• swirve (unregistered) in reply to WTF Batman
    WTF Batman:
    Anonymous:
    It's patently ridiculous to refer to this as what the fuck. In your overzealousness to ridicule, you seem to have forgotten that an actual conversation took place while this diagram was being drawn, the diagram was referred to, elaborated upon, crossed out for emphasis and probably abandoned halfway through once the more pressing visual analogies had been established. I myself have paper all over my desk covered in numbers and such drawings, which are of little use to me right now, but were immensely helpful during a conversation with a colleague.

    While the VPs knowledge can be called into question, this diagram is not the basis for doing so.

    I'm afraid you'll have to look elsewhere today for your self-aggrandization.


    Dude. I think you're taking this wayyy to seriously. People don't come here for code pointers and serious discussion (even though I have learned a few things from comments posted here). They come here to have a chuckle at break-time.

    Obviously, you're right, but no one needs to be told that it's taken out of context. We've probably all made drawings like that for exactly the same purpose. So what? It's funny. Relax. Enjoy life.


    Fine, don't like us making fun of the drawing?  How about the wft being that a VP stops by to give a developer a high-level lesson in the technology that they've been hired to be a resident expert in.  There, now he's dumb again.
  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to swirve

    Why are random posts in this thread "locked"? :S

    for God's sakes someone needs to fix this forum software.

  • 4g00 (unregistered) in reply to maht
    Anonymous:
    here's another one : Miguel de Icaza


    You misspelled "Anonymous" 
  • p (unregistered) in reply to haveworld
    haveworld:

    The diagram is just a presentation aid.


    you mean that presentation actually AIDED her understanding??? RRRIIIGGHHHTTT - even thou someone talks about something, your listener isn't going to remember everything, a diagram should remind them of the finer points of the conversation. That picture, would remind her never to accept his invitations to lunch... ever!!
  • (cs) in reply to WTF Batman
    WTF Batman:
    Dude. I think you're taking this wayyy to seriously. People don't come here for code pointers and serious discussion (even though I have learned a few things from comments posted here). They come here to have a chuckle at break-time.

    Obviously, you're right, but no one needs to be told that it's taken out of context. We've probably all made drawings like that for exactly the same purpose. So what? It's funny. Relax. Enjoy life.

    Amen...

  • DotNot (unregistered)

    The WTF is that .NET was supposed to make things simpler, but as you can see all it did was confuse everyone (just like XML did to our INI files).

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Gene Wirchenko
    Gene Wirchenko:
    Anonymous:
    Nitehawk:
    The stick figures are a nice touch. It also appears that the [smart client] is communicating to the (Perf Stat) via morse code.


    Stick-figures are a part of the UML-specification.

    And no, this is no joke.


    Though UML is.

    Sincerely,

    Gene Wirchenko



    Sincerely,

    Lovingly,

    Happilly,

    Regards,

    Hey, I'm like writing a business letter here except it's 1980,

    Best Wishes,

    Signed,

    Contemptfuly,

    With hatred abound,

    God you are annoying,

    Yours always,

    Truely,

    Anonymous

  • erlando (unregistered) in reply to Jon
    Anonymous:
    I myself have paper all over my desk covered in numbers and such drawings, which are of little use to me right now, but were immensely helpful during a conversation with a colleague.


    Dude, you should really clean up your desk..
  • Asif Youcare (unregistered) in reply to Satanicpuppy



    Must be an SNMP OID!

  • Asif Youcare (unregistered) in reply to Asif Youcare

    Oops, I was refering to the "1.1.1.2.1.1".

  • (cs)

    I am reminded of a wise, old adage:

    One thing all organizations have in common.

    Any ORGANIZATION is like a tree full of monkeys.  When the monkeys at the top look down, all they see is a lot of smiling faces.  When the monkeys on the lower branches of the tree look up; all they see is A BUNCH OF ASSHOLES!

