• Gizz (unregistered)

    I quite like Inverness.

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to Gizz

    You are the frist person to say so

  • Terrla (unregistered)

    I've got a witty post, but I'm going to hold off with it until I perfect it, probably about seven years. I'm looking for readers who are truly committed to TDWTF.

  • drake (unregistered)

    A manager with a seven year vision? I'm going to have nightmares about that one...

  • Connie (unregistered)

    But I've been a contractor for seven years! For the same employer -- myself.

  • (cs)

    Usually, it's the other way around. You know, they want a contractor that has spent 20 years at one company to show consistency, but are only willing to offer a 3 month contract...

  • Harry (unregistered)

    As a hiring manager myself, I have to inform you young whippersnappers this is how it's done. For example, we're currently looking for someone with 8 years experience supporting Windows 8, so we can be confident they will support it here for the next 8 years.

    (Beware of the day I find the "infinity" symbol on my keyboard.)

    Oh, and to reciprocate, our commitment to you is on the scale of approximately 8 hours.

  • ZoomST (unregistered) in reply to Terrla
    Terrla:
    I've got a witty post, but I'm going to hold off with it until I perfect it, probably about seven years. I'm looking for readers who are truly committed to TDWTF.
    You are a TDWTF commenter? You see, that's going to be a problem.
  • To ∞ and Beyond! (unregistered) in reply to Harry

    (Beware of the day I find the "infinity" symbol on my keyboard.)

    ∞ = alt + 236 (on the numpad)... took me ∞ to figure it out myself...

  • Mike (unregistered) in reply to drake
    drake:
    A manager with a seven year vision? I'm going to have nightmares about that one...

    Ours has an 11 year one. We are 4 years in, nothing has happened.

  • (cs) in reply to Terrla
    Terrla:
    I've got a witty post, but I'm going to hold off with it until I perfect it, probably about seven years. I'm looking for readers who are truly committed to TDWTF.

    I'll maintain the Genders table.

  • (cs) in reply to To ∞ and Beyond!
    To ∞ and Beyond!:
    (Beware of the day I find the "infinity" symbol on my keyboard.)

    ∞ = alt + 236 (on the numpad)... took me ∞ to figure it out myself...

    Option-5 on Mac:

    [image]
  • Dave (unregistered)

    So... excuse my ignorance, but I would think that 'IT Manager' would normally be a fairly permanent role, you know, for someone who has long term goals for the IT department of a company.

    I fail to see the WTF here, unless it's that this Donnla guy was a contractor applying for a permanent role.

  • (cs) in reply to Dave
    Dave:
    I fail to see the WTF here, unless it's that this Donnla guy was a contractor applying for a permanent role.
    How about: the ideal candidate for the role would be someone who's so committed to their current job that they didn't see the advert for the job in Inverness, and certainly wouldn't consider applying for it?
  • Foo Bar (unregistered) in reply to Dave

    Two WTFs here:

    1: The Seven Year Plan®

    2: The Groucho Marx Paradox: "I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member". Anyone who has stuck with a single job that long will keep on sticking right where they are, and thus would not be applying for a new job in Inverness.

  • Dave (unregistered) in reply to pjt33
    pjt33:
    Dave:
    I fail to see the WTF here, unless it's that this Donnla guy was a contractor applying for a permanent role.
    How about: the ideal candidate for the role would be someone who's so committed to their current job that they didn't see the advert for the job in Inverness, and certainly wouldn't consider applying for it?

    OK, fair point, I think that got caught in my TDWTF elaboration filter, but if it's for real, then yeah, OK. Although I still don't really understand why a contractor would be applying for an IT Manager role.

  • heh (unregistered) in reply to Foo Bar

    not sure what the problem with plan is but then again i am not in software dev.

    1. many people here have steady jobs as permanent employment (unlimited contract) is normal. many work 40 or more years in same company. there are some applying for other jobs out there even later on. some get it and go out (change job)some don't. one would think people would be happy (especially in these times) to get at least 7 year commitment from the company. but i guess the person mentioned here could make more money as contactor and it seems that new business is easy to find for him.
  • sarcasticbastard (unregistered) in reply to Terrla

    I'll be waiting.

  • (cs) in reply to Harry
    Harry:
    we're currently looking for someone with 8 years experience supporting Windows 8.

    Good luck with that.

    And I don't see a WTF in this. Both guys were sincere and apart of the uncommon location, what's wrong with working in the same place, in the same position after 7 or more years? In public positions it's very normal to spend this amount of years without any movement.

  • Harry (unregistered) in reply to To ∞ and Beyond!
    To ∞ and Beyond!:
    (Beware of the day I find the "infinity" symbol on my keyboard.)

    ∞ = alt + 236 (on the numpad)... took me ∞ to figure it out myself...

    I told you I'm a manager. So you lost my attention at "alt".

    Windows ∞ though... has a nice ring to it...

    (Even managers can copy and paste. Hoo boy, can we ever!)

