• (cs) in reply to neminem
    neminem:
    frits:
    Go Team Venture!:
    Brock:
    Did anyone else read the conversation between Hank and Dean in their Venture Bros voices?

    TRWTF is all this talk of Hank and Dean with no mention of Brock. amirite?

    The only Brock I know has a massive phallus tatooed on his chest.

    Weird. The only Brock I know, was the gym leader of one of the first gyms you discovered, and specialized in rock-type pokemon.

    This is what I'm talkin' about. Aw Yeah.

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  • iMalc (unregistered)

    Sorrey it tock a whyle two post thes, i hed too ron it parst the speeling naazi's frist.

  • Kempeth (unregistered)

    So basically the people in the committee figured that if they don't have any real power they might as well just wave anything through. Or else they might get reassigned to work full time again...

    They probably all started out enthusiastic but then realized their position was a joke. I assume they all are programmers and probably the ones that write comparatively better code. So instead of getting a chance to improve their own situation (less bad code for them to maintain). They were probably quite rigorous with their first few projects - invested plenty of time to help the programmers find their problems only to see all their time wasted.

  • (cs) in reply to Brock
    Brock:
    Did anyone else read the conversation between Hank and Dean in their Venture Bros voices?

    Actually, I always read conversations in the Dilbert voices.

  • Matt Westwood (unregistered) in reply to boog
    boog:
    uuang:
    wat happened!
    I imagine Hank went forward as planned with implementing his open-to-the-world, anonymous-hacker-friendly web service, sprinting through all of the established checkpoints and eventually moving it to production without any hindrance from Dean, Pete, or the rest of the governance committee.

    ... and then nobody hacked their way in through the back door, purely because their app was so lame that it didn't inspire any interest even in the hacker community. Hank, of course, was vindicated. As for Dean, in the eyes of everyone else in the committee, his bozo bit was set forever more.

  • (cs) in reply to boog
    boog:
    wtf:
    Carl:
    Then -- the math is so simple even an MBA can do it -- you divide Income=0 by Cost=$BIGNUM and discover that your Return on Investment is approximately minus 100 percent. At this point the MBA's eyes will start glowing red and everyone in the vicinity will get shot. Like I said, you have to activate this weapon with care, but if you do it right the company will be better off in the long run.

    I don't get it. 0/BIGNUM = 0, no? But then, maybe you need to be an MBA for this sort of thing.

    Maybe it should be (income - cost) / cost?

    That'd be -100%.

    if income = cost

    income/cost === 1

    which translates to a ROI of 0 (this is break even)

    if income = 0 then ROI is negative

    income/cost -1 *100 = (gross) return on investment.

    If I needed an MBA to figure this out I [sh|w]ouldn't be allowed to program. If I couldn't figure this out with an MBA I would be CEO.

  • digitig (unregistered) in reply to Sir Twist
    Sir Twist:
    "No one would come?" What about "be at the meeting or be clearing out your desk?"
    If the meeting is chaired by the CEO, that could work. Much lower and you'd just get the directors of all the other departments flipping the bird to the committee.
  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Nuelo
    Nuelo:
    Brock:
    Did anyone else read the conversation between Hank and Dean in their Venture Bros voices?

    Actually, I always read conversations in the Dilbert voices.

    Dilbert's a comic strip - if you can hear his voice you need to get help. And if you can hear his voices you really need to get help.

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Dilbert's a comic strip - if you can hear his voice you need to get help.
    You seem to have missed the big ANIMATION button on the website.

    Oh, and the cartoon a decade ago.

  • Sten (unregistered)

    What’s the application’s URL? Please, please :)

  • (cs) in reply to ÃÆâ€â„Â
    ÃÆâ€â„Â:
    I just adore Remy Porter's infatuation with rainbows and unicorns
    FTFY
  • anon (unregistered) in reply to Sten
    Sten:
    What’s the application’s URL? Please, please :)

    There's a way to google for wsdls, but I just can't exactly remember right now... Though I do remember when somebody showed this to me just how many thousands of unsecured web services there are (mostly are just "who cares" websites like for churchs and schools, etc.).

