• OrangeYoda (unregistered)

    What's wrong with the Micro SD kit? It has an micro SD, a mini SD and an SD adaptor? that's 3in1 ?

    Oy

  • monkeyPushButton (unregistered)
    PF:
    f1rst!

    I'm soooo jealous.

  • holli (unregistered)

    This comment has been violated.

  • (cs) in reply to OrangeYoda
    OrangeYoda:
    What's wrong with the Micro SD kit? It has an micro SD, a mini SD and an SD adaptor? that's 3in1 ?

    Oy

    I was wondering the same thing. Only detail I noticed was the "NaNp per each"..

  • (cs) in reply to jh-
    OrangeYoda: What's wrong with the Micro SD kit? It has an micro SD, a mini SD and an SD adaptor? that's 3in1 ?

    Oy

    I was wondering the same thing. Only detail I noticed was the "NaNp per each"..

    same here!

  • NaN (unregistered) in reply to jh-

    Yep, that's it.

    Nan == Not a Number exception/error.

  • Andy Wilson (unregistered) in reply to jh-
    jh-:
    OrangeYoda:
    What's wrong with the Micro SD kit? It has an micro SD, a mini SD and an SD adaptor? that's 3in1 ?
    I was wondering the same thing. Only detail I noticed was the "NaNp per each"..
    Exactly, the quantity in the database for this item must be 0 rather than 1 so that when it computes the price for each item, it is dividing by zero to give NaN (not a number).

    What I don't get is what's wrong with the Ulster Bank login. It says that the password can be between 6 and 20 characters long, and it's asking for the 1st, 2nd and 9th characters. What's wrong with that?

  • (cs) in reply to Andy Wilson
    Andy Wilson:
    jh-:
    OrangeYoda:
    What's wrong with the Micro SD kit? It has an micro SD, a mini SD and an SD adaptor? that's 3in1 ?
    I was wondering the same thing. Only detail I noticed was the "NaNp per each"..
    Exactly, the quantity in the database for this item must be 0 rather than 1 so that when it computes the price for each item, it is dividing by zero to give NaN (not a number).

    What I don't get is what's wrong with the Ulster Bank login. It says that the password can be between 6 and 20 characters long, and it's asking for the 1st, 2nd and 9th characters. What's wrong with that?

    What if your password is 6 characters?

  • bubba_fett (unregistered)

    I don't get the wtf with the bank of ulster. Am I just being dumb?

  • AC (unregistered) in reply to Voodoo Coder

    If it is anything like the NatWest online banking system (looks the same), it will only ever ask you for a character it knows you'll have.

  • (cs) in reply to AC
    AC:
    If it is anything like the NatWest online banking system (looks the same), it will only ever ask you for a character it knows you'll have.

    According to the submitter, it's not....

  • (cs) in reply to Voodoo Coder
    Voodoo Coder:
    What if your password is 6 characters?

    Yes, but by then you've entered your username/account number/whatever, so it knows how long your password is.

    You'd be complaining if your password could be between 6 and 20 characters, but it only ever asked you for the first 6 characters!

  • Matt (unregistered)

    There's nothing wrong with 27-hour days...

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/struggling_americans_forced_to

  • Mark G (unregistered)
    "I saw this at a supermarket in Sainsbury, UK," Robert Hugh Adams writes, "beyond the fact that I didn't quite expect to find silicon chips alongside the spuds, I think something's one less than expected!"

    Are you sure that isn't Sainsbury's supermarket in the UK? (sainsburys.co.uk)

  • (cs) in reply to Voodoo Coder
    Voodoo Coder:
    According to the submitter, it's not....

    In that case, he probably entered his username incorrectly.

    With the Natwest site, if you enter an invalid username it will still ask for your PIN/password, but pretend to have a 10 (or more) character password. Or he may have entered someone else's username who DID have a longer password. Or maybe he had simply forgotten his password...

