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Name a file something.mp3.mp3? I didn't know you could do that!
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Captcha: smile - you're on candid camera. I hate that show :(
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well, yes, but they strip at the same time too
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i didn't know you could do that...
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What about emocamgirls.edu?
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Didn't some versions of MS-DOS have an unformat command?
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And yes, MS-DOS 5-6 (or something like that) did have an unformat command. Not sure how well it worked, though. Besides, it didn't work if you had installed Windows.
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the real WTF is pompous mac fanbois lack of a sense of humor
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Since no particular place on the dialog is "easiest" to hit, the buttons should be placed in order from most likely to use to least likely to use. Now I don't know about Apple or GNOME users, but I read English from left to right. Therefore I would expect the most used option on the left and the least used on the right.
Screwing with that order due to some imagined "easiest to press" button is retarded.
GNOME takes it a step further and explains that most users would expect frequently used options on the right because that's the way real-world appliances are set up. I really don't know where to start with that one, other than to ask if anyone has ever noticed that fact. And if anything they own actually follows that "rule".
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And let's not forget that Message Authentication Codes are also awesomely useful.
Oh no, you are right! All this time I thought Mac OS X was an easy to use and feature-rich operating system, but now that I actually tried some more stuff out I noticed that none of the pretty buttons does anything except the iTunes one (this is why I didn't notice before!!!).
I am so pissed off, I will write to Steve Jobs and demand a full refund + damages immediately as soon as I find a non-fake way of writing an email.
There is no explanation. Though shalt not depart from the One Microsoft Way or the Wrath of Steve Ballmer shall rain down on you!
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I did very briefly work for a small company where the new security scheme, invented by the President and co-owner, was to ask all employees to rename their files with arbitrary numbers - for example, mw_claims_05_2006.doc might become 5647, or 5647.doc - I'm not sure if extensions were allowed. Employees were expected to either remember all of the new names or to keep an index with descriptions in one of the files.
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hows CS3 running on your Linux box.... oh wait...
captcha: Alarm ... sound them cause here come the flames
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How about "You have deleted [filename]. OK/Undo" - if they click OK, actually delete it.
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And get off the emo cam girls, guys.
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I think it's actually Webdings, not Wingdings in this case?
Bahahahaha... YouTube spam reference? I really hate those YouTube spammers.Admin
Screwing with the order? It's been like that on Macs since before Windows was a platform.
The OK button is to the right of the Cancel button for the same reason that the 'Next' button is to the right of the 'Back' button in a Wizard. It's a perfectly natural button layout: Right = Forward, Left = Back.
The button that causes damage or data loss (like "Don't Save") is removed from the standard OK/Cancel button locations, for obvious reasons.
Not to mention that the buttons are named by verb, rather than those satanic Yes/No/Cancel dialogs you always see in Windows.
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Next time somebody decides to fake up a Windows dialog box to prove whatever point they have, they should make sure the spelling is correct.
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Blah, blah, blah. There's a long argument going between people about button placement in dialog boxes. I just want to take the time to mention that, despite my not caring who "wins" this argument, Apple and some other folks have actually studied this kind of stuff. With people doing research and stuff. Now, Apple might not have everything (or even anything) right, but they do have a set of published Human Interface Guidelines (google it yourself if you're interested). The apple HIG have been revised for the newfangled OSX stuff, but they've been around for ages.
For example, it turns out that it is easier to hit the button in the lower-right of the window. You might not notice, especially since you're all computer-savvy, but it's true. Now, you can argue about whether or not you ought to put the "okay" or the "cancel" button in the easiest-to-get-to location, but the people at apple have decided on their own what should go there.
I'm not trying to sound like a fanboi here. What I'm trying to point out is that good interface design is difficult, but can be informed by real research, rather than anecdotal "it works best for me" style design. It's just as hard as good database design. The dialog in question: now that's just plain weird/funny. There's all sorts of bad software (and even sometimes, bad design) for the Mac. You just don't see it as much around here, for whatever reason.
