• adk (unregistered)

    God, don't you HATE seeing the people that are supposed to replace you?

  • lookaround (unregistered) in reply to snoofle
    I recently went on an interview to be an enterprise soa architect. The entire interview process consisted entirely of:
    1. Meeting with potential boss: things move slowly around here, and we don't work long hours, so that makes up for the modest pay - are you ok with a 35 hour week? Me: yes
    2. Meeting with potential bosses boss: have you ever done xxx before? Me: yes
    3. Phone call with lead tech guy: I don't need to ask any technical questions, but things move very slowly around here, are you ok with that? Me: um, yeah, I can read TDWTF all day long! got job offer (turned it down as I really don't want to die of boredom)

    If you didn't want the job, why did you keep saying you were OK with the slow pace?

  • Pete (unregistered)

    My certainty level about WTF pieces being made up goes up all the time.

  • Alan (unregistered) in reply to The real wtf fool
    The real wtf fool:
    Alan:
    I had the same thing - apparently it was between me and some other guy. At the second interview they asked the usual "Why are you leaving your current job?". I went with "Wanting to move on, find new challenges". the other guy went with a huge rant about how everyone at his work was an arsehole.

    So you avoided the question with the standard cliche and he told the truth. And they gave you the job? Get out of there as soon as you can...

    I have been here for two years now - best job I ever had - really nice company.

  • James (unregistered) in reply to m0ffx
    m0ffx:
    Leo:
    Because Elbereth knows
    Did you _have_ to included a Tolkein reference?

    Heh, I took it to be a NetHack reference.

  • (cs) in reply to yo
    yo:
    i call shenanigans on this article, no way that last half ever happened.

    Inclined to agree. Getting 1 or maybe 2 oddballs in a batch of 8 candidates is to be expected, getting 4 total nutjobs in a batch of 4 candidates is stretching it slightly past believable for me. And yes, I do interview for IT positions and have for about 6 years.

  • Edward Royce (unregistered) in reply to Erik
    Erik:
    I don't understand why the incompetent cocaine addict was applying for a low-level state government job when she's clearly qualified to become President of the United States.

    You shouldn't talk about Hillary Clinton like that.

  • Inertia (unregistered) in reply to snoofle
    1. Meeting with potential bosses boss: have you ever done xxx before?

    Me:No I have not done xxx before and that was not in the job description

  • D-Coder (unregistered) in reply to Andrew
    Andrew:
    other_me:
    "Me: um, yeah, I can read TDWTF all day long! "

    It takes me only about 15 minutes each day. Security Focus - about an hour. So what to do in the rest of the day?

    captcha: commoveo (wth?)

    Wikipedia. (You're welcome.)

    May I also recommend www.computerworld.com -> Shark Tank. Although the literacy level is not at all commensurate with that of the postings here.

    (Captcha: transverbero, how delightfully apropos!)

  • (cs) in reply to m0ffx
    m0ffx:
    Leo:
    Because Elbereth knows
    Did you _have_ to included a Tolkein reference?
    Did you _have_ to deliberately misspell "Tolkien" in a transparent trolling attempt?
  • Just Saying (unregistered) in reply to Jake Grey

    Seems pretty unlikely, since the Mr. T guy stated he wanted the job for the health benefits. I'm not terribly familiar with the British system, but my understanding is that everybody has access to the NHS, and further health benefits don't generally come with employment.

  • Just Saying (unregistered) in reply to Just Saying
    Just Saying:
    Seems pretty unlikely, since the Mr. T guy stated he wanted the job for the health benefits. I'm not terribly familiar with the British system, but my understanding is that everybody has access to the NHS, and further health benefits don't generally come with employment.

    I'm a dumbass who hit reply instead of quote. The above post is in reference to somebody asking if this was a British organization.

  • Matt (unregistered) in reply to Adam
    Adam:
    Jake Grey:
    This wouldn't happen to be a British civil service organisation, would it? That would actually explain quite a lot...

    I think the phrase "I just need health benefits" limits it to countries that don't have any kind of sensible healthcare provisions.

    Which is why he said Britain, as it doesn't have sensible healthcare. (I'll gladly use my own money if I don't have to wait a year for needed surgery.)

