Hater: At the risk of a bit of troll-feeding, here's a delightful editorial perpetrated by Robert "redpaw" Jung, once upon a time. Take it to heart, troller.

2011-10-30 Reply Admin

Nagesh:
da Doctah:
password: the biggest wtf:
why 14......it makes you wonder....whats so special about 14?

It's the only even number of sides for which there are no convex deltahedra (solid geometric figures with each face an equilateral triangle). I thought everybody knew that.
Lern sumthing new every day.

plz sendez codez (in eclipse) for generating convex deltahedra

kthxbai

2011-10-30 Reply Admin

l33t pr0gr4mer:
password: the biggest wtf:
the biggest wtf which a lot of people would miss is, why is the maximum character length for the password 14?
shouldn't they be converting all passwords into MD5 or SHA1 at least? in which case I could type in 12343578975643 characters and still would end up with a 32 or 40 byte MD5/SHA1 hash

so then you wonder, why do they have a maximum which seems arbitary? why not max 255 chars? I could understand that, or perhaps 64 something with a "boundary"

why 14......it makes you wonder....whats so special about 14?
Well, it would be 15, but I need a null terminator...

Actually not quite as silly as it sounds...Qutie possibly, the back end code is written in C and the junior dev programming it thought to use an array which he declares to be some fixed length. Having graduated from Uni, he knew that people sometimes want passwords longer than 6, even 8 characters. Thinking 10 would be too small, he then had to consider how big would be adequate. Scared to use more memory than required, he felt 20 characters would be excessive and decided that 15 was a nice round number. As he was sanity testing his original plan, he realised that the boundary case where the password length was 15 wasn't working so well, and (being an intelligent graduate) he realised that the reason 15 wasn't always working as intended, was because C requires a null terminator. This effectively meant that he could only allow 14 characters of password in his buffer.

Of course, all the kids on here who have never experienced anything that doesn't dynamically allocate memory wouldn't realise this, so it is a credit to this Grad to have produced such fine checking...

da Doctah · 2011-10-30 Reply Admin

Maaaaaaaaate:
Having graduated from Uni, he knew that people sometimes want passwords longer than 6, even 8 characters. Thinking 10 would be too small, he then had to consider how big would be adequate. Scared to use more memory than required, he felt 20 characters would be excessive and decided that 15 was a nice round number.

Oooh, it's 1979 all over again!

That was the year I was called upon to extract separate name, address, city, state, etc fields from a file of ten thousand undelimited mailing-address labels. (Seriously; the file was just line-line-line-line-page feed-line-line-page feed- for as long as it took to run off a batch of newsletter stickers.)

But I digress.

Since there had never been separate fields, I had to find algorithms for best guess on breaking up first, middle and last name (we wanted to be able to alphabetize the output file), and also city, state and zip code, and had to make a best guess for how big each of the fields needed to be. The longest city name I could think of was "CARMEL-BY-THE-SEA", seventeen characters, so I set the field at twenty.

Sure enough, first time I ran the program it puked on "TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES". Twenty-one characters.

The workaround chosen was to address all those labels to "T OR C", an abbreviation which any mailman in New Mexico would immediately understand.

(Maybe some time I'll tell the story of how I converted all those all-uppercase values to suitable mixed-case so we could put "Dear Mr. <lastname>" on the enclosed letters without it looking mechanical.)

2011-10-30 Reply Admin

Tivoli sounds italian right? so there's your hint, and the numerals you can choose from are I V X L C and M. What's so hard about that?

Scarlet Manuka · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Anno:
wonkoTheSane:
Im sure that its just poorly labeled but:
Maximum Characters : 14 Required Characters : Count > 14

Or should that be, at least one of these is required.
Yes, that was the part I really got hung up on. Apparently it's impossible to satisfy Tivoli's requirements for a password, if all those punctuation marks are required.

Yet this one has an obvious non-breaking interpretation (it is required to have at least one of the following characters). The original WTF (requiring at least one numeric character but not allowing any numeric characters) does not.

Also, for those advocating "unusual" numeric characters, that wouldn't work because they don't fall in the "Restricted to characters" list. Also, Roman numerals wouldn't work either, since the OP stipulates that writing 'seven' doesn't work, and that contains a V. Though perhaps it's case-sensitive and only accepts uppercase Roman numerals. :)

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

The poop of DOOM:
password: the biggest wtf:
the biggest wtf which a lot of people would miss is, why is the maximum character length for the password 14?
shouldn't they be converting all passwords into MD5 or SHA1 at least? in which case I could type in 12343578975643 characters and still would end up with a 32 or 40 byte MD5/SHA1 hash

so then you wonder, why do they have a maximum which seems arbitary? why not max 255 chars? I could understand that, or perhaps 64 something with a "boundary"

why 14......it makes you wonder....whats so special about 14?
Who says they hash it? This is TDWTF, so you should know better than to assume it's not stored as plain text.