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to Mark G
    Mark G:
    "I saw this at a supermarket in Sainsbury, UK," Robert Hugh Adams writes, "beyond the fact that I didn't quite expect to find silicon chips alongside the spuds, I think something's one less than expected!"

    Are you sure that isn't Sainsbury's supermarket in the UK? (sainsburys.co.uk)

    That was my though too. TRWTF is Alex not understanding the submission. Fancy somebody from Cleveland not knowing the names of all British supermarket chains. For shame.

  • Pax (unregistered) in reply to Andy Wilson
    Andy Wilson:
    jh-:
    OrangeYoda:
    What's wrong with the Micro SD kit? It has an micro SD, a mini SD and an SD adaptor? that's 3in1 ?
    I was wondering the same thing. Only detail I noticed was the "NaNp per each"..
    Exactly, the quantity in the database for this item must be 0 rather than 1 so that when it computes the price for each item, it is dividing by zero to give NaN (not a number).

    Divide-by-zero is supposed to give +Inf for IEE754 (only Nan if the numerator is zero as well) - so 3/0 would not give you NaN.

  • (cs) in reply to jh-
    jh-:
    OrangeYoda:
    What's wrong with the Micro SD kit? It has an micro SD, a mini SD and an SD adaptor? that's 3in1 ?

    Oy

    I was wondering the same thing. Only detail I noticed was the "NaNp per each"..
    Better yet, it knows enough to print “each” but still does the division. Clbuttic!

  • Anonymous (unregistered)

    Great, a new article, this will be the perfect opportunity to pick holes in the spelling and grammar of the author.

  • JC (unregistered)

    Quote: "I saw this at a supermarket in Sainsbury, UK," Robert Hugh Adams writes

    Did he really write that? I doubt it. Im pretty sure he said "I saw this at Sainsbury's in the UK".

    And dont give me "Oh, the American editor doesnt know British Supermarkets". Its called research, it takes but a second, and its the job of an Editor.

    Reminds me of the chuckle I got the other day watching one of those stupid cop clip shows where the American narrator says "This clip comes from Thames, England". I assume he didnt mean the river, but he must have heard of it and not heard of the Thames Valley as they were hurtling down the M4 around J8.

  • Mark G (unregistered) in reply to Anon

    Surely, seeing as the text is a quote, it is Robert Hugh Adams that does not know the name of his supermarket and/or the town he was in...

    ..either that or he was misquoted...

  • (cs) in reply to JC
    JC:
    Quote: "I saw this at a supermarket in Sainsbury, UK," Robert Hugh Adams writes

    Did he really write that? I doubt it. Im pretty sure he said "I saw this at Sainsbury's in the UK".

    And dont give me "Oh, the American editor doesnt know British Supermarkets". Its called research, it takes but a second, and its the job of an Editor.

    An editor? Are you lost?

    If a British Writer said "..I saw this at a store in Piggly Wiggly, United States", I'd think he was a bit daft for not at least looking it up on curiosity.

    Sainsbury..that's a little different.

  • mnice (unregistered)

    Skypephone cannot divide by zero ? wtf... we have had code for that for ages :

    http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Division-By-Zero,-Solved-Yet-Again.aspx

  • Alex Mace (unregistered) in reply to Voodoo Coder

    It wouldn't have asked for the ninth character if you password didn't have nine characters in it. NatWest (also part of RBS) use exactly the same system.

  • (cs) in reply to JC

    [quote user="JC"they were hurtling down the M4 around J8.[/quote] Hurtling? I used to commute that way. The word you seek is 'crawling'.

  • Anonymouse (unregistered)

    iPhone can divide by zero?

    OH SHI-

  • (cs) in reply to pscs
    pscs:
    Voodoo Coder:
    What if your password is 6 characters?

    Yes, but by then you've entered your username/account number/whatever, so it knows how long your password is.

    Please, please, please tell me that the database has a one-way hash of the password, plus the length in a separate field, rather than the actual plaintext password.

  • lacop (unregistered)

    TRWTF is someone want's to buy iphone.