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... and the correct version of Windows is used.
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I understand your confusion. MAC does indeed look like the acronym MAC, but I was in fact shouting MAC as I have a nervous tick whenever I think of alternatives to the mainstream.
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People read left-to-right. (Or whatever direction their language reads.) When people see a dialog, they don't think "what do I need to click to move to the next action" they think "oh, it's asking me a question, what answer do I want?" and then they'll read the available answers from left-to-right because that's the way people read.
Those are caused by idiot programmers who are too lazy to create their own dialogs and insist on using Windows's MessageBox function. (Although you could also argue Windows could provide a method for changing the button names.)Besides, Vista has a much better interface for choosing multiple actions than either the Apple dialog shown here or the little dialog you created. It provides large button strips with a verb and then a short description of what the action does under them. The best and most common example is probably the "This program has crashed" dialog.
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You're looking at this from the wrong point of view.
Apple's HIG allows people to skim dialogs instead of reading them. This has two important implications for usability. First, note that the Apple HIG always puts the confirmation button in the same place. ALWAYS. The button will ALWAYS be on the lower right corner of a window or dialog in a Apple HIG compliant application. If you're sure your previous action is correct, you can go straight for the button or hit enter. Since there's no need to examine alternatives, there's no need to read anything.
If you do not want to confirm an action, you will have to read/skim from left to right. In which case, putting the confirmation button on the left marginally wastes your time in the way you described.
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Then Apple is retarded. You know what they say about premature optimization?
If you need to optimize user speed through dialog boxes, you're using them too much! (Based on iTunes under Windows, there's a good chance that this is in fact true for Apple. Do you want to remove this? Yes/No Do you want to delete it? Delete/Waste Disk Space)
There's a simple reality that Apple's HIG completely forgets: no one is going to notice that! Users read from left to right, and nearly everyone expects "yes" to appear before "no". Dialogs should appear infrequent enough that the user needs to read through them, they shouldn't be popping up often enough that placing buttons out of normal read order speeds up usage.
Seriously, no normal user is going to think "oh, the confirmation button is always on the right" they're going to read through the dialog and wonder why the options are out of order.
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I agree that some applications abuse dialogs. But it isn't common. I like being able to skip past "Save or Quit" dialogs, for instance, because I actually do want to quit. There are plenty of boilerplate dialogs I would rather skip, but are necessary. This is true of Windows as well.
There's a simple reality that you completely forget: people learn through Pavlovian mechanisms. The user doesn't have to think about where the confirmation button is. They just know, through conditioning. You can't have that kind of conditioning if the button order changes by context.
By the way, the confirmation/action/do what i say button is on the bottom right in every window that requires one, including dialog boxes. So this Pavlovian mechanism optimizes speed everywhere.
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Let me start by saying I have a deep seated hatred for apple technology (surpassed only by my disdain for the glorified weasles from Ann Arbor). I'd like to elaborate but that's not the point. I agree with the apple approach here.
If apple has stuck to this for so long, most users probably DO have an implicit understanding of this logical justification. Somehow clicking on options on the right side does even seem more natural for some reason. Remember that our indoctrination into the arbitrary standards of our own systems is a very strong impediment to objectivity which many of computing's best minds have commented in far more powerful and eloquent language.
The Yes/No/Cancel IS just the beginning of the myriad WTFs of windows apps but contrary to the sarcastic reference to "the One Microsoft Way" by AdT, this just underscores the obscene amount of diversity in windows developers that there is no one way in windows which frees the less disciplined developer to keep this site busy with ever increasing WTFs.
On a separate note, has noone else considered that the files being referenced in the 3rd case are a set of gif files? An overly ambitious icon management program could display the contents of the files in place of the file names to product these results. I've no proof but it is a possible scenerio... or was this too obvious to mention...
