• JJ (unregistered) in reply to DaveyDaveDave
    DaveyDaveDave:
    Zylon:
    veggen:
    I love how the article is written. Points for Remy.
    Please sterilize yourself. I found this article utterly excruciating to read. Remy reminds me of this guy at the office who loves to use obscure words at the expense of clarity, and usually uses them wrong anyway.

    *wrongly

    Evidently some people can't use simple words correctly either... :P

    Argh. I hope you were going for irony there, because you're...wait for it...wrong! While "wrongly" is indeed an adverb, it is not the required form of "wrong" as an adverb; "wrong" may be used as an adverb as-is, just like Zylon used it. So he did it right.

  • Anon (unregistered)

    Sounds like Hubert was lucky not to get eaten by a grue.

  • Anon (unregistered)
    I'd like to thank Sir Alec Guiness for delivering that last line for me.

    I would have gone with Morgan Freeman.

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to JJ
    JJ:
    DaveyDaveDave:
    Zylon:
    veggen:
    I love how the article is written. Points for Remy.
    Please sterilize yourself. I found this article utterly excruciating to read. Remy reminds me of this guy at the office who loves to use obscure words at the expense of clarity, and usually uses them wrong anyway.

    *wrongly

    Evidently some people can't use simple words correctly either... :P

    Argh. I hope you were going for irony there, because you're...wait for it...wrong! While "wrongly" is indeed an adverb, it is not the required form of "wrong" as an adverb; "wrong" may be used as an adverb as-is, just like Zylon used it. So he did it rightly.

    FTFY!

  • (cs) in reply to JJ
    JJ:
    DaveyDaveDave:
    Zylon:
    veggen:
    I love how the article is written. Points for Remy.
    Please sterilize yourself. I found this article utterly excruciating to read. Remy reminds me of this guy at the office who loves to use obscure words at the expense of clarity, and usually uses them wrong anyway.

    *wrongly

    Evidently some people can't use simple words correctly either... :P

    Argh. I hope you were going for irony there, because you're...wait for it...wrong! While "wrongly" is indeed an adverb, it is not the required form of "wrong" as an adverb; "wrong" may be used as an adverb as-is, just like Zylon used it. So he did it right.
    The real WTF is grammar rules. In a libertarian society, could any we use we like grammar rulez syntax and, order, spelling.

  • fool (unregistered)

    This is when you just unplug all the servers and leave them off until you get some damn UPS's.

  • A.C. (unregistered) in reply to frist

    I know my router at home (at least the one supplied by the cable company) has a battery pack to provide it with a few hours of life in case the power goes out.

    Why I'd need internet when the power is out is beyond me though...

  • doctor_of_common_sense (unregistered)

    Where did Hubert got his degree of common sense? I know many whom I would love to enroll.

  • Anonymous (unregistered)

    I once worked at a place where a glorified store cupboard was used as a server room. Not so bad when you've got one or two small units; not so good when you've expanded to a 42U rack packed full of high density stuff (blades, SANs etc) without considering associated infrastructure upgrades.

    Temperatures regularly hovered in the 25-30C range, but one weekend the room's single puny air conditioning unit finally packed up. No environmental monitoring or alerts were in place, but fortunately most of the hardware was smart enough to turn itself off as temperatures skyrocketed and before too much damage was done, but by the time people arrived on Monday morning the (also woefully inadequate) UPS batteries had literally melted. Cue sudden availability of budget for investment in more suitable UPS system and air conditioning...

  • ted (unregistered)

    So he's new to the company and knows the server room is full of WTF. The first time there is an outage, he sends requests for new UPSs.

    The real what the fuck is dude not diagramming (even mentally) the existing UPS layout the first time there was an issue. He would have found the problem then.

  • ted (unregistered) in reply to foo
    foo:
    I see the problem: Let's say the servers are in Rack A and Rack B. UPS 1 was providing backup power to Rack A. UPS 2 was providing backup power to Rack B, and primary power to Rack A UPS 1 was plugged into UPS 2, but UPS 2 couldn't provide enough power.

    They needed to plug the primary power for rack B into UPS 1, and UPS 1 into UPS 2. Then they'd have had all the servers on two UPSs, and each UPS on a UPS. As a bonus, if the power failed, both UPSs would still have been charging while they were powering the servers, so their batteries would not have run flat.

    No, you plug UPS 1 into one outlet in the wall, and then you plug UPS 2 into the other outlet in the wall on a different circuit. If you don't have that, then your wiring is TRWTF.

  • Meep (unregistered) in reply to JJ
    JJ:
    DaveyDaveDave:
    Zylon:
    veggen:
    I love how the article is written. Points for Remy.
    Please sterilize yourself. I found this article utterly excruciating to read. Remy reminds me of this guy at the office who loves to use obscure words at the expense of clarity, and usually uses them wrong anyway.

