• (cs) in reply to Erik
    Anonymous:
    Ah, insecurity in networked machines... the school I graduated from had a very liberal policy for sharing files over the network, before the first round of lawsuits came down from the RIAA: you could tag any folder to be shared, and it would show up when someone browsed through the list of students on the network.  You could poke around until you found something interesting, or find a search client that would peruse through the shared directories, which were usually music and movie folders.

    Except for the guy who shared C:\.

    I almost felt bad for the guy, since he obviously had no idea what he was doing... I opened the first document I found to find his name, and sent him an anonymous email telling him that it was probably a bad idea.  A week later, it was still shared.  So I changed his background image in Windows to a BMP announcing "Your computer is not protected."  A week later, still up.  Having decided that subtlety had failed entirely, and that a man who was unwilling to institute basic security measures when BEATEN OVER THE HEAD WITH THEM was undeserving of my pity, I randomly started renaming files in windows\system32.

    I guess I've got a mean streak.


    This is one of a few posts I have in this thread bragging about having messed with another persons computer.  Yes, the guy is  retarded  for not taking the most basic of security  measures.  Yes, he might have deserved what he got.  But do you really want to be the guy that gives it to him?   In this case it is worse since the guy's complete lack of computer skills means he will have a much harder time recovering from your vandilism.

    What if this guy doesn't lock the door to his house and you warn him about the stupidity of leaving his house wide open.  Does that give you license to go in and trash the place?

    I guess I just don't see the humor in it.  
  • Sofal (unregistered) in reply to anonymous
    Troll:

    Any degree, from any University, that comes from any College other than that University's College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, is nothing but a vocational diploma.

    That means all you people from Colleges of Engineering, and all you people from Colleges of Business, you're no different than the guy who changes the oil in my car.

    And learning programming in college?  Good grief!  In my day, they only taught programming to English majors who wanted to learn about computers.  If you were a math or science major, or even an engineering major, you were just expected to pick it up on your own.



    Oh yeah? Well you're no different than a poopy face!

    In my day, they put artsy fartsy trolls in a vat full of weasel snot.
  • (cs) in reply to Steve
    Anonymous:
    Anyways, those that handed in verbatim minus new name got a B. Those that changed the code, variables, etc got the A.  I got the B.

    Yay for Google.com!!!  

    Reminds me of the weekly math assignments (analysis) we got at University. You needed 50% of the total (semester) scores to pass, plus 50% at the final exam.

    There were simple, intermediate and quite hardcore problems among them, but solving the simple ones and some of the intermediate ones was enough to achieve 50%.

    Some smart kids collaborated to solve the assignments and got consistently high scores (around 90%). All of my friends just borrowed the solutions from those smart kids and got 90% scores, too. I did all the assignments on my own, which often took me 5 hours or so, and I didn't have the time to solve some of the problems. I got a 70% average for the semester (including some assignments which I didn't turn in at all).

    However, among me and my friends, I was - unsurprisingly - the only one who passed the final exam. My friends just didn't have the necessary exercise. Moral of the story? Up to you.

  • Nick (unregistered) in reply to anonymous
    Anonymous:

    So what if they ask those questions?  At least they're not asking, "why are you so stupid you got held back a year in college?  Did you have to take the short bus to class?"  Which is exactly what they want to know.

    Well assuming there actually is a recruiter out there who wouldn't realize from a quick glance at a resume why the student's timeline was different from 4 years, you have an easy answer.  On the other hand, I'd really like to see the employer's reaction when you answer that you wanted to stick to your 'vocational training' instead of getting real live experience through an internship.


    The fact is, most college students today are there because they consider it some kind of vocational training.  If you can't copmplete your job training in the normative period, why should anyone hire you?



    I didn't realize beer pong was a vocation.  What kind of salary does such a job bring?

    Seriously, have you even been to a college?
  • Salmon (unregistered) in reply to grempel

    Anonymous:
    <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>Aye, that was my first thought too... "that sounds awefully familiar".

    But as any good mathie, the vast majority of my on-campus time was in the MC, at the Comfy Lounge, MathSOC, the CSC, the 6th floor Graphics Lab, and the 3rd floor Train Lab (Realtime).
    </FONT></FONT>

    <FONT face=Arial>Wow! Who knew there were so many ex-slaughterloo victems reading this...</FONT>

    <FONT face=Arial></FONT> 

  • (cs) in reply to Sofal

    Anonymous:

    Vocational training? Did you go to some hyped-up tech school or something? The kind that has to advertise on TV?

