• (cs) in reply to QJo
    QJo:
    More frist.

    more late is more like it.

  • verto (unregistered) in reply to Miriam
    Miriam:
    I just noticed that they forgot the most important truthiness value! WORSE_THAN_FAILURE And of course, the negated counterpart: BETTER_THAN_FAILURE
    And since DISCOURSE = FAILURE, we can easily rewrite those as: WORSE_THAN_DISCOURSE, BETTER_THAN_DISCOURSE
  • (cs) in reply to Leon
    Leon:

    Also, Discourse must die!!

    No. This course is very good software. All of us need to use it.

  • (cs) in reply to Pock Suppet
    Pock Suppet:
    klc:
    cellocgw:
    You just need to redefine right/wrong as a distance function.

    Then 'tomato is a vegetable' gets a value of -1, 'tomato is a little-league baseball' gets -100, and "tomato is a suspension bridge" gets a value of -1e6.

    If you purchase that tomato from a grocery store in winter it may be functionally equivalent (and equivalent in taste) to a little league baseball. So maybe -2.
    Where else am I going to purchase a tomato in winter? Fly to the opposite hemisphere and find a local farmer?

    Tropical country like India sell tomato all year around. Come check our local markets.

    [image]
  • Harrow (unregistered) in reply to Miriam
    Miriam:
    TRWTF is Big Bang Theory's popularity. It just gets boring after a few episodes and the characters are all so very cliché. How in the world did it manage to stick around for so long?
    Jim Parsons.
  • Prof. Foop (unregistered)

    MoreTrueThanFalse TrueEnough AlmostTrue SortaTrue Truish IDunno WhoCares

  • Dan (unregistered) in reply to TDWTF
    TDWTF:

    Or a processor.

  • Female (unregistered)

    I really feel it should be true, and if you were even a little bit sensitive you'd agree.

  • Dr. Sheldon Cooper (unregistered) in reply to Sheldon Cooper
    Sheldon Cooper:
    kilroo:
    Some Random Idiot:
    Miriam:
    TRWTF is Big Bang Theory's popularity. It just gets boring after a few episodes and the characters are all so very cliché. How in the world did it manage to stick around for so long?

    Penny

    knock knock knock

    Penny

    knock knock knock

    Penny

    knock knock knock

    ... you bastards left it hanging long enough ...

  • (cs) in reply to Dr. Sheldon Cooper
    Dr. Sheldon Cooper:
    Sheldon Cooper:
    kilroo:
    Some Random Idiot:
    Miriam:
    TRWTF is Big Bang Theory's popularity. It just gets boring after a few episodes and the characters are all so very cliché. How in the world did it manage to stick around for so long?

    Penny

    knock knock knock

    Penny

    knock knock knock

    Penny

    knock knock knock

    ... you bastards left it hanging long enough ...

    Oh, what do you want, Sheldon?

  • Mariachi (unregistered) in reply to DQ

    Sheldon is extra-wrong, because the statement he’s objecting to (“you could not be more wrong”) is not contradicted by his assertion that right/wrong is binary and therefore wrongness cannot have a “more.” “You could not be more wrong” and “One cannot be ‘more’ wrong” are not in opposition.

    So there’s that.

  • Norman Diamond (unregistered) in reply to graybeard
    graybeard:
    When simulating digital circuits (which are made of analog parts), you easily find yourself in a situation where "booleans" are not so black and white, such as..
    • True
    • False
    • Not connected
    • Possibly True
    • Possibly False
    • Invalid

    ..where "possibly" signals get overwritten by the "strong" signals if in the same net, and "invalid" is caused by having both True and False in the same net.

    No FILE_NOT_FOUND there yet, though..

    The explanation of what happens when you have "Possibly True" and "Possibly False" in the same set, without any "strong" signal to overwrite it, is located in another file. You haven't found it yet.

  • Norman Diamond (unregistered) in reply to Extra Spicy Vindaloo
    Extra Spicy Vindaloo:
    Probably a throw back from doing COM+ interop between C++ and VB6

    VB6 True = -1 C++ True = 1 VB6 / C++ False = 0

    I remember writing code that looked like

    if result <> false then if result = True then ' result comes from vb else ' result comes from c++ end if end if

    If you were doing COM+ in C++ surely you used VARIANT_BOOL, VARIANT_TRUE, VARIANT_FALSE, and VARIANT_FILENOTFOUND?
  • Norman Diamond (unregistered) in reply to faoileag
    faoileag:
    qazwsx:
    TheDawgLives:
    So, (True + MoreTrue) == False?