    *wrongly

    Evidently some people can't use simple words correctly either... :P

    Argh. I hope you were going for irony there, because you're...wait for it...wrong! While "wrongly" is indeed an adverb, it is not the required form of "wrong" as an adverb; "wrong" may be used as an adverb as-is, just like Zylon used it. So he did it rightly.

    FTFY.

  • EatenByAGrue (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Sounds like Hubert was lucky not to get eaten by a grue.

    Did someone page me?

    My basic rule on this: If your cabling resembles in any way a likeness of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you have a problem.

  • (cs) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    I'd like to thank Sir Alec Guiness for delivering that last line for me.

    I would have gone with Morgan Freeman.

    Personally, I'd go with William Hootkins.

  • Steve H. (unregistered) in reply to A.C.

    It's probably in case you want to use your VoIP phones in the event of a power outage (something that wired POTS phones can do).

  • PG4 (unregistered) in reply to Rich the Engineer
    Rich the Engineer:
    No electrical person would do something that stupid. There are electrical codes, like the NEC (National Electrical Code) for a reason! It's only when you get ignorant computer techies who think they know electricity because they can match a plug with a wall outlet, is when you get complete clusterf**ks like that.

    Wrong.

    I'm a EE that got into IT stuff a long time ago. I heard that same thing from UAW guys. "We can't let an outside vendor come in a work on the server room power, they might not do a good job like we do." We had tons of power problems in that server room, ended up that they had about have of the grounds and neutrals reversed in the room. One PDU was showing 7 amps of ground current, and they didn't think this was an issue.

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to Meep
    Meep:
    JJ:
    DaveyDaveDave:
    Zylon:
    veggen:
    I love how the article is written. Points for Remy.
    Please sterilize yourself. I found this article utterly excruciating to read. Remy reminds me of this guy at the office who loves to use obscure words at the expense of clarity, and usually uses them wrong anyway.

    *wrongly

    Evidently some people can't use simple words correctly either... :P

    Argh. I hope you were going for irony there, because you're...wait for it...wrong! While "wrongly" is indeed an adverb, it is not the required form of "wrong" as an adverb; "wrong" may be used as an adverb as-is, just like Zylon used it. So he did it rightly.

    FTFY.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, funny. So funny, in fact, that I posted it myself about an hour before you.

  • (cs)

    10 Plug UPS into wall 20 Plug new UPS into old UPS 30 If no flames shoot out, then 20 ELSE 40 40 Unplug newest UPS 50 Plug servers in wherever you can find an opening

  • (cs) in reply to EatenByAGrue
    EatenByAGrue:
    Anon:
    Sounds like Hubert was lucky not to get eaten by a grue.

    Did someone page me?

    My basic rule on this: If your cabling resembles in any way a likeness of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you have a problem.

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a myth. The real creator is the Giant Flatulating Raccoon.

  • Scott (unregistered)

    TRWTF is UPS. Should have used FedEx.

  • Captain Obvious (unregistered) in reply to frits
    frits:
    The 9V batteries in the picture appear to be wired in series, which does not provide redundancy. Although, if surreptitiously applied to a computer mouse, they would provide hilarity.
    If you want to wire 9v batteries in series, you don't need the wires. Just plug them into each other in a chain.
  • Pytry (unregistered) in reply to hoodaticus

    [quote user="hoodaticus"][quote user="EatenByAGrue"]The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a myth. The real creator is the Giant Flatulating Raccoon.[/quote]

    The Giant Flatuating Raccon was just the foreman on the job. The architect and oversear was the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

  • ÃÆâ€℠(unregistered)

    How the hell did the powers that be in that company think their servers were run? Magic pixi dust? They ignored requests for new equipment twice, both times after major problems knocked out the servers. They obviously don't care (or really do think the servers are run using magic pixi dust), since they allowed that horrible configuration in the first place, and they didn't care to fix it when the sh*t hit the fan.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the PSN and Amazon AWS outages are due to a similar issue...

  • Herby (unregistered)

    The motto that should apply here is: "Neat wiring doesn't fail". The implication of this is that if it DID fail, it wasn't neat.

    Words to live by! Unfortunately not many people do!

  • Ã (unregistered)
    Remy Martin:
    I always get a kick out of the fact that people somehow manage to stumble across this link, despite it just being a handful of words out of the article. I laugh and laugh and laugh.

    No, stupid, we don't "somehow manage to stumble across this link", we look at the source of the page, and laugh and laugh and laugh at gay how you must be for including rainbows and unicorns in each and every one of your posts.

