• glwtta (unregistered)

    Wow, I guess "being able to read the damn thing" is not an important consideration for design-related resumes.

  • (cs) in reply to Slicerwizard
    Slicerwizard:
    OldCoder:
    So you have an infinite supply of work clothes, then? Riding more than about 4 miles each way every day will trash whatever you're wearing, so it's something fresh every day - or smell.
    Uh, it should be fresh clothes every day whether you cycled to work or not. Yes, even for geeks.

    Assuming you're not including trousers in that, I would agree. Trousers get changed twice a - working - week, everything else is every day.

    Well, other than shoes, obviously. Although I guess I could change those nearly every day too.

  • nerdy girl (unregistered)
    "so, how do you feel about working with men wearing full-body spandex suits?"

    Why hasn't this ever happened to me?

    Seriously, though, I think my response would be that it depends on the man. If the guy is really dedicated enough to cycling to justify that bodysuit, I'd say it would be more a benefit than a deterrent. Also, don't tell anyone I told you, but yes, some of us females find fresh man-sweat to be enticing, too. At least, those of us who haven't been socialized out of every single biological response by the unrealistic depictions in entertainment and the media.

  • Brady kelly (unregistered)

    @Eliot, you are the WYF. You could have gotten drunk and laid, never mind setting up a major geek-driven drug and prostitution ring.

    I hope your family remembers you as the 'boy who never tried', you sad and ethical wanker.

  • (cs) in reply to Bicycle Pirate
    Arrrr, why do those douchenozzles have to wear sponsor-laden spandex while riding their bicycle to work? I am ashamed to be a bicyclist when packs of them ride by. Nobody is sponsoring them either! Seriously, normal shorts or jeans and a t-shirt work just as well. Even if you're cycling 50+ miles you don't need spandex or any of that junk.

    This, yeah.

    "Other people can ride a bicycle without dressing up as an idiot, why can't you?".

  • (cs) in reply to H.R.
    H.R.:
    Rule 3. And whatever you do, never ever joke to a qualified female candidate who is a woman!

    As opposed to a qualified female candidate who is a man, I suppose.

  • EatenByAGrue (unregistered)
    Either that, or you could comment him every day on how nice his moose-knuckle looks. Eventually, unless he's a fag, he'll start to feel uncomfortable and stop wearing the god damned suit.
    The very last thing I'd want is for him to stop wearing the suit, unless he's also been convinced to put on some other clothes.
  • IT Girl (unregistered) in reply to MrsPost
    MrsPost:
    Steve H:
    Being female, she was pretty much guaranteed a job offer as soon as she sent in her résumé

    That's pretty much the Real WTF right there, not least because it's true.

    Sweet. I'll be golden in my next job search then. And for the record, that comment about full body spandex wouldn't have phased me had the rest of the interview been good. If I were comfortable with the interviewer I probably would have brought up Pants-Free Friday in my response.

    Women in IT need to have a sense of humor and a LOT of self-confidence.

    I agree...wouldn't it be nice to believe that simple gender puts us ahead in our bid for a job just because the field is male-dominated. Even if you're the most qualified candidate in the pool, the guys often find a problem with hiring you.

    I once had 4 interviews for an entry level position. Our small group was where all the women in the entire IT department were. There were 3 of us.

    The supervisor tried to hire an incredibly unqualified guy because he didn't want another woman on his team. by the 3rd interview they had to bring in a programmer (this wasn't a programming job) to ask the technical questions (because the supervisor wouldn't have known the answers) and I, apparently, knew more than the women that were about to become my colleagues.

    This supervisor finally had to hire me because the HR representative told him I'd have a case of discrimination if he didn't. All this came out after I took the job, which turned into 2 years of sheer hell because this guy didn't want to hire me in the first place. I tell so many wtf stories about that job it's scary.

    .. and yes, he was constantly derided by all the other IT divisions for having all the "girls" on his team.

  • Old Man (unregistered) in reply to H.R.
    H.R.:
    Rule 3. And whatever you do, never ever joke to a qualified female candidate who is a woman!
    As opposed to the qualified female candidates who are males? :p
  • Altimeter (unregistered) in reply to OldCoder
    OldCoder:
    So you have an infinite supply of work clothes, then?

    My washin machinez

    Letz me sho you them

  • (cs)

    wooden table resume:

    http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/27.jpg

  • (cs)

    also, how did this one slip in:

    http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/19.jpg

    And this one is just funny somehow, maybe it's a cultural thing: http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/22.jpg

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to nerdy girl
    nerdy girl:
    "so, how do you feel about working with men wearing full-body spandex suits?"

    Why hasn't this ever happened to me?