Stop hashing passwords . it's dumb ?

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

dgvid:
@Deprecated:
That would be a train to the Anagram Club Meeting in "port giltcox"

No, you're thinking of a palindrome. The anagram of "Plxr itgocot cx" would be "Notlob."

right . me sell brain, you wants ?

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Bruce:
Tivoli sounds italian right? so there's your hint, and the numerals you can choose from are I V X L C and M. What's so hard about that?

Where's the D ?

frits · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

u idiot:
frits:
Nagesh:
No coments from our usual gang of boring folks - COcto, booger, frits?
Gues they all got asigned some task activity at work or find job or something.

feke nagesh will be here soon, smirch my good name
<boring> I'm given very long projects with some milestones. Therefore, for the most part, I'm self-managed (Read: Self-paced). Thanks for your concern Mr. Kukunoor! :)</boring>

I'm actually looking for an upgrade in my daily browsing to a more intelligent community. This place is full of kooks and jerks. Any suggestions?

Let's all prove how stupid we are by asking one of the biggest kooks on the site whether he knows any online community with fewer kooks and jerks...

Let's not, and instead prove how stupid you are by not recognizing sarcasm and the fact that that was a trick question. There are no intelligent communities on the internet. Duh.

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

frits:
Let's not, and instead prove how stupid you are by not recognizing sarcasm and the fact that that was a trick question. There are no intelligent communities on the internet. Duh.

Go away, we're not interested in your opinion here

frits · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Hater:
frits:
Let's not, and instead prove how stupid you are by not recognizing sarcasm and the fact that that was a trick question. There are no intelligent communities on the internet. Duh.

Go away, we're not interested in your opinion here

You do understand that it is the flamer, not the flamee that is the loser in thses situations, right? Perhaps it is you that should go away until you learn how to play nicely with others. HAND.

boog · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Hater:
frits:
Let's not, and instead prove how stupid you are by not recognizing sarcasm and the fact that that was a trick question. There are no intelligent communities on the internet. Duh.

Go away, we're not interested in your opinion here

Man, what a hypocrite.

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

frits:
You do understand that it is the flamer, not the flamee that is the loser in thses situations, right? Perhaps it is you that should go away until you learn how to play nicely with others. HAND.

No matter how much complicated you trying to look, all you say is bla bla bla bla bla. We don't want you here.

boog · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Hater:
That's could be just after you suck my balls. And you will like that, for sure.

Methinks you're projecting.

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

boog:
Methinks you're projecting

Noone care what you think. Really. Move on.

C-Octothorpe · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Closet Homo:
boog:
Methinks you're projecting

Noone care what you think. Really. Move on.

We're just waiting in silence for you to bless us with some of your pearls of wisdom... Please, we are worthy!!!

frits · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Hater:
frits:
You do understand that it is the flamer, not the flamee that is the loser in thses situations, right? Perhaps it is you that should go away until you learn how to play nicely with others. HAND.

No matter how much complicated you trying to look, all you say is bla bla bla bla bla. We don't want you here.

That's cool. I don't want you(pl) here either. Go away. :P

boog · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Hater:
boog:
Methinks you're projecting
Noone care what you think. Really. Move on.

I see I'm conversing with an individual of paramount intellectuality here. Clearly I never had a chance.

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

You mean kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts!

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

frits:
That's cool. I don't want you(pl) here either. Go away. :P

You're still here moron? Ask your mommy to wipe your ass

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

frits:
That's cool. I don't want you(pl) here either. Go away. :P

So, best answer you came is "No, it's you". Boring and predictable.

I think we'll vote for banning you.

My vote is number 1: ban

frits · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Hater:
frits:
That's cool. I don't want you(pl) here either. Go away. :P

So, best answer you came is "No, it's you". Boring and predictable.

I think we'll vote for banning you.

My vote is number 1: ban

Let's face it, if you had the power, you already would have.

frits · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Bronie:
frits:
That's cool. I don't want you(pl) here either. Go away. :P

You're still here moron? Ask my mommy to wipe your ass

FTFY. Are you ESL by any chance? Personal pronouns are hard to get right.

C-Octothorpe · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

frits:
Bronie:
frits:
That's cool. I don't want you(pl) here either. Go away. :P

You're still here moron? Ask my mommy to wipe your ass
FTFY. Are you ESL by any chance? Personal pronouns are hard to get right.

My vote is number 1: aspie

C-Octothorpe · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Hater:
frits:
That's cool. I don't want you(pl) here either. Go away. :P

So, best answer you came is "No, it's you". Boring and predictable.