  • The real wtf fool (unregistered) in reply to Alan
    Alan:
    The real wtf fool:
    Alan:
    I had the same thing - apparently it was between me and some other guy. At the second interview they asked the usual "Why are you leaving your current job?". I went with "Wanting to move on, find new challenges". the other guy went with a huge rant about how everyone at his work was an arsehole.

    So you avoided the question with the standard cliche and he told the truth. And they gave you the job? Get out of there as soon as you can...

    I have been here for two years now - best job I ever had - really nice company.

    Yeah it's the answer you have to give to that question, otherwise it's unprofessional.
    It makes it seem a bit of a pointless question though. I suppose some people may answer with "well I used to shout all the time, never did any work and was completely useless. So they fired me"

  • Kuba (unregistered) in reply to zappy
    zappy:
    George Nacht:

    Well, you beat me to it. Unless the ,,tears" was attempt to anonymize it and make the story PG13, (the same apply to substituting ,,extinguished" with ,,composed"). If not, then I am left with mystery, which screams for unveiling. Was he as child molested by a man, masked as outlet? Was his mother executed on electric chair by judicial error? I just can´t put it out of my mind... Why, why did he cried...

    What if the outlet was wired wrong? TRWTF is someone put hot on the grounding screw...

    The anti-static straps have single-failure-tolerant series bleed resistors. Or should have them, at least. Attaching yourself even to a 240V live wire via a proper (means: not a knock-off) static grounding strap is not supposed to hurt you. Imagine what: someone did actually think of that </sarcasm>

  • Rat (unregistered) in reply to Soviut

    It only uses the earth pin, the other 2 pins are plastic. At least I hope so.

  • Kuba (unregistered) in reply to brazzy
    brazzy:
    Soviut:
    Up until now I didn't know disposable grounding bracelets existed. I *really* didn't know they had to be plugged into the wall!

    That's like having a life jacket you need to keep submerged in water at all times.

    Not at all. Wall plugs have a separate ground line, which is the most widely available and convenient way to ground equipment. water and heating pipes are not in every room and don't come with a convenient plug.

    Also, the point of such a bracelet is to protect electronic equipment you're working on from static electricity that might have accumulated in your body, not to protect you from anything. In fact, touching a live wire would MORE dangerous when wearing such a bracelet (unless you're touching it with the arm you're wearing the bracelet on).

    Touching a live wire while wearing such a bracelet is just as harmless as having it live. It's designed to be safe under such circumstances, dammit. Why do you talk about stuff you have no clue about?

    Disclaimer: if you try it and get killed, don't blame me. Blame not testing your bracelet properly.

  • (cs) in reply to other_me
    other_me:
    "Me: um, yeah, I can read TDWTF all day long! "

    It takes me only about 15 minutes each day. Security Focus - about an hour. So what to do in the rest of the day?

    captcha: commoveo (wth?)

    I have a very vivid imagination. I don't just skim the articles. I don't just read them. I immerse myself in them. I try to imagine the reality of what led up to, and what happened subsequently to the building/discovery/explosion of the featured wtf, and the people involved therein.

    If you're only spending 15 minutes doing it, you're missing out on "the experience"

  • Frost (unregistered) in reply to SuperousOxide
    SuperousOxide:
    IT:
    The eating-the-sandwich lady and the dirty clothes guy shouldn't surprise anyone who has worked in IT for more than five minutes...

    The sandwich-lady I could imagine, but you'd think they'd have enough sense not to pick a tuna-sandwich for an interview. If you need to keep your blood-sugar up, there must be a less stinky option when you're trying to make a good impression.

    And, in fact, there are: glucose tabs. Think of a Lik'm'aid stick, but round.

    Of course, those are a temporary measure--if you're experiencing a sugar crash, you should take one, and then use the time it buys you (maybe up to an hour or so) to get something more filling, with protein and/or complex carbs.

  • Jason (unregistered) in reply to James

    What's wrong with Tolkein?

  • cpp (unregistered) in reply to Jason
    Jason:
    What's wrong with Tolkein?

    The "Lord of the Rings" was good, the "Silmarillion" dragged a bit at times.

