• foo AKA fooo (unregistered)

    0 comments. Does this mean I can post a frist comment, or that I can't?

  • MightyM (unregistered)

    Who scans a printout? Everyone knows the standard procedure is to photograph it on a wooden table.

  • (cs)

    <email>jason.weaverton&#3f;redacted-client.com</email>

  • (cs)

    The unique vacancy one is probably seeking mugs to be unwitting front-men for some sort of fraud. It will be related to the money-forwarding "opportunities" that leave the forwarder open to criminal money laundering charges and/or cheque-bouncing problems.

    The Wells Fargo one might be a phishing attempt, or the submitter may have had "display images" turned off - the practical result of which is that the web-bug they embed in the mail does not get referenced, and their creepy-ware server decides you never read the mail...

    "Debugging Web Service": translation: "We have no fucking clue what is going on, nor any clue about web services, XML, or indeed anything vaguely related to technology. Please ignore this and continue doing business with us."

  • ZoomST (unregistered) in reply to foo AKA fooo
    foo AKA fooo:
    0 comments. Does this mean I can post a frist comment, or that I can't?
    yes, you can by adding your !@FRIST_COMMENT@! in the !@COMMENT_PAGE@! Happy to help you, !@USER@!.
  • ZoomST (unregistered) in reply to MightyM
    MightyM:
    Who scans a printout? Everyone knows the standard procedure is to photograph it on a wooden table.
    You are right, and we know because when we copy the scanned image and paste it into Word it doesn't show the wooden edge.
  • Shit isn't black or white, mmm'kay? (unregistered) in reply to ZoomST
    ZoomST:
    MightyM:
    Who scans a printout? Everyone knows the standard procedure is to photograph it on a wooden table.
    You are right, and we know because when we copy the scanned image and paste it into Word it doesn't show the wooden edge.

    I'm pretty sure the photo is meant to be polaroid... and THEN scanned in.

  • Phil (unregistered) in reply to Shit isn't black or white, mmm'kay?
    Shit isn't black or white:
    ZoomST:
    MightyM:
    Who scans a printout? Everyone knows the standard procedure is to photograph it on a wooden table.
    You are right, and we know because when we copy the scanned image and paste it into Word it doesn't show the wooden edge.

    I'm pretty sure the photo is meant to be polaroid... and THEN scanned in.

    No, no, no! Why use one technology from the last millenium when you can use two? FAX the polaroid!

  • Herwig (unregistered) in reply to Phil
    Phil:
    Shit isn't black or white:
    ZoomST:
    MightyM:
    Who scans a printout? Everyone knows the standard procedure is to photograph it on a wooden table.
    You are right, and we know because when we copy the scanned image and paste it into Word it doesn't show the wooden edge.

    I'm pretty sure the photo is meant to be polaroid... and THEN scanned in.

    No, no, no! Why use one technology from the last millenium when you can use two? FAX the polaroid!

    ...and do not forget to ask the receipient to return the mail after reading, because it is the only copy you have...

  • (cs) in reply to ZoomST
    ZoomST:
    foo AKA fooo:
    0 comments. Does this mean I can post a frist comment, or that I can't?
    yes, you can by adding your !@FRIST_COMMENT@! in the !@COMMENT_PAGE@! Happy to help you, !@USER@!.

    !@GENERIC_WITTY_COMMENT@!

  • (cs)

    From now on my bug hunting strategy is going to be: paste the code into Microsoft Word and see what is underlined! Thank you for saving me hours of work !

  • nobulate (unregistered) 
    From: nobulate@interweb
To: thedailywtf@interweb
Subject: Comment Fixed

Mark Bowytz is this handled. It is on the list of WTFs that might could stop comment because USER no I cannot determine from what info is available that is no longer 
applies or manners or is to be concerned about?
  • (cs)

    Oh come on. Apparently Wells Fargo understands email better than the submitter, because they are aware that sometimes there can be transient delivery failures, so if an email bounces, it's worth trying again later by sending another message to the same address to see if it actually works now or is permanently bad. This is standard practice for an awful lot of mailing list software.

    tl;dr: No WTF to see here, move along.

  • Omego2K (unregistered)

    Was that an MIB reference in one of the emails?

  • Wrexham (unregistered) in reply to DaveK
    DaveK:
    ...sometimes there can be transient delivery failures, so if an email bounces, it's worth trying again later by sending another message to the same address to see if it actually works now or is permanently bad.
    Alternatively, note that the message says "We could not deliver an alert to one of your email addresses". Perhaps the submitter registered two addresses, and there's a problem with just one of them?
  • ZoomST (unregistered) in reply to Herwig
    Herwig:
    Phil:
    Shit isn't black or white:
    ZoomST:
    MightyM:
    Who scans a printout? Everyone knows the standard procedure is to photograph it on a wooden table.
    You are right, and we know because when we copy the scanned image and paste it into Word it doesn't show the wooden edge.
    I'm pretty sure the photo is meant to be polaroid... and THEN scanned in.
    No, no, no! Why use one technology from the last millenium when you can use two? FAX the polaroid!
    ...and do not forget to ask the receipient to return the mail after reading, because it is the only copy you have...
    Please show some sensitivity. My son became receipient once and I can assure you it was no laughing matter.
  • Smug Unix User (unregistered)

    Bring back Hanzo.