I think we'll vote for banning you.

My vote is number 1: ban

Who's this "we" you are referring to? We don't exist. The only person here is you.

boog · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

frits:
Bronie:
frits:
That's cool. I don't want you(pl) here either. Go away. :P

You're still here moron? Ask my mommy to wipe your ass
FTFY. Are you ESL by any chance? Personal pronouns are hard to get right.

It isn't fair to expect decent grammar from these guys, especially since in half their posts they're pretending to be Indian.

frits · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

boog:
frits:
Bronie:
frits:
That's cool. I don't want you(pl) here either. Go away. :P

You're still here moron? Ask my mommy to wipe your ass
FTFY. Are you ESL by any chance? Personal pronouns are hard to get right.
It isn't fair to expect decent grammar from these guys, especially since in half their posts they're pretending to be Indian.

I'm not going to postulate who he/she/they are, but I'm pretty proud of myself for getting under their skin, even inadvertantly. I will be enjoying the rent-free living space in their head(s) as long as I can.

C-Octothorpe · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

frits:
boog:
frits:
Bronie:
frits:
That's cool. I don't want you(pl) here either. Go away. :P

You're still here moron? Ask my mommy to wipe your ass
FTFY. Are you ESL by any chance? Personal pronouns are hard to get right.
It isn't fair to expect decent grammar from these guys, especially since in half their posts they're pretending to be Indian.
I'm not going to postulate who he/she/they are, but I'm pretty proud of myself for getting under their skin, even inadvertantly. I will be enjoying the rent-free living space in their head(s) as long as I can.

Must be boring sitting in a drafty, unfurnished space, no?

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

C-Octothorpe:
Who's this "we" you are referring to? We don't exist. The only person here is you.

I don't ever asked your opinion. Shut your mouth and get away.

C-Octothorpe · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Hater:
C-Octothorpe:
Who's this "we" you are referring to? We don't exist. The only person here is you.

I don't ever asked your opinion. Shut your mouth and get away.

Yeah, you're right... I wouldn't want you to ban me or anything.

EDIT: just so you know, "we" includes everybody here, so yes, you were asking for my opinion. Also, as far as I know, this is a public forum and isn't you're personal bulletin board, so again, you were asking for my opinion.

2011-10-31 Reply Admin

C-Octothorpe:
just so you know, "we" includes everybody here

"We" includes thousands of visitors here. No, three or four of you registered not included. Farewell loser.

Matt Westwood · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Hater:
C-Octothorpe:
just so you know, "we" includes everybody here

"We" includes thousands of visitors here. No, three or four of you registered not included. Farewell loser.

You're not very good at this. Try being funny. No, on second thoughts, try just fucking right off.

Silverhill · 2011-10-31 Reply Admin

Hater: At the risk of a bit of troll-feeding, here's a delightful editorial perpetrated by Robert "redpaw" Jung, once upon a time. Take it to heart, troller.

Welcome to the Internet.

No one here likes you. We're going to offend, insult, abuse, and belittle the living hell out of you. And when you rail against us with "FUCK YOU YOU GEEK WIMP SKATER GOTH LOSER PUNK FAG BITCH!1!!", we smile to ourselves. We laugh at you because you don't get it. Then we turn up the heat, hoping to draw more entertainment from your irrational fuming.

We will judge you, and we will find you unworthy. It is a trial by fire, and we won't even think about turning down the flames until you finally understand.

Some of you are smart enough to realize that, when you go online, it's like entering a foreign country … and you know better than to ignorantly fuck with the locals. You take the time to listen and think before speaking. You learn, and by learning are gladly welcomed.

For some of you, it takes a while, then one day it all dawns on you — you get it, and are welcomed into the fold.

Some of you give up, and we breathe a sigh of relief — we didn't want you here anyway. And some of you just never get it. The offensively clueless have a special place in our hearts — as objects of ridicule. We don't like you, but we do love you. You will get mad. You will tell us to go to hell, and call us "nerds" and "geeks". Don't bother...we already know exactly what we are. And, much like the way hardcore rap has co-opted the word "nigger", turning an insult around on itself to become a semiserious badge of honor, so have we done.

"How dare you! I used to beat the crap out of punks like you in high school/college!" You may have owned the playing field because you were an athlete. You may have owned the student council because you were more popular. You may have owned the hallways and sidewalks because you were big and intimidating. Well, welcome to our world.

Things like athleticism, popularity, and physical prowess mean nothing here. We place no value on them … or what car you drive, the size of your bank account, what you do for a living or where you went to school.

Allow us to introduce you to the concept of a "meritocracy" — the closest thing to a form of self-government we have. In The United Meritocratic Nation-states of the Internet, those who can do, rule. Those who wish to rule, learn. Everyone else watches from the stands.

