• My name (unregistered)

    No comments yet because everyone is busy coding...

  • TRWTF (unregistered)

    The real WTF is that the official contest website does not mention what the contest is all about.

    Note from Mark Updated contest website to make this clearer -- MB

  • Kakan (unregistered) in reply to TRWTF

    What about: "create an “enterprise” level decision making engine. It needs to tell us, randomly, “yes” or “no”"

  • F (unregistered) in reply to Kakan
    Kakan:
    What about: "create an “enterprise” level decision making engine. It needs to tell us, randomly, “yes” or “no”"

    Nah ... nobody would buy that one.

  • TRWTF (unregistered) in reply to Kakan
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  • Summoner (unregistered)

    "Also, your entry only counts if you install and deploy New Relic's performance monitoring software."

    ... so the contest is only open to people who have enough authority at thier workplace to change the company development process and list of approved applications? Good luck getting anyone with current experience at writing enterprisy code in on this contest.

  • bjolling (cs) in reply to Kakan
    Kakan:
    What about: "create an “enterprise” level decision making engine. It needs to tell us, randomly, “yes” or “no”"
    Those requirements are better than what I usually receive at work
  • Zemm (cs) in reply to Summoner
    Summoner:
    "Also, your entry only counts if you install and deploy New Relic's performance monitoring software."

    ... so the contest is only open to people who have enough authority at thier workplace to change the company development process and list of approved applications? Good luck getting anyone with current experience at writing enterprisy code in on this contest.

    Ok, I was replying to this, checked out the new relic website and chrome on iPad crashed!

    I'd just monitor this one app and that counts, right? But how can I use it to monitor perl?

  • MiffTheFox (cs) in reply to Summoner

    Delete isn't working.

  • MiffTheFox (cs) in reply to Summoner
    Summoner:
    "Also, your entry only counts if you install and deploy New Relic's performance monitoring software."

    ... so the contest is only open to people who have enough authority at thier workplace to change the company development process and list of approved applications? Good luck getting anyone with current experience at writing enterprisy code in on this contest.

    TRWTF.
  • AlanGriffiths (cs) in reply to Summoner

    "Also, your entry only counts if you install and deploy New Relic's performance monitoring software"

    What does this involve? Does it even install on systems I have access to? After a cursory browse all I found on the newrelic website was pictures showing me how happy it will make me.

  • Vilx- (unregistered)

    So... what do we have to do again? Show "Yes" or "No" on random?

  • empgodot (unregistered) in reply to Zemm
    Zemm:
    I'd just monitor this one app and that counts, right? But how can I use it to monitor perl?

    That can easily be enterprised out. Just create an application server that runs you perl thingy and monitor that one.

  • dpm (unregistered)

    Does the winner of the lipstick get to choose a color, or is it thrust upon him like the pig?

  • Gödel (unregistered) in reply to Vilx-
    Vilx-:
    So... what do we have to do again? Show "Yes" or "No" on random?

    I am sorry, that cannot be answered; all enterprisey things are incomplete.

  • faoileag (unregistered) in reply to Summoner
    Summoner:
    "Also, your entry only counts if you install and deploy New Relic's performance monitoring software." ... so the contest is only open to people who have enough authority at thier workplace to change the company development process and list of approved applications?
    No, the contest is also open to people who do not use company time for private projects but instead use their own machine at home.
  • faoileag (unregistered) in reply to Vilx-
    Vilx-:
    So... what do we have to do again? Show "Yes" or "No" on random?
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  • tin (cs)

    Has New Relic made their software more reliable than when the mugs were on offer? If not, I wouldn't expect too many entries given the feedback they got back then.

  • Anon (unregistered)

    Hint hint: It's not either yes, either not. It's yes OR not.

  • Remy Porter (cs) in reply to AlanGriffiths

    You have to install and run the software on a computer you control. It does not have to be at your workplace. The purpose of this requirement is that NewRelic, the sponsors of this contest, want you to try their software package.

    Unlike the last OMG, you do not need to use the product to provide a report on your solution.

  • Eric (unregistered)

    So... Chosen by dice roll, guaranteed to be random?

