• Zacrath (disco)

    YES! Another Radio WTF. I'm so glad.

  • Maciejasjmj (disco)
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  • accalia (disco) in reply to Maciejasjmj

    ”Smart Quotes“ FTL

    Filed under: Why yes, they are backwards in this post. well spotted.

  • Luhmann (disco)

    Thought about downloading for later listening ... maybe not ...

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    It is uninclused? Oh well Googly will tell ...

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    Or not ...

    Maybe GIS can shed some light ...

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    Or not ...

  • Maciejasjmj (disco) in reply to Luhmann
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  • Luhmann (disco) in reply to Maciejasjmj
    Maciejasjmj:
    Just fix your links:

    It's not my link that is broken thank you very much.

  • VinDuv (disco) in reply to Luhmann
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  • Lorne_Kates (disco)

    Links fixed. There was one Smart Quote. Have no idea where it came from. I wrote the HTML in Notepad. Imma just going to blame Discourse (somehow).

  • mikeTheLiar (disco)

    Lorne is back!

  • Steve_The_Cynic (disco)
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  • Steve_The_Cynic (disco)

    Oh, yes, and I hope that if it is really a transcript, the transcription quality is better than last year's so-called effort.

  • Lorne_Kates (disco)

    Hey everyone! It's Steve!

  • Remy (disco) in reply to Luhmann

    The broken download is fixed.

  • DocMonster (disco)

    Hilarious. The goal of support isn't to solve the problem, just get the customer off the phone. Christ...

    Also, Windows 96.5. lel And the asshole sales guy who sells bullshit. What a shock.

    Also, eMachines and/or Gateway?

  • presidentsdaughter (disco)

    Leif or Lyfe???

  • Dragnslcr (disco) in reply to DocMonster
    DocMonster:
    Also, eMachines and/or Gateway?

    Looks like it. My first thought was that IPC was Gateway, but I checked Wikipedia, and it was Gateway that bought eMachines.

  • Lorne_Kates (disco) in reply to presidentsdaughter
    presidentsdaughter:
    Leif or Lyfe???

    The submitter's name is Lyfe, but that didn't sound good in audio, repeated over and over. So I changed it to Leif.

  • DocMonster (disco) in reply to Dragnslcr
    Dragnslcr:
    Looks like it. My first thought was that IPC was Gateway, but I checked Wikipedia, and it was Gateway that bought eMachines.

    And then went out of business themselves ;)

  • ben_lubar (disco) in reply to DocMonster

    Spoilers, man!

  • Lorne_Kates (disco)
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  • operagost (disco)

    TRWTF is Daryl not acknowledging that if someone hits a dead end in the script, he needs to improve his script. I mean, people calling for support on other companies' computers is obvious. You should also expect them to call about TVs, lawnmowers, sexual fetishes, and buttock rashes.

  • anotherusername (disco) in reply to operagost

    Yeah, the need for the script to quickly end those calls should be obvious even to him.

  • ben_lubar (disco) in reply to operagost

    Changing the script would cost money. We can't change the script! It would cut down on the quantity of your job experience!

  • Onyx (disco) in reply to Lorne_Kates
    Lorne_Kates:
    I wrote the HTML in Notepad.

    :wtf:

    Steve_The_Cynic:
    not everyone has access to working sound hardware that's supported by the installed OS. (There are reasons why I don't have such a thing. Those reasons aren't even remotely valid, and aren't even my fault either, but they are reasons.)

    Linux hardware?

  • tarunik (disco) in reply to Steve_The_Cynic
    Steve_The_Cynic:
    even now in 2015, not everyone has access to working sound hardware that's supported by the installed OS

    I spent a period of time in that position on one of my boxes, but that was because I hadn't bothered to plug in speakers, headphones, or a headset :P

    Steve_The_Cynic:
    There are reasons why I don't have such a thing. Those reasons aren't even remotely valid, and aren't even my fault either, but they are reasons.
    You have piqued my curiosity...
  • Lorne_Kates (disco) in reply to Onyx
    Onyx:
    Lorne:
    I wrote the HTML in Notepad.
    :wtf:

    I should say I pasted it into Notepad specifically to kill off any special characters. It seems Notepad is learning. Getting smarter.

  • RaceProUK (disco) in reply to Lorne_Kates

    Notepad has full Unicode support nowadays ;)

  • Onyx (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    Notepad has full Unicode support nowadays ;)

    Great! Can it fucking learn how to do *NIX newlines as well now?

  • Yamikuronue (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    nowadays

    You can :heart: the app you're using You can use the app you :heart:
    You can even use Unicode inside of Notepad now And that's good, isn't it? Grand, isn't it? Great, isn't it? Swell, isn't it? Fun, isn't it? Nowadays.

  • blakeyrat (disco) in reply to Onyx
    Onyx:
    Great! Can it fucking learn how to do *NIX newlines as well now?

    The entire purpose of the app is to be a backwards-compatible text file viewer for DOS text files. So learning "how to do *NIX newlines" would kind of break it for its intended use.

    People actually using it for editing files is the real WTF here. Even Windows 95 had WordPad for that.

  • Shoreline (disco)

    I like the 3 distinct themes:

    • Customer is not always right
    • Overselling
    • Knowing when to quit

    Good work guys. I found it to be not uninclused.

  • Remy (disco) in reply to blakeyrat

    WordPad was terrible. The only thing worse than a word processor is a bad word processor. Give me plain text, or give me death!

  • blakeyrat (disco) in reply to Remy

    I'm sure that's exactly what Patrick Henry was referring to.

  • Shoreline (disco) in reply to Remy

    All those WYSIWYG programs bug me somewhat. I much prefer HTML, plain text, or I'll even put up with markdown. None of those is incompatible with my minimalist-windows policy.