    Seriously, though, I think my response would be that it depends on the man. If the guy is really dedicated enough to cycling to justify that bodysuit, I'd say it would be more a benefit than a deterrent. Also, don't tell anyone I told you, but yes, some of us females find fresh man-sweat to be enticing, too. At least, those of us who haven't been socialized out of every single biological response by the unrealistic depictions in entertainment and the media.

    I'll have you know that your male colleagues aren't their just for you to ogle at. We're more than just eye candy you know!

  • TheFaithfulStone (unregistered)

    That graphic designer is obviously overqualified.

    Clearly, he used to be an creative director or something, and just penciled this out real quick with the intent of giving it to one of the production guys to typeset.

  • (cs) in reply to OldCoder
    OldCoder:
    2.5 is doable in work clothes, more really isn't.

    Aside from comfort, there is the wear and tear on the pants. I'm only 1.5 miles from work, and even at that distance a pair of pants won't last more than a year. If crotchless man pants ever come into style, I'm set!

  • (cs) in reply to hinek
    hinek:
    I don't know what followed the cover letter, but I think it's a great idea: It really stands out, exactly what you want ...

    I would have considered this person for a position which needs creativity ... such as ehm ... designer ...

    Indeed everyone seems to have overlooked the single most innovative feature of the design: he drew the whole thing upside-down! (Shame Alex got the GIF the wrong way up and spoiled the effect though.)
  • Homer (unregistered) in reply to Robb
    Robb:
    Ned Flanders: Feels like i'm wearing nothing at all!!
    Stupid Flanders!
  • nerdy girl (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    I'll have you know that your male colleagues aren't their just for you to ogle at. We're more than just eye candy you know!

    Oh, I know, especially if said eye candy is also a tech geek. That there's actual partner material, that is!

  • A Gould (unregistered) in reply to IT Girl
    IT Girl:
    .. and yes, he was constantly derided by all the other IT divisions for having all the "girls" on his team.

    To which the correct answer is either: (a) "you're just jealous you didn't think of it first" or (b) "you prefer hanging around men all day?" or (c) "I just hired for talent. Why - what did you hire for?"

  • Zapp Brannigan (unregistered) in reply to Homer
    Homer:
    Robb:
    Ned Flanders: Feels like i'm wearing nothing at all!!
    Stupid Flanders!
    Stupid sexy Flanders!
  • JB (unregistered) in reply to DrJDX

    I don't know, I think there are plenty of straight men who would have been a little put off the job by the "guy in spandex" comment.

    "Didja ever see a Gladiator movie, Bobby?"

  • Vlad Patryshev (unregistered)

    Regarding topic #1. They are idiots. I'd hire this designer immediately.

    Regarding topic #3. There's a dress code at Google. Namely, two rules:

    • don't come naked;
    • don't come wearing just that speedo (this rule applies to only one guy, I'll omit his name).

    And? And it's okay, there are tons of pretty happy females working there; I don't think they are insulted by anything they encounter.

  • Migala (unregistered) in reply to Vlad Patryshev
    Vlad Patryshev:
    - don't come wearing just that speedo (this rule applies to only one guy, I'll omit his name).

    Is it Dries Roelvink? (ok, that's just for the dutch people out there)

  • (cs) in reply to H.R.
    H.R.:
    Rule 2. Especially do not joke to a female candidate. Unlike everywhere else on the planet, when at work, females do not like jokes and they will sue your ass into next fiscal year.

    Rule 3. And whatever you do, never ever joke to a qualified female candidate who is a woman!

    Q: How many women does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    A: That's not funny!

  • s73v3r (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous Crowd

    Reminds me of the episode of The Simpsons where they went skiing.

    "The spandex ski suit makes me feel like I'm wearing nothing at all."

    "Stupid sexy Flanders!"

  • superani (unregistered)

    I would have totally interviewed the dude with the fax. The application posters behind the link are quite nice but there's basically 10 tutorials for each of them on the web... The first one is classy, minimalistic, and creative.

    At least check his portfolio.

  • Xythar (unregistered) in reply to amischiefr
    amischiefr:
    As opposed to a female candidate that is a transvestite? Or maybe the man counterpart in a lesbian relationship?
    Arancaytar:
    As opposed to a qualified female candidate who is a man, I suppose.
    Old Man:
    As opposed to the qualified female candidates who are males? :p

    I swear, you guys have managed to turn "not getting the joke" into an art form.

  • anon (unregistered)

    You see, there's something called “common courtesy.” It means that even if you don't mind if someone runs around in spandex while smelling like Ugg the Caveman, you understand that other people do. Lacking common courtesy is a splendid reason to be overlooked for promotions and considered for lay-offs, because there surely is someone else out there who will do the same job you do while not acting like a complete asshat.

