• Crabs (unregistered) in reply to real_aardvark
    real_aardvark:
    Crabs:
    Also, rain on your wedding day is ironic, because it's supposed to be good luck, even though you would normally perceive that as being pretty crummy.
    Nope, try again.

    It might qualify as a category error, but it doesn't qualify as irony.

    Now: if it rained on the wedding day of the bloke who dumped Alanis -- that would be ironic.

    Dictionary.com:
    Irony ... (Literary device definitons) ... 5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
    In this case, the expected outcome is that rain on your wedding day is bad. However, to the contrary, it's good. Hence, Irony. Are we through?
  • (cs) in reply to Petey
    Petey:
    Dude seriously... if you can't feel the WTF-uckery here, something is wrong with you.
    WTF-uck is fuck-uckery?
  • Steve (unregistered)

    I can't believe you all missed TRWTF...

    There is no document control number, revision level, or revision date on the form! That company is in extreme danger!

  • ROFLCOPTER (unregistered) in reply to ratnerstar

    LOL, would not want to just download one of the million free help desk packages.

  • Harrow (unregistered) in reply to Zylon
    Zylon:
    mmmCoffee:
    Ah, but the fax machine is broken because it fell on your legs and crushed them, so now you can't walk. Now what do you do?
    I fashion bionic legs out of parts from the fax machine.
    You are not allowed to salvage the fax machine without a LAN Form. Now what do you do?
  • (cs) in reply to James
    James:
    This is like that literary critic's writeup of the Alanis Morissette song -- all those things that happen aren't actually *ironic*, they're just "a series of bummers". Likewise, this isn't really a WTF, more than a sad admission that there's a process in place that's a bit more painful than it needs to be.

    Where I work, your timesheet needs to go on a certain standard form. Somebody wrote their own app to track your time in/out and leave usage, and print up a filled-in copy of the sheet, which you could sign and submit hard-copy. Payroll didn't like the app, because it tracked your leave for you, but didn't rectify the balances with the Official System, so if you hosed your balances, you might think you had more leave than you really do and take too much from a given category.

    So they eventually (years and years later) got around to producing a PDF timesheet you can fill in yourself (with fewer features than the old app, of course), and told everybody to stop using the old homebrew app. Someday, they'll start taking the PDF forms electronically, but for now we're still printing them and submitting hardcopy. The moral of the story? All these form submissions should happen through a webapp. It's a manifestly better system. But it takes time and effort (read: money), and the "technical debt" simply isn't great enough to warrant the investment.

    You must be the biggest POS around to even mention an Alanis Morrisette song!

    YOU my friend are teh WTF!

  • the.backslash.enthusiast (unregistered) in reply to ratnerstar

    Not print it out and mail it?

  • Mark (unregistered)

    The real WTF is that they didn't use Lotus Notus to implement LAN Form.

  • Feek (unregistered) in reply to Corporate Cog
    Corporate Cog:
    Zylon:
    Indima:
    What on earth is wrong with this? The form does exactly what it is supposed to do. It's only used internally in the organization, so it doesn't matter how it look. The only consequence of it being a screenshot instead of a document, is that the admins get less calls asking how to open it. It gives a nice papertrail, so that everyones ass is covered. Absolutely not a WTF.
    The real WTF is you.

    The real WTF is you.

    Wow, you really showed him.

  • Steve (unregistered)

    in regards to support

    The real WTF is this twisted little combination of words. Are you to be having trouble connecting words to the other?

  • The Fake WTF (unregistered) in reply to ratnerstar
    ratnerstar:
    java.lang.Chris;:
    I love the way it's got options for IBM compatible and MacIntosh, but the former is already selected. I'd be straight outta luck anyway - my machine's a Sun workstation.

    Don't worry - they'll scan the form in, add a Sun option using Photoshop, and email you a jpeg.

    Actually, I was surprised that they had a PNG in the first place. Usually they pick JPEG just to make the text that much less readable and tell you you're stupid and it doesn't matter because you can "just crank the quality up to maximum on a JPEG to get rid of the artifacts" ...

    Which reminds me of that SlickEdit ad to my left, asking for reasons not to try it. I love how blurry the text looks...

  • QwikFix (unregistered) in reply to Mark
    Mark:
    The real WTF is that they didn't use Lotus Notus to implement LAN Form.

