• (cs) in reply to last
    last:
    It's not the first-ist that get me. Nor do the people who complain about them bother me.

    It's the people who complain about the people that complain about the people who type "First!" who really bug me.

    What about the people who complain about the people that complain about the people that complain about the people who type "First!"?

    Such as yourself? :)

  • awfwefewa (unregistered)

    I swear this is the gym I go to. They've tinkered with their entry/exit system so many times it's gotten annoying.

  • Mr.'; Drop Database -- (unregistered) in reply to ParkinT
    ParkinT:
    BoomWav:
    ... That would be 100 times better.

    Only four times better?

    There are 10 types of people:

    • Those who understand binary
    • Those who don't
    Your post is 1000 times funnier than the rest of the thread combined. In base 0.5.
  • A (unregistered) in reply to Smash King
    Smash King:
    ubersoldat:
    Code Dependent:
    Retinal scan. Not affected by swimming. Unless... redeye from opening them underwater?
    Please, don't give'em ideas. A gym is the *worst* place to use byometrics. The only byometrics I would use on a gym is: NONE!
    I don't know much about retinal scans, but I believe there are algorithms that do not rely upon eye color (or the amount of blood in your eye's blood vessels, in this case) to identify someone.

    Boxers often get detached retinas. Sugar Ray Leonard had to have his surgically re-attached. So, I imagine that the retina can be alter during a gym workout.

  • Buzzard (unregistered) in reply to Code Dependent
    Code Dependent:
    Retinal scan. Not affected by swimming. Unless... redeye from opening them underwater?

    Rectal scan. Not affected by anything other than lastnights dodgy curry and that funny uncle of mine.

  • Scott (unregistered)

    LOL, first thing I thought when I read finger print scanner at a gym is the dumbest thing ever, sweat would ruin the accuracy.

  • SurturZ (unregistered)

    I have a fingerprint scanner on my Lenovo Thinkpad laptop, which works great as long as I lick my finger first. I'm hoping the next model to come out has a tongue scanner instead, to save me that extra step :-P

  • kastien (unregistered)

    First!

  • Lupus.Umbrae (unregistered) in reply to Schmitter

    [quote user="Schmitter"][quote user="Jim Lard"][quote]There was no manual override option.[/quote]

    Was I the only one who saw "War Games"?[/quote]

    No, you aren't the only one who saw "War Games", but there 's "manual override anything" in almost every pre 2000 SciFi movie...

  • MetaCommenter (unregistered) in reply to last
    last:
    It's not the first-ist that get me. Nor do the people who complain about them bother me.

    It's the people who complain about the people that complain about the people who type "First!" who really bug me.

    It must be tough to dislike yourself so much. Maybe some therapy is in order?

  • Andre (unregistered) in reply to D. Travis North
    D. Travis North:
    What? No comments on the new Irish Girl?
    Nope, I only get Google adds for finger scanning equipment.
  • L (unregistered)

    So Felix's boss is an heavy-metal guitarist ? Cool...

  • cr4zy_j3p (unregistered) in reply to d.k. Allen
    d.k. Allen:
    The nuclear plant where I used to work, discovered this drawback with biometrics in very much the same way...

    hmmm... probably because their finger prints keep on mutating!!!

  • (cs) in reply to iToad
    iToad:
    So the person in front of you is coming down with the Flu of Death. They wipe their nose with their fingers and then put a snotty finger on the scanner. You come along, scan your finger, wipe your nose, and die a week later.

    Is there any way to autoclave a fingerprint reader between uses?

    It should be fine - the whole-gym autoclave will handle it.

    (What, you were objecting to the scanner, but not to all the barbells, door handles, etc., that are also handled?)

  • (cs) in reply to ParkinT
    ParkinT:
    There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't
    You're wrong. There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't - Those who understand ternary
  • (cs) in reply to Kermos
    Kermos:
    last:
    It's not the first-ist that get me. Nor do the people who complain about them bother me.

    It's the people who complain about the people that complain about the people who type "First!" who really bug me.

    What about the people who complain about the people that complain about the people that complain about the people who type "First!"?

    Such as yourself? :)

    Your troll-bait detector, your sarcasm detector and your sense of humor are all broken.

    Oh... and so are mine.

  • me (unregistered) in reply to julmu
    julmu:
    You're wrong. There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't - Those who understand ternary
    True, False, FileNotFound?
  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to D. Travis North
    D. Travis North:
    What? No comments on the new Irish Girl?
    Irish Girl is dead - there is only the serenity of AdBlock.
  • Anonymous (unregistered)

    This is retarded on so many levels. It's stupid enough to rely on the inherently unreliable mechanism of fingerprint scanning (the failings of which are extremely well documented) but you have to also consider the fact that most people don't want their gym to have their fingerprints. This is highly personal information and your local gym has no right to ask for it or store it. The only people who can legitimately have that information is the police and only then if they fucking catch me.