  • Hans (unregistered)

    [quote]I have has an erogenous amount come through on the EUR cash report for trade 665420/917517 EUR (256,450,000). {/quote]

    For a quarter billion I could get seriously exited!

  • Balu (unregistered) in reply to foo AKA fooo
    foo AKA fooo:
    0 comments. Does this mean I can post a frist comment, or that I can't?
    It's a Java Math error.
  • Greygor (unregistered) in reply to MightyM

    Our helpdesk once asked a customer to send a screen shot of the error they were getting.

    They took it with an iPhone and sent the picture to us

  • (cs)
    TDWTF:
    Apparently JAVA Math is Hard!
    Apparently Java is an acronym.
  • (cs) in reply to mikeTheLiar
    mikeTheLiar:
    TDWTF:
    Apparently JAVA Math is Hard!
    Apparently Java is an acronym.

    JAVA = Just Another Vague Acronym

  • sailsman (unregistered) in reply to Greygor

    [They took it with an iPhone and sent the picture to us] This is an issue because...?? Not everyone is aware of how to get a screenshot or use a clipping tool. They used the technology they were familiar with. It was probably faster than trying to learn a new tool.

    Captcha: quibus. Data transfer highway in the core of your computer that likes to argue with you?

  • Solo (unregistered) in reply to Hans

    The erogenous amount had been fixed. We apologize for the incontinence.

  • Franky (unregistered)

    forgive my technically challenged countrymen, it looks like you contacted the simple mountainfolk of the alps who are no indication for the average technical level of us flatlanders ;)

  • (cs)

    My guess, without having seen the time stamp, is that Trevor sent that email at dark o'clock.

  • … (unregistered)

    Note that 0.57 can't be represented exactly as a binary floating point number, so .57*100 is not exactly 57. This means that it can actually be slightly less than 57, which can yield 56 if rounded with an unsuitable method.

    This is quite a common error, so I don't see the WTF in the e-mail.

    And just because nobody cares: CAPTCHA is caecus

  • Ol' Bob (unregistered) in reply to MightyM
    MightyM:
    Who scans a printout? Everyone knows the standard procedure is to photograph it on a wooden table.

    Feh. Best practice is to carve the map onto a boulder, crate up the boulder, and ship it (collect) to the recipient. Now, if THAT doesn't teach someone to use MapQuest I don't know what will!

  • faoileag (unregistered) in reply to …
    …:
    Note that 0.57 can't be represented exactly as a binary floating point number, so .57*100 is not exactly 57. This means that it can actually be slightly less than 57, which can yield 56 if rounded with an unsuitable method.

    This is quite a common error, so I don't see the WTF in the e-mail.

    The wtf is that the sender claims this to be an error in java math, not understanding, like you do, the intricacies of working with floating point numbers on digital computers.

  • Anon (unregistered)
    Completely suitable for stay-at-home parents, pensioners and business owners who reside in their personal office during standard working hours.

    Right, because business owners are just warming chairs in their office all day...

    Having said that...right, because parents staying at home with toddlers have nothing to do all day...

  • faoileag (unregistered) in reply to sailsman
    sailsman:
    Greygor:
    They took it with an iPhone and sent the picture to us
    This is an issue because...?? Not everyone is aware of how to get a screenshot or use a clipping tool. They used the technology they were familiar with. It was probably faster than trying to learn a new tool.
    Full Ack. Although I would go one step further: not everyone is aware of what a screenshot is, or image manipulation software. Those people ask someone "how can I..." then they memorize the steps involved in the answer ("click this button, then that button on the next screen") without really understanding what they are doing.

    A couple of weeks ago someone faxed us a screenshot, so probably he hit print then fed the printout into the fax machine. And yes, the information visible on the fax did help us.

    And we all are like that every once in a while. If I have a cold and need a painkiller, I'm happy to take a couple of aspirins. Do I have to know exactly how acetylsalicylacid works? No.

  • Anon (unregistered)

    Erogenous amount? How about 80085?

  • (cs) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Erogenous amount? How about 80085?
    What's so erogenous about "sboob"?
  • Hannes (unregistered) in reply to faoileag
    faoileag:
    sailsman:
    Greygor:
    They took it with an iPhone and sent the picture to us
    This is an issue because...?? Not everyone is aware of how to get a screenshot or use a clipping tool. They used the technology they were familiar with. It was probably faster than trying to learn a new tool.
    Full Ack. Although I would go one step further: not everyone is aware of what a screenshot is, or image manipulation software. Those people ask someone "how can I..." then they memorize the steps involved in the answer ("click this button, then that button on the next screen") without really understanding what they are doing.

    A couple of weeks ago someone faxed us a screenshot, so probably he hit print then fed the printout into the fax machine. And yes, the information visible on the fax did help us.

    And we all are like that every once in a while. If I have a cold and need a painkiller, I'm happy to take a couple of aspirins. Do I have to know exactly how acetylsalicylacid works? No.