  • faoileag (unregistered) in reply to Remy Porter
    Remy Porter:
    Unlike the last OMG, you do not need to use the product to provide a report on your solution.
    How do you verify that contestants have installed NR's product then?

    BTW, I'm really tempted to take part, that would be a good chance to use my homegrown random number generator* which uitilizes this completely new approach to randomness I have stumbled upon that makes quantum randomness look predictable!

    • still in development^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H design-phase.
  • Remy Porter (cs) in reply to faoileag

    My understanding is that NewRelic can tell if an account has actually activated the software or not. That element of the contest is in their court.

  • Alex Papadimoulis (cs) in reply to Summoner
    Summoner:
    "Also, your entry only counts if you install and deploy New Relic's performance monitoring software."

    ... so the contest is only open to people who have enough authority at thier workplace to change the company development process and list of approved applications? Good luck getting anyone with current experience at writing enterprisy code in on this contest.

    Good question --- "deploying" is installing it into an application, and then connecting it to their service. It's one step further than signing up for a free trial.

    You can deploy it on an app in your home workstation if you'd like.

  • ereh-emaNrouY (unregistered)

    /pedantic on If the deadline is 28 June 2013 12:00 AM, haven't we already missed the entry deadline? /pedantic off

  • MindChild (unregistered)

    Ok, so the purpose (and only direction) is that it has to tell you "Yes" or "No"? I mean, is that it? Are we looking for overly complicated WTFs? Too many assumption WTFs? What kind of inputs are there supposed to be to make the decision? All I can think of is a dialog that says "Press me" and some off the wall magic 8 ball logic picks an answer. Am I missing anything?

  • Tachyon (cs) in reply to Alex Papadimoulis
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    Good question --- "deploying" is installing it into an application, and then connecting it to their service. It's one step further than signing up for a free trial.

    You can deploy it on an app in your home workstation if you'd like.

    Like say notepad?

  • Remy Porter (cs) in reply to MindChild

    Think of it like a coin flipper. We are pathologically incapable of making decisions. So yes- the only business requirement is that it flips a coin. There are other requirements (we have to be able to understand and execute your code), which are outlined in more detail.

    How you achieve that goal is entirely up to you. We have given you an absurdly simple programming problem. We want you to turn it into something suitable to be posted as a WTF.

  • English Man (cs) in reply to Summoner
    Summoner:
    "Also, your entry only counts if you install and deploy New Relic's performance monitoring software."

    ... so the contest is only open to people who have enough authority at thier workplace to change the company development process and list of approved applications? Good luck getting anyone with current experience at writing enterprisy code in on this contest.

    Why are you doing this on your work PC?
  • xaade (cs)

    TRWTF is the garbage they want us to try.

    Next time, choose something that doesn't look like one of those websites that asks us to sign up for 5 offers.

    I've got to deploy it? I mean, I'm not in website development, and I don't want to turn my machine into a server. Guess that rules me out?

    I mean really? A company that offers a shirt included in a free trial.

  • neminem (unregistered)

    Two questions: I have no problem with the requirement that we install New Relic software on a machine, being that as has been pointed out, we shouldn't be doing this at work on work time anyway. But given that New Relic is only for web applications - does that mean our submission has to be a web application? Or do we just have to "deploy" it on any test does-nothing application, not on our actual contest entry?

    Secondly: does it have to return yes/no approximately equally? Or does it just have to always return either yes or no.

  • Remy Porter (cs) in reply to neminem
    1. No, you just have to use the New Relic software. You do not need to incorporate it into your solution

    2. How you implement your randomness/pseudorandomness is up to you. One of the prizes is for the "best" implementation of randomness.

  • Remy Porter (cs) in reply to xaade

    You can drop it into a VM, and then delete the VM when you're done. New Relic is sponsoring the contest, and they want people to try their software. It's not a lot to ask to have people install and run their agent once.

