• Gurth (cs) in reply to profke
    profke:
    all that one wants to know about belgians, and their gouvernment(s) http://zapatopi.net/belgium/
    There, much more accurate.
  • chubertdev (cs)

    So basically if everything that is weird about Quebec AND Newfoundland was a country, it would be Belgium.

  • PiisAWheeL (cs) in reply to ObiWayneKenobi
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    The real WTF is obviously languages other than 'Murican!
    FTFY.
  • emaNrouY-Here (unregistered) in reply to herby
    herby:
    Cogo the Barbarian:
    There have been a number of countries where the only "official" language has been the one of the powerful minority, rather than the powerless majority.)
    <sarcasm> Like here in the USA where "English" is more or less official, and "Spanish" is used by a powerless majority?? </sarcasm>

    If the last election proves anything, they aren't powerless. The illegals had plenty of chances to vote multiple times in certain states that have no voter ID laws.

  • urza9814 (unregistered) in reply to emaNrouY-Here
    emaNrouY-Here:
    herby:
    Cogo the Barbarian:
    There have been a number of countries where the only "official" language has been the one of the powerful minority, rather than the powerless majority.)
    <sarcasm> Like here in the USA where "English" is more or less official, and "Spanish" is used by a powerless majority?? </sarcasm>

    If the last election proves anything, they aren't powerless. The illegals had plenty of chances to vote multiple times in certain states that have no voter ID laws.

    Oi, not this crap again. Admittedly, I only know about Pennsylvania as that's where I was living during the build-up to the last election, but they were trying to pass a voter ID law there, claiming rampant voter fraud and such...and time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a single case of actual in-person voter fraud. Not one. Several independent sources (newspapers and such) conducted investigations, and the only "fraud" they found were one or two cases where somebody signed the wrong line in the poll book so it appeared that a dead guy had voted...when in reality the signature belonged to the guy one line down. Then a couple months later the leader of the state GOP admitted at a press conference that the entire reason they were pushing voter ID is because they thought it would limit turnout of Democratic supporters.

    ...not that I'm a Democratic supporter either, just FYI. Happened to agree with them on this issue, but I didn't vote for any.

  • danielpauldavis (unregistered)

    Different country, same government

  • chubertdev (cs) in reply to urza9814
    urza9814:
    Oi, not this crap again. Admittedly, I only know about Pennsylvania as that's where I was living during the build-up to the last election, but they were trying to pass a voter ID law there, claiming rampant voter fraud and such...and time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud. Not one. Several independent sources (newspapers and such) conducted investigations, and the only "fraud" they found were one or two cases where somebody signed the wrong line in the poll book so it appeared that a dead guy had voted...when in reality the signature belonged to the guy one line down. Then a couple months later the leader of the state GOP admitted at a press conference that the entire reason they were pushing voter ID is because they thought it would limit turnout of Democratic supporters.

    ...not that I'm a Democratic supporter either, just FYI. Happened to agree with them on this issue, but I didn't vote for any.

    "Can you provide one example of something that NO ONE keeps track of?"

    ahahahahahahaha

  • DB (unregistered) in reply to Ironside
    Ironside:
    "and David was ranked top man."

    This is David, he's our Top Man.

    David we need you to travel immediately to Istanbul. The President's daughter has fallen sick and as our Top Man we recognize you are the Best Man For The Job.

    Extreme Caution David, the President's daughter is hooked up to an Oracle DB and has been lain low by an SQL injection. We need you to put a logic bomb through her back door.

    hahahahaahaha! Two-thumbs up.

  • no laughing matter (cs) in reply to chubertdev
    chubertdev:
    urza9814:
    Oi, not this crap again. Admittedly, I only know about Pennsylvania as that's where I was living during the build-up to the last election, but they were trying to pass a voter ID law there, claiming rampant voter fraud and such...and time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud. Not one. Several independent sources (newspapers and such) conducted investigations, and the only "fraud" they found were one or two cases where somebody signed the wrong line in the poll book so it appeared that a dead guy had voted...when in reality the signature belonged to the guy one line down. Then a couple months later the leader of the state GOP admitted at a press conference that the entire reason they were pushing voter ID is because they thought it would limit turnout of Democratic supporters.

    ...not that I'm a Democratic supporter either, just FYI. Happened to agree with them on this issue, but I didn't vote for any.

    "Can you provide one example of something that NO ONE keeps track of?"

    ahahahahahahaha

  • drake (unregistered) in reply to Greg
    Greg:
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.
    Except for the fact that spelling is identical for Dutch and Flemish while certain words have a very different meaning e.g. "zeuren" (Netherlands: nagging, Belgium: cheating), "poepen" (Netherlands: having a shit, Belgium: having sex).

