• Nix Nada (unregistered)

    a 'Sign Out' button to sign in is no worse than a Start button to shut down. What I'm saying is, this is not a frist for Microsoft.

  • Rnd( (unregistered)

    6,5GB/s is that a lot? Hmm under 100Gbs, not for consumers. And nice servers they have too.

  • TheSHEEEP (unregistered) in reply to Nix Nada
    Nix Nada:
    a 'Sign Out' button to sign in is no worse than a Start button to shut down. What I'm saying is, this is not a frist for Microsoft.
    QFT!
  • Sean (unregistered)

    That XP look hooky!

  • Josh (unregistered)

    The Mint one isn't a bug. It means the account connected to that goal lost that amount of money, either through investment losses or taking money out of it.

  • Rick (unregistered)

    TRWTF is allowing a radio shack anywhere near computers. They tried that in the early 1980s and does anyone remember how that worked out? For one thing, the world's worst word processing software ever!! As you began typing on page 2, page 1 was automatically saved to a separate file. As you began page 6, page 5 automatically overwrote the file for page 1. That's right! A silently imposed limit of 4 pages. Works great when you demo it in the store.

    (Anyone want to guess what happens when you insert text on page one, and the last sentence gets pushed down to page 2? Keep in mind we're working with earthworm-slow 8-inch floppies here.)

    Back then there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!" Like General Electric. A computer and a refrigerator look almost identical, so let's get in the business! They thought they'd just crank out a few mainframes with sturdy reinforcing brackets and all. The software... well... subroutines could only have names up to 6 characters long, and company policy required the magic letters "GE" at the beginning of everything just so you wouldn't forget their greatness, so you'd be writing code where GELOAD calls GEFIND then GEOPEN and if there was any error you call GEBORT (abort) to get yourself a handy dandy core dump.

    Yes. Computers are easy. Anybody can make them.

  • (cs) in reply to Josh
    Josh:
    The Mint one isn't a bug. It means the account connected to that goal lost that amount of money, either through investment losses or taking money out of it.

    Yes, but he's still 'on track' for meeting his goal. But I guess whether or not that's a WTF depends on how the regular payments have been keeping up and how much time is left to catch up again.

  • Ken (unregistered) in reply to Rick
    Rick:
    there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!"
    Kinda like when a mediocre law professor thinks "I helped organize a community of political activists in corrupt Chicago, so I can probably organize the world's economy"?
  • Gramie (unregistered) in reply to Ken

    Have you forgotten who came before the current president? His own party seems to have.

  • Nagesh (unregistered)

    Why would anyone be interested in JRebel? Eclipse can do hotswapping in Java and JBuilder was able to do it a decade ago.

  • (cs) in reply to Nagesh
    Nagesh:
    Why would anyone be interested in JRebel? Eclipse can do hotswapping in Java and JBuilder was able to do it a decade ago.
    Eclipse's hotswapping capabilities are poor. More often than not, you'll have to restart the server anyway if you make a change. I presume a commercial tool specialized in doing that could do a much better job. I haven't used it myself though.
  • (cs)

    Actually the Microsoft Learning message makes complete sense to me, especially if you've ever signed in to any MS site. The top right button reads "sign in" when no user is signed in, and "sign out" when you're currently signed in. You know, exactly like the "Sign On"/"Sign Off" link in the top right of this very site.

    The user is obviously currently signed in with a Microsoft account that is not for a certified professional. It could have been made more clear by saying "You will need to sign out and sign in with your certified professional Microsoft account or create a new certified professional Microsoft account", but it's honestly not that bad.

  • Oracle Admin (unregistered) in reply to LoremIpsumDolorSitAmet
    LoremIpsumDolorSitAmet:
    Nagesh:
    Why would anyone be interested in JRebel? Eclipse can do hotswapping in Java and JBuilder was able to do it a decade ago.
    Eclipse's hotswapping capabilities are poor. More often than not, you'll have to restart the server anyway if you make a change. I presume a commercial tool specialized in doing that could do a much better job. I haven't used it myself though.
    Will it work with Weblogic? Somebody try it and let me know.

    Actually, somebody try it and take some screenshots so it can be on next week's Error'd.