    "What we have here is a failure to communicate"

  • (cs) in reply to John Bigboote
    John Bigboote:
    I'm still trying to figure out what the UML diagrams are for "sh*tstorm" and "unthinkable mayhem."


    That would be stick figures with "User" and "Manager" written underneath them respectively...

    :)

    V



  • Oli (unregistered)

    I think the fact that this is a WTF is a real WTF. As said before, this was just some sketch drawn whilst talking - it's nothing without context and not particularly funny.

     

    BTW: This captcha is "anal" - that's a WTF for you

  • internet (unregistered)

    At least he used note paper and not a napkin.

  • Geof (unregistered)

    Brings back memories of being near a conference room. Went home one day with an entire pizza minus 1 slice. When the security guards figured it ou too, then it became a sport to see if we could raid the room before they did.

    Anyway, that creature near the Smart Client looks like a praying mantis.

  • (cs) in reply to Oli
    Anonymous:
    I think the fact that this is a WTF is a real WTF. As said before, this was just some sketch drawn whilst talking - it's nothing without context and not particularly funny.

    You think that only because this situation is so common that you have become numb to it, and no longer realize how much of a WTF it is.

    Step back, take a deep breath and think. Was there any purpose to the conversation? Is there any reason for ANY vice president of any company (including Microsoft) to understand .net better than programmers, on a level that is of use to programmers? (There are parts of .net that are useful more to managers - business advantages that programmers don't care about)

    If Anne had stopped by my cube to explain .net she may have created a diagram just like that one. It would not be a WTF, because it would be a diagram of two programmers communicating. I know very little about .net, while presumably Anne knows a lot about it, and can speak on the same level as me (we are both programmers so we know what is useful to the other).

    A VP should be a good businessman. There are advantages to .net from a business standpoint. The VP should know them. (not to mention the disadvantages, and the significance of each - most of the advantages are not that great)

    That diagram looks technical. It isn't explaining business cases, it is explaining technical things. Except this is a non-technical person explaining things to a technical person.

    Now there are VPs who are good programmers, but they are rare, and know enough to not explain things to good developers so we can rule out the case where the VP knows what he is talking about.

  • (cs) in reply to John Hensley
    Anonymous:
    In fairness to Bill, the WTF doesn't say anywhere that Anne is a .net developer (using VS.NET doesn't mean squat), and there's a surprising number of intelligent programmers (e.g. Joel Spolsky) who at some point thought they had .net all figured out but really had no clue.


    And I still have no clue what .NET is or how it's supposed to help me.  It's sorta like that poem on a grecian urn: I know that .NET is irrelevant, and that is all I really know on earth and all I need to know.

  • Amused (unregistered) in reply to CSI Pat
    Anonymous:
    This is clearly a crime scene. Just look to the right of the SmartClient [:P]


    Most.  Awesome.  Comment.  Evah!

  • MauMan (unregistered)

    Yes, I lost all of my NPCs on that game level too...

  • Eat my VB (unregistered) in reply to BlackTigerX
    BlackTigerX:

    Anonymous:

    True enough. I wrote a Master's Thesis in CS with stick figures in it. No joke either.

    True enough... like in, barely true, that is almost false, but is not false, because is enough true?[:P]



    Perhaps more green than red? Brown?
  • (cs)

    For sure, Java can not compete with that.

  • (cs) in reply to Anonymous

    Anonymous:

    Sincerely,

    Lovingly,

    Happilly,

    Regards,

    Hey, I'm like writing a business letter here except it's 1980,

    Best Wishes,

    Signed,

    Contemptfuly,

    With hatred abound,

    God you are annoying,

    Yours always,

    Truely,

    Anonymous

    At this point, I'm starting to respect Gene for keeping his retarded signature and ignoring everyone who makes fun of him.

    Sincerely,

    Your mom

  • (cs) in reply to manman

    I deem this the funniest comment on the entire site.

  • (cs) in reply to manman
    Anonymous:
    Anonymous:

    I mostly do numerical analysis stuff, and have never touched on .NET.