  • Kuba (unregistered) in reply to greywar
    greywar:
    So I went to this interview, only problem was that my tabletpc was zapping the heck out of me, and I needed it to show some of my code if they asked for some examples, theres this really cool thing with virtual walls in a 3D environment that I was particularly proud of...anyways I digress. I slipped on a disposable grounding strap to keep from getting the daylights zapped out of me.

    One problem-I put it on the wrong hand. I reached in to grab the PC with the other hand, and it proceeded to zap the daylights out of me. And it was BAD, it hurt so much I teared up. I literally sat there being electrocuted for about 5 minutes before something on the pc finally shorted. These insensitive jerks just watched me nearly get electrocuted. I left, no way I wanted to work there.

    You're just dumb. It wasn't static electricity that hurt you. Static dissipative straps can be worn essentially on any extremity. They become a trip hazard when you wear them on your legs (duh, dude), but apart from that they work just fine.

    As for your predicament -- your tablet PC itself was not a generator of static electricity. Most likely the backlight inverter was somehow shorting to the case somewhere, somehow. Or the mains power supply had bad leakage.

  • (cs) in reply to lookaround
    lookaround:
    {story re interview for slow paces job}

    If you didn't want the job, why did you keep saying you were OK with the slow pace?

    Because the total time for all three interviews was about 10 minutes, and they consisted of 1, 2 and 2 questions respectively; I didn't have much time to formulate an opinion. Afterward, the only thing I recalled was their incessant harping on the uber-slow pace, so I begged off.

  • Brandon (unregistered) in reply to Alan

    were you expecting "flames" ?

  • (cs) in reply to Just Saying
    Just Saying:
    I'm a dumbass who hit reply instead of quote.
    If you used a registered name you would have access to the Edit and Append buttons after submission.
  • (cs) in reply to sugarfree
    sugarfree:
    Oh, and when you're low on sugar, your brain doesn't get enough energy, and basically it's the same feeling as if you're really drunk, so talking with your mouth open is very tame (people have been known to take their clothes off or run around screaming...)
    ... while others have realized that they should do their best to eat properly and monitor their blood sugar levels so that they don't embarrass themselves and others.
  • Brandon (unregistered) in reply to Alan
    Alan:
    He sat down at the conference table, and produced a disposable grounding wrist strap from his briefcase. He attached it to a nearby wall outlet, then burst into tears

    I really wasnt expecting the last word to be "tears".

    Were you expecting "flames" ?

  • (cs) in reply to SQL Warrior
    SQL Warrior:
    If you have a central heating system you can also crocodile clip it to a radiator.

    That's odd... because I have a central heating system, my home does not require a radiator.>?

  • Dowhat John (unregistered)

    Somehow, based on my own experience, the other side of this interview process probably resulted in a few highly talented experts in the field scratching their heads at their rejection letters and wondering why they weren't selected for the interview.

    After all, so many hirers these days pre-filter out the most qualified applicants for all kinds of reasons: too old (over 30); too experienced (past IT experience not exclusively playing computer games); might show current processes up to be inadequate (almost any employer); knows more than the manager (almost any employer); older and more experienced than the manager, etc.

  • (cs) in reply to Brandon
    Brandon:
    Were you expecting "flames" ?
    Of course not. He was expecting "a thousand little bits of bloody meat".
  • Julian (unregistered) in reply to brazzy

    To be fair, though, any good grounding bracelet will have at least a 1M resistor in-line to minimise the risk of shock.

    In the UK you must not rely on water and heating pipes being grounded as they are often made of plastic, or in older buildings the soil ground stake can be in dried-out ground.

  • (cs) in reply to sugarfree
    sugarfree:
    just to point out - the first lady was probably a diabetic, and so REALLY did need the sugar.

    That's a sizable assumption. If she were diabetic, I imagine she would say "I'm diabetic." I've met plenty of people who use "I have low blood sugar" as code for "I experience the same diurnal rhythms as everyone else, but I feel the need to blame something."

    These people are usually pains in my ass, and they make me feel bad for my two diabetic co-workers who have to listen to their bellyaching.

  • Ben (unregistered)

    This isn't a WTF. If it's true, it's pitiful and heartbreaking

  • (cs)

    Cool, could anybody name this movie? I really wanna watch it!