  • (cs) in reply to LoremIpsumDolorSitAmet
    LoremIpsumDolorSitAmet:
    I presume a commercial tool specialized in doing that could do a much better job.
    Cute! An idealist!
  • (cs) in reply to Rick
    Rick:
    TRWTF is allowing a radio shack anywhere near computers. They tried that in the early 1980s and does anyone remember how that worked out? For one thing, the world's worst word processing software ever!! As you began typing on page 2, page 1 was automatically saved to a separate file. As you began page 6, page 5 automatically overwrote the file for page 1. That's right! A silently imposed limit of 4 pages. Works great when you demo it in the store.

    That's horrible, but has little to do with the TRS-80 hardware itself, which was pretty good stuff. There are still a lot of fans of the Tandy 100 portable, which was unique.

  • Mr Minitel (unregistered) in reply to Rick
    Rick:
    TRWTF is allowing a radio shack anywhere near computers. They tried that in the early 1980s and does anyone remember how that worked out? For one thing, the world's worst word processing software ever!! As you began typing on page 2, page 1 was automatically saved to a separate file. As you began page 6, page 5 automatically overwrote the file for page 1. That's right! A silently imposed limit of 4 pages. Works great when you demo it in the store.

    (Anyone want to guess what happens when you insert text on page one, and the last sentence gets pushed down to page 2? Keep in mind we're working with earthworm-slow 8-inch floppies here.)

    Back then there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!" Like General Electric. A computer and a refrigerator look almost identical, so let's get in the business! They thought they'd just crank out a few mainframes with sturdy reinforcing brackets and all. The software... well... subroutines could only have names up to 6 characters long, and company policy required the magic letters "GE" at the beginning of everything just so you wouldn't forget their greatness, so you'd be writing code where GELOAD calls GEFIND then GEOPEN and if there was any error you call GEBORT (abort) to get yourself a handy dandy core dump.

    Yes. Computers are easy. Anybody can make them.

    Tandy is dandy, but Commodore j'adore

  • Rick (unregistered) in reply to operagost
    operagost:
    Rick:
    TRWTF is allowing a radio shack anywhere near computers. They tried that in the early 1980s and does anyone remember how that worked out? For one thing, the world's worst word processing software ever!! As you began typing on page 2, page 1 was automatically saved to a separate file. As you began page 6, page 5 automatically overwrote the file for page 1. That's right! A silently imposed limit of 4 pages. Works great when you demo it in the store.

    That's horrible, but has little to do with the TRS-80 hardware itself, which was pretty good stuff. There are still a lot of fans of the Tandy 100 portable, which was unique.

    So you're claiming the hardware got the nickname "Trash-80" due to the software alone?

    And my point was kinda that selling computers is not just selling hardware (though a lot of companies thought so, early on, including the radio store). It needs at least a bare minimum of non-sucky software so you can bootstrap it up to the point where you can install the rest of your stuff.

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to Ken
    Ken:
    Rick:
    there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!"
    Kinda like when a mediocre law professor thinks "I helped organize a community of political activists in corrupt Chicago, so I can probably organize the world's economy"?

    Still sore huh?

  • (cs) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Ken:
    Rick:
    there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!"
    Kinda like when a mediocre law professor thinks "I helped organize a community of political activists in corrupt Chicago, so I can probably organize the world's economy"?

    Still sore huh?

    We're all hurting.

  • Ken (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Ken:
    Rick:
    there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!"
    Kinda like when a mediocre law professor thinks "I helped organize a community of political activists in corrupt Chicago, so I can probably organize the world's economy"?
    Still sore huh?
    Economy still sucks, so, yeah.
  • Lenny (unregistered) in reply to Ken
    Ken:
    Anon:
    Ken:
    Rick:
    there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!"
    Kinda like when a mediocre law professor thinks "I helped organize a community of political activists in corrupt Chicago, so I can probably organize the world's economy"?
    Still sore huh?
    Economy still sucks, so, yeah.
    Sure the economy is in the tank, but that's entirely the fault of the guy we elected four years ago, not the current guy.
  • RakerF1 (unregistered) in reply to Lenny
    Lenny:
    Ken:
    Anon:
    Ken:
    Rick:
    there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!"
    Kinda like when a mediocre law professor thinks "I helped organize a community of political activists in corrupt Chicago, so I can probably organize the world's economy"?
    Still sore huh?
    Economy still sucks, so, yeah.
    Sure the economy is in the tank, but that's entirely the fault of the guy we elected four years ago, not the current guy.