  • (cs) in reply to JC
    JC:
    Did he really write that? I doubt it. Im pretty sure he said "I saw this at Sainsbury's in the UK".

    Who cares? Why is it you jackasses enjoy being such pedantic morons so much?

    JC:
    And dont give me "Oh, the American editor doesnt know British Supermarkets". Its called research, it takes but a second, and its the job of an Editor.

    Again, who cares? If it's so important to you to do "research" for a humor site, I'm sure Alex would accept your volunteer services. I mean, you obviously have way too much free time on your hands that you can afford to waste it being a pedant.

    JC:
    Reminds me of the chuckle I got the other day

    Your entire post reminds me of the chuckle I got the other day when I watched paint dry on the curb. Yay.

  • John Riston (unregistered) in reply to RobFreundlich

    Good point. If the password is one-way hashed, how does it know the first, second, and ninth password characters? Does it store them separately, and if so, couldn't that information be used to guess the password more quickly?

  • Steve Jobs (unregistered) in reply to Anonymouse

    Of course the Iphone can divide by zero. And return the true value. Something only Apple entertainment and communications devices can do.

    CAPTCHA: eros. Because I know how you love me.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Steve Jobs
    Steve Jobs:
    Of course the Iphone can divide by zero. And return the true value. Something only Apple entertainment and communications devices can do.

    CAPTCHA: eros. Because I know how you love me.

    For the price, I'd expect it to divide asexually into a whole other phone.

    CAPTCHA: Oh please...

  • stokessd (unregistered)

    Is it just me, or does the MIT credit union chick have a giant sasquatch foot?

    Now that's a WTF?!

    Sheldon

  • Not a resident of Giggleswick, but I wish I were (unregistered) in reply to Voodoo Coder

    Have you ever actually looked at English place names? "Piggly Wiggly" would be mildly pedestrian.

    Check http://www.englishplacenames.co.uk/.

  • (cs)

    The real WTF is "per each". It's simply redundant and wrong. If the issue is a computer system that requires a unit for the item and automatically prefixes "per", then simply use "unit" or "item" for single, nonmeasured items. I guess I'm asking too much out of grocery store workers who hate their jobs.

  • (cs) in reply to Not a resident of Giggleswick, but I wish I were
    Not a resident of Giggleswick:
    Have you ever actually looked at English place names? "Piggly Wiggly" would be mildly pedestrian.

    Check http://www.englishplacenames.co.uk/.

    Hence my comment. You should read it sometime.

    (You are aware that Piggly Wiggly was (no longer operating I believe) a US supermarket chain, correct? From your response, you seem to have completely missed what I was saying...by a lot)

  • Downfall (unregistered)

    The REAL WTF(TM) is setting up a gift registry at Sears.

  • (cs) in reply to RobFreundlich
    RobFreundlich:
    pscs:
    Voodoo Coder:
    What if your password is 6 characters?

    Yes, but by then you've entered your username/account number/whatever, so it knows how long your password is.

    Please, please, please tell me that the database has a one-way hash of the password, plus the length in a separate field, rather than the actual plaintext password.

    No idea, but given that it asks you for a random 3 characters from the password, I'm guessing they must have each character stored separately somehow - whether they've encrypted it somehow or not it's rather hard to say. I would hope they're doing something to protect the data.

    NatWest at least won't let you transfer money to a new payee without using the authentication device to generate a response code to their challenge code.

  • Andy (unregistered)

    First three times I read that I thought it said "personnel violated"

  • noryb (unregistered)

    'parently, the i in iPhone stands for infinity.

    And all this time, I though it was sqrt(-1)

  • Bryan (unregistered) in reply to John Riston

    TRWTF is why the bank doesn't ask for your entire password.

    If the bank had you enter your entire password, which could be up to 20 characters long. It could simply compare a hash and a brute force attack on your password would have at least (26 + 10) ^ 20 = 13,367,494,538,843,734,067,838,845,976,576 possible passwords to try. That's if the password isn't case sensitive.

    If they only ask you for 3 characters from your password, an attack only has 46656 possibilities to try.