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to anon
    anon:
    Sten:
    What’s the application’s URL? Please, please :)

    There's a way to google for wsdls, but I just can't exactly remember right now... Though I do remember when somebody showed this to me just how many thousands of unsecured web services there are (mostly are just "who cares" websites like for churchs and schools, etc.).

    Googling for inurl:"asmx?wsdl" will get you about 10,000 results, mostly boring crap.

  • (cs) in reply to TheJasper
    TheJasper:
    boog:
    Maybe it should be (income - cost) / cost?

    That'd be -100%.

    if income = cost

    income/cost === 1

    which translates to a ROI of 0 (this is break even)

    if income = 0 then ROI is negative

    income/cost -1 *100 = (gross) return on investment.

    If I needed an MBA to figure this out I [sh|w]ouldn't be allowed to program. If I couldn't figure this out with an MBA I would be CEO.

    Um... (income - cost) / cost = (income / cost) - 1

    So I guess you didn't need an MBA to figure this out after all because I already did. Before you. And then you replied to it.

    No thanks necessary. Just doing my job.

  • (cs) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    ... and then nobody hacked their way in through the back door, purely because their app was so lame that it didn't inspire any interest even in the hacker community. Hank, of course, was vindicated. As for Dean, in the eyes of everyone else in the committee, his bozo bit was set forever more.
    What an excellent point. If nobody is interested in exploiting vulnerabilities in a production environment, why do we even bother securing it in the first place?

    It's not like they have any competitors that might benefit from Dean/Pete/Hank's company wasting resources resolving massive billing issues due to Hank's wide-open, anonymous web service.

  • LB (unregistered) in reply to MarkJ
    MarkJ:
    article:
    ...but the server team will promote their code whether or not they actually passed the checkpoints.
    Sounds like a big disconnect between the development team and the people managing them. I've never worked anywhere that let me just do what I want!
    Sounds more like a big disconnect between the people managing the development team and the people who set up the review board.
  • LB (unregistered) in reply to boog
    boog:
    TheJasper:
    boog:
    Maybe it should be (income - cost) / cost?

    That'd be -100%.

    if income = cost

    income/cost === 1

    which translates to a ROI of 0 (this is break even)

    if income = 0 then ROI is negative

    income/cost -1 *100 = (gross) return on investment.

    If I needed an MBA to figure this out I [sh|w]ouldn't be allowed to program. If I couldn't figure this out with an MBA I would be CEO.

    Um... (income - cost) / cost = (income / cost) - 1

    So I guess you didn't need an MBA to figure this out after all because I already did. Before you. And then you replied to it.

    An MBA is more likely to use boog's formula than TheJasper's. They may be mathematically equivalent, but that's the one that more closely corresponds to the reason for being interested in it. Income - cost is a fairly significant calculation in business. It's net income or profit. An MBA would calculate that first, then divide profit/cost to determine ROI.

  • nobody (unregistered) in reply to wtf
    wtf:
    Carl:
    Then -- the math is so simple even an MBA can do it -- you divide Income=0 by Cost=$BIGNUM and discover that your Return on Investment is approximately minus 100 percent. At this point the MBA's eyes will start glowing red and everyone in the vicinity will get shot. Like I said, you have to activate this weapon with care, but if you do it right the company will be better off in the long run.

    I don't get it. 0/BIGNUM = 0, no? But then, maybe you need to be an MBA for this sort of thing.

    Yeah, you missed it. But in your defense, he typed it wrong.

    ROI = (Vf - Vi)/Vi = (0 - $BIGNUM)/$BIGNUM = -100%

  • ClaudeSuck.de (unregistered)

    I guess Paula's code would have passed the review because it adheres to the standards...