  • C-Octothorpe (unregistered) in reply to ÃÆâ€â„Â
    ÃÆâ€â„Â:
    How the hell did the powers that be in that company think their servers were run? Magic pixi dust? They ignored requests for new equipment twice, both times after major problems knocked out the servers. They obviously don't care (or really do think the servers are run using magic pixi dust), since they allowed that horrible configuration in the first place, and they didn't care to fix it when the sh*t hit the fan.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the PSN and Amazon AWS outages are due to a similar issue...

    Sheesh! Everyone knows that there is no such thing as magic pixie dust... Obviously they're powered by rainbows, good intentions, mouse farts, Obama and unicorn droppings. Oh, and of course essence of Giant Flatulating Racoon.

  • Keith (unregistered) in reply to Satanicpuppy
    Satanicpuppy:
    Also learned a lesson about the kind of person who has server room access for the purposes of changing tapes and stuff like that.

    Great story. On this final point, I have to feel for the low-tech on the totem pole, whose job otherwise probably is getting workers get back to business as quickly and effortlessly to the end users as possible. If your tape changing guy isn't empowered to say "No" to the VP of the local office (or whoever railroaded his hothouse flowers into the server room) then it's an organizational-behavior issue, not the person.

    If the person volunteered to let them in, that's different.

  • C-Octothorpe (unregistered) in reply to Keith
    Keith:
    If the person volunteered to let them in, that's different.

    What, was that bad? Should I not have done that?

    I thought there may be a problem when they started making grill-cheese sandwiches with the George Foreman grill.

  • SG_01 (unregistered)

    He should have just thrown out the UPSes in the first place ;) At least then it's not a question of "if" things break, but "when" :D

  • onlyme (unregistered) in reply to A.C.
    A.C.:
    I know my router at home (at least the one supplied by the cable company) has a battery pack to provide it with a few hours of life in case the power goes out.

    Why I'd need internet when the power is out is beyond me though...

    Laptop ? Use it to stream to TV and can STILL be a couch potato

  • The Great Lobachevsky (unregistered) in reply to DaveyDaveDave
    DaveyDaveDave:
    socknet:
    Absolutely no idea where you are quoting from..

    Have a look at the source - it's where the best bits of Remy's articles are to be found :)

    Thanks for the tip.

    decet - that was a decet tip indeed.

  • r2k-in-the-vortex (unregistered)

    plug ups output to ups input. heureka, perpetum mobile has been invented!

  • C-Octothorpe (unregistered) in reply to r2k-in-the-vortex
    r2k-in-the-vortex:
    plug ups output to ups input. heureka, perpetum mobile has been invented!

    Who told you that?! That was supposed to be a secret!

    Now everyone will have an endless source of power at their finger tips...

  • Gunslnger (unregistered) in reply to DaveyDaveDave
    DaveyDaveDave:
    socknet:
    Absolutely no idea where you are quoting from..

    Have a look at the source - it's where the best bits of Remy's articles are to be found :)

    It's like finding a piece of corn in a dog turd.

  • Gunslnger (unregistered) in reply to A.C.
    A.C.:
    I know my router at home (at least the one supplied by the cable company) has a battery pack to provide it with a few hours of life in case the power goes out.

    Why I'd need internet when the power is out is beyond me though...

    So that your phone will work (when you're using the IP phone over your cable line, that is).

  • mh (unregistered) in reply to SCSimmons
    SCSimmons:
    I call shenanigans on this story.

    Sadly I'm pretty certain that this one is true. I recognise the events and they match what I recall of both incidents almost exactly. Names changed and other details obfuscated, of course.

    Moral of the story is: always insist that the IT guys spec and sanity check the UPS.

  • Job Security (unregistered) in reply to PG4
    PG4:
    We had tons of power problems in that server room, ended up that they had about have of the grounds and neutrals reversed in the room. One PDU was showing 7 amps of ground current, and they didn't think this was an issue.

    They would also be the people coming back to "fix" it, so they'd get to bill some more hours. So clearly, it wasn't an issue for them.

  • (cs) in reply to mh
    mh:
    SCSimmons:
    I call shenanigans on this story.
    Sadly I'm pretty certain that this one is true.
    Sadly I'm pretty certain that the :) smiley is no longer an adequate sarcasm flag. I guess I'll have to find something else.
  • (cs) in reply to C-Octothorpe
    C-Octothorpe:
    r2k-in-the-vortex:
    plug ups output to ups input. heureka, perpetum mobile has been invented!

    Who told you that?! That was supposed to be a secret!

    Now everyone will have an endless source of power at their finger tips...

    You forgot to mention that the power companies will go bankrupt. <facepalm/> What's wrong with you people?

  • (cs) in reply to C-Octothorpe
    C-Octothorpe:
    r2k-in-the-vortex:
    plug ups output to ups input. heureka, perpetum mobile has been invented!

    Who told you that?! That was supposed to be a secret!

    Now everyone will have an endless source of power at their finger tips...