    The can ask for only 3 without storing the plaintext if it's the same 3 characters every time (worst case).

    They can at least rotate which characters you're prompted for, hopefully randomly, if they do store the whole plaintext.

  • skztr (unregistered)

    I do all my shopping at Canterbury's now, the prices are a little higher than AShfordDA, but the quality makes up for it

  • Hans (unregistered)

    BizRate hired sarcastic developers :p

  • Hans (unregistered) in reply to skztr

    waitrose, ftw

  • rsynnott (unregistered) in reply to JC
    JC:

    Reminds me of the chuckle I got the other day watching one of those stupid cop clip shows where the American narrator says "This clip comes from Thames, England". I assume he didnt mean the river, but he must have heard of it and not heard of the Thames Valley as they were hurtling down the M4 around J8.

    Couldn't that be a reference to the semi-dead TV channel?

  • (cs) in reply to Bryan
    Bryan:
    TRWTF is why the bank doesn't ask for your entire password.

    If the bank had you enter your entire password, which could be up to 20 characters long. It could simply compare a hash and a brute force attack on your password would have at least (26 + 10) ^ 20 = 13,367,494,538,843,734,067,838,845,976,576 possible passwords to try. That's if the password isn't case sensitive.

    If they only ask you for 3 characters from your password, an attack only has 46656 possibilities to try.

    The can ask for only 3 without storing the plaintext if it's the same 3 characters every time (worst case).

    They can at least rotate which characters you're prompted for, hopefully randomly, if they do store the whole plaintext.

    I see your brute-force attack and raise you a keylogger.

  • IV (unregistered)

    It appears to me that the Skype phone isn't saying it can't divide by zero. It is giving a short instruction manual on how to do it. Which might actually be a bigger problem.

  • (cs) in reply to Mr B
    Mr B:
    I see your brute-force attack and raise you a keylogger.

    At least someone understands why they only ask for a fraction of your password - and why they'll only ask you for the same three characters if you get it wrong.

    If Ulster bank's online banking is exactly the same as NatWest's, then they'll ask you for your ID number, 3 digits from a PIN number and 3 characters from your password.

  • (cs) in reply to Bryan
    Bryan:
    TRWTF is why the bank doesn't ask for your entire password.

    If the bank had you enter your entire password, which could be up to 20 characters long. It could simply compare a hash and a brute force attack on your password would have at least (26 + 10) ^ 20 = 13,367,494,538,843,734,067,838,845,976,576 possible passwords to try. That's if the password isn't case sensitive.

    If they only ask you for 3 characters from your password, an attack only has 46656 possibilities to try.

    The can ask for only 3 without storing the plaintext if it's the same 3 characters every time (worst case).

    They can at least rotate which characters you're prompted for, hopefully randomly, if they do store the whole plaintext.

    Banks, at least in the UK, seem to understand neither the purpose of online banking nor the security required. The point, at least to my mind, is convenience (and less staff overhead for them), which is substantially lessened by the fact I now require my online ID, account details, bank card and PIN reader to log in.

    I can carry the information in my head. The card reader is unwieldy and my bank card lives in my wallet, in my coat, away from my desk. Sorry, I went off on a small rant there.

    The banks only ever ask for a subset of your password so that malicious parties can't peer at the whole thing on the way through the tubes. Brute force attacks don't work, because they've adopted the same three-strikes-and-it-doesn't-work-any-more approach to passwords as they have to PINs. If you get it wrong, you have to reset it and re-register.

    By post.

  • (cs) in reply to Voodoo Coder
    Voodoo Coder:
    Not a resident of Giggleswick:
    Have you ever actually looked at English place names? "Piggly Wiggly" would be mildly pedestrian.

    Check http://www.englishplacenames.co.uk/.

    Hence my comment. You should read it sometime.

    (You are aware that Piggly Wiggly IS a US supermarket chain, correct? From your response, you seem to have completely missed what I was saying...by a lot)

    FTFY, they are still in business

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