    Yes, because eating spotted dick and smoking a fag mean exactly the same in America and Britain...

  • Kivi (cs) in reply to chubertdev
    chubertdev:
    urza9814:
    Time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud.

    "Can you provide one example of something that NO ONE keeps track of?"

    ahahahahahahaha

    "During the Bush Administration, the Justice Department initiated a five-year crackdown on voter fraud, but only eighty-six people were convicted of any kind of election crime."

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/29/121029fa_fact_mayer

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  • PRMan (unregistered) in reply to drake
    drake:
    Greg:
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.
    Except for the fact that spelling is identical for Dutch and Flemish while certain words have a very different meaning e.g. "zeuren" (Netherlands: nagging, Belgium: cheating), "poepen" (Netherlands: having a shit, Belgium: having sex).

    Yes, because eating spotted dick and smoking a fag mean exactly the same in America and Britain...

    In America, you can go to a restaurant and get stuffed. You probably wouldn't do that in Australia.

    In Australia, you can borrow a rubber from your classmate and use it right there in class. You probably wouldn't do that in America.

  • chubertdev (cs) in reply to Kivi
    Kivi:
    "During the Bush Administration, the Justice Department initiated a five-year crackdown on voter fraud, but only eighty-six people were convicted of any kind of election crime."

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/29/121029fa_fact_mayer

    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

  • urza9814 (unregistered) in reply to chubertdev
    chubertdev:
    urza9814:
    Oi, not this crap again. Admittedly, I only know about Pennsylvania as that's where I was living during the build-up to the last election, but they were trying to pass a voter ID law there, claiming rampant voter fraud and such...and time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud. Not one. Several independent sources (newspapers and such) conducted investigations, and the only "fraud" they found were one or two cases where somebody signed the wrong line in the poll book so it appeared that a dead guy had voted...when in reality the signature belonged to the guy one line down. Then a couple months later the leader of the state GOP admitted at a press conference that the entire reason they were pushing voter ID is because they thought it would limit turnout of Democratic supporters.

    ...not that I'm a Democratic supporter either, just FYI. Happened to agree with them on this issue, but I didn't vote for any.

    "Can you provide one example of something that NO ONE keeps track of?"

    ahahahahahahaha

    Except they do. Just because you don't have to show a photo ID doesn't mean they don't keep any records. One of the frequent claims was that dead people were voting. So, go look through that poll books and find me a single dead person who apparently voted, THEN I'll consider accepting that as a valid argument for why we need to spend millions of dollars and potentially disenfranchise over a tenth of the entire population.

    If you're making the claim that dead people or undocumented immigrants or whatever are voting illegally -- well, either that's based on some kind of evidence, or you're just pulling the idea out of your ass. And if you refuse to show me even a single scrap of evidence, I can only assume you're pulling it out of your ass -- and that's not what we should be basing legislation on, particularly when it requires millions in expenditures and affects something as important as voting rights for millions of people.

    Doesn't help their case when they outright admit the legislation is purely designed to help their guy win.

  • urza9814 (unregistered) in reply to urza9814
    urza9814:
    chubertdev:
    urza9814:
    Oi, not this crap again. Admittedly, I only know about Pennsylvania as that's where I was living during the build-up to the last election, but they were trying to pass a voter ID law there, claiming rampant voter fraud and such...and time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud. Not one. Several independent sources (newspapers and such) conducted investigations, and the only "fraud" they found were one or two cases where somebody signed the wrong line in the poll book so it appeared that a dead guy had voted...when in reality the signature belonged to the guy one line down. Then a couple months later the leader of the state GOP admitted at a press conference that the entire reason they were pushing voter ID is because they thought it would limit turnout of Democratic supporters.

    ...not that I'm a Democratic supporter either, just FYI. Happened to agree with them on this issue, but I didn't vote for any.

    "Can you provide one example of something that NO ONE keeps track of?"

    ahahahahahahaha

    Except they do. Just because you don't have to show a photo ID doesn't mean they don't keep any records. One of the frequent claims was that dead people were voting. So, go look through that poll books and find me a single dead person who apparently voted, THEN I'll consider accepting that as a valid argument for why we need to spend millions of dollars and potentially disenfranchise over a tenth of the entire population.

    If you're making the claim that dead people or undocumented immigrants or whatever are voting illegally -- well, either that's based on some kind of evidence, or you're just pulling the idea out of your ass. And if you refuse to show me even a single scrap of evidence, I can only assume you're pulling it out of your ass -- and that's not what we should be basing legislation on, particularly when it requires millions in expenditures and affects something as important as voting rights for millions of people.