    Oh come on. This is a myth, perpetuated by UPS manufacturers.

    If you want an endless source of energy, we all know you need a Minato Motor.

    http://www.rexresearch.com/minato/minato.htm

    The meters showed an input to the stator electromagnets of approximately 1.8 volts and 150mA input, and from the generator, 9.144 volts and 192mA output. 1.8 x 0.15 x 2 = 540mW input and 9.144 x 0.192 = 1.755W out.

    Minato assures us that he hasn't transcended the laws of physics. The force supplying the unexplained extra power out is generated by the magnetic strength of the permanent magnets embedded in the rotor. "I'm simply harnessing one of the four fundamental forces of nature," he says.

  • some dude (unregistered) in reply to Zylon
    Zylon:
    veggen:
    I love how the article is written. Points for Remy.
    Please sterilize yourself. I found this article utterly excruciating to read. Remy reminds me of this guy at the office who loves to use obscure words at the expense of clarity, and usually uses them wrong anyway.
    It might help if you had an education past third grade. I find his writing fairly easy to read and I didn't see a single obscure word.
  • chkarrer (unregistered) in reply to A.C.
    A.C.:
    I know my router at home (at least the one supplied by the cable company) has a battery pack to provide it with a few hours of life in case the power goes out.

    Why I'd need internet when the power is out is beyond me though...

    Does your cable provider provide you with phone service as well? That would be a likely reason for battery backup of the router.

  • (cs) in reply to Herby
    Herby:
    The motto that should apply here is: "Neat wiring doesn't fail". The implication of this is that if it DID fail, it wasn't neat.

    Words to live by! Unfortunately not many people do!

    Not only wiring. Neat code is often equally trouble-free for similar reasons.

    "If you don't understand what you're doing, do it neatly."

  • (cs) in reply to C-Octothorpe
    C-Octothorpe:
    Keith:
    If the person volunteered to let them in, that's different.

    What, was that bad? Should I not have done that?

    I thought there may be a problem when they started making grill-cheese sandwiches with the George Foreman grill.

    They used a George Foreman grill? That equipment is totally unauthorised! They should have been using the top of the server casings which are running lovely and hot now, thank you very much ...

    ... we know a TDWTF about that, don't we, children?

  • Dan Neely (unregistered) in reply to A.C.
    A.C.:
    I know my router at home (at least the one supplied by the cable company) has a battery pack to provide it with a few hours of life in case the power goes out.

    Who's it made by? I wouldn't mind having that sort of network gear. Mine're currently UPSed, but the difference in runtime with them plugged in vs the runtime with the UPS not powering anything except it's status LED and monitoring circuit make me think most of the battery is being wasted before doing anything to keep my netbook online.

  • reductio ad ridiculum (unregistered) in reply to hoodaticus
    hoodaticus:
    The real WTF is grammar rules. In a libertarian society, could any we use we like grammar rulez syntax and, order, spelling.
    Po Angliskij ya vas ne ponimayu. V drugikh yazikakh nekakaya problema.
  • ErikF (unregistered) in reply to ÃÆâ€â„Â

    Of course the servers are powered by magic PXE dust! All the servers that I've worked on have had the setting for years! (You might need to enable PoE first, though :)

  • Jiminy (unregistered) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    Herby:
    The motto that should apply here is: "Neat wiring doesn't fail". The implication of this is that if it DID fail, it wasn't neat.

    Words to live by! Unfortunately not many people do!

    Not only wiring. Neat code is often equally trouble-free for similar reasons.

    "If you don't understand what you're doing, do it neatly."

    More to the point: "If other people won't understand what you did, do it neatly"

  • (cs) in reply to Rich the Engineer
    Rich the Engineer:
    No electrical person would do something that stupid. There are electrical codes, like the NEC (National Electrical Code) for a reason! It's only when you get ignorant computer techies who think they know electricity because they can match a plug with a wall outlet, is when you get complete clusterf**ks like that.

    You're obviously an electrician... And you obviously think you're the best thing ever.

    Newsflash: There are SHITE electricians out there, and many good IT people can spot them. For example, the moron electrician that did some work at the school I worked for. The dangerous/illegal state he left things in would have gone undetected if he'd cabled the data to the right cabinet. Instead, I had to go looking, and noticed the Cat6 cable twisting it's way around the 240V power cabling inside the new wall.

    This isn't a one off. I also discovered the computer room at said school had it's power points running via some re-purposed light switches. 10A switches running 10x10A power points with a 16A breaker per circuit... Which part of fire-hazard did this electrician not think of?

    Edit: And yes, I reported both issues. The light switch thing was removed, and I refused to even attempt to work around the data cabling being sent to the wrong cabinet because of the danger the power/data mix would cause.

  • alegr (unregistered)

    Let's build UPS centipede.

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