- Feature Articles
- CodeSOD
- Error'd
- Forums
-
Other Articles
- Random Article
- Other Series
- Alex's Soapbox
- Announcements
- Best of…
- Best of Email
- Best of the Sidebar
- Bring Your Own Code
- Coded Smorgasbord
- Mandatory Fun Day
- Off Topic
- Representative Line
- News Roundup
- Editor's Soapbox
- Software on the Rocks
- Souvenir Potpourri
- Sponsor Post
- Tales from the Interview
- The Daily WTF: Live
- Virtudyne
Admin
I have one word for this post: Screwy
Admin
If you think this is bad, try working in a partsroom that stocks Caterpillar parts. One proprietary, non-standard O-ring? One 14-digit part number and its own sealed plastic baggie
Admin
The real WTF is that only the first picture contained a wooden table.
Admin
Ive recived Zip Ties in their own seperate plastic bag........
Admin
CrApple pointed out that Apple are similarly guilty recently:
http://crapplestore.blogspot.com/2010/12/service-part-packaging.html
Admin
Please say that each bag was sealed with a zip tie.
Admin
Recently I was to return a cable tv-box after ending my subscription. I recieved a letter stating that I would soon recieve a address label to put on the original carton. A few weeks later (speedy people...) I got a notice that I had a package to pick up, sent by the tv company. This package had a volume of approx 3.5 liters, and contained one 10x5 cm sticker. Also, about 3 liters of packing material. Wouldn't want the sticker to get wrinkled!
Admin
Really? This IS green. I've seen vendors supply one small replacement zip-bag insides a another bubble-plastic bag, being put inside a cardboard box with foam coating, which then was placed inside a freight box made of reinforced cardboard padded with tiny styrofoam pellets. This monstrosity was then delivered overseas with a personell courier as this was a customer requirement.
I tendered my resignation that day when the CEO and CTO was unable to explain why that was necessary.
Admin
MWOAHAHAHAHAHA!
That's really all that comes to mind... I mean, a 3"x5"x10" box for a screw, 60+ times over?
MWOAHAHAHAHAHA!
Admin
I commend Dell on their savvy business decision. Studies show that it's not cost effective or "green" for every company designed a custom package to compactly contain all hardware. Instead, Dell courageously just uses the package the screws already come in from their hardware supplier.
William Higgins
President- Packaging Manufacturers of America
Admin
Postal services and couriers should start to charge based on volume instead of just weight. That way there would be an incentive to use more efficient packaging.
I am pretty sure the limiting capacity of most parts of the transportation chain is rather volume or number of packets instead of their weight.
Admin
How is that bad? Of course the part number would be a big number, considering the sheer number of spare parts for all Caterpillar machines. Would you prefer they threw all different O-rings in a big box and just write a post-it note and slap it on the side which says "pick one that kinda fits"? I'm sorry, but I work in a manufacturing business and when keeping track of spare parts, best to be on the safe side when labelling and packaging. A slight difference in O-ring hardness (shore) or diameter can mean a lot of wasted time, (a potential) messy working environment (if something starts to leak) and if you're really unlucky, personal injury. OK I'm done now. :)
Admin
TRWTF is somebody ordering screws from Dell.
Admin
Now be careful Alex, I think you're now stepping into territory claimed by El Reg. One or two was fine, but now you're treading dangerous ground… I don't think you'd like to see the vulture when it's angry…
Admin
Yo Dawg, I heard you like to have packaging in your packaging, so I put some packaging in your packaging so you can open packages while you open packages.
Admin
Are cardboard boxes are more environmentally-friendly than wooden ones? Discuss...
Admin
I remember one time signing for a large (approx 5' each side) box from HP that, after removing the matryoshka-like packaging, contained a small piece of paper saying we had a software license. It could have been sent by email. It could have even been sent by post as a letter (like some of the correspondence relating to tracking this thing was) if a piece of paper absolutely had to be sent around. But no, we had to have the full multi-layer dose of heavy cardboard and polystyrene peanuts…
Admin
This is brilliant. It wouldn't even have to be a computer manufacturer to be relevant to programming.
Think about it for a second: it's an exact physical equivalent of the N+1 query problem of badly applied O/R mappers. Or an Enterprise Application that does a separate SOAP RPC call to set each property of a business object that has 50 properties.
And the best thing: it's even happing for exactly the same reason: mismatch of API granularities. The spare parts ordering "interface" was obviously implemented with individual parts in mind, but is being used for bulk orders. There might even be a way to do sensible bulk orders, but it was not exposed (or exposed but not used) at some point in the "call stack".
Admin
Do you realize they still make a profit from this somehow (atleast I assume that) =P
Admin
I guess that would make sense if the screws were different. But the order slips clearly show these are all the same part number. At least these could've been all put in the same packaging. I mean, heck with being green, what about some plain ol' common sense?
Admin
it is no doubt cheaper and more efficient for Dell to purchase packaging materials in vast quantities covering a smaller range of sizes than a smaller quantity of a larger range of sizes. The price for the extra material in a larger envelope is outweighed by the savings in having a smaller range to manage. These savings are then spent to plant trees, breed unnicorns and manufacture rainbows, so you hippies can all be thankful that they do this.