    Um... that's the same guy...

  • QJo (unregistered) in reply to Ken
    Ken:
    Anon:
    Ken:
    Rick:
    there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!"
    Kinda like when a mediocre law professor thinks "I helped organize a community of political activists in corrupt Chicago, so I can probably organize the world's economy"?
    Still sore huh?
    Economy still sucks, so, yeah.

    Nothing wrong with the economy. I'm doing just fine, thanks.

  • RFmich (unregistered)

    I read that - as negative.. you're much worse off than you thought. Over $2,000 in the red.

  • Ozz (unregistered) in reply to RakerF1
    RakerF1:
    Lenny:
    Ken:
    Anon:
    Ken:
    Rick:
    there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!"
    Kinda like when a mediocre law professor thinks "I helped organize a community of political activists in corrupt Chicago, so I can probably organize the world's economy"?
    Still sore huh?
    Economy still sucks, so, yeah.
    Sure the economy is in the tank, but that's entirely the fault of the guy we elected four years ago, not the current guy.

    Um... that's the same guy...

    WOOSH!

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to Ken
    Ken:
    Anon:
    Ken:
    Rick:
    there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!"
    Kinda like when a mediocre law professor thinks "I helped organize a community of political activists in corrupt Chicago, so I can probably organize the world's economy"?
    Still sore huh?
    Economy still sucks, so, yeah.

    And that's in no way the responsibility of the guy in power when the economy tanked? Or of the people in congress who would rather hold a gun to the head of the economy than negotiate in good faith.

    Want some cheese with your whine?

  • Pat (unregistered) in reply to Lenny
    Lenny:
    Ken:
    Anon:
    Still sore huh?
    Economy still sucks, so, yeah.
    Sure the economy is in the tank, but that's entirely the fault of the guy we elected four years ago, not the current guy.
    Maybe -- what if -- oh, it is too horrendous to even think -- but what if the global economy is so diverse and complicated that nobody could ever be smart enough to control it all?

    I guess we'd just to have to descend into anarchy and chaos. It would be hopeless.

    Lucky thing the people who happen to be very good at spinning stories to win elections are exactly the same people who happen to be very good at understanding complicated math functions with billions of variables (people).

  • SirMarksalot (unregistered) in reply to Bacon Bits
    Bacon Bits:
    Actually the Microsoft Learning message makes complete sense to me, especially if you've ever signed in to any MS site. The top right button reads "sign in" when no user is signed in, and "sign out" when you're currently signed in. You know, exactly like the "Sign On"/"Sign Off" link in the top right of this very site.

    The user is obviously currently signed in with a Microsoft account that is not for a certified professional. It could have been made more clear by saying "You will need to sign out and sign in with your certified professional Microsoft account or create a new certified professional Microsoft account", but it's honestly not that bad.

    Having worked with Live ID, I'm not at all surprised to see a bug like this. Live is responsible for drawing its own sign-in/sign-out controls, but at the same time won't give you a straight answer as to whether the user is signed in or not. You have to have your own logic to determine the user's signed-in state, and then you tell Live to give you the "sign in" link. Except that the "sign in" link is a "sign out" link if there's a user logged in.

    So your internal logic tells you that the user is signed out (maybe because they don't have an entry in your service) so you display your "sign in" message, but Live knows there's a user signed in, so it displays a "sign out" link, and you end up with the situation here. Usually I see it the other way around, though ("You are signed in as Get Your Gamercard").

  • (cs) in reply to Rick
    Rick:
    The software... well... subroutines could only have names up to 6 characters long, and company policy required the magic letters "GE" at the beginning of everything just so you wouldn't forget their greatness, so you'd be writing code where GELOAD calls GEFIND then GEOPEN and if there was any error you call GEBORT (abort) to get yourself a handy dandy core dump.

    This site should automatically prepend "In my own experience, " to every comment submitted.

  • Ken B (unregistered)

    The Staples one says that it's "67¢ per roll". So the problem isn't the price, it's that it doesn't show the proper 15-billion pack of paper towels.

