties is the pretense of being objective or scientific. There's nothing wrong with being a liberal, just put all your damned cards on the table instead of pretending that you have no agenda.
  • Meep 2012-12-21 18:10
    neminem:
    jay:
    In real life, if I buy a gallon of milk from Bob's Grocery Store I will presumably discover the first time I try to drink it that it is, in fact, chalk and water. And then -- and here's the beauty of capitalism -- I don't buy from that grocery store any more. I go somewhere else that provides a decent product.


    Sadly, this only works if there is actually at least one place that *does* provide a decent product. (Right now, for instance, I have my choice of ISPs: either Verizon, which doesn't always work, doesn't care about you as a customer and wishes you would screw off already but keep paying them, and Charter, which costs a little more, but otherwise is basically the same. You want an ISP that cares if you're having a problem? Too bad, those don't exist anymore, Verizon and Charter pushed them all out.)


    But economics isn't about a system that works. There is no such thing!

    Economics is the science of scarcity, that is, it observes how we allocate resources when there are not enough resources to meet demands. And there never are, that's a given.

    The market isn't failing because you can't find a product that you want at the price you want. There is no system that can guarantee that you always will. What a market tends to do is to restructure itself in such a way that shortages are minimized and growth is maximized, but that takes time and pain.

    The problem with demanding that the government come in and fix things is that the political system has little if any information as to what is important and what is really broken. People always think that corporations are buying off senators and whatnot, but in fact most corporate handouts and other perverse incentives are wildly popular because people simply have no clue what they're voting for.
  • Zecc 2012-12-21 18:52
    jay:
    RE password length: I don't see the WTF here. Surely there must be SOME limit on password length for programming practicality, storage considerations, etc. Is there really a need to allow for passwords to be 10,000 characters long? If their limit is, say, 3 characters, okay, that's a little crazy. But I would think that 20 or so would be plenty.
    NO, I should totally be able to submit a 144,14 Petabyte password!!

    Seriously though, while 20 characters should be enough for 99.9% of the users, it still is a rather small limit. Why can't I use, say, 'It was the best Of times, it was the Worst of times' as my password? Even 'correct horse battery staple' is 39 characters long.

    But most importantly, like people have mentioned already, the most probable cause of them imposing a hard limit on password length is they're doing it wrong.
  • Norman Diamond 2012-12-21 22:48
    Jack:
    eVil:
    Capitalist:
    ...this communist government...
    For very small values of communist, right?
    At combined tax rates approaching 50% (higher for some) we're halfway there. What are you spenders going to do when taxes exceed 100%? No one will be able to afford to work!
    Here's one:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/04/business/at-102-his-tax-rate-takes-the-cake-common-sense.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    That's just when the government obeys its laws. When the government violates its laws, things get worse.
  • Norman Diamond 2012-12-21 23:05
    Hantas:
    So, how much is 21,58,391?
    In the US it's 2,158,391. In China or Japan traditionally it was 215万8391 (or 二五万八三九一 or 二百十五万八千三百九十一, but anyway grouped four digits per group). I'm not competent to write Arabic so I'm not going to write it in actual Arabic, but I've seen numerals written there with no separators at all, sort of like 2158391, which no one in this forum would ever write.
  • Norman Diamond 2012-12-21 23:12
    The USB Seagate drive is probably counterfeit. Look at the serial number for one thing. The case might or might not contain a hard drive. The hard drive or other (e.g. flash memory) contained inside the case can be whatever size the counterfeiter had handy at the moment. The USB bridge chip was programmed to report whatever size the counterfeiter wanted it to report.

    I temporarily had a Western Digital drive and temporarily thought it was real. It was an actual hard drive, not a USB case with unknown contents. It came in a sealed plastic antistatic envelope, passed Smart testing, it reported the same serial number as printed on the label, I could write its full capacity and read it back, and it worked perfectly. But then I noticed hints that it was counterfeit. Western Digital confirmed that it was counterfeit. The seller agreed to a refund, though it took a while. After I knew what to look for, I recognized a few eBay auctions as being counterfeits too.
  • dp 2012-12-22 01:13
    Protip for person who provided the Time Machine error:

    When you photoshop dialog boxes, make sure you keep the digit grouping correct. In this case, it should be "2,158,391 items", not "21,58,391 items".