You may possess everything in the off-line world. We don't care. You come to the Internet penniless, lacking the only thing of real value here: knowledge. "Who cares? The Internet isn't real anyway!" This attitude is universally unacceptable. The Internet is real. Real people live behind those handles and screen names. Real machines allow it to exist. It's real enough to change government policy, real enough to feed the world's hungry, and even, for some of us, real enough to earn us a paycheck. Using your own definition, how "real" is your job? Your stock portfolio? Your political party? What is the meaning of "real", anyway?

Do I sound arrogant? Sure...to you. Because you probably don't get it yet. If you insist on staying, then, at the very least, follow this advice:

1) No one, ESPECIALLY YOU, will make any law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. 2) Use your brain before ever putting fingers to keys. 3) Do you want a picture of you getting anally raped by Bill Clinton while you're performing oral sex on a cow saved to hundreds of thousands of people's hard drives? No? Then don't put your fucking picture on the Internet. We can, will, and probably already HAVE altered it in awful ways. Expect it to show up on an equally offensive website. 4) Realize that you are never, EVER going to get that, or any other, offensive web page taken down. Those of us who run those sites LIVE to piss off people like you. Those of us who don't run those sites sometimes visit them just to read the hatemail from fools like you. 5) Oh, you say you're going to a lawyer? Be prepared for us to giggle with girlish delight, and for your lawyer to laugh in your face after he explains current copyright and parody law. 6) The Web is not the Internet. Stop referring to it that way. 7) We have already received the e-mail you are about to forward to us. Shut up. 8) Don't reply to spam. You are not going to be "unsubscribed". 9) Don't ever use the term "cyberspace" (only William Gibson gets to say that, and even he hasn't really used it for two or three books now). Likewise, you prove yourself a marketing-hype victim if you ever use the term "surfing". 10) With one or two notable exceptions, chat rooms will not get you laid. 11) It's a hoax, not a virus warning. 12) The Internet is made up of thousands of computers, all connected but owned by different people. Learn how to use your computer before attempting to connect it to someone else's. 13) The first person who offers to help you is really just trying to fuck with you for entertainment. So is the second. And the third. And me. 14) Never insult someone who's been active in any group longer than you have. You may as well paint a damn’ target on your back. 15) Never get comfortable and arrogant behind your supposed mask of anonymity. Don't be surprised when your name, address, and home phone number get thrown back in your smug face. Hell, some of us will snail-mail you a printed satellite photograph of your house to drive the point home. Realize that you are powerless if this happens...it's all public information, and information is our stock in trade. 16) No one thinks you are as cool as you think you are. 17) You aren't going to win any argument that you start. 18) If you're on AOL, don't worry about anything I've said here. You're already a fucking laughingstock, and there's no hope for you. 19) If you can't take a joke, immediately sell your computer to someone who can. RIGHT NOW. Pissed off? It's the TRUTH, not these words, that hurts your feelings. Don't ever even pretend like I've gone & hurt them. We don't like you. We don't want you here. We never will. Save us all the trouble and go away.

--Robert "redpaw" Jung, editor, webmaster, and techmonkey of deeplight.net

2011-11-01 Reply Admin

Silverhill:
We don't like you. We don't want you here. We never will. Save us all the trouble and go away.

This. Exactly what I said.

C-Octothorpe · 2011-11-01 Reply Admin

Hater:
C-Octothorpe:
just so you know, "we" includes everybody here

"We" includes thousands of visitors here. No, three or four of you registered not included. Farewell loser.

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2011-11-01 Reply Admin

how many times have I told you to stop mesing around on the damn computer. Come back here and tidy your room RIGHT NOW! Ooh, just wait till your father gets home, etc, etc...

2011-11-01 Reply Admin

Hater's Mum:
how many times have I told you to stop mesing around on the damn computer. Come back here and tidy your room RIGHT NOW! Ooh, just wait till your father gets home, etc, etc...

....Then your ass really gonna feel it!!!

2011-11-01 Reply Admin

dgvid:
@Deprecated:
That would be a train to the Anagram Club Meeting in "port giltcox"

No, you're thinking of a palindrome. The anagram of "Plxr itgocot cx" would be "Notlob."

It's a pun.

2011-11-01 Reply Admin

On password length, my bank has a 10 character limit on its passwords for some reason (All the other banks around here suck though so I dont intend to switch)

In regards to the movie theater one, I went to the movies a while back and saw the Windows logo screensaver flashing over the movie screen.

Numerically Non-numeric

Hater: At the risk of a bit of troll-feeding, here's a delightful editorial perpetrated by Robert "redpaw" Jung, once upon a time. Take it to heart, troller.

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