  • SomeCoder (unregistered) in reply to John Bigboote
    John Bigboote:

    That's a sizable assumption. If she were diabetic, I imagine she would say "I'm diabetic." I've met plenty of people who use "I have low blood sugar" as code for "I experience the same diurnal rhythms as everyone else, but I feel the need to blame something."

    These people are usually pains in my ass, and they make me feel bad for my two diabetic co-workers who have to listen to their bellyaching.

    That's true... I hear that all the time: "I have low blood sugar" when really, they are just hungry and want everyone to feel sympathy for them.

    Real diabetics must hate that.

  • (cs)

    Would our local tax dollars would be better spent in cases like this if they were spent on fewer, more skilled workers? Raises for everyone in government!

    But then, those people wouldn't be out in business, working on growing the tax base, so perhaps it's better the way the article describes it.

  • (cs) in reply to Mister Bee
    Mister Bee:
    appellatio:
    brazzy:
    unless you're touching it with the arm you're wearing the bracelet on
    That is why the one hand rule is for the ONE you have the strap on, unless you have an ankle strap which then use should use the hand on that side of your body.

    Heh, he said "strap on".

    catchpa: usitas

    Hehehe... in spanglish that means, "You use it." hehehe... "strap on." </beavis>

  • Kuba (unregistered) in reply to Julian
    Julian:
    To be fair, though, any good grounding bracelet will have at least a 1M resistor in-line to minimise the risk of shock.

    Worse yet, they actually put two of them in series, usually. You know, if one shorted out. They are so wasteful these days </sarcasm>

  • (cs) in reply to Kuba
    Kuba:
    greywar:
    So I went to this interview, only problem was that my tabletpc was zapping the heck out of me, and I needed it to show some of my code if they asked for some examples, theres this really cool thing with virtual walls in a 3D environment that I was particularly proud of...anyways I digress. I slipped on a disposable grounding strap to keep from getting the daylights zapped out of me.

    One problem-I put it on the wrong hand. I reached in to grab the PC with the other hand, and it proceeded to zap the daylights out of me. And it was BAD, it hurt so much I teared up. I literally sat there being electrocuted for about 5 minutes before something on the pc finally shorted. These insensitive jerks just watched me nearly get electrocuted. I left, no way I wanted to work there.

    You're just dumb. It wasn't static electricity that hurt you. Static dissipative straps can be worn essentially on any extremity. They become a trip hazard when you wear them on your legs (duh, dude), but apart from that they work just fine.

    As for your predicament -- your tablet PC itself was not a generator of static electricity. Most likely the backlight inverter was somehow shorting to the case somewhere, somehow. Or the mains power supply had bad leakage.

    Is it just me, or did the story sound vaguely familiar? Almost as if I had just read it before coming in to the forums. I wonder where, oh where, could I have JUST read a similar story, but from a slightly different perspective?

  • Joe (unregistered) in reply to SuperousOxide
    SuperousOxide:
    IT:
    The eating-the-sandwich lady and the dirty clothes guy shouldn't surprise anyone who has worked in IT for more than five minutes...

    The sandwich-lady I could imagine, but you'd think they'd have enough sense not to pick a tuna-sandwich for an interview. If you need to keep your blood-sugar up, there must be a less stinky option when you're trying to make a good impression.

    Tuna? Consider yourself lucky.

    I WISH this one woman ate tuna at our meeting instead of her roast beef sandwich. That thing stunk up a large conference room to high hell.

  • Jeff Bell (unregistered)

    The diabetes issue is part of the lawsuit against Google by their former director of operation, Brian Reid.

    He has type II diabetes, and needs to eat at regular intervals. This was a problem when there were long meetings.

    He was fired 9 days before the IPO, losing out on options worth 10M.

  • (cs) in reply to adk
    adk:
    God, don't you HATE seeing the people that are supposed to replace you?

    Yes. Especially if they criticize your work... loudly... and talk to other people, including the VP of Operations, about "how retarded is this?" which is your work ... Loudly... Then when they ask you what a "GROUP BY" in SQL does, and it takes an hour and a half and many, many examples before they understand it.

