• (disco)

    I don't get the Star Chart one…

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK

    It says "frist"

  • (disco) in reply to Yamikuronue

    *looks again*

    Oh.

    Sorry; after reading so many of @accalia's @accalia­s, I'm almost immune to spotting them :laughing:

  • (disco)

    I find that Samsung one enlightening…

  • (disco) in reply to dkf

    TRWTF is "Blue-Ray".

  • (disco) in reply to aliceif
    aliceif:
    TRWTF is "Blue-Ray".

    Naughty article writer! SPANK!

  • (disco)

    "Let me get this straight, Samsung. In order to connect my new Blue-ray player to the Internet, you want me to read a 338 page contract...Using my remote control...One page at a time...," writes Andrew A.

    No, Andrew A, you are not supposed to read the 338 page contract. What part of, "Just click OK," don't you understand?

    I swear, the only way Samsung could make this worse would be to pop up a page, "You have just paid $500 for your new TV. Before using it, you should read and agree to the terms and conditions. There is a fee of $50,000 to read the terms and conditions; or you can just click 'agree' and get on with your ride straight into hell."

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    I don't get the Star Chart one…
    Yamikuronue:
    It says "frist"

    @raceprouK seems to have inadvertently done one of the more inventive frist posts in quite some time

  • (disco)

    The Samsung TV one is not a technological WTF, it's a legal WTF.

    The WTF is that somehow, in the current legal system, you have to write 338 motherfucking pages of boilerplate, composed of either incredibly obvious stuff, legal terms you won't understand, and three hundred variations of "SAMSUNG HAS THE RIGHT TO SCREW YOU OVER IN ANY WAY WE CHOOSE TO, YOU AGREE NOT TO SUE SAMSUNG, YOU WILL NOT SCREW OVER SAMSUNG". And then you have to pretend you want your users to read it, and the users have to pretend they read it, and if anyone dares skip any of these pointless rituals they will get royally screwed over by a court 10 years later when someone claims eating their TV made them sick and the judge cannot find a statement in its EULA saying you agree not to eat the TV.

    And people complain about Java being too verbose. Billions of dollars are wasted on this legal crap, every fucking year.

  • (disco) in reply to anonymous234
    anonymous234:
    Billions of dollars are wasted on this legal crap, every fucking year.

    What's even more “fun” is that with consumer devices, a court might well decide that the EULA is bogus anyway and set it aside in favour of the usual local consumer protection setup anyway. It's really wasted.

  • (disco) in reply to anonymous234

    You don't have to, though. This is a company with lawyers run amuck.

  • (disco)

    Wait - How did they get my Amex account???? :flushed:

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK

    But... according to WikiPedIa the flight happened on August 30th. Maybe it's a Push... from the Future!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Discovery

  • (disco)

    Blimey -- Littlehaven. Used to go through Littlehaven on the train every day on the way to and from school.

    Well, not every day, obviously, not Saturdays and Sundays, and not during holidays.

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra
    Tsaukpaetra:
    according to WikiPedIa the flight happened on August 30th

    The WikiPedia article mentions its first flight, but the Star Chart message is about its frist flight, so no contradiction.

    Filed under: I have NFC what WikiPedla is talking about.

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek

    Ohhhh! My silly little brian totally autocorrected that during interpretation, didn't even notice it!

  • (disco) in reply to anonymous234

    Another great american invention?

    the United States has close to 25 percent of the world’s prisoners and, Black adds, 50 percent of its lawyers.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-happened-to-the-rights-of-the-accused/2015/04/30/8b4cf4ca-ef74-11e4-8abc-d6aa3bad79dd_story.html

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK
    RaceProUK:
    *looks again*

    Oh.

    Sorry; after reading so many of @accalia's @accalia­s, I'm almost immune to spotting them

    Not to mention frist being a meme round these parts.

  • (disco) in reply to CoyneTheDup

    No, they could make it worse by requiring you to state that you have read it. "All you have to do is sell us your soul and state that you've read it when you haven't, and then you can use the item you've already purchased."

  • (disco) in reply to tharpa
    tharpa:
    No, they could make it worse by requiring you to state that you have read it. "All you have to do is sell us your soul and state that you've read it when you haven't, and then you can use the item you've already purchased."

    They already have that. First of all, there's the text we can see (emphasis mine):

    "You should read these Terms and Conditions carefully and should not accept these Terms and Conditions or register for, access, or use the services (collectively as "Use" of the services) unless You agree to the Terms...

    We can't see the rest. But then there is the check box above, which states simply and clearly, "I agree."