    Seriously, NO ONE at TDWTF caught that?
  • AndyCanfield 2012-12-22 01:42
    When I got internet access to my bank, I set a nine-character password. But the login prompt only accepts eight characters. I can change my password by logging in, which of course I can not do. I gave up. Years later I got a new account. That computer has a user who has never logged in. I wish to $#@! that they had told me my password was too long.
  • fjf 2012-12-22 06:40
    dp:
    Protip for person who provided the Time Machine error:

    When you photoshop dialog boxes, make sure you keep the digit grouping correct. In this case, it should be "2,158,391 items", not "21,58,391 items".

    Seriously, NO ONE at TDWTF caught that?
    Protip for the person who feels the need to give others their protips:

    When you think you found something mentionable, at least read a few other comments to find that dozens of others have done the same before.

    Seriously, NO ONE at TDWTF ever had this brillant idea?
  • Pi is exactly 3 2012-12-22 10:01
    If I wanted to read ill-thought out right-wing brain farts I'd go ALMOST ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE INTERNET.

    Shut it. Idiots.
  • Sylver 2012-12-22 11:51
    commoveo:
    Capitalist:
    $13000 taxes for a bag of Belly Flops. Better get used to it! Under this communist government this will be the new normal.


    You're under a fascist government. Learn some politics.

    You are right, it's an important distinction.

    Communism and fascism are at the opposite ends of the circle.

    "Fascism is man's exploitation by man. Communism is the opposite".
  • kupfernigk 2012-12-22 17:03
    In fact Fascism is a form of Government where politicians collude with businessmen , and Communism is a form of Government where politicians collude with the bureaucrats. In both cases they collude in ripping off ordinary people.
  • Catprog 2012-12-23 03:46
    fjf:
    Sure, water and chalk was a silly example, but many dangers are not readily apparent and much too expensive to test for each customer by themselves.


    Such as a petrol station selling a galleon of petrol as .99 galleons?
  • ollo 2012-12-23 07:26
    ...also in german...
  • ollo 2012-12-23 07:27
    Buggz:
    foo:
    CommenFrist has expired.

    Funny thing is, "frist" means deadline in norwegian.


    ...also in german...
  • gnasher729 2012-12-23 09:14
    jay:
    RE password length: I don't see the WTF here. Surely there must be SOME limit on password length for programming practicality, storage considerations, etc. Is there really a need to allow for passwords to be 10,000 characters long? If their limit is, say, 3 characters, okay, that's a little crazy. But I would think that 20 or so would be plenty.


    20 characters isn't really a lot. As an iPad user, where mixing letters, digits, upper and lowercase is painful, I like passwords made of three or four words that each on its own would be unsafe, but the combination is quite safe. And quite long.
  • fjf 2012-12-23 15:06
    Catprog:
    fjf:
    Sure, water and chalk was a silly example, but many dangers are not readily apparent and much too expensive to test for each customer by themselves.


    Such as a petrol station selling a galleon of petrol as .99 galleons?
    Maybe even that (in the long run, you lose quite something), but what I meant was more like contaminated milk. Which is, BTW, just what I wrote. Try reading next time.
  • Matt Westwood 2012-12-23 16:35
    ... so the real WTF is trying to buy Mike Oldfield tracks off the internet? Jeez, how sad ...

    OTOH TRTRWTF is recognising from the two visible tracks that these are Mike Oldfield tracks that are being displayed on the screen.
  • Quinnum 2012-12-23 21:21
    fjf:
    dp:
    Protip for person who provided the Time Machine error:

    When you photoshop dialog boxes, make sure you keep the digit grouping correct. In this case, it should be "2,158,391 items", not "21,58,391 items".

    Seriously, NO ONE at TDWTF caught that?
    Protip for the person who feels the need to give others their protips:

    When you think you found something mentionable, at least read a few other comments to find that dozens of others have done the same before.

    Seriously, NO ONE at TDWTF ever had this brillant idea?