  • Matt (unregistered) in reply to Mike
    Mike:
    drake:
    A manager with a seven year vision? I'm going to have nightmares about that one...

    Ours has an 11 year one. We are 4 years in, nothing has happened.

    So, another 6 years at least before you have to worry about starting to show progress.

    Oh, and every manager knows, when the unfulfilled promises start to stack up, reorganize! Rinse and repeat! You're golden for 35 years at this rate.

    Far more fear the place that has an 18 month plan. Those are harder to submarine. Long term anyhow.

  • (cs) in reply to Harry
    Harry:
    To ∞ and Beyond!:
    (Beware of the day I find the "infinity" symbol on my keyboard.)

    ∞ = alt + 236 (on the numpad)... took me ∞ to figure it out myself...

    I told you I'm a manager. So you lost my attention at "alt".

    Windows ∞ though... has a nice ring to it...

    (Even managers can copy and paste. Hoo boy, can we ever!)

    Hey... your 8 fell over, WTF?

  • Lee (unregistered)

    So you're looking for someone who keeps his job as long as possible, and is currently looking for a new job.

    Right.

  • Anonymoose (unregistered) in reply to Terrla
    I've got a witty post, but I'm going to hold off with it until I perfect it, probably about seven years. I'm looking for readers who are truly committed to TDWTF.
    I've set a reminder in my calendar for February 27th, 2021. If I come back and I don't see this comment, I am going to be very disappointed.
  • eVil (unregistered) in reply to Anonymoose
    Anonymoose:
    I've got a witty post, but I'm going to hold off with it until I perfect it, probably about seven years. I'm looking for readers who are truly committed to TDWTF.
    I've set a reminder in my calendar for February 27th, 2021. If I come back and I don't see this comment, I am going to be very disappointed.

    I have also set a reminder, so I can come back I and ensure you returned to be disappointed (or possibly, pleasantly surprised).

  • Terrla (unregistered) in reply to Anonymoose
    Anonymoose:
    I've got a witty post, but I'm going to hold off with it until I perfect it, probably about seven years. I'm looking for readers who are truly committed to TDWTF.
    I've set a reminder in my calendar for February 27th, 2021. If I come back and I don't see this comment, I am going to be very disappointed.
    BTFY, Sheldon Spock.
  • Jessica (unregistered)

    I've always found it a bit of a WTF that recruiters who call me are only looking for people who can start immediately. They basically only want people who are either currently unemployed, or willing to leave their current job with no notice.

    Shouldn't the fact that a candidate has a job and wants to ensure they give their current employer proper notice be a better sign than someone who will cut-and-run with no notice or hasn't kept their job for whatever reason?

  • TheSHEEEP (unregistered) in reply to Jessica
    Jessica:
    Shouldn't the fact that a candidate has a job and wants to ensure they give their current employer proper notice be a better sign than someone who will cut-and-run with no notice or hasn't kept their job for whatever reason?
    You do not have the mindset of a recruiter, then?
  • McKay (unregistered) in reply to Terrla
    Terrla:
    I've got a witty post, but I'm going to hold off with it until I perfect it, probably about seven years. I'm looking for readers who are truly committed to TDWTF.

    I look forward to returning here in 7 years to hear your comment.

  • (cs)

    From the manager's eHarmony profile: "Looking for someone who can commit long term. Must be in a long term relationship to prove that you aren't the sort of person who would just leave someone. I want you to leave them for me."

  • McKay (unregistered) in reply to Terrla
    Terrla:
    Anonymoose:
    I've got a witty post, but I'm going to hold off with it until I perfect it, probably about seven years. I'm looking for readers who are truly committed to TDWTF.
    I've set a reminder in my calendar for February 27th, 2021. If I come back and I don't see this comment, I am going to be very disappointed.
    BTFY, Sheldon Spock.

    That's why he's waiting 8 years.

  • Yanman (unregistered)

    Isn't Donnla a female name?

    captcha: genitus HAH!

  • Some Damn Yank (unregistered) in reply to Dave
    Dave:
    I still don't really understand why a contractor would be applying for an IT Manager role.
    To take over the world? When I worked for Pacific Northwest Aerospace Company I once had a job where half of us programmers were from the company's internal IT division - internal contractors, if you will. Our second-level manager was also from the internal contractor division, something I had not encountered before or since. A few months into the job we were all called in for a group meeting to unveil the new org chart, where we learned the contractor manager had surplussed the internal programmers and replaced us all with - surprise! - contractor division programmers.
  • Some Damn Yank (unregistered) in reply to ubersoldat
    ubersoldat:
    Harry:
    we're currently looking for someone with 8 years experience supporting Windows 8.
    Good luck with that.

    And I don't see a WTF in this. Both guys were sincere and apart of the uncommon location, what's wrong with working in the same place, in the same position after 7 or more years? In public positions it's very normal to spend this amount of years without any movement.

