• Swedish tard (unregistered) in reply to PeriSoft
    PeriSoft:
    So, an IT guy acts like an arrogant dickhead and is then indignant when he's not taken seriously? Sounds like SOP for TDWTF.

    This forum is full of people who whine incessantly about "idiots" who won't let them fix problems - and whose only response to that is to whine more loudly, 'fight the system', and bitch to each other about how stupid everyone else is for not listening to them.

    Two options, guys - either man up and find a strategy for fixing the problems more realistic than tilting at windmills by yelling about how you're RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT, or leave the damn business you're in and do something else. You're smart. Start your own company; move to a small company that understands quirky people; change your career entirely.

    There seems to be a huge quotient of people here who scorn their industries, their bosses, their coworkers, their customers, the work they do, and believe that they aren't making good money and have no security. So what the hell are you doing with your lives, people? Does being able to self-righteously post on TDWTF really make up for hating everything and everyone around you?

    Generally, people here chose something they love doing for a profession. As a programmer, you get your opinions pissed on by people that either dont understand you or just plain dont give a damn about your opinion on a daily basis. Add to that this whole thing with people instantly turning into raving idiots as soon as you put them in front of a computer and that everybody you know, and they know who's aware of you being a programmer expects free help with their computers. And a few odds and ends that generally makes for fairly bitter and resentful people when treated poorly, since they are treated poorly during much of their days. Not only at work...

    I know I used to feel like that, and then I moved 400 km from everyone that knew me and got a decent job as a programmer where I get to do what I feel like as long as I have a good reason for doing it. And "The code is ugly, so I refactored it" is a good reason, and if the architects agree that my code is better (which it usually is) it gets commited.

    Now Im generally a happier person. The thing is, most people just keep on going in the same old tracks. Dunno why. Habit I guess.

  • RBoy (unregistered) in reply to PeriSoft
    PeriSoft:
    This forum is full of people who whine incessantly about "idiots" who won't let them fix problems - and whose only response to that is to whine more loudly, 'fight the system', and bitch to each other about how stupid everyone else is for not listening to them.

    Let me guess, you work in management?

    Lucky, where I work, I have the ability to create any tool that I need to, in order to get the job done faster and better. As they are internal tools only, it just has to work like the users expect it to.

    Not everyone has that type of freedom. In situations where I was working on something that another department was involved in, yes, I identified the problems, came up with solutions, and you better believe that I would have kept up the bitching and pointing out the shortcomings if the changes were not made. If someone would have had a better suggestion, of course I would have considered it, but when the existing solution is shit, don't expect me to polish it and call it a day.

  • MacDaffy (unregistered)

    And the moral of this story is: It is easier to apologize for acting than it is to get permission to act.

  • (cs) in reply to MacDaffy

    An alternate moral of the story would be: Never underestimate the need for a Vogon to protect their processes from effeciencies made by people with independent thought.

  • (cs) in reply to MacDaffy
    MacDaffy:
    And the moral of this story is: It is easier to apologize for acting than it is to get permission to act.

    This is true but it's not a card you can play too often.

  • (cs) in reply to anonymous coward
    anonymous coward:
    lockser:
    What exactly is wrong with your HTML rendering?

    Well, for starters, it's not using CSS to style the emphasis. Using HTML for style rather than structure, very naughty.

    I like the idea of measuring code in feet.

    You can add it to the list of code smells.

    This code smells of unwashed feet.

  • (cs) in reply to barc0001
    barc0001:
    One of the things I don't think people are getting is that this is in the financial industry. I work IT for a financial company and I'll tell you, you just don't make changes because you think you can do it. If something does go subtly wrong, it can have huge financial consequences that will cause heads to roll.

    The director in this story is sticking to his workarounds because they've been proven to have the output results the company expects, and perhaps the time and energy it would take to test Darin's modifications to certify that the results are the same is more effort than it's worth. All Darin sees is some ass who won't let him fix a "simple problem", and the Director sees some clown who wants to start screwing with a certified process to unknown effect.

    Have you read the story? He started off by modeling an undocumented process. Not a proven process but basically an ad hoc one. Proven only in the sense that they have been working with it. Sounds like a normal and highly inteligent move which should be rewarded

    Where is the hint of a certified process? Hiring consultants to write code is more about CYA then QA. It was expensive thus must be good. But if it breaks no one who is responisble is around anymore.

    I imagine Darren did what he did becuase he was fed up and couldn't care about the job anymore.

  • JB (unregistered)

    I'm waiting for the WTF that is posted here in a few weeks from a db admin coming across the NULL field that's been changed to a string that reads "NULL". There's probably an outer join query somewhere in some lurking system that depends on the field being NULL for filtering purposes.