    Doesn't help their case when they outright admit the legislation is purely designed to help their guy win.

    If you want to make the argument than we need it to try to protect against these hypothetical threats -- fine, I have no problem with having that debate. But that's not how it's ever brought up. Note how it was brought up here -- the implication was very clearly that undocumented immigrants DID vote multiple times and it DID change the result. Show me the evidence or STFU.

  • chubertdev (cs)

    I'm making the argument that politics are always based on false arguments, and the equivalent site would probably be hourlypoliticswtf.

  • emaNrouY-Here (unregistered)

    Granted these are just points of reference to a much bigger problem.

    1. A lady this past week admitted she voted twice for Obama. This was in Ohio. She didn't admit to voter fraud, though. ...ummm

    2. A person in OH or PA knew that a friend was not voting. She went to the polling station, stated she was her friend and received the ballot. She then stated, with a loud voice, "I am not who I stated I am. Look how easy it is to vote multiple times." She then ripped up the ballot, thus not actually violating any laws.

    3. 60 districts across OH and PA had 100% votes for Obama. 0 for any other candidate. This is a statistical anomaly. Not even Reagan got that.

    4. At least one district in FL had 149% voter turnout. Reviewing FEC documents, it turns out in this election where only less than 30% of the populace turned out, there were quite a number of districts in OH and PA (inner city districts) where voter turnout was at or above 100%.

    No, there's no voter fraud states the professional wrestling judge.

    Are Democrats the only ones to do this? Nope, but they don't call it Chicago Politics for nothing.

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  • urza9814 (unregistered) in reply to emaNrouY-Here
    emaNrouY-Here:
    Granted these are just points of reference to a much bigger problem. 1. A lady this past week admitted she voted twice for Obama. This was in Ohio. She didn't admit to voter fraud, though. ...ummm
    1. A person in OH or PA knew that a friend was not voting. She went to the polling station, stated she was her friend and received the ballot. She then stated, with a loud voice, "I am not who I stated I am. Look how easy it is to vote multiple times." She then ripped up the ballot, thus not actually violating any laws.

    2. 60 districts across OH and PA had 100% votes for Obama. 0 for any other candidate. This is a statistical anomaly. Not even Reagan got that.

    3. At least one district in FL had 149% voter turnout. Reviewing FEC documents, it turns out in this election where only less than 30% of the populace turned out, there were quite a number of districts in OH and PA (inner city districts) where voter turnout was at or above 100%.

    No, there's no voter fraud states the professional wrestling judge.

    Are Democrats the only ones to do this? Nope, but they don't call it Chicago Politics for nothing.

    Thanks for the refences. Some of these are certainly problematic...some less so. Number two is the only one that actually could be prevented by Voter ID though.

    Precints voting 100% Obama, for example...that's partly a result of gerrymandering pushing voters of one party or another into a single precint; and partly it's just general demographics. In one of those referenced Philadelphia precints, for example, the population is 94% black. There were a grand total of seven white people counted on the census. Not a huge shock that a precint full of urban, minority, probably low-income voters went for Obama. Even at 100%. Same thing happened in some areas of Philly 2008 and in 2004. Also keep in mind that the Romney campaign probably didn't even bother campaigning in these areas, since there was little hope of winning.

    Most concerning are the 'over 100% turnout' arguments. As I said, my arguments were mostly limited to Pennsylvania, and that wasn't a significant issue there. There have been some complaints of districts being "over 100%", but what they're actually measuring there is not over 100% of the number of registered voters, but over 100% of the number of voters who signed in (not sure if this is the case with other states reporting this). So some people voted without signing the poll books. Problematic, sure, but not necessarily fraudulent. And more importantly, Voter ID would be USELESS at stopping something like that. You need more poll workers to ensure people sign the books; whether or not those people show ID when doing so is irrelevant in this case.

    And voter ID wouldn't have stopped the poll worker voting multiple times either -- the problem is not that she claimed to be someone else, the problem was that there was no coordination between the absentee ballots and the in-person voting.

  • Nolbby Bitz (unregistered) in reply to emaNrouY-Here
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  • glurk (unregistered) in reply to Ironside

    Bomb. Logic Bomb.

  • Mr.Burns (unregistered) in reply to ObiWayneKenobi
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    <sarcasm> The real WTF is obviously languages other than American. </sarcasm>

    you mean 'murican' ?