    As in never, ever.

    Can someone give me a link to a good outline on what is so powerful about it?

    Thanks,
    plizak



    Here is a basic over of it.

    Let me try that again.  I deem the quote above the funniest comment on the entire site.

    If it doesn't work this time, I quit.

  • Ann E Onymous (unregistered) in reply to Pope

    If Anne is ugly, it's a WTF.

    If she isn't the VP is just hitting on her, using his best "lines".

  • Also Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous

    Anonymous:
    Sincerely,

    Lovingly,

    Happilly,

    Regards,

    Hey, I'm like writing a business letter here except it's 1980,

    Best Wishes,

    Signed,

    Contemptfuly,

    With hatred abound,

    God you are annoying,

    Yours always,

    Truely,

    Anonymous

     

    That might have been funnier if you hadn't misspelled "truly".

  • author (unregistered)

    Seems clear to me. He highlights that the clients are smart and know what they want.. They're at the top because they are the most important and the next most important is ann the developer who is using 3 displays, an ergonomic keyboard and an oversize mousemat.

    Anne's work fires straight out from her machine, killing their competitor.  His body is sent round on the ferris wheel of doom and deposited in the datawarehouse where it is later used to power the star network in the bottom of the diagram along with the ferris wheel.  Version 1.1.1.2.1.1.2 is clean and efficient.

  • (cs) in reply to author
    Anonymous:
    Seems clear to me. He highlights that the clients are smart and know what they want.. They're at the top because they are the most important and the next most important is ann the developer who is using 3 displays, an ergonomic keyboard and an oversize mousemat.

    Anne's work fires straight out from her machine, killing their competitor.  His body is sent round on the ferris wheel of doom and deposited in the datawarehouse where it is later used to power the star network in the bottom of the diagram along with the ferris wheel.  Version 1.1.1.2.1.1.2 is clean and efficient.

    The problem with the document is that management no longer has plausible deniability.  They can not simply blame a rogue developer snapping.

    Sincerely,

    Gene Wirchenko


  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Also Anonymous
    Anonymous:

    That might have been funnier if you hadn't misspelled "truly".



    Yeah that totally takes away from it, doesn't it. I couldn't edit it.
  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Gene Wirchenko
    Gene Wirchenko:
    Anonymous:
    Seems clear to me. He highlights that the clients are smart and know what they want.. They're at the top because they are the most important and the next most important is ann the developer who is using 3 displays, an ergonomic keyboard and an oversize mousemat.

    Anne's work fires straight out from her machine, killing their competitor.  His body is sent round on the ferris wheel of doom and deposited in the datawarehouse where it is later used to power the star network in the bottom of the diagram along with the ferris wheel.  Version 1.1.1.2.1.1.2 is clean and efficient.

    The problem with the document is that management no longer has plausible deniability.  They can not simply blame a rogue developer snapping.

    Sincerely,

    Gene Wirchenko




    AGHHHHHHH.

    Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? It says your name 3 inches up and to the left, you don't need to sign forum messages like it's a letter to your gay lover in brazil.
  • BrazilianRentBoy (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous

    Gene, you were supposed to keep me a secret!

  • (cs)

    Microsoft should feature this diagram on their .NET homepage.

  • Geof (unregistered) in reply to seizethedave

    seizethedave:
    Microsoft should feature this diagram on their .NET homepage.

    As the "before" picture, of course...

  • mark (unregistered) in reply to marvin_rabbit

    That’s an excellent counter-strike map. Downloading…<o:p></o:p>

  • Annonny Mice (unregistered)

    Why do people waste time defending WTF's?  This site is obviously meant to make people laugh.  If you don't think something is a WTF, fine, but we really don't care to hear about it.  Do you enjoy popping little kids balloons at the fair too?

  • (cs) in reply to Annonny Mice
    Anonymous:
    Why do people waste time defending WTF's?  This site is obviously meant to make people laugh.  If you don't think something is a WTF, fine, but we really don't care to hear about it.  Do you enjoy popping little kids balloons at the fair too?