    Indeed. In fact number separators used in India are exactly like this, and a quick googling reveals Vatsan appears to be an Indian name. But as we know many of our readers shoot from the hip without checking the facts first
  • Catprog 2012-12-24 07:39
    fjf:
    Catprog:
    fjf:
    Sure, water and chalk was a silly example, but many dangers are not readily apparent and much too expensive to test for each customer by themselves.


    Such as a petrol station selling a galleon of petrol as .99 galleons?
    Maybe even that (in the long run, you lose quite something), but what I meant was more like contaminated milk. Which is, BTW, just what I wrote. Try reading next time.


    I was adding another case to the milk case
  • CabbageStems 2012-12-24 08:17
    Left-wingers can do this, too.
    I, as a pro-gun leftist, learned this over the past week or so.
  • real_pi_patel 2012-12-24 14:33
    You are so not Pi Patel.
  • real_pi_patel 2012-12-24 14:38
    Valued Service:

    Seems like someone wants international socialism. Not only do we take from the rich to hand-out to the poor in our own country. We take from our rich to hand-out to the countries that can't manage their own people.

    The same people your ancestors fucked, robbed, looted or killed? Yes, that sounds like a real injustice to me.
  • IT Minion 2012-12-26 13:06
    ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL:
    Damn. I was only looking for 3.141592653589732 acres.


    That's a nice round size!
  • J-L 2012-12-27 14:45
    "Unused Plural Form" sounds like something Zippy the Pinhead would say.
  • KMag 2012-12-28 01:35
    jay:
    RE password length: I don't see the WTF here. Surely there must be SOME limit on password length for programming practicality, storage considerations, etc. Is there really a need to allow for passwords to be 10,000 characters long? If their limit is, say, 3 characters, okay, that's a little crazy. But I would think that 20 or so would be plenty.


    For the love of Gord, don't even think about writing code that comes anywhere near handling a password until you've read the Scrypt paper and understand it fully. You are the problem.

    Please report all of your previous employers to Plain Text Offenders.
  • daef 2012-12-30 03:18
    Buggz:
    foo:
    CommenFrist has expired.

    Funny thing is, "frist" means deadline in norwegian.


    in german too :-)
  • Neil 2013-01-02 12:50
    I've used a system that didn't complain about the length of the password, but the hashing function only looked at the first eight characters, so it really should have complained so as to avoid giving users a false sense of security.
  • Neil 2013-01-02 16:11
    jay:
    I once read that when radio was first invented, people said that of course this would have to be run by the government because there would be no practical way to charge people to listen to the radio, as anyone who could buy or build a radio could listen in and how would you know? But then the problem was solved by charging advertisers rather than listeners.
    I take it you've never heard of the BBC?
  • BushIdo 2013-01-07 06:12
    "In real life, if I buy a gallon of milk from Bob's Grocery Store I will presumably discover the first time I try to drink it that it is, in fact, chalk and water. And then -- and here's the beauty of capitalism -- I don't buy from that grocery store any more."

    Fine as far as it goes.

    "The Food & Drug Administration delays life-saving drugs from reaching the market, and increases the cost of those that do."

    Even if you are a pharmacologist, there might be some problem with testing medication on your own like you do with milk.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Oldham_Kelsey

    "presumably with my doctor's advice"

    Which you get for free by an absolutely desinterested doctor, because if the advice turns out to be bad, you won't visit the doctor those advice killed you again. That'll show him.

    "Bureaucrats in Washington"

    The one thing I don't get, is: why do all these enterprisey people not simple team up on one spot on earth so that they get absolute majority there and take over a state on their own which they can run according to their hearts desire with all Bureaucrats being eliminated. This should spare them all the time and effort spent to try to convince those pesky communists. This state will be an enormous success story, so all the world will follow it's example in no time at all. Problem solved 4e4.
  • sinni800 2013-01-14 15:43
    Buggz:
    foo:
    CommenFrist has expired.

    Funny thing is, "frist" means deadline in norwegian.


    So it does in German. Those languages all come from the same roots at some point.
  • Paul 2013-06-22 01:39
    There is still reason to impose a limit. Not something ridiculously low like 20 characters but low enough that you can't DOS the server hashing it. 4k seems reasonable to me, 32k if you want to be sure.