  • HardwareGeek (disco) in reply to blakeyrat
    blakeyrat:
    The entire purpose of the app is to be a backwards-compatible text file viewer for DOS text files. So learning "how to do *NIX newlines" would kind of break it for its intended use.

    Not really. Just treat either \r\n or \n as a newline. Heck, you could even recognize \n\r, just in case some old Mac wienie mailed you a text file. It is possible to recognize all the line endings and do the right thing; other editors do.

  • ben_lubar (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek

    Even if it did what typewriters did with newlines that didn't have carriage returns (go down a line but not to the left) it would be better than the current state of "display rectangle, continue current line".

  • Onyx (disco) in reply to blakeyrat
    blakeyrat:
    WordPad

    Is not the editor that opens when I click a .txt file, Notepad is. And all I, as the user, see is broken if the file was written on any other modern OS.

  • tarunik (disco) in reply to Onyx
    Onyx:
    blakeyrat:
    WordPad

    Is not the editor that opens when I click a .txt file, Notepad is. And all I, as the user, see is broken if the file was written on any other modern OS.

    Besides, WordPad can break in strange ways that Notepad (aka the Windows edit control) can't...mega-long lines and files come to mind.
  • blakeyrat (disco) in reply to tarunik

    HEY MORE PEOPLE TELL ME HOW GREAT NOTEPAD IS PLEASE!

    I really care.

  • RaceProUK (disco) in reply to blakeyrat

    It's awesome! It's like this thing you can type words into! And then you can save those words to read again later! :stuck_out_tongue:

  • Remy (disco) in reply to Shoreline

    The weakness of Markdown is the lack of a formal specification. Its advantage is that it's a very natural format. It's the only one of those non-markup-but-actually-it's-markup languages that doesn't make me want to stab a pen with a spoon taped to it into my eye.

    I'm looking at you, Wiki markup. And don't look so smug Restructured text.

  • Onyx (disco) in reply to Remy
    Remy:
    Its advantage is that it's a very natural format.

    Underlined text wants a word with you. Something about intuitiveness and long-established unwritten standards of text-only communication on the Internet?

    I also hear /italic/ complaining in the background but I have no idea what it wants...


    Filed under: I'll save you clicking the "Raw" button: _Underlined_ text wants a word with you...

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  • blakeyrat (disco) in reply to Remy
    Remy:
    Its advantage is that it's a very natural format.

    Hahahah whaaa?

    Italics is surround the word in asterisks? That's "natural"? Says who? Italics is-- Onyx beat me to these-- has always been /italics/

    And how do you do bold? Asterisks, like always? No, DOUBLE asterisks! Of course. You've never seen one before in your life, but that's the "natural" way of doing it in Markdown!

    underline using underscores makes the text italics. How "natural!" (How do you even do underline in markdown? Note there's a toolbar button for horizontal rule, something almost nobody uses ever, and none for underline.)

    In the meantime, "natural" conventions like the one I used in the first paragraph (using double-dash to represent an en-dash)? Nope, Markdown doesn't do that. (How do you type an en-dash in Markdown? Do you just have to memorize the character code and use the numpad trick?) Three periods to represent an ellipsis? ... nope, not that either. It just fucking draws three periods.

    Anybody who says Markdown is "natural" is a crazy-person.

  • Onyx (disco)
    blakeyrat:
    In the meantime, "natural" conventions like the one I used in the first paragraph (using double-dash to represent an en-dash)? Nope, Markdown doesn't do that. (How do you type an en-dash in Markdown? Do you just have to memorize the character code and use the numpad trick?) Three periods to represent an ellipsis? ... nope, not that either. It just fucking draws three periods.

    Eh, I can kinda live with these. But triple dash is complete bullshit:

    This is a headline
    ---
    
    And this is normal text with a horizontal ruler below it
    
    ---
    

    And now I'll stop talking about Markdown because I think the point has been made. It's servicable, cringeworthy and annoying, but it works. Kinda. When it feels like it.

    But it's in no way natural nor intuitive, sorry.

  • blakeyrat (disco) in reply to Onyx
    Onyx:
    But it's in no way natural nor intuitive, sorry.

    It's so UNintuitive that it's mind-boggling when someone comes along and claims it is.

    Where the FUCK did you ("you" being Remy) go on the web, computers, email, ANYWHERE, where people typed **bold text** to make text bold and _italics_ to make it italicized? Is there like some weird parallel universe where all typographical conventions are opposites?

    EDIT: oh and BTW? Apparently there's no underline in Markdown at all. Welcome to BBCode!

  • ben_lubar (disco) in reply to Remy

    Why don't we just type everything in 4.7548875-bit ASCII with lojban syntax? We can even cut it down to 4.70043972-bit ASCII if we skip newlines, with the added bonus of not having to worry about notepad.exe compatibility.

  • Lorne_Kates (disco)

    The best part about doing this episode was that I now have a comment section I can link to the next time Blakeyrat complains about people going off-topic in his thread. Win.

  • Lorne_Kates (disco)

    DOS> copy wordpad.exe notepad.exe

    Problem fucking solved.

  • Shoreline (disco) in reply to Remy
    Remy:
    Its advantage is that it's a very natural format.

    I can't say I've found it to be particularly intuitive, but it's less verbose than HTML for doing simple document things.

  • apapadimoulis (disco) in reply to blakeyrat
    blakeyrat:
    Italics is surround the word in asterisks? That's "natural"? Says who? Italics is-- Onyx beat me to these-- has always been /italics/

    But don't you see, that's just the beauty of Markdown!

    Maybe in Blakey-flavoured Markdown, /italics/ will work the way you want it. The *italics* is just a "convention" that some flavours happen to implement.

    This way, everyone wins, and there's no authoritarian standards committee to dictate how you want to use it.

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