    So you can spend, conservatively, six hours reading the terms and conditions, or you can just click agree to get on with using your Blu-Ray player. I mean, a straightforward estimate of 6 words per line by 12 lines yields 24,000 words...¼ the length of a novel.

    Could it possibly be clearer what they want you do do? And that is the point of my other message: They could make it clearer by charging you an enormous fee to read the terms and conditions...or just click here to agree no problem.

  • (disco) in reply to CoyneTheDup
    CoyneTheDup:
    tharpa:
    No, they could make it worse by requiring you to state that you have read it. "All you have to do is sell us your soul and state that you've read it when you haven't, and then you can use the item you've already purchased."

    They already have that. First of all, there's the text we can see (emphasis mine):

    "You should read these Terms and Conditions carefully and should not accept these Terms and Conditions or register for, access, or use the services (collectively as "Use" of the services) unless You agree to the Terms...

    We can't see the rest. But then there is the check box above, which states simply and clearly, "I agree."

    Not the same at all. In one case, the word "should" is used. The user is simply disregarding the unsolicited advice. No lie is required. In the other case, the user must state that he has read the lengthy agreement,, that is lie, or actually read it, which no one (or hardly anyone) does.

  • (disco) in reply to tharpa
    tharpa:
    the word "should" is used.

    Well, okay, I guess that's true enough. But if you read between the lines, that is really...

    You should read these Terms and Conditions carefully, but we really hope you won't, and should not accept these Terms and Conditions or register for, access, or use the services (collectively as "Use" of the services) unless You agree to be tyrannized by the Terms..."

  • (disco) in reply to tharpa

    They could also disable the checkbox until all 338 pages have been displayed.

  • (disco) in reply to Watson
    Watson:
    They could also disable the checkbox until all 338 pages have been displayed

    Well, that would be nasty. But it really wouldn't achieve the desired goal. The desired goal these days is to have you agree to Terms and Conditions in which...

    • You assign all your worldly property to the company.
    • Sell yourself into lifetime indentured servitude.
    • Transfer your soul to the devil.
    • Sell your wife, children and grandchildren into slavery.
    • etc.

    ...all without, of course, reading the agreement. Because if you actually read the agreement, you might discover there is something bad in there you might not want to agree to.

    So these days, companies are actually expending extra effort to ensure you quickly click "I agree" without actually reading the 24,000 word agreement. It's much better that way from their perspective, because that way you won't actually find out you agreed to bad terms until your soul is already on its way to hell. By then, of course, the agreement is irrevocable.

  • (disco) in reply to CoyneTheDup
    CoyneTheDup:
    The desired goal these days is to have you agree to Terms and Conditions in which...
    CoyneTheDup:
    ...all without, of course, reading the agreement.

    Which is a large part of why courts are really likely to not enforce that “agreement” to the letter when it comes to consumer products. They tend to reason that if the company is deliberately causing a device to be sold to consumers, then no fancy agreement is necessary to use that device as it was obviously meant to be used.

    Which is why some of these companies ought to not just get their “agreements” drawn up by people experienced in corporate law, but also have some meaningful input from consumer law experts. If nothing else, it'd save a lot on legal fees because they'd know that they could omit most of the time spent on the corporate lawyers…

  • (disco) in reply to CoyneTheDup
    CoyneTheDup:
    Well, that would be nasty.

    Some installers require you to scroll all the way down the text before enabling the OK button.

    Can't think of any examples off-hand, though ...

  • (disco) in reply to Watson
    Watson:
    They could also disable the checkbox until all 338 pages have been displayed.
    aliceif:
    Some installers require you to scroll all the way down the text before enabling the OK button.

    Can't think of any examples off-hand, though ...

    Not an installer, but EVE Online used to (does?) do this.

    They pretty much didn't expect you to read it, I guess. On the top of the window it clearly said: "Scroll to bottom to continue". The actual EULA, of course, contained the usual "YOU MUST READ THIS" thing. But knowing CCP (the company behind EVE) they really just put it there because they had to.

  • (disco) in reply to aliceif
    aliceif:
    Some installers require you to scroll all the way down the text before enabling the OK button.

    Can't think of any examples off-hand, though ...

    There's a Fed EX Office near here, that has computers you can rent by the minute. I've never bothered to buy my own printer, so I use them once in a while. The agreements on those require you to scroll all the way to the bottom before you can agree.

    There are two agreements, but the first is about a page long and the second is just 4-5 lines or so; no big deal.

  • (disco)

    I don't get the "Where your money went" one.