    Ow... my head asploded

  • Izzy (unregistered) in reply to TP
    TP:
    There will be fun situations when your network or the printer is broken, and you can't get them fixed without filling LAN form. Unfortunately filling the form requires working printer and network. MU.
    You should have a few dozen blank copies filed in your desk in case that ever happens.
  • similis (unregistered) in reply to genitus
    genitus:
    Zylon:
    I fashion bionic legs out of parts from the fax machine.

    Your bionic leg malfunctions and starts randomly kicks people in the arse as you walk by. You pass by a campus police officerand kick um square in the arse! Now what would you do?

    Enjoy a while night of S&M sex with four police officers a number of follow evil-dooers and take the paper in the next morning.

  • dolor (unregistered) in reply to similis
    similis:
    genitus:
    Zylon:
    I fashion bionic legs out of parts from the fax machine.

    Your bionic leg malfunctions and starts randomly kicks people in the arse as you walk by. You pass by a campus police officerand kick um square in the arse! Now what would you do?

    Enjoy a wild night of S&M sex with four police officers a number of follow evil-dooers and take the paper in the next morning.
    Fuck man, all that arse action has affected you ability to type. This leads to your request being rejected. Now what do you do?

  • Bob (unregistered)

    The new Macs are Intel based and thus are x86 or "IBM compatible".

  • (cs)

    The real WTF is that I once upon a time worked as a contractor at a place that had a 5-page LAN Form.

    It had 'required' fields marked on all five pages. No field was actually required, unless the service you needed had pertinent fields in that section - and then all the required fields in that section were actually required. Of course, this wasn't documented.

    It had duplicate fields - IIRC, there were no less than three places for one to fill out "requestor's name". One never actually had to enter it more than once, due to the above rule. However, since that rule was not documented, many people filled in all three "requestor's name" fields, all three "requestor's employee id", and so forth.

    It was required in full. If all of your pertinent data was in the second section on page 3, you still needed to fax in the four blank sheets, or it was round filed. The pages needed to be faxed in order, or it was round filed.

    Some of the fields required sensitive information. If one was needing the type of service requested by that particular section, one would generally have access to that information. However, since the 'required' fields limit was not documented, this was frequently an obstacle. (I knew many people who had simply faxed forms with those fields blank, or filled with 'N/A' or "I don't know", and hoped for the best, and never discovered that they officially had no need to fill out any parts of that section.)

    The LAN Form at my former workplace was faxed to an office where two secretaries worked. They received the forms, typed them in to a fresh LAN Form, printed that out, and snail-mailed that to the helpdesk. The helpdesk did the real processing.

    My run-in with the group was because my manager had the nerve to have me put up a self-service web page. This only handled one section on the LAN Form, but it allowed a great many users to bypass said form, as it was the most frequently used section (conveniently located on the third page, for those who are curious.) They discovered our audacity when one of the two secretaries noticed that their pile of faxes to be processed was getting smaller rather than larger.

    They tried to get us to restrict our service forms to the helpdesk. When the CIOs (not sure how they had more than one, but apparently they did) found out about this, they tried to get us to expand our service forms to cover the whole LAN Form.

    Somehow, my boss managed to fight off both changes. (One might think the added responsibility would be a good thing, but we had no tie-in to all of the other groups, and did not want to work with them any more than we needed to.)

    Instead, the CIOs kicked off an 'optimize the LAN Form' effort, which included such revolutionary things as:

    1. email the typed-up LAN Forms to the helpdesk, rather than using US mail.

    2. re-organize the sections so that some more frequently used sections were on the first page.

    3. Eliminated those sections which could be handled by web page self-service pages; replacing them with a little blurb indicating which web page one needed to go to.

    4. Allowed people to email LAN Forms to the two secretaries (the initial attempt was to allow them to go straight to the helpdesk, but both the secretaries and the helpdesk wouldn't have that), instead of only being able to fax them.

    5. It was suggested (but never approved) to give the secretaries the necessary access to convert the LAN Forms to helpdesk tickets directly. This was rejected because "they couldn't give that kind of access to a customer" (the helpdesk being outsourced, and all.)

    Eventually, the average turn-around time on the LAN Forms was reduced from over a month to less than a day. I left before that happened, but I heard that the secretaries never did get the slow-down they'd feared when they objected to our web pages. Instead, they got some additional responsibilities, and a pay raise.

  • Montoya (unregistered) in reply to ratnerstar

    White-out, my friend :)

  • (cs) in reply to Crabs
    Crabs:
    real_aardvark:
    Crabs:
    Also, rain on your wedding day is ironic, because it's supposed to be good luck, even though you would normally perceive that as being pretty crummy.
    Nope, try again.