    True. We have to keep in mind that most people who don't understand technology are afraid to use it. It's expensive and if anything breaks, they would be held responsible. So they just use what they already know (like their smartphone or the fax machine) and try to give as much information as possible. It may seem stupid to the technology savvy guy to take a picture of a screen and then fax it to someone, but if it works, why shouldn't anyone do it? Just because they don't use technology like you would do it?

  • anon (unregistered) in reply to faoileag
    The wtf is that the sender claims this to be an error in java math, not understanding, like you do, the intricacies of working with floating point numbers on digital computers.

    It is an error in java math, though. It's unavoidable in any floating point math to have rounding errors for some values, yes, but 0.57*100=57 and all other outcomes are errors. The the TRWTF, though, is a programmer that's never heard of this.

  • swschrad (unregistered)

    I'm sorry, all comments must be in the form of a question...

  • 4chan (unregistered) in reply to anon
    anon:
    It is an error in java math, though. It's unavoidable in any floating point math to have rounding errors for some values, yes, but 0.57*100=57 and all other outcomes are errors.
    "A computer will do exactly what you tell him to do. That will not necessarily be what you intend to make him do".

    Java, like most if not all programming languages, will treat "0.57 * 100" as "0.57 * 100.0" and do a multiplication of two floating point numbers, the result of which is a floating point number.

    That the intention of "0.57*100" is transforming a two-digit floating point number into an integer is beyond the possibility of the compiler to know - it can't read the programmers mind.

    And therefore it is not java math's fault, but the fault of the programmer who doesn't know about the problems of floating point numbers on digital computers.

    In other words: it's a pebkac.

  • (cs) in reply to faoileag
    faoileag:
    And we all are like that every once in a while. If I have a cold and need a painkiller, I'm happy to take a couple of aspirins. Do I have to know exactly how acetylsalicylacid works? No.
    No, but it might be interesting to know how acetylsalicylic acid works...
  • (cs) in reply to ZoomST
    ZoomST:
    Herwig:
    ...and do not forget to ask the receipient to return the mail after reading, because it is the only copy you have...
    Please show some sensitivity. My son became receipient once and I can assure you it was no laughing matter.
    Actually i became precipient of your permentioning me!
  • EuroGuy (unregistered)

    I wanted to check how python dealt with 0.57*100 so I typed:

    print '%f' % 0.57*100

    I must admit that the output surprised me... (I understand my error now, no need to point it out to me, thank you very much!)

  • TheFormatter (unregistered) in reply to Hans

    In my previous job, discussing and erogenous amount of that size would have resulted in a visit to HR and a discussion of sexual harassment charges!!

  • SpammyRecruiter (unregistered) in reply to foo AKA fooo

    We FRIST for job oppurtonities!

  • Ward J (unregistered)

    Frist?

  • DWalker (unregistered)

    Yep. If someone takes a screenshot and pastes it into Word, that's fine with me. When I take a screenshot, I paste it into Irfanview and crop the part I want to keep, then save the file as (usually) a JPG.

    I don't fault non-technical users for pasting a screenshot into Word.

  • anonymous (unregistered) in reply to DWalker
    DWalker:
    Yep. If someone takes a screenshot and pastes it into Word, that's fine with me. When I take a screenshot, I paste it into Irfanview and crop the part I want to keep, then save the file as (usually) a JPG.

    I don't fault non-technical users for pasting a screenshot into Word.

    The only right way to take a screenshot is to paste it into Paint and save as a PNG.

  • Corion (unregistered)

    Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Determine If Handled?

  • (cs) in reply to Cbuttius
    <email>jason.weaverton&#3f;redacted-client.com</email>
    Was it intentional that

    a) hex entities are written like ? in XML? b) U+003f is actually a question mark and not an @ sign which is U+0040

    ?

    And for that floating point Java problem: Java since version 1.0 has a BigDecimal datatype that will handle "human readable" decimal numbers just like you expect (in as much precision and rounding modes you like) - you won't be able to do trigonometry and similar stuff on them, but in case you are doing some financial calculations, it might be a good idea to use those instead of floating point data types.

  • DWalker (unregistered) in reply to anonymous
    anonymous:
    DWalker:
    Yep. If someone takes a screenshot and pastes it into Word, that's fine with me. When I take a screenshot, I paste it into Irfanview and crop the part I want to keep, then save the file as (usually) a JPG.

    I don't fault non-technical users for pasting a screenshot into Word.

    The only right way to take a screenshot is to paste it into Paint and save as a PNG.

    That's the right way for users who know that they have Paint installed (not everyone knows about it), and who know what a PNG is. For "normal" users, pasting a picture into Word is just fine. There are bigger things to worry about.

  • ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL (unregistered)
    David is this handled. It is on the list of JIRAs that might could stop upgrade to R5 because CLIENT no I cannot determine from what info is available that is no longer applies or manners or is to be concerned about?
    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

    Oh, and your new password is !@PASSWORD@!

  • (cs)

    The proper response to Wells Fargo is to call the number at the bottom and tell them you hadn't been able to call them because their number is always busy.

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