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...And remember that Windows doesn't have Kernel Panics. It has Bug Checks or Stop Errors.
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... and their message boxes aren't titled "Placeholder", even if the programmer didn't change the default title.
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Dialog boxes aren't, they've never been about optimizing speed. If you're so sure that the user did what he intended to, then don't pop-up the dialog at all, it will be way faster.
Dialogs are about double-checking a potentially data-loss user action. And so it's better to place the 'safest' button on the best spot i.e. lower right. If you think cancel should be in the middle, word your question in a way that ok is the harmless answer (though it will seem strange at first).
I think the stupidiest dialogs out there are those when I copy 1000 mp3 to my player and some of them are identical, but others aren't. The Replace dialog could have a button "Skip identical files" (by name and timestamp) and it would save a hell of a time. Anyway, even if I don't like the way MS uses dialogs they're nicely built, button positions and all.
Yeah, Pavlovian mechanism, speed improments, all this crap huh? Then tell me, have you ever had to search for an file recovery app because you deleted the wrong file? How long would a common user lose on this simple hunt? Not to mention those who don't even know whether it's possible, or what/where to search the web for. How much time did they gain because they pressed a button without reading?
It can only be worse when it comes to formatting. Well, forget Pavlov, and leave him to his ducks.
captcha: cognac --> ooh the worlld is spiiinnning...
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Not once, no. That's what the Trash is for. In fact, I usually use a keyboard shortcut to empty the trash without a confirmation dialog.
Formatting is handled by the Disk Utility, and requires running sudo. So don't be dense. Users will do a doubletake and read a dialog box if they don't expect to see it from repeated usage. Or if they don't expect to see it in the context of the application they're running. Or if it's asking for administrative permission.
I'm done with this. Your kind of troll is boring. /b/ is far more interesting.
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I haven't used iTunes on Windows, but on Mac OS, contrary to the UAC and Windows Defender annoyances under Windows Vista, these dialog boxes all have a "don't ask me again" checkbox for your convenience.
Now try to create a 'C:\Program Files\Whatever' folder on a fresh install of Windows Vista. The last time I tried this, I got no less than four dialog boxes.
That's off the top of my head and the exact wording was certainly different, but you (hopefully) get the point. Why does Windows Explorer have to create a "New Folder" in the first place instead of just creating a folder called "Whatever"?
Where "normal user" means someone who is used to using Windows and unintelligent? Seriously, anyone who has been using either system for some time will figure out where the confirmation button is. Most rhesus monkeys would be smart enough to figure it out.
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Absolutely. The cowardly Mac OS and Linux kernels may panic, but the Windows kernel just laughs in the face of death!
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Actually, in my experience, it appears as if they actually think "Oh, it's asking me a question, which button will proceed with my current course of action? I certainly won't read the message to see if it presents any reason why I might want to rethink what I'm doing. Especially if I can cause a virus infestation or major data loss!"
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iTunes for windows has to be just about the most stupid, prescriptive, unintuitive, inflexible, crassly restrictive program I have ever had the displeasure to use. Interestingly apt that it thus embodies the Worst of Both Worlds.
Seriously, if you have more than one user, or want to share your files over a network or use a NAS, just don't go there. There are better programs even for maintaining your ipod (should you be mad enough to own one of those things)
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I hate unicode. If plain ol' ascii was good enough for Aristotle, Jesus and Shakespeare it's good enough for anyone.
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The filename, incidentally, is "thermallogie.gif"
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You've been able to right click on macs for years. All you do is get something than the shitty mouse that came with all of them before the latest refresh. Mighty mouse has right click, though its a little finicky. And by a little I mean a lot.
And by "A lot" I mean "I'm a mac user and I just bought a damn logitech because the mighty mouse is useless, despite sharing a name with one of my favourite cartoons."
I was hoping on some level that iTunes on the mac would be less useless than on the PC.
I learned my lesson fast there, I did.
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VISTA is eye candy... OS X is Unix :)
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