  • (disco) in reply to UchihaMadara

    The categories look like those of a personal budget, so - among other things - a ten-thousand-dollar phone bill?

  • (disco) in reply to Watson

    Is that a problem? There's no reason why the poster cannot spend that much. His caption doesn't say anything about how rich he is. Maybe :wtf: is the poster making this submission only to tell us:

    Hey, look how rich I am, all you miserable readers. Get a life, you losers.

  • (disco)

    The rail replacement one manages to have two points A at different locations. Schroedinger's Railway? The bus is simultaneously in a state of being at both bus stops, but when someone gets onto a bus the other one disappears. Anybody who knows about the Southern Railway will realise that reality is going to be more absurd than any speculation.

  • (disco) in reply to CoyneTheDup
    CoyneTheDup:
    It's much better that way from their perspective, because that way you won't actually find out you agreed to bad terms until your soul is already on its way to hell. By then, of course, the agreement is irrevocable.

    So what you're saying is, Faust should have read the EULA for Helen of Troy a bit more carefully? Unfortunately for him, he studied magic but not law.

  • (disco) in reply to kupfernigk
    kupfernigk:
    Faust should have read the EULA for Helen of Troy a bit more carefully?

    Added to "fanfic ideas" folder ;)

  • (disco)

    Well, there's your problem (to quote Adam Savage). You installed "Star Chart", not "Start Chart". Read those descriptions in the iStore more carefully.

  • (disco)

    Regarding the picture beside the Star Wars collection. This is what happens when the marketing heavily retouches the photograph of one of the stars, in this case Yoda. You can hardly recognize the guy after all the "improvements."

  • (disco) in reply to kupfernigk
    kupfernigk:
    The rail replacement one manages to have two points A at different locations.
    Probably just that you get on the one which is on the side of the road appropriate for your intended direction of travel.
  • (disco) in reply to Scarlet_Manuka

    This is Southern Railway. They were masters of Discologic before it was even named such.

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra
    Tsaukpaetra:
    Ohhhh! My silly little **brian** totally autocorrected that during interpretation, didn't even notice it!
    Added emphasis for you.

    Poor Brian...

  • (disco) in reply to aliceif
    aliceif:
    Some installers require you to scroll all the way down the text before enabling the OK button.

    Can't think of any examples off-hand, though ...

    Some installers put all the Eula contents in multi-line textbox so you can just press Ctrl-End to scroll to the bottom. It's quite a time saver.

    Can't think of any examples off-hand, though ...

  • (disco) in reply to cheong

    Doh! Caught in the act!

  • (disco) in reply to Scarlet_Manuka
    Scarlet_Manuka:
    Probably just that you get on the one which is on the side of the road appropriate for your intended direction of travel.

    If a small balloon bursts and nobody notices, does it make a sound?

  • (disco) in reply to kupfernigk
    kupfernigk:
    If a small balloon bursts and nobody notices, does it make a sound?

    No, but it may make a bad movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVt32qoyhi0

  • (disco) in reply to Yamikuronue
    Yamikuronue:
    No, but it may make a bad movie.

    I'm sorry, is that a reference to Sodastream bottles hypothetically going pop?

  • (disco) in reply to kupfernigk

    No, it's a reference to the movie I embedded the trailer for, in which a drug mule gains super powers when her drug balloon pops inside her

  • (disco) in reply to Yamikuronue
    Yamikuronue:
    a drug mule gains super powers when her drug balloon pops inside her

    That sounds brilliant. Could be a possible plot for Crank 3

  • (disco) in reply to UchihaMadara
    UchihaMadara:
    Is that a problem? There's no reason why the poster cannot spend that much. His caption doesn't say anything about how rich he is. Maybe is the poster making this submission only to tell us:

    That was how much was spent in 7 days! So averaging something like 10 million a year... Anyway, his comment was "Wow! I guess this is how the 1% lives." meaning "I'm not rich, but I can imagine this is what a rich person's bill may be like".

  • (disco) in reply to Yamikuronue
    Yamikuronue:
    a drug mule gains super powers when her drug balloon pops inside her
    :wtf:

    And I thought Peter Parker getting superpowers from a spider-bite was ridiculous… Doesn't stop Spiderman being good, but you have to agree, that method of getting superpowers is a bit ridiculous

  • (disco) in reply to RaceProUK

    Oh, it's hilaribad. CinemaSins did a pretty decent rundown:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3rZmnJ66Po

  • (disco) in reply to Yamikuronue

    a 16 minute "everything wrong with" video? That's probably twice as long as the longest one of those I've seen so far!

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