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I hate to be a grammar nazi, but... RINGED?! SERIOUSLY?!
How do companies like the last two even stay afloat as long as they do? I just don't get it, it's like you don't even have to try to get a company going, just having your marketing dept lie to enough people works... while companies started by techies who don't understand marketing almost always fail unless they can find someone to sell their services.
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I think I would get along with and Bob.
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We don't comment here.
The sad thing is.. that's not just a pithy remark.. my current employer drank the Agile Koolaid and thinks that comments shouldn't exist.
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I would comment, but it's just too windy right now.
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OK, has anyone ever done one of those interviews where you get a feeling right away that there is no way in hell I would ever want to work here, but you end up taking the job and liking it? If so, please tell us all about it.
Otherwise, when your instincts say run... run!
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Who would want to work in a DOOM level? Thousands of geeks that came of age in the mid-nineties, that's who!
The potential for the most awesome company spirit is there, including but not limited to weekly teambuilding laser-tag shoots right at Drink-o'clock.
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It's all fun and games until the Arch-Viles come.
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OOP is so overrated anyway:
http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
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I like OO because it makes me feel like god. """ Hello tiny little object, why don't you go enjoy yourself with the rest on the heap? If you don't be have, you'll end up null!! """
Imagine the powers we have!
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Even though the hardware is about a billion times faster, the software has made things slower. I spend a lot more time waiting on my computer than I used to.
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I once lost a job (long story) and decided to look in the newspaper just on the off chance I could find something awesome. I found a company with a really cool name and called to see if I could get an interview. The guy asked me to come over immediately if I could, so I did.
It was a house. I walked up to the door and it was slightly opened. I said "hello" and a deep voice boomed "come on in". I did, and followed the voice to a dirty, dark office. At a computer sat a rather large man who was almost naked, sitting on a chair covered with a towel.
He invited me to sit down on the chair across from him (also at a computer, but it was facing towards him instead), also covered with a towel. After I did, he volunteered that the towels are there because he and his wife frequently work naked.
I thanked him, left, went home, took a shower, and started a proper job search. No ... just kidding. I took the job on the condition I could work from home. It lasted about 11 days. Worst job I ever had.
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Seriously, I would have told Ray that "OOP is the underlying core technology to ASP.NET, and Phil is a primadonna idiot", and then walked out. Or something to that effect.
Even better if Phil is still in the room.
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Against my better judgment, I'm posting this:
I think you something there.Admin
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Oh, so you installed Vista, then?
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If they would let me have a chaingun, I would love to work in a DOOM level.
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Am I the only one who read the Doomed story and wondered who the hell Tim was? You have an introduction to a managing director, who during a tour, "Bob appeared". And then goes on to describing Tim, and Bob, with an interview that starts with small talk (neither of whom were proficient in)....
Could this story have gone through the "Re-write to make it a little more fluid, less dramatic but sounding better" machine?
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What did the wife look like? Sounds like the start of a letter to Penthouse Forum.
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Except for the fact that you would be working with Bob. I don't even know Bob and I have horrible visions of him print_r in the back of my head.
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The sad truth is that all it takes to run a business is to be a good bullshitter and have enough money to keep minor overhead - nothing else even remotely matters like having a good product, paying for good equipment or paying people a decent wage.
Seriously, you have no idea the number of small-time idiots I've seen that shouldn't stay in business yet do, and manage to turn a hefty profit despite cutting all kinds of corners and not even understanding WTF their business is.
I find it very ironic that scam artists stay in business and are successful while honest people routinely end up desperate for income.
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"evernwhere"? How can you make a typo like this?
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Maybe not quite on that level but...
After the dot com bubble burst I found myself unemployed and went back to school to get my masters while the job market improved.
About a year later I applied for a government job that seemed decidedly uninteresting but had the virtue of being located on campus and I figured it might just be a tolerable way of earning a some money while I finished my masters.
The interview didn't exactly start well as they were well behind schedule and I wound up waiting almost 45 minutes. I nearly left after 15 minutes but the HR person came out and to let me know it would be "just a little longer" ...
The interview was less an interview and more a presentation of their plans. I had no clear idea what I would be doing.
Still the salary was acceptable (barely) and the job was convenient and they were willing to make allowances so that I would be able to attend classes etc. So I took the job, figuring I'd finish my degree and be out of there in 18 months, 2 years tops. Its now been over 6 years and I'm not going anywhere.
It was partially luck. I got assigned to a very interesting project and wound up working on some very cool code. When that was over changes in management etc. led to a promotion to team leader (job interviews here are now ACTUAL job interviews) and I've enjoyed getting our IT infrastructure into tip top shape.