    "I got my degree in 2 years and I already have a job scraping the crud off of people's toenails!"

    Maybe you don't quite understand all of the reasons that many people here have already given for taking 5 years to graduate, but that is a reflection on you, not them. I'm not going to waste time spelling them out for you again.

    And some people have an ill-view of others who’ve graduated in less than 4 years. I’m calling out the anonymous poster who said employers will ask “Why didn't you take a part time job to help pay for your education instead of mooching off your parents?” That and the prior questions are a whimsical reflection of that poster.

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    I’ll be nice, waste my time and help him broaden his mind a little:

    <o:p> </o:p>

    Like why you didn't try to fit an internship or something in there?

    Although my college has one of the most popular co-op programs in the nation, I just wasn't interested in that or internships. I wanted to be experienced in other things besides computer science. I rather work in the summer and go to school in fall and winter semesters.

    <o:p> </o:p>

    Why did you take only the bare minimum classes when you had a chance to give yourself a well rounded education?

    I’m sorry. I could have graduated in 2.5 years, maybe 2 if I talked with a couselor on my first year. I purposeful took more classes than required so I’ll graduate in 3 years. I believe I had a well rounded education, most of my electives were pretty much non-CS related and diverse.

    <o:p></o:p> 

    Why didn't you take a part time job to help pay for your education instead of mooching off your parents?

    If you read my resume in detail, you’ll see that I had two jobs WHILE in college. And just to let you know, a scholarship paid for all my tuition; my parents hardly paid for anything. I have to sacrifice things that I want: dorm, study abroad, etc, so I wouldn’t have to burden my family’s finances.

    <o:p> </o:p>

    And when the interviewer asks how come I didn’t join any fraternities, why I decided to take a whole bunch of AP classes instead of taking non-college prep classes in high school, join the football team, and give myself a well rounded high school experience… I’ll bust some top rock, drop to some six-step, transition to a windmill, monkey flip, and then throw a roundhouse kick to the interviewer’s head, stopping mere centimeters to show him my control :-P.

     

    BTW, I don't care if you don't believe all of this is true. I do gotta admit that my windmills are slow and aren't clean. Also, I truly do understand the folks deciding to take more than 4 years, having many relatives and friends who are doing so.

  • Mike (unregistered) in reply to rmr

      I don't know.  I sometimes feel like my last 2 years of college was a set of classes on how to rapidly pick up new languages, or master concepts entirely unrelated to anything else I did.  I must say, that was probably a good thing.  Odds are, by the time you finish college and get a job, you'll be busy learning the latest and greatest language (framework, ect).  The first 2 years, of course, was laying all the foundations so that I would be able to pick up new things quickly.  I think that you do need to be taught the fundamentals, but after that, you should be able to pick things up on your own. 

  • Nick (unregistered) in reply to MGrant
    MGrant:

    Anonymous:

    Vocational training? Did you go to some hyped-up tech school or something? The kind that has to advertise on TV?

    "I got my degree in 2 years and I already have a job scraping the crud off of people's toenails!"

    Maybe you don't quite understand all of the reasons that many people here have already given for taking 5 years to graduate, but that is a reflection on you, not them. I'm not going to waste time spelling them out for you again.

    And some people have an ill-view of others who’ve graduated in less than 4 years. I’m calling out the anonymous poster who said employers will ask “Why didn't you take a part time job to help pay for your education instead of mooching off your parents?” That and the prior questions are a whimsical reflection of that poster.

    <o:p> </o:p>

    I’ll be nice, waste my time and help him broaden his mind a little:

    <o:p> </o:p>

    Like why you didn't try to fit an internship or something in there?

    Although my college has one of the most popular co-op programs in the nation, I just wasn't interested in that or internships. I wanted to be experienced in other things besides computer science. I rather work in the summer and go to school in fall and winter semesters.

    <o:p> </o:p>

    Why did you take only the bare minimum classes when you had a chance to give yourself a well rounded education?

    I’m sorry. I could have graduated in 2.5 years, maybe 2 if I talked with a couselor on my first year. I purposeful took more classes than required so I’ll graduate in 3 years. I believe I had a well rounded education, most of my electives were pretty much non-CS related and diverse.