    I'd love a stable job like that, as long as pay kept pace with inflation plus a performance bonus of some sort, like profit sharing or stock options or something.

  • Tom (unregistered) in reply to Anonymoose
    Anonymoose:
    I've got a witty post, but I'm going to hold off with it until I perfect it, probably about seven years. I'm looking for readers who are truly committed to TDWTF.
    I've set a reminder in my calendar for February 27th, 2021. If I come back and I don't see this comment, I am going to be very disappointed.
    10 PRINT 2013+7
20 END
    OK so it isn't object oriented. Nor is it enterpriseyish: no XML.

    But still.

    Was that so hard?

    So yeah, in short, I think you're going to be very disappointed.

  • (cs)

    Not mentioned-- the manager's habit of stomping around screaming "IT'S RAW!"

  • (cs) in reply to To ∞ and Beyond!
    To ∞ and Beyond!:
    (Beware of the day I find the "infinity" symbol on my keyboard.)

    ∞ = alt + 236 (on the numpad)... took me ∞ to figure it out myself...

    Somebody's waaayyyyy too concrete a thinker here.

  • (cs)

    Job stability is nice to have.

  • Harrow (unregistered)

    "You see, Donnla, I have a seven-year plan..."

    Would that be seven calendar years or seven Inverness years? Because seven years in Inverness is like fifty-six years in, say, Edinburgh or London.

    -Harrow.

  • Sociopath (unregistered) in reply to Jessica
    Jessica:
    Shouldn't the fact that a candidate has a job and wants to ensure they give their current employer proper notice be a better sign than someone who will cut-and-run with no notice or hasn't kept their job for whatever reason?
    Can your employer terminate your job with no notice to you? If so, why feel obligated when your positions are reversed?
  • (cs)

    WTF is a "Donnla"?

  • Morry (unregistered)

    Reminds me of my time at one company. A Senior manager came in and told us straight up that preference would be given to "family" oriented employees, as they tend to stay at the company longer.

    The logic is sound, but I was a little shocked they told us.

  • Calli Arcale (unregistered) in reply to chubertdev

    A Scot, obviously. ;-)

  • Calli Arcale (unregistered) in reply to Calli Arcale
    Calli Arcale:
    A Scot, obviously. ;-)

    Um, this was in reply to the user asking WTF a Donnla was. Someday I will remember the difference between "reply" and "quote".

  • anony123 (unregistered)

    There is no real WTF here. It is expensive to find and hire people, and then pay them for several months as they get up to speed. It is completely reasonable to search for people who plan to stay around. Yes, there is a place for people who job hop or contract - short-term, one-off projects are made for them. But many large projects would simply fail with a work-force that didn't stick around to finish the job. The interviewee had absolutely no intention of seeing the project through, and the interviewer spotted that. Great - disaster averted. So what is the WTF?

    Granted, 7 years is a very long commitment, and it is unrealistic to expect to find someone who can honestly make that commitment, but to weed out people with a very short term mindset is completely realistic.

  • (cs) in reply to Yanman
    Yanman:
    Isn't Donnla a female name?

    captcha: genitus HAH!

    No. That's an IKEA table.

  • (cs) in reply to anony123
    anony123:
    There is no real WTF here. It is expensive to find and hire people, and then pay them for several months as they get up to speed. It is completely reasonable to search for people who plan to stay around. Yes, there is a place for people who job hop or contract - short-term, one-off projects are made for them. But many large projects would simply fail with a work-force that didn't stick around to finish the job. The interviewee had absolutely no intention of seeing the project through, and the interviewer spotted that. Great - disaster averted. So what is the WTF?

    Granted, 7 years is a very long commitment, and it is unrealistic to expect to find someone who can honestly make that commitment, but to weed out people with a very short term mindset is completely realistic.

    The best incentive to get someone to stay on for that long is money. I can't tell you how many times I've seen an employer looking for commitment, but doing absolutely nothing to reciprocate. If you want the architect of your dream project to stay on, you have to give them more than a three percent annual raise on top of their miserable salary.

  • (cs) in reply to chubertdev
    chubertdev:
    WTF is a "Donnla"?
    It's a kind of kebab.
  • Mike (unregistered)

    Do you really want to hire someone that was content to work in the exact same job as the one you are hiring for for at least the past 10 years? There are exceptions but generally good people want to do different things more responsibility etc so what you are likely to get is someone who's competence ended at the role you are hiring for and has no motivation to work on the "bigger picture".

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Sociopath
    Sociopath:
    Jessica:
    Shouldn't the fact that a candidate has a job and wants to ensure they give their current employer proper notice be a better sign than someone who will cut-and-run with no notice or hasn't kept their job for whatever reason?
    Can your employer terminate your job with no notice to you? If so, why feel obligated when your positions are reversed?
    For my part, I only gave notice at my last job because a good 90% of the next release was code I wrote. I would have loved two weeks off between jobs, though.

    (also that notice pushed my last day into November, so that my old job's insurance would last until my new job's insurance kicked in)

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