    Following your way of thinking, why do people waste time posting in the forum at all? Alex might as well take out the editor and replace it with a simple poll:
    ( ) *lol*
    ( ) oh, my eyes, it hurts
    ( ) gotta drag this guy out to shoot him
    ( ) the real WTF here is that he is using xyz
    ( ) that's horrible.
    ( ) I've seen that before.
    ( ) Brillant!
    ( ) Sincerely, Gene W.

    But wouldn't take that away the most fun part of TDWTF - trolling?
  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to WTF Batman

    WTF Batman:

    Agreed. I just found it amusing that he's trying to explain the merits of .NET to a .NET developer! Heh.

    You say that as if ".NET developer" automatically means someone who knows wtf they're doing.

    Having said that, one manager I know when asked to clarify what a Web Service was said "It's just like HTML"

  • shizuka (unregistered)

    the sad reality is that this is actually what .NET is all about.

  • (cs) in reply to ammoQ
    ammoQ:

    Following your way of thinking, why do people waste time posting in the forum at all? Alex might as well take out the editor and replace it with a simple poll:
    ( ) *lol*
    ( ) oh, my eyes, it hurts
    ( ) gotta drag this guy out to shoot him
    ( ) the real WTF here is that he is using xyz
    ( ) that's horrible.
    ( ) I've seen that before.
    ( ) Brillant!
    ( ) Sincerely, Gene W.

    But wouldn't take that away the most fun part of TDWTF - trolling?


    You have forgotten
    ( ) f1rst!!@!
    ( ) I'm going to defend this because, in my dark secret heart, I know I have written similar code
    ( ) Insert javascript joke
    ( ) Generate random slam against VB
  • Alice (unregistered) in reply to What the fag

    They're called 'actors' in UML. I thought it was a joke too when I was first introduced to it. They're very handy though - except when external/unknown systems are suddenly a stick figures in your usecase or sequence diagrams ...

  • (cs) in reply to Alice
    Anonymous:
    They're called 'actors' in UML. I thought it was a joke too when I was first introduced to it. They're very handy though - except when external/unknown systems are suddenly a stick figures in your usecase or sequence diagrams ...


    These "actors" are IMO nothing else than the "external entities" in the context diagrams in SA (structured analysis); so the UML guys mostly re-invented the diagrams of SA and similar methods, but arbitrarily choose fancy icons (stickmen, clouds etc.) instead of the "boring" circles and squares. Yeah, UML is OO and stuff, but this is ridiculous. Imagine C++ using "YourHappyFixedSizeNumber" instead of "int", just to show how much more OO it is compared to C.
  • (cs) in reply to ammoQ
    ammoQ:
    Anonymous:
    They're called 'actors' in UML. I thought it was a joke too when I was first introduced to it. They're very handy though - except when external/unknown systems are suddenly a stick figures in your usecase or sequence diagrams ...


    These "actors" are IMO nothing else than the "external entities" in the context diagrams in SA (structured analysis); so the UML guys mostly re-invented the diagrams of SA and similar methods, but arbitrarily choose fancy icons (stickmen, clouds etc.) instead of the "boring" circles and squares. Yeah, UML is OO and stuff, but this is ridiculous. Imagine C++ using "YourHappyFixedSizeNumber" instead of "int", just to show how much more OO it is compared to C.


    I like where you're going with this. Now, "YourHappyFixedSizeNumber" is okay but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. "int" is pretty good but since it's C++, we need to represent that added happiness.

    Thus, "hint"

    Think about it.

    sincerely,
    Richard Nixon
  • ROR (unregistered) in reply to Richard Nixon

    ...er,

    ...I use headphones!

    as well as hunching over in my chair

    with my back facing the cubicle's entrance.

    That way, if they interrupt me (usually by tapping my shoulder, etc.) they get

    a deserving SIGH!

    Thanks,

    ROR

     

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