    <o:p></o:p> 

    Why didn't you take a part time job to help pay for your education instead of mooching off your parents?

    If you read my resume in detail, you’ll see that I had two jobs WHILE in college. And just to let you know, a scholarship paid for all my tuition; my parents hardly paid for anything. I have to sacrifice things that I want: dorm, study abroad, etc, so I wouldn’t have to burden my family’s finances.

    <o:p> </o:p>

    And when the interviewer asks how come I didn’t join any fraternities, why I decided to take a whole bunch of AP classes instead of taking non-college prep classes in high school, join the football team, and give myself a well rounded high school experience… I’ll bust some top rock, drop to some six-step, transition to a windmill, monkey flip, and then throw a roundhouse kick to the interviewer’s head, stopping mere centimeters to show him my control :-P.

     

    BTW, I don't care if you don't believe all of this is true. I do gotta admit that my windmills are slow and aren't clean. Also, I truly do understand the folks deciding to take more than 4 years, having many relatives and friends who are doing so.



    Umm, you might want to read my post again.  I never said I had anything against going through college quickly, just that it ends up being a red flag to employers.  It makes you look like you are just like the previous poster who considered his entire college degree nothing more than 'vocational training'.  You look like you were more interested in just getting your degree than challenging yourself (and don't give me any BS about how you were challenging yourself, if you got through everything in 3 1/2 years, you could easily have done more).  If you can explain to your interviewer how you did it, fine, but to be honest, your story still doesn't seem good enough.  You didn't work a co-op or internship because you "just wasn't interested in that"?  Well I'm sorry, but many employers will rule you out just for that.  And yes, you can keep intrests other than CS while you do such a program, you just won't necessarily graduate after 4 years.  But as I said again, college is not a race.
  • woohoo (unregistered)

    I'd say the real WTF here is that a guy "sharing his whole C drive" shared all his private data by this. what the heck have his personal files to do on his system partition? of course this small WTF points us to a vastly bigger WTF: PC vendors selling their windoze systems with one partition on 200+ gig drives... I once bought a notebook from a well known vendor. I was not surprised, that the C partition took up the whole drive (this seems to be some sort of standard for windows). The first step was breaking it up into more partitions, I needed some space for a real OS anyway ;o) More surprising was the fact that a special "install and repair tool" was shipped along with the windows installation CD. When firing this up (after re-partitioning the drive) I was presented with the option "only format C partition when installing windows" - that was indeed rich, considering that there only was one (i.e. the C) partition on the drive originally.... BTW, I know a handful of typical end users who lost all of their data and some of them years of work, because they used their PCs "as is" (i.e. with one partition taking up the whole drive) and where surprised that everything was gone after re-installing the system after an irrecoverable crash (and they'd not heard the word "backup" either...)

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  • (cs) in reply to woohoo
    Anonymous:
    I'd say the real WTF here is that a guy "sharing his whole C drive" shared all his private data by this. what the heck have his personal files to do on his system partition? of course this small WTF points us to a vastly bigger WTF: PC vendors selling their windoze systems with one partition on 200+ gig drives... I once bought a notebook from a well known vendor. I was not surprised, that the C partition took up the whole drive (this seems to be some sort of standard for windows). The first step was breaking it up into more partitions, I needed some space for a real OS anyway ;o) More surprising was the fact that a special "install and repair tool" was shipped along with the windows installation CD. When firing this up (after re-partitioning the drive) I was presented with the option "only format C partition when installing windows" - that was indeed rich, considering that there only was one (i.e. the C) partition on the drive originally.... BTW, I know a handful of typical end users who lost all of their data and some of them years of work, because they used their PCs "as is" (i.e. with one partition taking up the whole drive) and where surprised that everything was gone after re-installing the system after an irrecoverable crash (and they'd not heard the word "backup" either...)

    CAPTCHA: knowhutimean

    One of the issues is that Windows deals very badly with placing stuff out of the OS partition (random stuff I mean, such as user accounts and program files).

    Either you have to create a custom slipstreamed Windows install disk, or you're in for a world of pain.

    Program files is OK with either method (either you go through the registry and replace every damn fucking single occurence of "Program Files" and "Progra~1" by your new folder/partition or you just more Program Files and create a hardlink/symlink), but you still have to deal with quite a few "in use" processes that you have to find & kill before being able to do your stuff, but Documents and Settings is a fucking pain to do: while Windows does support moving accounts, some system-related accounts (especially in Windows XP) badly get in the way.