    The Mass Effect download is just missing the rest of the text after the ellipsis, which actually says "1 second remaining until we can estimate the amount of time remaining".

    As for the Microsoft one, I'd like to point out that their DreamSpark site always has a "sign in" link, even when you're signed in. (And there's no indication whether you are signed in or not. Unless, that is, you try to download something that requires you to be logged in and you aren't.)

  • (cs)

    Mileages to Radio Shack? I really don't know, but I've been to every one shown on that map. Some are better than others as far as "knowledge".

    As for computers, I think that one of the better ones was the Color Computer. Did just enough to get what small jobs done. If you wanted to really fly, load OS-9 on it, and multitask to your hearts content. Way before PC's had anything like it (1982 or so).

  • Mr.Bob (unregistered)

    Radio Shack: You've Got Questions, We've Got Cell Phones!

  • Geoff (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Ken:
    And that's in no way the responsibility of the guy in power when the economy tanked? Or of the people in congress who would rather hold a gun to the head of the economy than negotiate in good faith.

    Head you said negotiate I would have let you off but there is not any "good faith" on the other side at all. The President nor the democratic caucus has any intention of doing any sort of entitlement reform, and neither side has any real interest in addressing defense spending.

    The GOP says they won't do any revenue but they just passed legislation that actually does quite a bit of it; because they were forced, to save the sacred cow that is the DOD.

    Both sides are entirely recalcitrant so I don't fault either for resorting to extortion when the option presents itself. Now the GOP has the debt ceiling so its the DNCs turn to bleed.

    This is the way our politics works now get over it and get used to it.

  • Anachronda (unregistered) in reply to Rick
    Rick:
    (Anyone want to guess what happens when you insert text on page one, and the last sentence gets pushed down to page 2? Keep in mind we're working with earthworm-slow 8-inch floppies here.)

    Musta been one of them fancy Model 2s or Model 16s.

  • Anachronda (unregistered) in reply to Lenny
    Lenny:
    Sure the economy is in the tank, but that's entirely the fault of the guy we elected four years ago, not the current guy.

    (looks at calendar. counts on fingers.)

    blink blink

  • Paula (unregistered) in reply to Geoff

    Stop the political shit and focus on something we can all agree on: Irish Girl.

    Brillant!

  • (cs)

    Did they introduce some type of new math this week? I must have missed that.

    Which isn't really such a bit deal since it's clear that those who are using it, clearly don't know how.

  • Ben Jammin (unregistered) in reply to Lenny
    Lenny:
    Sure the economy is in the tank, but that's entirely the fault of the guy we elected four years ago, not the current guy.
    I'm unfortunately not surprised as to how many comments seem to have missed the point/joke in yours.
  • (cs)

    Sorry Dennis, Not a Wtf. Its what happens when you install xp from a precracked iso from tpb. Not microsoft's fault (We have enough to work with on their legit wtfs).

  • Jazz (unregistered) in reply to SirMarksalot
    SirMarksalot:
    Having worked with Live ID, I'm not at all surprised to see a bug like this. Live is responsible for drawing its own sign-in/sign-out controls, but at the same time won't give you a straight answer as to whether the user is signed in or not. You have to have your own logic to determine the user's signed-in state, and then you tell Live to give you the "sign in" link. Except that the "sign in" link is a "sign out" link if there's a user logged in.

    So your internal logic tells you that the user is signed out (maybe because they don't have an entry in your service) so you display your "sign in" message, but Live knows there's a user signed in, so it displays a "sign out" link, and you end up with the situation here. Usually I see it the other way around, though ("You are signed in as Get Your Gamercard").

    So why not simply request the sign-in link, then inspect it to determine whether a sign-in or sign-out link was returned, and use that to determine once-and-for-all whether someone is signed-in to Live?

    In other words -- if there are methods that return nondeterministic values, and there are methods that return deterministic values, maybe we should use the latter to work around the former.

  • jay (unregistered) in reply to LoremIpsumDolorSitAmet
    LoremIpsumDolorSitAmet:
    Josh:
    The Mint one isn't a bug. It means the account connected to that goal lost that amount of money, either through investment losses or taking money out of it.

    Yes, but he's still 'on track' for meeting his goal. But I guess whether or not that's a WTF depends on how the regular payments have been keeping up and how much time is left to catch up again.

