• wtf? (unregistered)

    i wanted to be frist but i have a lot to learn about posting comments

  • moz (unregistered)

    It looks as though every slightly interesting angle on this story has already been covered in http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/Making-a-Difference.aspx.

  • Nick (unregistered)

    Strange how 'frist' is not blocked as spam but 'thrid' is. Oh well. Another go: thrid!

  • myName (unregistered)

    the real wtf is: why does that sound so familiar...

    ...mentors and their ivory towers...

    captcha: validus

  • Kryptus (unregistered)

    I've learned from my actual mentor the folowing things :

    • Foreign keys are "annoying" so they should be avoided

    • All the fields should be nullable (who knows?)

    • Primary keys are useless

    • Every single columns should be indexed

    • A CSV file is always the best place to put the data in.

    • File system is an excellent database

    • Excel is far better than any other bug tracking software

    And I still get a lot to learn from the real business world !

  • ME2 (unregistered)

    2012?! Hahaha.

    Around here we still use 1985, 2012 is nothing but trouble!

  • F (unregistered) in reply to ME2
    ME2:
    2012?! Hahaha.

    Around here we still use 1985, 2012 is nothing but trouble!

    It's "ha ha ho", out here in the business world. You certainly have a lot to learn.

  • Vilx- (unregistered) in reply to moz

    TRWTF

    moz:
    It looks as though every slightly interesting angle on this story has already been covered in http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/Making-a-Difference.aspx.

  • (cs) in reply to moz
  • (cs) in reply to moz
    moz:
    It looks as though every slightly interesting angle on this story has already been covered in http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/Making-a-Difference.aspx.

    Really?

    It's Labor Day here in the US, so we're taking the day off. So, here, enjoy a classic! Making a Difference was originally published on March 20, 2008.
  • (cs) in reply to Y_F
    Y_F:
    It's Labor Day here in the US, so we're taking the day off. So, here, enjoy a classic! Making a Difference was originally published on March 20, 2008.

    TRWTF! Labo(u)r day should be in the first week of May!

  • (cs)

    The real WTF is Labo(u)r Day. Paying your staff to not work for the day? I mean, what's that all about?

    Oh I understand, with most of the contributions to TDWTF being what they are, it would be better for some companies to specifically pay some of their staff never to come to work ever again ...

  • (cs)

    In the UK, Labour Day was 1 May 1997 when Tony Blair finally got into power ending 18 years of Tory rule..

  • (cs)

    Anyway, for the story itself, yes, welcome to a world where everything is business-driven.

    This always takes priority over "best" development practices and is something you have to bear.

    In my early days, I wanted to "fix" code because something was written one way and should have been written a different way, and wasn't given permission to change.

  • (cs)

    Kinda makes you wish for a sudden flood to wash away stuff that doesn't belong in ivoy towers, doesn't it? :)

  • Uncle Codeshare (unregistered)

    COBOL, COBOL, he writes so much. This man Gary has a magic touch. In his office, at end of row With flatscreen monitors all aglow. Ha ha he, Ha ha ho.

  • Joe B (unregistered) in reply to Cbuttius

    and if that place is so business-driven why want people with CS when they can just train on there own way with out college.

    But on the other side of stuff the (IT / desktop) site you have people in college who are clueless and you have the tech school people who have real skills that can be a reverse of this where they come in with bad ideas.

  • (cs) in reply to Joe B
    Joe B:
    and if that place is so business-driven why want people with CS when they can just train on there own way with out college.

    But on the other side of stuff the (IT / desktop) site you have people in college who are clueless and you have the tech school people who have real skills that can be a reverse of this where they come in with bad ideas.

    It's very typical of a company to want to employ the most expert staff then tell them to shut up when they try to use their expertise.

  • bluesman (unregistered) in reply to F
    F:
    ME2:
    2012?! Hahaha.

    Around here we still use 1985, 2012 is nothing but trouble!

    It's "ha ha ho", out here in the business world. You certainly have a lot to learn.

    I feel a new meme coming on.

  • Coward (unregistered) in reply to Cbuttius
    Cbuttius:
    Kinda makes you wish for a sudden flood to wash away stuff that doesn't belong in ivoy towers, doesn't it? :)

    A classic comment to go with a classic wtf...

  • Chris A (unregistered) in reply to Cbuttius
    Cbuttius:
    In the UK, Labour Day was 1 May 1997 when Tony Blair finally got into power ending 18 years of Tory rule..
    *cough*
  • Someone (unregistered)

    "taking the day off". Ha! As if you post every day otherwise.

  • Harrow (unregistered) in reply to QJo
    QJo:
    ...with most of the contributions to TDWTF being what they are, it would be better for some companies to specifically pay some of their staff never to come to work ever again.
    Shhh-hh! Please do not broadcast my secret method.

    I am currently collecting from three companies under this arrangement, and I am negotiating with a fourth.

    -Harrow.

  • John (unregistered) in reply to QJo
    QJo:
    The real WTF is Labo(u)r Day. Paying your staff to not work for the day? I mean, what's that all about?

    Oh I understand, with most of the contributions to TDWTF being what they are, it would be better for some companies to specifically pay some of their staff never to come to work ever again ...

    Perhaps more pertinently, paying your staff to work on a day that is all about workers....

  • John (unregistered) in reply to John
    John:
    QJo:
    The real WTF is Labo(u)r Day. Paying your staff to not work for the day? I mean, what's that all about?