    Makes perfect sense.

    It's like how "Yeah, right" actually means "BS"
    But it only works in one directtion - "No" + "No!!!" + "NO!!11eleven" will never mean "Yes".
    No shit.

  • BusDriverMan (unregistered) in reply to faoileag
    faoileag:
    DQ:
    Bah. Tomatoes. Boring stuff. For some real innovation see EU Council Directive 2001/113/EC which declares carrots to be fruit.
    EU law is mostly for convenience. They probably wanted to give fruit-grower subsidies to carrot farmers and this was the easiest way.
  • mrputter (unregistered)

    4 pages of comments and not a single mention of Heyting Algebras??

  • (cs)

    It's really quite simple.

    MoreFalse is more than True. MoreTrue is more than False.

  • (cs) in reply to mrputter
    mrputter:
    4 pages of comments and not a single mention of Heyting Algebras??

    The CS putzes around here wouldn't know a lattice if it was an ordered arrangement of ions for them. Never mind a bounded lattice with implication.

  • Norman Diamond (unregistered) in reply to Captain Oblivious
    Captain Oblivious:
    mrputter:
    4 pages of comments and not a single mention of Heyting Algebras??
    The CS putzes around here wouldn't know a lattice if it was an ordered arrangement of ions for them. Never mind a bounded lattice with implication.
    Lattice is a vegetable.

    Heyters gonna heyt.

  • (cs) in reply to chubertdev
    chubertdev:
    QJo:
    TRWTF is that both "False" and "More False" have the same ID...? I confess to not having a particularly strong grasp on the intentions of the developers involved here -- it's going to need a debrief session *and* a code review. And I think an earlier-than-scheduled career appraisal is in order as well.

    No, this requires Steve the Cynic's GAU-8.

    Ready!

  • (cs) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    Steve The Cynic:
    Has the world truly forgotten the formula translator? I didn't say NE. I said dot enn ee dot. Now go look up FORTRAN...
    And LaTeX.
    A brief investigation suggests that FORTRAN came before LaTeX, and before TeX which also came before LaTeX.
  • turist (unregistered) in reply to Mariachi
    Mariachi:
    Sheldon is extra-wrong, because the statement he’s objecting to (“you could not be more wrong”) is not contradicted by his assertion that right/wrong is binary and therefore wrongness cannot have a “more.” “You could not be more wrong” and “One cannot be ‘more’ wrong” are not in opposition.

    So there’s that.

    Now here's T-R-Sheldon

  • (cs) in reply to Prof. Foop
    Prof. Foop:
    MoreTrueThanFalse TrueEnough AlmostTrue SortaTrue Truish IDunno WhoCares
    You forgot:
    • Meh
    • KindaSorta
    • NotReally
    • DefinitelyMaybe
    • IfYouSaySo
    • IDoubtIt
    • IDontThinkSo
  • faoileag (unregistered) in reply to Norman Diamond
    Norman Diamond:
    Captain Oblivious:
    mrputter:
    The CS putzes around here wouldn't know a lattice if it was an ordered arrangement of ions for them
    Lattice is a vegetable.
    That triggered something... Bacon, lattice and tomatoe sandwich. Meat, veg and fruit! Probably one of the healthiest foods around!!
  • cyborg (unregistered) in reply to faoileag
    faoileag:
    Norman Diamond:
    Captain Oblivious:
    mrputter:
    The CS putzes around here wouldn't know a lattice if it was an ordered arrangement of ions for them
    Lattice is a vegetable.
    That triggered something... Bacon, lattice and tomatoe sandwich. Meat, veg and fruit! Probably one of the healthiest foods around!!

    Just give me the bacon lattice.

  • cyborg (unregistered) in reply to cyborg

    Bacon lattices are a thing! Amazing.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bacon+lattice

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to faoileag
    faoileag:
    Iggy:
    RB:
    Well, we have you beat on that one, pizza is a vegetable!

    well, logically assume the following. Vegetables grow on trees. cacao beens grow on trees.

    therefore chocolate is a vegetable

    In Germany you can buy a cutting board with such reasoning as imprinted message: Because cocoa grows on trees, chocolate is sorta fruit!

    Oh you Germans and you legendary sense of humour.