  • (cs) in reply to julmu
    julmu:
    ParkinT:
    There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't
    You're wrong. There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't - Those who understand ternary

    I understand binary and ternary, what do you do now?

  • (cs)

    I did a "First" once and it was a very satisfying experience. So I think all of you who complain are all just jealous of the firsters.

  • Ste (unregistered)

    Fingerprint scans have always been unreliable. Vein recognition is a more reliable and far more secure solution.

    I currently work with Finger-vein recognition and Hand-geometry recognition and both are excellent with regards to security.

    This article pretty much points out the obvious, that finger print verification is useless.

  • IByte (unregistered) in reply to Jay
    Jay:
    I'm always nervous when the only reasons given for adopting a new technology are one or more of the following:
    1. It's the latest, cutting-edge technology.[...]
    Cutting edges and trying to read fingerprints don't go together very well, it would seem to me. Sounds painful, too.
  • (cs) in reply to nonny nonny
    nonny nonny:
    Some years ago I worked for Canadian Tire (think Wal-Mart with a bias towards auto parts). Their way of clocking employees in and out was to have you put your palm on a scanner and input your employee ID. My first day on the job, as luck would have it, I injured myself and had a band-aid on my finger by the time they registered my print.

    You guessed it, after a few days when the band-aid came off, my handprint profile was different, and I was no longer able to clock in or out until they re-scanned my hand.

    Is your other hand missing, due to birth defect, trauma, etc.? Or did it perhaps have more bandages on it?

    I ask because I'm trying to figure out why on Earth you would use the hand with the bandage to register your print.

  • KooeeMan (unregistered) in reply to Andy Gottit

    Yes you can! But only 10 times (20 if you're a monkey).

  • KooeeMan (unregistered) in reply to Andy Gottit

    Oups, missed the quote...

    Andy Gottit:
    Kensey:
    TRWTF is thinking biometrics are a panacea.
    Exactly. I work in information security and somehow, as soon as you mention biometrics, everyone shuts their brains off. Ooh, this will solve all our problems because... actually, they never get as far as the because -- the brain is already off at that point.
    it's not a good idea to store passwords in plaintext, it's not a good idea to store raw fingerprint data
    Just so we're clear, a fingerprint (retina scan, ...) is not a password. It is an ID, like your username. Others can find out what it is, and you can't change it every 60 days.
  • Ageing Student (unregistered) in reply to julmu
    julmu:
    ParkinT:
    There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't
    You're wrong. There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't - Those who understand ternary
    Your wrong there are II types of people: - Those who understand Roman numerals - Those who don't
  • (cs)

    And the UK Govt. wants to biometric data capture like this for the NID. If a small "userbase" system can demonstrate such epic fail how the hell can one with over 60 million "users" hope to even begin to start?

    Not that it's stopped them wasting billions already on it...

  • Zapp Brannigan (unregistered) in reply to Kermos
    Kermos:
    last:
    It's not the first-ist that get me. Nor do the people who complain about them bother me.

    It's the people who complain about the people that complain about the people who type "First!" who really bug me.

    What about the people who complain about the people that complain about the people that complain about the people who type "First!"?

    Such as yourself? :)

    Those guys are ok, that's how we roll.

  • (cs) in reply to Ageing Student
    Ageing Student:
    julmu:
    ParkinT:
    There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't
    You're wrong. There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't - Those who understand ternary
    Your wrong there are II types of people: - Those who understand Roman numerals - Those who don't

    There are 2 types of people:

    • Those who understand base 10
    • Those who don't

    Hmm. I don't get it.

  • internetuser#1 (unregistered)

    What they need is a non-contact reader or at least not so precise as a fingerprint... Iris? Maybe the shape of the hand? Voice? Even better, RFID tags attached to your shoes or something...

    Especially for a non-critical application liek a gym...

  • nonny nonny (unregistered) in reply to Someone You Know
    Someone You Know:
    Is your other hand missing, due to birth defect, trauma, etc.? Or did it perhaps have more bandages on it?

    I ask because I'm trying to figure out why on Earth you would use the hand with the bandage to register your print.

    The scanner had an outline of a right hand with points where the fingers went. I'd have a hard time getting my left hand to fit in there, plus that would be a bit tough to explain to the boss.

    In the end it was a minimum-wage retail job, so nobody really cared too much anyway.

  • (cs) in reply to L
    L:
    So Felix's boss is an heavy-metal guitarist ? Cool...
    He can't stand a loss. He's always cross. His name is Ross. I love my boss.
  • AttentionDeficit (unregistered) in reply to amischiefr

    Indeed; until reading the two venomous responses to "First" I had zero desire to post similar inanities; now, it's all I can think of.