    Sigh I wish I was making that up.

  • baronzemm (unregistered)

    I had an extremely overconfident friend ask me if they should wear shoes or sandals to their interview. I said that they should wear "interview" clothes and dress shoes.

    Its one thing to look "nice" wearing business casual / trendy clothes. Its another thing to show up to your first interview with dress pants, a t-shirt, socks and sandals.

    So I dont doubt anything from the article.

  • Kuba (unregistered) in reply to Julian
    Julian:
    To be fair, though, any good grounding bracelet will have at least a 1M resistor in-line to minimise the risk of shock.

    So, for people who can't do the math, that's 500uA (0.5mA) flowing between live, the resistor, through your body, and the ground, under single-fault conditions (one of the pair of 500kOhm resistors shorted-out), anywhere in the world as long as we limit ourselves to "consumer" low-voltage outlets (<250V rms to neutral).

    Or, in other words, it's not gonna kill you, may be merely slightly unpleasant if you're wet/standing on we surface.

    In the UK you must not rely on water and heating pipes being grounded as they are often made of plastic.

    You're not supposed to rely on them anywhere in the world, to the best of my knowledge. Using a water pipe as a grounding source is illegal in most "consumer" cases, in the U.S. at least.

  • atomicthumbs (unregistered) in reply to Alan

    Indeed, it would've been funnier with "flames".

  • Alan (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    Brandon:
    Were you expecting "flames" ?
    Of course not. He was expecting "a thousand little bits of bloody meat".

    Both excellent submissions... "Song" would also have been acceptable.

  • anotherProgrammer (unregistered) in reply to SQL Warrior

    Same here, I always think you should dress well (biz casual in SF Bay Area), smile a reasonable amount, act interested in the company and its products, respond to questions.

    It's kept me working despite a less than stellar work history and skill set.

  • anotherProgrammer (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    SQL Warrior:
    The issue is not with her eating during the interview
    I'd say it is. She obviously knew there was a likelihood that her blood sugar would get low; that's how she came to have a sandwich at an interview. She could have eaten it just before she came in rather than during.

    Consider it part of preparation for an interview along with showering, dressing presentably, with your research on the company and your set of questions for them in your notebook, and having gone to the restroom just prior.

    Some diabetics don't have that kind of pinpoint control on their blood sugar levels.

  • (cs) in reply to SQL Warrior

    I'm not sure what type of diabetes you are talking about, but I know that for a type 1 diabetic glucose is the normal response to hypoglycemia - glucose tablets when you are still conscious or if you pass out, a glucose injection. My wife is diabetic and I've seen her take glucose hundreds of times.

    Typically you have to eat something more substantial to keep your blood sugar up over time, which might have been what the interviewee was trying to do.

  • (cs) in reply to anotherProgrammer
    anotherProgrammer:
    FredSaw:
    SQL Warrior:
    The issue is not with her eating during the interview
    I'd say it is. She obviously knew there was a likelihood that her blood sugar would get low; that's how she came to have a sandwich at an interview. She could have eaten it just before she came in rather than during.

    Consider it part of preparation for an interview along with showering, dressing presentably, with your research on the company and your set of questions for them in your notebook, and having gone to the restroom just prior.

    Some diabetics don't have that kind of pinpoint control on their blood sugar levels.

    I'm a diabetic, and maintaining a metabolic process that your body normally handles by itself with an incredibly complicated process is difficult. Human metabolic processes fluctuate drastically and controlling your bloodsugar is not an exact science. Even with the utmost care and preparation taken every hour of every day, your body can and will surprise you when you least expect it. Her bloodsugar could have been absolutely perfect beforehand, and then it could easily have dropped to severely hypoglycemic levels in 20 minutes due to the exercise of entering the building, the stress of waiting, the change of temperature of the environment, and the sudden onset of her monthly period.

    That applicant could have been better prepared. She certainly could have conducted an interview without talking with food in her mouth, but I think some people are overestimating the level of control a diabetic can potentially have over their bloodsugar with current technology.

    By the way, severe hypoglycemia does not feel like being drunk. It's more like having your throat cut, all the blood drained out of you, and then being plunged into a sub-freezing torrential river and drowning.

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