  • moz (unregistered) in reply to Adriano
    Adriano:
    OldCoder:
    Jeans? You obviously don't live in a climate which includes rain.
    If you get rain while cycling, you're fucked anyway. Or are you going to tell us that spandex is so much better than denim to hold out water?
    You're not fucked, just wet. And, while wet lycra still stretches as you move your legs, wet denim continues to slide instead. Only now it's that bit heavier and that much rougher on what's left of the skin underneath.

    Waterproof overtrousers are also good, though.

  • Shinobu (unregistered) in reply to Brady kelly
    Brady kelly:
    WYF
    What ye fuck? You might as well go all the way and say Ye Olde What Ye Fucke.
  • stu (unregistered)

    Was Jonathan Wakuda Fischer applying for the bass in a Beatle band?

    Perhaps he should ask the covers of his records be done by Krista Gregg... she's a Grahiic Designer after all! Maybe her number is on Google Earth, too.

  • Kam (unregistered)

    Whaddya know? The banner ads for the "moose knuckle" definition feature brand new pictures of Irish Girl...

    Was she wearing a full-body spandex suit? If not, that's the real wtf.

  • (cs) in reply to Roland Studer
    Roland Studer:
    The person who faxed this, really stood out. If this were the cover of a well designed portfolio, the applicant might be a genius…
    But the fact that he faxed it upside down took a bit away from the shine.
  • db (unregistered) in reply to DrJDX
    DrJDX:
    If you ask me, she's just a wee-bit hypersensitive

    Maybe not, it could be the "if they are telling me this what aren't they telling me" situation, or there could be a lot more to the story. I've had a couple of interviews where I had misgivings about the job that turned out to be justified.

  • (cs) in reply to SenTree
    SenTree:
    Anon:
    My thoughts too. Some of them are very clever and pretty, but if I can't even figure out where I'm suppose to start, then it kind of fails.
    Took me a moment to realise you weren't commenting on the female candidate thread !
    WIN!
  • (cs) in reply to mace
    mace:
    I thought part of practical graphic design was being able to communicate information efficiently. Most of these people managed to prove that they're terrible at it before they even set for in the building.

    I've been writing software for 20 years, with the last 10 spent doing User Interface. Most (but not all) designers I've met and worked with in that time are more concerned with the appearance of something than its function or how well it communicates its information.

    I recall the designer (at a company the whole web was "abuzz" about for a while) creating business cards for us that were yellow text on a white background. He thought it was the coolest thing in the world, and wasn't terribly concerned that it was impossible to read.

    Then there were the designers at the company (well, evil overlords, if you want to be "semantic"ly correct) that one of my startups was acquired by. They felt that all browser-based applications should have identical layouts (right down to the labels on the high-level tabs) whether or not the layout fit the application's purpose or the labels were actually relevant.

  • Forsaken (unregistered) in reply to IT Girl
    IT Girl:
    .. and yes, he was constantly derided by all the other IT divisions for having all the "girls" on his team.

    As someone who works in a callcenter where 90% of the employees are female, I get to brag about all the girls on my team.

    /me fails to see the issue ;-)

  • Edward Royce (unregistered)

    Hmmmm.

    And if you think working with men wearing full body spandex is odd wait until we get to the 5pm spankings.

  • foo (unregistered) in reply to Bicycle Pirate

    Don't know about spandex, but when I was doing a round-commute of 30 miles at an average of 20mph, I certainly found that I did need to wear appropriate clothing - lycra cycling shorts or leggings, depending on the season - for comfort, speed, and to prevent injuries (wrong clothes affect how the muscles warm up in cold weather). What I wore on the top was less critical, but it did affect my speed if I wore a t-shirt. I was cycling through british weather, so everything from 30C summer to -5 winter (yes, cycled through rain, hail, snow, ice).

    Appropriate clothing breathes well, is padded in the right places, doesn't flap in the wind, rub, or chafe, and the tops unzip to allow more air in once you've warmed up. It's also much nicer in rain.

    We (those who know what we're doing on a bike) are also ashamed of you, when you ride with no lights at night, wobbling all over the road, jumping traffic lights, and almost hit old ladies on the pavement. You are to cycling what Paula Bean is to coding.

    </rant>
  • RogerWilco (unregistered)

    As to hiring women or men, of the four places I've worked, I think three would hire a woman over a man if they are equally qualified, one has affirmative action policies stating this.