    It might qualify as a category error, but it doesn't qualify as irony.

    Now: if it rained on the wedding day of the bloke who dumped Alanis -- that would be ironic.

    Dictionary.com:
    Irony ... (Literary device definitons) ... 5. an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
    In this case, the expected outcome is that rain on your wedding day is bad. However, to the contrary, it's good. Hence, Irony. Are we through?
    I'll grant you your choice of dictionary, even though a two-bit website can hardly be regarded as authoritative.

    Given that, however, it's no wonder that you had to go down as far as the fifth definition to find anything resembling support for your position.

    Alanis is obviously not intending

    (1) The use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning

    (unless this is meta-irony, and she's talking about her own use of the word 'ironic.')

    I doubt she even understands (2)literary or (3)socratic irony.

    As with (1), this might be (4) dramatic irony, in that the actor (Alanis) thinks that it's an ironic situation while the audience knows it's not.

    I'll leave (7) and (8) as obviously inappropriate, so we're left with your choice of (5) and its companion, (6) the incongruity of this.

    Even on this basis, you're not putting up much of a defence. What expected outcome?

    (a) If your expected outcome is that rain will make the day miserable, then this is only ironic if the old wives' tale is correct, and it brings you luck instead. Since this is superstitious drivel, and rain will indeed make the day miserable, no irony is involved. (b) If your expected outcome is that rain will in this case bring you luck, then you may well be an idiot, but there's still no irony involved. Luck either happens or it doesn't. The song does not go on to mention that the rain short-circuits a power generator and burns the church down while the bride and groom are still in it, which might be construed as ironic on this basis.

    I won't even bother to go into the various other things deemed 'ironic' in this idiotic song, although they don't exactly bolster your interpretation.

    Interestingly, Wikipedia notes that 'there is a fundamental incongruity in a song titled "Ironic" which ultimately contains no irony, an interpretation that Morissette herself has supported,' so perhaps you picked the wrong definition after all.

  • iMalc (unregistered)

    Print before faxing? Bah, I wouldn't waste paper on that - Save trees! Printing directly to a Fax printer driver is reasonably common nowdays.

    Heck I know someone who has their signature scanned. Just drop that image on in the right place and away you go.

  • erlando (unregistered) in reply to real_aardvark
    real_aardvark:
    I'll grant you your choice of dictionary, even though a two-bit website can hardly be regarded as authoritative.

    ..snip..

    Interestingly, Wikipedia notes that 'there is a fundamental incongruity in a song titled "Ironic" which ultimately contains no irony, an interpretation that Morissette herself has supported,' so perhaps you picked the wrong definition after all.

    Wikipedia can hardly be called authoritative on this (or any other) matter. You might even call it a "two-bit website".

    Isn't that ironic...

  • Dave Coulier (unregistered)

    Oh come on. Everyone knows the song's ironic because it contains no examples of irony.

  • Justin Wright (unregistered)

    LOL, Whatever happened to LAN Parties? Those used to be so much fun. Anyoen remember those parties?

    JT http://www.ULtimate-Anonymity.com

  • (cs) in reply to erlando
    erlando:
    real_aardvark:
    I'll grant you your choice of dictionary, even though a two-bit website can hardly be regarded as authoritative.

    ..snip..

    Interestingly, Wikipedia notes that 'there is a fundamental incongruity in a song titled "Ironic" which ultimately contains no irony, an interpretation that Morissette herself has supported,' so perhaps you picked the wrong definition after all.

    Wikipedia can hardly be called authoritative on this (or any other) matter. You might even call it a "two-bit website".

    Isn't that ironic...

    No, not as such.

    I loathe and despise Wikipedia and its ludicrous cult of the mass amateur, but I think I'm justified in linking to it for a simple (albeit second-hand) quote; particularly when I qualify my conclusion with the modifier "perhaps." Chances are that this quote accurately represents La Morissette's public pronouncements. Not much of a loss if it doesn't. And cetainly better than no reference at all.

    I'm not so keen on replacing scholarship, no matter how home-brewed, with a brain-dead reference to a palpably inferior source of information.

    One hundred and fifty years, and counting, of massed etymological expertise in the Oxford English; something like two hundred in Websters; honourable mentions for Chambers and Collins and the rest.