Admin
Noticed the same thing last week. I had ordered a couple of SCSI drives from Dell, I was surprises to see them come in 2 separate boxes, each big enough to hold at least the 2 drives.
Admin
Friends don't let friends buy Dell.
Admin
So... I'm the only person reading this that is shocked by the waste? Look at all the excess packaging for one screw! - bloody appalling.
Admin
Ha ha. Yes, because being efficient is all about being useless drug addled hippies who believe in unicorns. Efficiency is TEH STUPID.
Admin
Actually, most do. Generally, it's a minimum weight per cubic foot so that they don't go broke hauling styrofoam.
Realistically, packages like that will fall under minimum charge (the fee you get regardless of size) anyway.
Admin
Admin
That's how Royal Mail do charge here in the UK. I agree it makes far more sense. Of course, everyone over the age of about 25 was completely outraged, and they undoubtedly did use it as a stealthy way to increase prices. It's mildly annoying because you can never be quite sure how much something's going to cost you, and the definition of whether your package does or doesn't fit through the handy measuring slot differs depending on the post office you're in (some say it has to fall through freely, others give it a little nudge and say it's fine).
Of course, even though folding a letter costs several pence less than sending it flat in a bigger envelope, lots of companies are still sending huge A4-sized envelopes with a single sheet of paper in.
Admin
The packaging costs more than the thing it's packaging.
Admin
Congratulations! You understood the point of the story. Award yourself one pat on the back.
Admin
Angered maybe, but shocked? Seriously, you need to start paying more attention to the world around you.
Besides, I'm sure Dell would gladly start hugging trees if they could work out how to turn a profit for it. In the mean time they'll keep fleecing folk for screws at such a high price that they can afford to thrown in a couple of bits of paper and cardboard as a free gift.
Admin
It is kind of head-shaking, but clearly nobody at Dell thinks being green is worth the added cost of having a person look at the order, say "Hmm, I think I can repackage these all in the same box" and proceed to do so. It's probably a result of some automated inventory and shipping process.
Admin
If the packaging is worth more than the screws, this has got me thinking...order a very large quantity of screws from Dell and start a business selling padded envelopes/jiffy bags = profit!
Admin
**with a FREE screw!!!
Admin
Admin
A few years ago I ordered some replacement parts from HP (for switches I think) and the day after I got them, I got another set of large boxes from HP. Each box was about the size of a standard tower computer and had a single piece of paper in it with like a manual correction or something similarly useless.
At the time we had a guy working with us that was an ex-HP manager of some sort. He said they were notorious for doing this because it was far cheaper to create a new product with the corrections than to make the correction on the current product's paperwork because it would require having change/update everything in the chain.
Admin
+1 to brazzy's post. The inefficient packaging described in the article is very, very relevant to programming -- on several levels.
The general idea of inefficient packaging may also be useful in explaining software performance issues to non-technical people. Why does memory and disk space become fragmented? Why does block allocation size matter? Why should we pay expensive programmers to spend time "tuning" the performance of a web site instead of just buying another server? The next time you have to explain such things, consider using the packing problem described in this article as an analogy.
A while back I tried describing disk fragmentation issues to a non-technical person, using the analogy of packing eggs into several egg cartons. The egg analogy went over pretty well, but if I have to do it again sometime,those pictures of Dell shipments might be a useful visual aid to describe some of the problems.
Admin
Most couriers do charge based on the greater of actual or "volumetric" weight (an artificial figure of so-much weight per unit of volume).
Admin
Cisco does(did) this as well. Ordering licenses for a PIX router. A big box came via Fedex. Inside the box was a padded envelope. Inside the padded envelope was a regular envelope. Inside the regular envelope containing a piece of paper with a URL on it to get the license key.
And we got an email saying the package shipped - so I imagine that email could have had the url in it instead of a tracking number.
Admin
Well, with all those bags, at least you don't need to worry about the screws being crushed during delivery.
Admin
This is efficient in the same way as running to the wrong goal in football.
Admin
So you see, this is the most efficient system possible - truly, we live in the best of all possible worlds.
Admin
That was yesterday's WTF.
Admin
Good plan for legalized prostitution.
"I'll take one of those $25 used bags, please."
Admin
A large package is not a WTF. A large package certifies as to the importance of the recipient. My cousin in Mumbai sent me one lakh of bindis for my daughter, and the box was so small the postal clerk laughed at my expense. I beat the bhai chod bhayee chod with a stick, and when I next visit my cousin I will eat palak paneer then squat on his floor to show my displeasure.
Admin
Welcome to the Aboxalypse:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/29/aboxalypse_now/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/05/yet_more_hp_packaging/
Admin
Except that those boxes are meant to be reused and those boxes are used many times before they are recycled.
Admin
I see absoutely nothing wrong here.
Bill. CEO, The Lumber Cartel. (TINLC)
Admin
I hope you found a good reuse for all that packaging, Mr. Green!
Admin
Looks like something went wrong with the ordering system in that last one.