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An excerpt from that page that caught my eye:
I wonder if the author realizes that Smalltalk was among the first object oriented languages and comes much closer to being purely object oriented than any mainstream language in use today? Admittedly, the author makes no direct statements about the relationship between Smalltalk and OOP. The implication, though, is that Smalltalk had named parameters before OOP languages came around, incorrectly supposing that Smalltalk is not itself OO.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk
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(I'm not sayin', but I'm just sayin'!)
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Against my better judgement, I started reading the comments. Then, against my better judgement, I continued to read the comments. Now, against my better judgement, I am posting a comment. Finally, against my better judgement, I am going to do that lame CAPTCHA thing. Does the author of that story have good judement?
CAPTCHA: aliquam -- sounds latinny (too bad that was years ago)
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[quote user="ObiWayneKenobi"]The sad truth is that all it takes to run a business is to be a good bullshitter and have enough money to keep minor overhead - nothing else even remotely matters like having a good product, paying for good equipment or paying people a decent wage. quote]
Yeah? Try running a restaurant.
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A restaurant is a different story since yes, it requires a certain level of decency or it can be shut down due to health regulations, but haven't you ever seen Kitchen Nightmares? There are a lot of restauranteurs out there who have no idea how to run a restaurant, either.
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Sorry, but is that really OOP to blame? Can someone explain concisely why gaining focus and repainting is an OOP issue? I mean, any GUI based design still has to redraw the screen and grant focus. Why would the language being procedural help with that? I can understand that all the waste GUI's bring with them gets annoying, although I'll admit my typing's not fast enough for it to bother me. But surely you can just choose to turn off the GUI, and run everything through a text-based OS. You'd lose the added features, but if you're not using them... Am I just wondering why "Grandad's blaming his aching hip on the immigrants"?
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I remember when I was looking evernwhere for an interivew. Good job I met and Bob.
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I think the real question that needs asking in that situation is "If you're not using OOP, what architecture ARE you using?" I mean, I quite like the idea of Table-Orientated and can see a lot of uses for it at the back-end (although always remember, to the end-user THE GUI IS THE SYSTEM), but even well-written assembler normally includes the concept of grouping variables by sense and so on. Certainly, I can't imagine why you'd use an OOP framework and then try and program the OOP out of it. You've still got the gibberish "behind the scenes", but now you can't take advantage of it. A double-layer framework, as it were.
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Argh. QWERTY. Serves me right for using Dvorak.
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properly written and optimized OOP code is no slower or faster than properly written and optimized procedural code in the same language.
Bad code [windows] is just bad code.
PS: The core WinAPI is still proceedural, even if microsoft likes hiding it under OOP wrappers (MFC) and "managed code" [virtual machine] encumbered OOP wrappers (.Net) .
The increasing hardware demands of windows have to do with a) Inefficient design b) bug for bug legacy compatibility c) WinSxS [vista harddrive space vampire that also slows program loads.. but not appreciably on my vista machine] d) multimedia bloating apps [web browsers, etc] e) incompetent computer science/engineering education that focuses excessively on 'perfect world' processes and teaches in Java and never teaches on 'real world' processes and optimizations and performance considerations
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Not my story but my favorite Slashdot comment ever
http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=137983&cid=11542897
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I doubt it. That whole article smacks of "OOP languages suck. Well, okay, that technique makes sense, and obviously that one made life easier, but I don't like that C++ one that isn't really OOP".
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The Internet Rule probably also applies: That which has been seen, cannot be unseen.
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Or excessively hairy.
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I've always wanted to work at a place where the doors slide up.
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Well... not quite as bad as some that we've seen here, but I did have an interview in a pub (albeit a nice pub), with a man who'd spent the last 3 years developing his software at his dining room table. I'd been suggested the job by a friend, who had already been offered the job, but turned it down, preferring more stable employment with the local council.
The interview consisted of the founder of the company demo-ing his software to me, and listing his (pretty big name) clients.
I didn't have much to lose (at the time I was in my first 'development' job, which, in reality, consisted of going through ridiculous manual processes to release bugfixes, written by other people, to our customers, constantly), the guy seemed pretty intelligent, and the software seemed at least mostly sane, so I went for it. Thankfully, it was a great job, and worked out brilliantly for me, so it's not necessarily always best to run...
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So is table orientated software written on paper (possibly using a typewriter), placed on a suitable wooden table, photographed and then uploaded to the computer?
Skizz