    How hard can it possibly be to thumb through an actual authority and type the result in, rather than relying on a cut and paste of the only point in some on-line piece of shit that gives the (false) appearance of backing up your otherwise meretricious and illogical argument?

  • turingcomplete (unregistered)

    It's like you have a 50 year old secretary running the IT department who doesn't think anything is "real" unless it's printed out in hard copy. The poor trees. The 5-year retention is icing on the cake. Where's the leadership in the org? This is brutal.

  • (cs)

    Damn, this form is way to similar to my company's form to access the internet. The dumbest part is, we split up the forms into 3.

    Novell, Lotus Notes & Lan access... wargghh!

    http://darkartsmanagement.blogspot.com/

  • Finibus Bonorum (unregistered) in reply to Justin Wright
    Justin Wright:
    LOL, Whatever happened to LAN Parties? Those used to be so much fun. Anyoen remember those parties?

    JT http://www.ULtimate-Anonymity.com

    In order to have a LAN Party now, you have to fill out [in triplicate] a LAN Form first...

  • Intoxicating Retardation (unregistered)

    As someone who works at a security vendor that suffered a major virus outbreak, I can certainly second the need to keep track of which MAC/IP address belongs to which jack (and things get even more interesting when you bring in virtualization and potentially multiple MAC addresses on a single NIC). A LAN Form is a pretty reasonable way to do so as long as it works well for everyone. I do know that after the incident described above, we DID have lab guys go around with printed excel spreadsheets collecting info similar to what the LAN Form has.

  • · (unregistered) in reply to Bob
    Bob:
    The new Macs are Intel based and thus are x86 or "IBM compatible".
    Whilst the Macs before that were PowerPC based, thus based on IBM technology, as opposed to the Intel one you're somehow thinking makes a PC. Hint: neither the new Macs, nor AT&T UNIX boxen, nor SGI Visual Workstations are IBM PC-compatible. Of those, Macs are sometimes made to run modern PC OSes using an addon called "Boot Camp". Which in turn couldn't run on an IBM PC, of course, but it's been a few years since people nearly quit the "100% IBM PC compatible" lie.
  • anonymous_coder() (unregistered) in reply to ·
    ·:
    Bob:
    The new Macs are Intel based and thus are x86 or "IBM compatible".
    Whilst the Macs before that were PowerPC based, thus based on IBM technology, as opposed to the Intel one you're somehow thinking makes a PC. Hint: neither the new Macs, nor AT&T UNIX boxen, nor SGI Visual Workstations are IBM PC-compatible. Of those, Macs are sometimes made to run modern PC OSes using an addon called "Boot Camp". Which in turn couldn't run on an IBM PC, of course, but it's been a few years since people nearly quit the "100% IBM PC compatible" lie.
    <pedant>Um - have you actually used the new Macs? They've got a full-fledged PC BIOS emulation layer. Works great with Linux, BSD and Windows XP. You only need Boot Camp if you're trying to coexist with the EFI firmware, OS X 10.4 and earlier, and other operating systems.</pedant>

    Plus, Boot Camp isn't even sold for OSX 10.5. - I use rEFIt for my dual-boot Macbook Pro for work, mostly because it's slightly easier than the bootloader in the firmware. Don't name-drop old UNIX hardware to make a point when you don't have all the facts.

  • (cs) in reply to Corporate Cog
    Corporate Cog:
    Zylon:
    Indima:
    What on earth is wrong with this? The form does exactly what it is supposed to do. It's only used internally in the organization, so it doesn't matter how it look. The only consequence of it being a screenshot instead of a document, is that the admins get less calls asking how to open it. It gives a nice papertrail, so that everyones ass is covered. Absolutely not a WTF.
    The real WTF is you.

    The real WTF is you.

    No, TRWTF is you all.

  • (cs) in reply to citking
    citking:
    2) Pretend, for a second, you are a 56 yr old woman working on a Word document and not an IT professional. You need a color printer installed for the brochure you are working on for a vice chancellor. Now, as that woman, what do you do?

    FTFY

  • (cs) in reply to iMalc
    iMalc:
    Print before faxing? Bah, I wouldn't waste paper on that - Save trees! Printing directly to a Fax printer driver is reasonably common nowdays.

    Heck I know someone who has their signature scanned. Just drop that image on in the right place and away you go.

    I didn't know you can do that

    http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/I-Didn%e2%80%99t-Know-You-Could-Do-That!.aspx

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    blu ray to wmv, blu ray dvd to mpeg converter, blu ray dvd to psp converter.

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