  • PinkFloyd43 (unregistered)

    I am thinking quite a few of us are working in a situation quite like this. One project comes to mind. We had over a (12) developers, (2) DBA types, (8) business analysts and all the networking folks involved in a project for about (2) years and during the entire process EVERYONE would whisper during meetings "This is never going to work". So X Millions of dollars later it was cancelled. About 2-3 months later the layoffs began but they never got rid of upper management who thought it was a good idea!

  • Dirk (unregistered) in reply to Wolfman
    Wolfman:
    How on gods green earth do you make a review board with no teeth? They would probably be more effective if they just call everybody in and watched cartoons!
    Ummm... I don't know. Ask the guys that set up this organisation www.un.org.au
  • (cs) in reply to MarkJ
    MarkJ:
    article:
    ...but the server team will promote their code whether or not they actually passed the checkpoints.
    Sounds like a big disconnect between the development team and the people managing them. I've never worked anywhere that let me just do what I want!

    You have to wedge your way into it. But once you're in, it's bliss let me tell you.

    It helps to be good at office politics, too.

  • Romi (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Brock:
    Did anyone else read the conversation between Hank and Dean in their Venture Bros voices?

    Yes, but they need to change Pete to Rusty.

    Go team Venture!

    "Pete" is obviously Peter White, the albino computer scientist :)

  • (cs) in reply to frits
    frits:
    The only Brock I know has a massive phallus tatooed on his chest.
    I would love to be in the room when you told the 6'4" 265lb heavy weight champion that his sword is a giant dick.
  • (cs) in reply to amischiefr
    amischiefr:
    frits:
    The only Brock I know has a massive phallus tatooed on his chest.
    I would love to be in the room when you told the 6'4" 265lb heavy weight champion that his sword is a giant dick.

    It's nothing he hasn't heard before. Besides, I'm in his weight class-- unless you count his walking around weight of 325.

  • Dan (unregistered)

    The RWTF is that Dean didn't get in the last word with something like, "and that would be bad because?"

  • (cs) in reply to frits
    frits:
    amischiefr:
    frits:
    The only Brock I know has a massive phallus tatooed on his chest.
    I would love to be in the room when you told the 6'4" 265lb heavy weight champion that his sword is a giant dick.

    It's nothing he hasn't heard before. Besides, I'm in his weight class-- unless you count his walking around weight of 325.

    Yeah, you may be in his weight class, but his 265 is mostly muscle :p I am willing to bet yours is mostly tacos.

  • (cs) in reply to amischiefr
    amischiefr:
    frits:
    amischiefr:
    frits:
    The only Brock I know has a massive phallus tatooed on his chest.
    I would love to be in the room when you told the 6'4" 265lb heavy weight champion that his sword is a giant dick.

    It's nothing he hasn't heard before. Besides, I'm in his weight class-- unless you count his walking around weight of 325.

    Yeah, you may be in his weight class, but his 265 is mostly muscle :p I am willing to bet yours is mostly tacos.

    No way dude. I train UFC twice a week.

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  • (cs)

    This could've been an opportunity for Dean.

    One of my associates at a contracting company I used to work for did a stint with a customer who had a review board like this. His first experience with the board was very much like Dean's experience. He then went to management and asked them what the deal was. They told him, "We are aware of the issue. We were hoping you could fix it."

    At the next meeting, even though he was the only contractor on the call, he was much more assertive. He questioned the utility of unrequested projects, he indicated what projects should not proceed forward without fixing issues mentioned, justified those comments with explanations of possible consequences with going forward on the current code and so forth. He did not wait for the meeting moderator to weigh in on the projects. Note that he never actually said projects could not proceed; he only indicated that they should not.

    The meeting moderator did object with his management team. He was told, "If you were doing your job, he wouldn't have to." Then they offering my associate a permanent position as the ex-moderator's new boss.

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