    As to cycling clothing. I've done 15km every day for 8 years in Dutch weather (similar to British). It's perfectly doable in jeans/t-shirt like clothing most of the days, if you change daily and don't bike to fast. More or higher speeds needs showering and a clothes change after arrival. Biking specific clothing I mostly use on holidays, when I ride up to 150km a day, then it really helps to prevent chaffing. In the rain you need good gear to stay dry and even then your clothing might get damp so it's better to then either take the car or public transport, or change at the destination.

  • J (unregistered) in reply to MrsPost

    Yeah, from the sounds of it, I'm guessing those in the interview were giddy and foaming at the mouth due not only to the fact they might have a female work in the office with them but that they were even talking to one.

  • Drew (unregistered) in reply to MrsPost
    MrsPost:
    Women in IT need to have a sense of humor and a LOT of self-confidence.

    Is it sad that apparently men can make it in IT without a sense of humor or self-confidence? I think so.

    Self-Confidences comes in two flavours and everyone should be able to own up to one or the other. Either you have achieved something or you're in the process of achieving something. Either one should give you self-confidence.

    Captcha: Vindico. When you need your revenge served cold, call Vindico.

  • NBY (unregistered)

    I can't believe you didn't like my faxed resume. Do you know how long it took me to create a minimalist font that looked that randomly drawn?

  • Ingrid (unregistered)


    The main gist of the comments is maintaining that the RULE is that a CV must be plain and functional and that even designers should know their place and leave the creativity in their portfolio.

    Well Thomas Rot. It's a different world and different rules apply. You send in a plain CV? You don't get an interview. Those CVs are fantastic devices for showing a Creative Director just exactly where you're at with your skills and how far you dare to fly creatively. It will also reveal how weak you are in particular situations.

    This one would have got dumped in the bin for the god-awful typography and saved us both a wasted interview. Actually this one would go in the bin too - clearly doesn't understand the basic difference between display text and body copy.

    I think might be somewhat disturbed by the use of weaponry in this one :(

    If I'd been hiring for someone skilled with graphs (which take forever and always break the budget. Seriously - wanna waste money? Include a graph and then have the client mess it about.) I'd have hired this chap on the spot. I don't even need to read this one to understand that a main skill is package design although in the interview I'd be checking for a little more originality to go with the immaculate execution.

    So no, these would not get chucked in the bin because they were too fancy, only through lack of merit. They'd be a delight to receive and make the job of hiring a designer much easier. Some of these CVs show too much info, some not nearly enough. Some of them crowd out the info with the design and some are too restrained. A CV for a designer is a tight brief, if they can strike a balance, they're a good way along to getting an interview.


  • Ingrid (unregistered) in reply to Ingrid

    Sorry for the html mess.

  • stu (unregistered) in reply to Ingrid

    Translation of the above:

    Ingrid:
    The main gist of the comments is maintaining that the RULE is that a CV must be plain and functional and that even designers should know their place and leave the creativity in their portfolio.

    Well Thomas Rot. It's a different world and different rules apply. You send in a plain CV? You don't get an interview. Those CVs are fantastic devices for showing a Creative Director just exactly where you're at with your skills and how far you dare to fly creatively. It will also reveal how weak you are in particular situations.

    This one would have got dumped in the bin for the god-awful typography and saved us both a wasted interview. Actually this one would go in the bin too - clearly doesn't understand the basic difference between display text and body copy.

    I think might be somewhat disturbed by the use of weaponry in this one :(

    If I'd been hiring for someone skilled with graphs (which take forever and always break the budget. Seriously - wanna waste money? Include a graph and then have the client mess it about.) I'd have hired this chap on the spot. I don't even need to read this one to understand that a main skill is package design although in the interview I'd be checking for a little more originality to go with the immaculate execution.

    So no, these would not get chucked in the bin because they were too fancy, only through lack of merit. They'd be a delight to receive and make the job of hiring a designer much easier. Some of these CVs show too much info, some not nearly enough. Some of them crowd out the info with the design and some are too restrained. A CV for a designer is a tight brief, if they can strike a balance, they're a good way along to getting an interview.

  • katastrofa (unregistered) in reply to Steve H
    Steve H:
    Being female, she was pretty much guaranteed a job offer as soon as she sent in her résumé

    That's pretty much the Real WTF right there, not least because it's true.

    Gender balance in the office is something I consider valuable.

  • Dave (unregistered)

    The Designer's Cover Letter is bogus. Story says that it was the cover letter for a résumé, but the fax says p.1/1.

  • (cs) in reply to katastrofa
    katastrofa:
    Steve H:
    Being female, she was pretty much guaranteed a job offer as soon as she sent in her résumé

    That's pretty much the Real WTF right there, not least because it's true.

    Gender balance in the office is something I consider valuable.

    For what reason?
  • Reader (unregistered) in reply to Kiss me I'm Polish

    For the 6 pm gangbang?

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