  • neminem (unregistered) in reply to Remy Porter
    Remy Porter:
    2) How you implement your randomness/pseudorandomness is up to you. One of the prizes is for the "best" implementation of randomness.
    Excellent. I have an awesome idea, then. (Also this means I predict at least one wag will implement an obfuscated version of the xkcd random number algorithm. That's not what I'm personally thinking, though.)
  • mott555 (cs)

    Are .NET languages acceptable? Or Java?

  • Remy Porter (cs) in reply to mott555

    Yes. So long as we can run in on fairly standard Windows/OSX/Linux image, it's allowed. Assume we have access to any version of Visual Studio/.NET framework.

    Outside of that, if you have any other pre-requisites or runtimes we'd need to install, just make sure it is something we can easily install. We expect to have a lot of entries, and we're not going to spend six hours setting up our environment just to test yours.

  • neminem (unregistered) in reply to Remy Porter
    Remy Porter:
    Assume we have access to any version of Visual Studio
    That might be dangerous. I actually do have a legitimate copy of VS6.0 lying around somewhere: do you?
  • Remy Porter (cs) in reply to neminem

    Yes. At work, I still support code written in VB6. But I wouldn't go farther back than VB6, if I were you.

  • Unisol (cs)

    Oh, the possibilities. Are we allowed to use code reuse? I mean, reuse the code that has been posted on TDWTF?

  • Spewin Coffee (unregistered)

    TRWTF is having to install a piece of spyware to win a contest. The contest sounds like fun though.

  • Rnd( (unregistered)

    Too bad I know far too little about enterprise level systems. Though going with some new well know language might be interesting idea...

    Can we expect web connectivity?

  • Nagesh (cs) in reply to faoileag
    faoileag:
    Summoner:
    "Also, your entry only counts if you install and deploy New Relic's performance monitoring software." ... so the contest is only open to people who have enough authority at thier workplace to change the company development process and list of approved applications?
    No, the contest is also open to people who do not use company time for private projects but instead use their own machine at home.

    what about poor people who can not afFord to have a personal computer?

  • Ramesh (unregistered) in reply to Nagesh

    [quote user="Nagesh"][quote user="faoileag"][quote what about poor people who can not afFord to have a personal computer?[/quote]

    It is very simple, bhai. Simply gather your friends and supply them with many many abacuses. You will soon be calculating up like a storm. It is like the proverb: too many cooks make light work!

  • chubertdev (cs) in reply to ereh-emaNrouY
    ereh-emaNrouY:
    /pedantic on If the deadline is 28 June 2013 12:00 AM, haven't we already missed the entry deadline? /pedantic off

    [morePedantic] this also isn't listed on the official contest page [/morePedantic]

  • Anonymously Not Yours (unregistered)
    Not deploying New Relic's performance monitoring software by the contest deadline. Yes, we will check with NewRelic to make sure that you did this.

    Installing some stuff I don't know and then letting you check my PC if it is really there?

    No thanks.....

  • Remy Porter (cs) in reply to Unisol

    I would suggest taking inspiration from CodeSODs and representative lines, but we want to see your creativity.

  • Remy Porter (cs) in reply to Rnd(

    Web connectivity is a perfectly reasonable thing to expect, yes.

  • Remy Porter (cs) in reply to Spewin Coffee

    New Relic's software isn't spyware, and you only have to install and run it once. They're the ones sponsoring this contest, and having people try their software is what they get out of it. Without them, there wouldn't be a contest.

  • Nagesh (cs) in reply to Remy Porter
    Remy Porter:
    New Relic's software isn't spyware, and you only have to install and run it once. They're the ones sponsoring this contest, and having people try their software is what they get out of it. Without them, there wouldn't be a contest.

    I have one question.

    Can you send my gift to my cousin in west-coast of US of A?

  • Jim the Tool (unregistered)

    I was going to complain about New Relic (so it's a new old thing?) not working on Linux. But apparently it does. Because it's SaaS (the real WTF). The real WTF is the website. Really awful. Of course, that maybe because I don't trust them to run JavaScript. If I decided to enter this, I'll setup a VM, test the software, and then nuke it from orbit.

    captcha: nulla, that's what's going to be left of the VM and New Relic on my machine. Nulla.

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