  • iToad (unregistered)

    Sometimes it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

  • anon (unregistered) in reply to RTapeLoadingError
    MacDaffy:
    And the moral of this story is: It is easier to apologize for acting than it is to get permission to act.

    This is precisely what my previous boss told me. She insisted it was true.

    And was incredibly indignant when I quoted it back to her when she didn't like something I'd done.

    Funny thing was, she'd picked it up from a python course, where it was used in relation to python's try-catch mechanism being very efficient.

  • Paul A. Bean (unregistered) in reply to spenk
    spenk:
    I like the idea of a rewrite of seven foot of code being classed as "modernizing" :)

    The easiest way to modernize seven feet of code is to call it 2.133 metres of code.

  • Paul A. Bean (unregistered) in reply to PeriSoft
    PeriSoft:
    So, an IT guy acts like an arrogant dickhead and is then indignant when he's not taken seriously? Sounds like SOP for TDWTF.

    This forum is full of people who whine incessantly about "idiots" who won't let them fix problems - and whose only response to that is to whine more loudly, 'fight the system', and bitch to each other about how stupid everyone else is for not listening to them.

    Two options, guys - either man up and find a strategy for fixing the problems more realistic than tilting at windmills by yelling about how you're RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT, or leave the damn business you're in and do something else. You're smart. Start your own company; move to a small company that understands quirky people; change your career entirely.

    There seems to be a huge quotient of people here who scorn their industries, their bosses, their coworkers, their customers, the work they do, and believe that they aren't making good money and have no security. So what the hell are you doing with your lives, people? Does being able to self-righteously post on TDWTF really make up for hating everything and everyone around you?

    Opinions expressed on t'internet may be less extreme than they appear

  • (cs) in reply to Paul A. Bean
    Paul A. Bean:
    spenk:
    I like the idea of a rewrite of seven foot of code being classed as "modernizing" :)

    The easiest way to modernize seven feet of code is to call it 2.133 metres of code.

    Or 0.0106 furlongs of code.

  • JG (unregistered) in reply to Geek Prime

    "The higher the intelligence, the higher the quirkiness (read-lack of tact)"

    I completely disagree. Communicating clearly in a friendly fashion is not an inverse correlation of intelligence.

  • PRMan (unregistered) in reply to barc0001
    All Darin sees is some ass who won't let him fix a "simple problem", and the Director sees some clown who wants to start screwing with a certified process to unknown effect."

    All I see is 2 people who can't communicate.

  • ffguitar (unregistered)

    I think the true WTF here... is that was just hte Page_Load method!!!!

    we have some code like that here designed by a consultant. i wonder how many feet it is? but the whole code for the entire page is in Page_Load.

    consultants are the worst and somehow seem to get paid the most.

  • Laughing Jack (unregistered) in reply to JG
    JG:
    "The higher the intelligence, the higher the quirkiness (read-lack of tact)"

    I completely disagree. Communicating clearly in a friendly fashion is not an inverse correlation of intelligence.

    So, the people commenting here are stupid, is that what you're saying?

  • (cs) in reply to belcat

    You are a retard.

    Like being "tactful" would change a bullheaded idiot like The Director.

  • (cs) in reply to PeriSoft
    PeriSoft:
    So, an IT guy acts like an arrogant dickhead and is then indignant when he's not taken seriously? Sounds like SOP for TDWTF.

    This forum is full of people who whine incessantly about "idiots" who won't let them fix problems - and whose only response to that is to whine more loudly, 'fight the system', and bitch to each other about how stupid everyone else is for not listening to them.

    Two options, guys - either man up and find a strategy for fixing the problems more realistic than tilting at windmills by yelling about how you're RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT, or leave the damn business you're in and do something else. You're smart. Start your own company; move to a small company that understands quirky people; change your career entirely.

    did you miss the part where Daren came up with solutions and was reamed by his boss for it?

    PeriSoft:
    There seems to be a huge quotient of people here who scorn their industries, their bosses, their coworkers, their customers, the work they do, and believe that they aren't making good money and have no security. So what the hell are you doing with your lives, people? Does being able to self-righteously post on TDWTF really make up for hating everything and everyone around you?

    Really? You don't find this site amusing? It is, after all, called TDWTF, right? You're too delicate for this site. Stick to PC Week. or maybe you could start your own site: suckuptothebosscozhesalwaysright.com

  • fdizzle (unregistered) in reply to Paul A. Bean
    Paul A. Bean:
    spenk:
    I like the idea of a rewrite of seven foot of code being classed as "modernizing" :)

    The easiest way to modernize seven feet of code is to call it 2.133 metres of code.

    ^ Blue-worthy, that is classic =P

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