  • AndyCanfield (cs) in reply to n/a
    n/a:
    Louis:
    An auditor, the president's daughter, and an admiral walk into a bar, [...]
    Here, good sir, take my like... I mean, FILE_NOT_FOUND.
    Mine too! My contract ends soon, but I'm not worried. My career is taking off!
  • Swedish tard (unregistered) in reply to Steve The Cynic
    Steve The Cynic:
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    <sarcasm> The real WTF is obviously languages other than American. </sarcasm>
    Such arrogance. But at least you admit that your so-called language isn't English.

    Of course it isnt. He's speaking about spanish...

  • Severity One (cs) in reply to Greg
    Greg:
    Except for the fact that spelling is identical for Dutch and Flemish while certain words have a very different meaning e.g. "zeuren" (Netherlands: nagging, Belgium: cheating), "poepen" (Netherlands: having a shit, Belgium: having sex).
    Thank goodness I married a Maltese woman and not a Belgian one. She may nag, but at least she's faithful, and that second word is just too disturbing to think about.
  • Severity One (cs) in reply to Marvin the Martian
    Marvin the Martian:
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.
    Not true.

    For example, Dutch TV tends to subtitle programmes made by Flemish TV. (Actually, they sometimes subtitle any random person who doesn't come from the Dutch heartland, `the Randstad', whether understandable or not.)

    It depends really on how thick the accent is, and how far removed from the standard language. After all, Dutch is mainly based on the Hollandic and Brabantian languages/dialects, and not so much on Flemish, Limburgish or West Low German (Nedersaksisch), let alone Frisian.

    The average Flemish newscaster, correspondent or politician would not get subtitled.

    Being Flemish, everybody replied to me in English even after living 5years in Amsterdam, even if only speaking 2-3words at first, and even when persisting in replying in Dutch (well, in simplified Flemish). It's not just a matter of different dialect words, it's also differences in sentence structure -- the Dutch have a mortal fear of sub-clauses.

    People always replied in Dutch to my Spanish girlfriend's attempts on (the life of) Dutch, annoyingly.

    I'll give you a moment to ponder upon that. What do you think it tells you about your command of Dutch? :)

    All in all an incomprehensible situation, as the other way around there has never been any problem in understanding. I blame mass culture -- 17million people being fed a standardized language ('eenheidsworst') and hence being incapable of understanding the 6million who live one hour driving south and speak the same language.
    Thing is, Dutch will understand their own language or dialect, and the standard Dutch spoken in the Netherlands. The standard Dutch spoken in Belgium is perfectly understandable, too, but dialects aren't.

    Being from Dutch Limburg, I can understand, more or less, both Frisian and the (East) Flemish some lady spoke to me in the lovely city of Gent (Ghent), but to follow a film like 'Rundskop' without subtitles will prove a challenge even to me. German would probably be easier to follow.

  • fgfg (unregistered) in reply to Louis
    Louis:
    Just then the VP of Global Sales walked in with a billion dollars stuffed in his suit pockets...

    He throws the money about him and says "My new colleague Mrs. Paula Bean has come up with this brillant idea that will make us gazillions of $$ in no time. Drinks for all!"

  • chris (unregistered) in reply to Fred
    Fred:
    Louis:
    Just then the VP of Global Sales walked in with a billion dollars stuffed in his suit pockets...
    OMG Don't stop there!!! What happened next? Does anyone have pictures they can post?
    Only if they want to be sued by a billionaire.
  • Mr Bean (unregistered) in reply to Bobby Tables
    Bobby Tables:
    Ironside:
    the President's daughter has been lain low by an SQL injection.
    You bet she was! Little Bobby has grown up.

    I used to have a colleague who pronounced "SQL" as "Squeal".

    As in "SQL, little piggy, SQL!"

  • Swedish tard (unregistered) in reply to Mr Bean
    Mr Bean:
    Bobby Tables:
    Ironside:
    the President's daughter has been lain low by an SQL injection.
    You bet she was! Little Bobby has grown up.

    I used to have a colleague who pronounced "SQL" as "Squeal".

    As in "SQL, little piggy, SQL!"

    Im one of those.

  • ColdHeart (unregistered) in reply to ObiWayneKenobi
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    <sarcasm> The real WTF is obviously America. </sarcasm>

    FIFY :-p

  • Bobby Tables (unregistered) in reply to Mr Bean
    Mr Bean:
    Bobby Tables:
    Ironside:
    the President's daughter has been lain low by an SQL injection.
    You bet she was! Little Bobby has grown up.

    I used to have a colleague who pronounced "SQL" as "Squeal".

    As in "SQL, little piggy, SQL!"

    As if you watched me with the President's daughter ...

    Wait, did you? Where's the camera?