  • Neil (unregistered) in reply to Mariachi
    Mariachi:
    Sheldon is extra-wrong, because the statement he’s objecting to (“you could not be more wrong”) is not contradicted by his assertion that right/wrong is binary and therefore wrongness cannot have a “more.” “You could not be more wrong” and “One cannot be ‘more’ wrong” are not in opposition.
    So what you're saying is that Sheldon could not be more wrong?
  • Neil (unregistered) in reply to Walky_one
    Walky_one:
    Iggy:
    well, logically assume the following. Vegetables grow on trees. cacao beans grow on trees.

    therefore chocolate is a vegetable

    Plainly wrong. Vegetables don't grow on trees. (Depending on the definition of vegetables we may have "none grow on trees" or "not all grow on trees").

    The closest I can make is: Vegetables grow on plants. cacao beans grow on trees. trees are plants. chocolate is made from cacao beans.

    therefore chocolate is made from vegetables

    I thought it was much simpler than that:

    Beans are vegetables. Chocolate is made from cocoa beans. Therefore chocolate is a vegetable.

  • rob (unregistered)

    I really like how MS (and others) shade bold when highlighted text is bolded,

    Maybe they could adjust the shading based on the number of characters bolded when highlighted text includes both bold and unbolded characters?

    They could use values like EntirelyTrue, MostlyTrue, HalfTrue, SometimesTrue, SeldomTrue, EntirelyFalse

    These could drive the level of shading used for indiacting when a selection is bolded.

    What does everyone think?

  • cyborg (unregistered) in reply to Neil
    Neil:
    Walky_one:
    Iggy:
    well, logically assume the following. Vegetables grow on trees. cacao beans grow on trees.

    therefore chocolate is a vegetable

    Plainly wrong. Vegetables don't grow on trees. (Depending on the definition of vegetables we may have "none grow on trees" or "not all grow on trees").

    The closest I can make is: Vegetables grow on plants. cacao beans grow on trees. trees are plants. chocolate is made from cacao beans.

    therefore chocolate is made from vegetables

    I thought it was much simpler than that:

    Beans are vegetables. Chocolate is made from cocoa beans. Therefore chocolate is a vegetable.

    I believe it would be a vegetable extract (that's what's listed on Coca-Cola cans in the UK at least).

    Whether a vegetable extract is a vegetable I leave to metaphysical discussion.

  • (cs) in reply to Steve The Cynic
    Steve The Cynic:
    Matt Westwood:
    Steve The Cynic:
    Has the world truly forgotten the formula translator? I didn't say NE. I said dot enn ee dot. Now go look up FORTRAN...
    And LaTeX.
    A brief investigation suggests that FORTRAN came before LaTeX, and before TeX which also came before LaTeX.

    LaTeX is current and therefore relevant. FORTRAN is not and so isn't.

  • (cs) in reply to cyborg
    cyborg:
    Bacon lattices are a thing! Amazing.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bacon+lattice

    And there was me expecting to link to a mathematical object named after the mathematician Clara Bacon, but it turns out her work was mainly in elliptic functions.

  • (cs) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    faoileag:
    Iggy:
    RB:
    Well, we have you beat on that one, pizza is a vegetable!

    well, logically assume the following. Vegetables grow on trees. cacao beens grow on trees.

    therefore chocolate is a vegetable

    In Germany you can buy a cutting board with such reasoning as imprinted message: Because cocoa grows on trees, chocolate is sorta fruit!

    Oh you Germans and you legendary sense of humour.

    Funny you should say that, but I've been working with some German guys recently. They do indeed have an excellent sense of humour, which is based around the legendary inferiority of the French.

  • Captain Troll (unregistered)

    false true neither both falsey truey enterprisey not even wrong friendzoned being not-being may be may be not

  • (cs) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    Funny you should say that, but I've been working with some German guys recently. They do indeed have an excellent sense of humour, which is based around the legendary inferiority of the French.

    So a funny German is one that steals American jokes about the French?

  • programmer (unregistered)

    I once heard a talk by a woman, who claimed that all programming languages are based on male logic, and this is the reason why there are almost no female software developers. Maybe that's what she was thinking about.

    I was sitting next to a female computer scientist/ mathematician. After the talk, she asked "What is female logic?" The answer was...well...if it was an answer, it was not satisfactory. I am just glad that a woman asked. The talker was this kind of feminist who would blame a male person just for the question.

    Also the speaker was a doctorate in social science. I guess she did not know anything about programming, maybe she failed an introductory course once.