    Oh I understand, with most of the contributions to TDWTF being what they are, it would be better for some companies to specifically pay some of their staff never to come to work ever again ...

    Perhaps more pertinently, paying your staff to work on a day that is all about workers....
    Or is it about babies being born?

  • (cs)

    So Chris didn't realize that this Gary guy is a complete douchebag until he was asked to write a script to create thousands of pages?

    Makes it sound as if Chris isn't the brightest bulb in the box, either...

  • Norman Diamond (unregistered)
    make its product URLs look like /Products /Kitchen/5-Level-Spice-Rack.aspx instead of /product.aspx? id=4412.
    Hey, if those URLs looked even more like URLs, Akismet would have rejected the article as spam. So the way to circumvent Akismet is to put spaces in the middle of URLS?
  • (cs) in reply to Norman Diamond
    Norman Diamond:
    make its product URLs look like /Products /Kitchen/5-Level-Spice-Rack.aspx instead of /product.aspx? id=4412.
    Hey, if those URLs looked even more like URLs, Akismet would have rejected the article as spam. So the way to circumvent Akismet is to put spaces in the middle of URLS?
    No. Make an account (or use mine, it was on Bugmenot, guess the password), post any comment, then edit the comment to have the text you want. That circumvents Akismet. http://buyviagraonlineone.com/ http://viagrashop24h.com/ http://ukviagrareview.com/ http://fewhere-can-i-buy-viagra-online.com/ See?
  • Herwig (unregistered) in reply to Kryptus
    Kryptus:
    I've learned from my actual mentor the folowing things :

    • Foreign keys are "annoying" so they should be avoided

    • All the fields should be nullable (who knows?)

    • Primary keys are useless

    • Every single columns should be indexed

    • A CSV file is always the best place to put the data in.

    • File system is an excellent database

    • Excel is far better than any other bug tracking software

    And I still get a lot to learn from the real business world !

    • Installing Service Packs is dangerous
    • Pointers & Refeferences also belong to the ivory tower
    • Patterns are no solution. Never.
    • SVN = WTF
    • Of course we reuse code - Just copy this class and change its name!
    • It is very important to add a comment on each closing bracket of an if-statement. Otherwise you would be confused in line 4276

    ... TBC ...

  • Aufgehaben (unregistered) in reply to Uncle Codeshare
    Uncle Codeshare:
    COBOL, COBOL, he writes so much. This man Gary has a magic touch. In his office, at end of row With flatscreen monitors all aglow. Ha ha he, Ha ha ho.

    Flatscreen monitors belong in an ivory tower. We use CRT.

  • (cs) in reply to Cbuttius
    Cbuttius:
    Kinda makes you wish for a sudden flood to wash away stuff that doesn't belong in ivory towers, doesn't it? :)
    Hang on, I get it. The real WTF is ivory towers, am I correct? How many elephants do you need to de-tusk in order to build one tower out of ivory? That's why no more universities are being built, it's because the ivory trade is now illegal.

    Oh I get it, the architects of universities pay the tooth-fairy for the building materials. Terry Pratchett was wrong.

  • Neil (unregistered) in reply to John
    John:
    John:
    QJo:
    The real WTF is Labo(u)r Day. Paying your staff to not work for the day? I mean, what's that all about?

    Oh I understand, with most of the contributions to TDWTF being what they are, it would be better for some companies to specifically pay some of their staff never to come to work ever again ...

    Perhaps more pertinently, paying your staff to work on a day that is all about workers....
    Or is it about babies being born?
    Statistics of US births show highs and lows as medical teams try to avoid working on various holidays, so probably not.

  • JJ (unregistered) in reply to moz
    moz:
    It looks as though every slightly interesting angle on this story has already been covered in http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/Making-a-Difference.aspx.
    Damn, but the grammar argument in that thread made me want to cry. Just about every person correcting someone else did it wrong.
  • Friedrice the Great (unregistered) in reply to Cbuttius
    Cbuttius:
    Joe B:
    and if that place is so business-driven why want people with CS when they can just train on there own way with out college.

    But on the other side of stuff the (IT / desktop) site you have people in college who are clueless and you have the tech school people who have real skills that can be a reverse of this where they come in with bad ideas.

    It's very typical of a company to want to employ the most expert staff then tell them to shut up when they try to use their expertise.

    We're constantly told to "think outside the box" but we're only allowed to use the tools that are in the box ...

  • (cs) in reply to JJ
    JJ:
    moz:
    It looks as though every slightly interesting angle on this story has already been covered in http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/Making-a-Difference.aspx.
    Damn, but the grammar argument in that thread made me want to cry. Just about every person correcting someone else did it wrongly.
    FTFY <EG>
  • Pero Perić (unregistered) in reply to Silverhill
    The Article:
    ...And if we ever need to change the layout, we just regenerate all the products at once...

    Gary was also good to avoid ASPX master pages because server would have to process extra page per request and that would slow it down. You should always inline your templates.

  • Anonymous Coder (unregistered) in reply to Herwig

    "Code reusal through copy-paste" is what I've been given as an advice recently. Here's another one - "keep the code to a minimum - too much code increases the likelyhood of an application crash !"

  • (cs) in reply to Chris A
    Cbuttius:
    In the UK, Labour Day was 1 May 1997 when Tony Blair finally got into power ending 18 years of Tory rule..
    Fucking hilarious.
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