    You could lose or withdraw money one month and still be on goal. Like, if my goal is to save $100 per month, and the first two months I save $200 each month and then the third month I withdraw $50, my net savings for three months is $350 versus goal of $300. So I'm still ahead.

    That said, saying you lost or withdraw over $2,000 out of $1600, well, does that mean you now have a balance of -400? Even if negative balances are possible on whatever kind of account this is, it's hard to see how you're still on goal. (Unless you work for the Obama administration and your goal is to lose money. :-) Or maybe they mean that after losting $2,000 you have $1,600 left?

    In any case, saying you gained -2000 is an awfully poor way of describing it. Can't they write code that says "if change>0 print 'gained'+change else print 'lost'+(-change)"? That doesn't seem that tough and it would be a lot more clear to the user.

  • jay (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    And that's in no way the responsibility of the guy in power when the economy tanked?

    That's right! It's all Jimmy Carter's fault! You can't blame Bush for not fixing all the problems created by Jimmy Carter.

  • jay (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Or of the people in congress who would rather hold a gun to the head of the economy than negotiate in good faith.

    Two sides are negotiating. Both sides are convinced that their position is the best idea. Side D isn't willing to budge an inch. Side R is only willing to budge a fraction of an inch. By what standard do you say that the deadlock is all the fault of side R?

  • Paul Neumann (unregistered) in reply to Mr Minitel
    Mr Minitel:
    Tandy is dandy, but Commodore j'adore
    F***ing french bastard!
  • Paul Neumann (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    And that's in no way the responsibility of the guy in power when the economy tanked? Or of the people in congress who would rather hold a gun to the head of the economy than negotiate in good faith.

    Want some cheese with your whine?

    The congress will not be holding any guns until they are illegal for the rest of the country.

  • Elron the Fantastic (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Ken:
    Anon:
    Ken:
    Rick:
    there were a lot of companies that thought "a computer has wires, we sell stuff with wires, so we're golden!"
    Kinda like when a mediocre law professor thinks "I helped organize a community of political activists in corrupt Chicago, so I can probably organize the world's economy"?
    Still sore huh?
    Economy still sucks, so, yeah.

    And that's in no way the responsibility of the guy in power when the economy tanked? Or of the people in congress who would rather hold a gun to the head of the economy than negotiate in good faith.

    Want some cheese with your whine?

    2 Wrongs don't make a right.

  • (cs) in reply to Geoff
    Geoff:
    And that's in no way the option presents itself. Now the GOP has the debt ceiling so its the DNCs turn to bleed.

    This is the way our politics works now get over it and get used to it.

    But is it HOW it should work?

    Slate magazine has an excellent article on this... Link debt with spending when the spending bill is introduced. Congress wants to spend 1.2 trillian dollars on faucet handles? Automatically add 1.2 trillian to the debt ceiling. Badda bing!

    Now, what was that about Irish Girl??

  • (cs) in reply to herby

    gah. why would anyone go to radio shack when there are Fry's around? Unless they've changed since I moved away, and have gotten away from having the 3-4 aisles of what i'd consider 'radio-shack-stuff' (capacitors, wire, soldering irons, etc.)

    The rule my friends and I had was to not ask for help at Fry's on principle because, well, at the time if you could spell computer you could find a real job, or fool a VC into giving you millions of dollars for an idea with no implementation.

  • drummerp (unregistered) in reply to LoremIpsumDolorSitAmet

    I can certainly agree with that. At my work we use JRebel with Eclipse, and until I was able to get a JRebel licence when I first signed up, hotswapping with Eclipse was a horrible pain. I found it easier and faster to restart the server without even bothering to try hotswapping whenever I changed my code. Then I got a JRebel licence from work and hooked that up to run whenever I updated code in Eclipse, and that made things so much easier and faster. It works like a charm, really.

  • Bill C. (unregistered) in reply to jay
    jay:
    Anon:
    And that's in no way the responsibility of the guy in power when the economy tanked?
    That's right! It's all Jimmy Carter's fault! You can't blame Bush for not fixing all the problems created by Jimmy Carter.
    What a relief, everyone's forgotten about me.

    Now what was that about Irish Girl?

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