    In the end (what a surprise) Windows it's a real pain making windows work with some OS-related folders completely out of the OS partition.

    And that's the WTF...

    We'll be right back.

  • Hill (unregistered) in reply to Sofal
    Anonymous:

    Oh yeah? Well you're no different than a poopy face!

    In my day, they put artsy fartsy trolls in a vat full of weasel snot.


    In my day, we smoked the weasel snot and had grotesque but surprisingly pleasant sex with the artsy fartsy trolls.

    Hill
  • DanixDefcon5 (unregistered)

    Ah .. so sad. This case describes half of my former campus CompSysEng comrades' knowledge.
    I once submitted the "solution" of one of them having trouble with his podcast not being accessible to people not using his same ISP.

    He setup a dynamic DNS domain to his IP.
    10.1.24.170

    And he still wonders why the problem's still there ...

  • Eric Betts (unregistered) in reply to evanm

    This sounds like U of Waterloo.  I am completely an internship and 5 of the interns I worked with were doing the same thing. 

    Not sure if its the school or the internships (or being canadian), but they are some of the nicest and smartest people i've ever met.

  • (cs) in reply to aeh
    Anonymous:
    Ah yes, Waterloo.. I personally still refer to the Math & Computer building as the Insane Asylum, and not only because the outside looks like one...


    Even though I chose Toronto over Waterloo, and then Cambridge over Toronto, I think I may have missed out...

    (Assuming we're talking about the same Waterloo, of course)
  • (cs) in reply to no name
    Anonymous:
    Does just renaming the variables actually work???

    It seems like it would be trivial to write a program to detect that?


    It does in Cambridge. And it should be pretty obvious too - they get people to quiz you on the assignment before you pass it. Badly indented code makes it obvious you didn't even bother hitting tab a few times.

    But there was only one, Ticker B, who had a decent cut-off for "I'll let him have it". Most of them don't care enough to make you redo it if you obviously have no clue what's going on.
  • (cs) in reply to Richard Nixon
    Richard Nixon:
    I found a similarly open door on the college network with thousands of .mp3s. I did not see any music that I liked so I deleted all of them - except the one that was obviously being accessed/played at the time of the delete. (I was a good samaritan and threw some music that I liked onto the drive.)


    You, sir, are evil. And a terrorist ;)

    Or something.

    You could have moved them all into a folder named "this music is crap". Deleting someone else's files is something I just wouldn't do, because I've lost mine enough times.
  • (cs) in reply to rmr
    rmr:
    I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I can't resist noting that the absolute worst programmers I know are the ones who "pick[ed] it up on their own".  The best?  Those are the ones who worked closely with good mentors, either in the classroom or on the job.


    I hope I never know you. I might turn into one of those bad coders.

    I started when I was 10, and my company wants me to work part time during term (which I'm not allowed under university rules), which they have never offered before. Obviously my code is worth what they're paying me (I'd say at least double). When I can be bothered to code, that is ;)
  • Muther-F*n Snake (unregistered) in reply to no name

    "It seems like it would be trivial to write a program to detect that?"

    Yep, pretty much. Especially if your uni has an anywhere near half-decent compilors program.

  • Muther-F*n Snake (unregistered) in reply to TeeSee
    TeeSee:
    I started when I was 10, and my company wants me to work part time during term (which I'm not allowed under university rules), which they have never offered before.


    That, or they want you to fix all the bugs you've caused already. ;)
  • (cs)

    ... and to think, I thought you were going to say it was the Prof's computer.  I'd actually be more inclined to believe that a comp sci professor made that blunder than a 5th year... then again, maybe that's why he's 5th year...

  • Linus (unregistered) in reply to XMLord

    Ugh. Yea. I'm a CS student, and I'm impressed the guy was able to operate a P2P program as early as his fifth year.

    All the way into my third year I had classmates frequently come to me because they were unable to figure out MS Word ("come on, tell me again how you get those thick letters..." "boldface" "whatever, just show me")

    Worst part of it was that the level and type of stupidity was closely tied to the country-of-origin of the student, which had me struggling not to develop any prejudices.

    ...and here I thought coming into contact with other cultures would help dissolve those same prejudices.

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