  • Jay (unregistered)

    In any case, I don't like giving my fingerprints to anyone. Maybe they have no desire to turn them over to the government, but if the police arrive with a court order, I'm sure they'll turn them over.

    And now that I fit several points of the U.S. government's latest profile of a potential terrorist, I want to be careful. They could be coming after me.

  • (cs)

    Our laptop has a fingerprint scanner. I wouldn't trust it for national security but it's nice that it saves me the trouble of typing in a lot of usernames and passwords. Except that often when I go to sign on to Facebook it shunts me to my hubby's windows profile instead. Which is doubly disturbing given that it SHOULD only do that from the windows login screen...

  • (cs) in reply to Code Dependent
    Code Dependent:
    Retinal scan. Not affected by swimming. Unless... redeye from opening them underwater?

    Are you serious? Your retinas don't turn red. Chlorine can make the whites of your eyes turn red(der), not the retinas.

    Unless you have VERY serious problems, like your eyeball is ruptured and water is leaking inside. But then I doubt you would be swimming...

  • (cs) in reply to L
    L:
    So Felix's boss is an heavy-metal guitarist ? Cool...

    "An" heavy metal guitarist??? I suppose that's pronounced "An 'eavy metal guitarist"...

  • Frank. (unregistered) in reply to halcyon1234
    halcyon1234:
    Ageing Student:
    julmu:
    ParkinT:
    There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't
    You're wrong. There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't - Those who understand ternary
    Your wrong there are II types of people: - Those who understand Roman numerals - Those who don't

    There are 2 types of people:

    • Those who understand base 10
    • Those who don't

    Hmm. I don't get it.

    bro its binary, ass hole

  • Teh Irish Gril Riot (unregistered)

    What we need is an implanted microchip. The back of the right hand or the forehead would work nicely.

    I know one of us is probably working on that system now. And I'm glad of that. The damn thing'll probably never work.

  • the amazing null (unregistered)

    bravo on the Deus Ex reference.

  • (cs) in reply to Chalito
    Chalito:
    I used to work for a company that built biometrics systems, particularly fingerpri... blah blah
    You forgot to say which company you worked for and how much they'll save you and the number to call.
  • (cs) in reply to Frank.
    Frank.:
    halcyon1234:
    Ageing Student:
    julmu:
    ParkinT:
    There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't
    You're wrong. There are 10 types of people: - Those who understand binary - Those who don't - Those who understand ternary
    Your wrong there are II types of people: - Those who understand Roman numerals - Those who don't

    There are 2 types of people:

    • Those who understand base 10
    • Those who don't

    Hmm. I don't get it.

    bro its binary, ass hole

    Whoosh.

  • David Emery (unregistered)

    Not being able to exit a (potentially burning) building is an OSHA violation in the US, and probably a violation of building codes, etc, in other places of the world...

    dave

  • Sane Person (unregistered) in reply to jspenguin
    jspenguin:
    D. Travis North:
    What? No comments on the new Irish Girl?

    No, everyone is running adblock.

    See how much you miss when you run ad blockers! Not only are you missing the opportunity to buy a copy of my informative and entertaining book, "A Sane Approach to Database Design", but you also miss out on the picture of the Irish Girl that accompanies the ad.

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  • Sane Person (unregistered) in reply to Strawberry Blonde
    Strawberry Blonde:
    Our laptop has a fingerprint scanner. I wouldn't trust it for national security but it's nice that it saves me the trouble of typing in a lot of usernames and passwords. Except that often when I go to sign on to Facebook it shunts me to my hubby's windows profile instead. Which is doubly disturbing given that it SHOULD only do that from the windows login screen...

    It could be even more disturbing for your husband, if he's relying on the biometric login to keep you from seeing his browser history. ;-)

  • pingmaster (unregistered) in reply to last
    last:
    It's not the first-ist that get me. Nor do the people who complain about them bother me.

    It's the people who complain about the people that complain about the people who type "First!" who really bug me.

    so....you?

  • (cs) in reply to DWalker59
    DWalker59:
    "An" heavy metal guitarist??? I suppose that's pronounced "An 'eavy metal guitarist"...
    Yep. Very 'eavy... very 'umble.
  • Content-Centric Security (unregistered)

    A larger problem is that the authentication procedures are separated from the biometric template. This leaves the supporting content subject to manipulation. All one has to do is disassociate the user from the template to impugn the system.

    So as your bank, employer, licensing bodies, gyms and others move to biometrics it will become an increasingly messy problem as people are separated from their biometric template and/or other authentication factors.

    All back-end servers holding the templates are not secured in similar fashion and ALL have vulnerabilities.

    They need to be bound together.

  • Nico (unregistered)

    The word is biceps. There is no bicep.

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