  • Darth Darth (unregistered) in reply to TDWTF
    TDWTF:

    Is that a Sith maxim, or is it not an absolute?

  • Meep (unregistered) in reply to HerrDerSchatten
    HerrDerSchatten:
    Yes, MS has it in Office (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/microsoft.office.core.msotristate.aspx) - but there are five (!) values in it, but values other than True / Flase are not supported.

    I thinkt the state "msoTriStateMixed" is explainable: It will be returned when you have a group of checkboxes of mixed state - in that case the state of the group is neither true nor false. msoTriStateToggle could be the currently selected checkbox etc. But why msoCTrue?

    A WAG, but here goes:

    In C, !0 == 1, msoCTrue. C distinguishes between logical and bitwise boolean operations.

    In VB, not 0 = -1, msoTrue. -1 is the bitwise negation of 0 in signed integer arithmetic.

  • cyborg (unregistered) in reply to programmer
    programmer:
    Also the speaker was a doctorate in social science. I guess she did not know anything about programming, maybe she failed an introductory course once.

    These people are shit stirring idiots - the only problem is that people actually listen to them and they can sustain a living with their drivel.

  • Joel Croteau (unregistered)

    A tomato is a fruit and a vegetable. The two sets are not mutually exclusive. Other examples of plants belonging to both sets would be squash, and cucumbers. Also the supreme court has held that for taxation purposes, a tomato is a vegetable.

  • dude (unregistered) in reply to Joel Croteau
    Joel Croteau:
    A tomato is a fruit and a vegetable. The two sets are not mutually exclusive. Other examples of plants belonging to both sets would be squash, and cucumbers. Also the supreme court has held that for taxation purposes, a tomato is a vegetable.

    The supreme court held that tomato is not a fruit, because the majority of people don't think they are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden

  • justcool393 (unregistered)

    I guess they really did a bit more.

  • Jay (unregistered) in reply to dude
    dude:
    Joel Croteau:
    A tomato is a fruit and a vegetable. The two sets are not mutually exclusive. Other examples of plants belonging to both sets would be squash, and cucumbers. Also the supreme court has held that for taxation purposes, a tomato is a vegetable.

    The supreme court held that tomato is not a fruit, because the majority of people don't think they are.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nix_v._Hedden

    U.S. law also says that a corporation is a person. Which is good and useful when resolving contract disputes, not so much when discussing biology.

    When I was in elementary school a teacher was trying to explain the physics concept of "work", as in work = force x distance. She said, "You may say you're doing a lot of work when you do your homework, but a physicist would say, no, you're not doing much work at all." Even as a kid I thought, No, that's silly. I'm sure a physicist would say that he is doing a lot of work when he sits back in his chair staring at the ceiling thinking hard about the nature of sub-atomic particles. There is no reason why a technical definition from one field should have much of anything to do with a technical definition from another field, or from the common use of the word.

    My point being: Citing a court decision to prove a scientific question isn't a very persuasive argument. Even if the judge knows a lot about science, it may not be relevant to the case at hand.

  • Jay (unregistered) in reply to TDWTF
    TDWTF:

    Really? Do ONLY Siths deal in absolutes? That sounds like a very absolute statement.

    Like when people say, "There is no such thing as absolute truth." My thought is, "Oh. Is that statement true?"

  • Wyrd (unregistered)

    lol.

    Wait a minute, why did they define ExtraFalse to be the same as False?

    -- Furry cows moo and decompress.

  • Essex Kitten (unregistered) in reply to Steve The Cynic
    Steve The Cynic:
    np:
    or does VB complain (even though <> is a strange way to imply !=)
    BASIC has done not-equals with <> more or less from the beginning. And it isn't the only language that uses <> for not-equals - consider the Pascal family of languages - and overall, giving the chronology of programming languages, that makes != a strange way of expressing <>, and both of them a strange way of expressing .NE..

    Must have missed languages that use these then: /= and =/=

    Those are some crazy symbols.

  • Mitur Binesderti (unregistered) in reply to Tux "Tuxedo" Penguin

    The real WTF is that anyone is still using Hungarian notation.

  • Mitur Binesderti (unregistered) in reply to programmer
    programmer:
    I was sitting next to a female computer scientist/ mathematician. After the talk, she asked "What is female logic?"

    That's where the correct answer doesn't matter, you complain about how all the other logic problems are "so fake," and you constantly ask if the equation makes you look fat.

  • lenswipe (unregistered)

    Gotta love that compound key...

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