  • Zemm (cs) in reply to hymie
    hymie:
    some pony:
    B*LGI*M!

    Really, now, there's no need for that kind of language.

    I do not approve of this gratuitous censoring!

    This is a serious screenplay.

  • Martin (unregistered) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    Oh come on. It's a lovely place. Driven through it from one side to the other taking a few hours to do so multiple times. Delightful motorways.

    Except when you reach that clusterfuck that is Antwerp, of course, then you're completely up the fucking paddle without a creek.

    ISWYDT. Totally agree though - Antwerp and, in fact, anywhere around Brussels are to be totally avoided at all costs when trying to get somewhere else.

    Marvin the Martian:
    For example, Dutch TV tends to subtitle programmes made by Flemish TV. (Actually, they sometimes subtitle any random person who doesn't come from the Dutch heartland, `the Randstad', whether understandable or not.)

    Australian TV does this with Aboriginal speakers. I (as an English person) had no difficulty whatsoever understanding 95% of those who were being subtitled.

    Bizarrely, I now work with subtitling software.

  • Martin (unregistered) in reply to Severity One
    Severity One:
    I can understand, more or less, both Frisian and ...

    Moo?

    Sorry, couldn't stop myself. I'll get my coat.

  • EuroGuy (unregistered) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    Oh come on. It's a lovely place. Driven through it from one side to the other taking a few hours to do so multiple times. Delightful motorways.
    Now I know you're making this up. There are countries in central Africa with better motorways than Belgium.
  • gnasher729 (unregistered) in reply to emaNrouY-Here
    emaNrouY-Here:
    3. 60 districts across OH and PA had 100% votes for Obama. 0 for any other candidate. This is a statistical anomaly. Not even Reagan got that.

    Jim diGriz would find someone who swears under oath that they voted Republican in one of these districts.

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  • jay (unregistered)

    Any claims of people double-voting are of necessity going to be anecdotal. Unless someone confesses or is caught red-headed, how would you know? I can't imagine how we could collect statistics on how many people engaged in vote fraud without some fundamental change to the system to make it traceable.

    It's an interesting problem, actually: How do you have a secret ballot and at the same time prevent vote fraud? Voter-id could make it tougher for people to double vote. But what if poll workers or other election officials decide to cheat? Frankly I think there's more danger from a few partisan activists in the right positions who could falsify hundreds or thousands of votes than from an occassional individual double voting, or even an organized campaign to double vote. I think it was Joseph Stalin who said that it doesn't matter who's allowed to vote, all that matters is who counts the votes.

  • DonkeyRyan (cs)

    Yay Dan.

    Who's leg do you have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

  • no laughing matter (cs) in reply to gnasher729
    gnasher729:
    emaNrouY-Here:
    3. 60 districts across OH and PA had 100% votes for Obama. 0 for any other candidate. This is a statistical anomaly. Not even Reagan got that.

    Jim diGriz would find someone who swears under oath that they voted Republican in one of these districts.

    So tell us how a voter id law would have prevented that?

    Or did that "someone" actually vote both democratic and republican in multiple votes, but only one of his votes was counted?

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  • Anonymous NSW Resident (unregistered)

    That last part (the delay while building a new building) sounds just like the New South Wales government in Australia...

    I used to work for one of their departments, and it was exactly like that - buy products and employ people, and only after that do you decide if the buildings can actually fit it all in.

  • Gunslinger (unregistered)

    So, TRWTF is Belgium.

  • Gunslinger (unregistered) in reply to Nolbby Bitz
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  • Norman Diamond (unregistered) in reply to foo
    foo:
    Wikipedia:
    Snopes receives more complaints of liberal than conservative bias,[23] but insists that it applies the same debunking standards to all political urban legends. FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and found them to be free from bias in all cases. FactCheck noted that Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to vote in US elections) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was once registered as a Republican. "You’d be hard-pressed to find two more apolitical people," David Mikkelson told them.[23][24]
    Many Canadian citizens are able to vote in US elections because they have a US parent. Many of them now are learning the hard way that dual citizenship with the US isn't a good idea any more but voting isn't the reason.

    Canadians who have been outside Canada for less than 5 years can still vote in Canada too. Or they can return home and vote immediately.

    I'm not allowed to vote in Japan even though the DPJ, who ruled from 2009 to 2012, personally addressed a postcard to me asking me to vote for them. Also I'm not allowed to give money to campaigns. But I would be allowed to do things like putting up posters and distributing flyers. I know who's the least of 8 evils and which party I'd have done that for if I had free time. As despicable as politics is, alien status does not automatically imply being apolitical.

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