• (cs) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Anonymous:
    If you can't speak it you can't write it and funnily enough we generally like our code to be written in English.

    I don't think that's true at all. I think it's perfectly possible to be able to read English without ever learning how to pronounce any of the words. Of course, nobody does this because it would be retarded. But I bet there are a lot of people with better reading and writing skills than speaking skills.

    That's my case with Japanese. I can read / write it fairly ok, but speaking or understanding it spoken is still the most difficult for me (not much practice living in Florida).

    Best combination for me actually turns out subtitled japanese such as in games on my PS2. Gives me the best of both worlds as my reading / listening skills can somewhat compensate for each other at times.

  • Flywheel, Shyster and Flywheel, attorneys at law. (unregistered) in reply to Drop The Vaseline
    Drop The Vaseline:
    I was going to say something, but decided to make a mute point.
    Dear Sir,

    Our client, Mr. John Cage, has noticed the remarkable similarity between your so-called "mute point", quoted above in full, and his copyrighted composition "3'44"". Accordingly, he has instructed us to write to you, directing you to immediately cease and desist in this violation of his public performance rights in the above-mentioned piece.

    Lest you be tempted to treat this matter with anything less than the full seriousness it demands, we feel obliged to remind you: John Cage will really fuck you up. This is the guy who sued the fucking Wombles, dude; he's a ruthless unstoppable killing machine. We strongly advise you settle now in order to avoid unfortunate consequences, such as John Cage stalking you to your home and then breaking in in the middle of the night and ripping your head off before puking down your neck. Don't mess with John Cage.

    yrs etc., Waldorf T. Flywheel, attorney-at-law.

  • Chendar (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Anonymous:
    If you can't speak it you can't write it and funnily enough we generally like our code to be written in English.

    I don't think that's true at all. I think it's perfectly possible to be able to read English without ever learning how to pronounce any of the words. Of course, nobody does this because it would be retarded. But I bet there are a lot of people with better reading and writing skills than speaking skills.

    My grandfather could read and understand urdu, but didn't understand spoken/audio urdu, so it is possible. Although with modern technology I can't see this happening.

  • and finally (unregistered) in reply to Voodoo Coder
    Voodoo Coder:
    again!:
    cdosrun:
    pjt33:
    Cecil:
    I no it peaked you're interest, butt four all intensive porpoises isn't it just a mute point?
    FTFY.

    Yeah, I know it's irrevelant, but that begs the question, aren't most comments?

    more FTFY!

    FTFY...

    FTFY!!

  • Swedish tard (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Anonymous:
    If you can't speak it you can't write it and funnily enough we generally like our code to be written in English.

    I don't think that's true at all. I think it's perfectly possible to be able to read English without ever learning how to pronounce any of the words. Of course, nobody does this because it would be retarded. But I bet there are a lot of people with better reading and writing skills than speaking skills.

    I am somewhat odd, since I took german classes throughout my first years in school. I learned to understand it well enough to always earn top grades in undertanding written/spoken german. I am, and always were, completely uncapable of making myself understood in german in both written and spoken language. It looks like german, but is complete and utter jibberish to any native speaker. So I always failed those parts of tests. Completely. And got avarage grades as a result. My teacher actually approached me once and said "How the hell did you manage to learn to understand so completely, yet completely fail to make yourself understood." And I have no bloody idea myself. Of course, I can be somewhat hard to understand in my native language as well, mainly because I think faster than I speak/write and also tend to think of several things at the same time. And with hardware that only supports one output at a time, this can sometimes get a bit confusing to people trying to understand me. ;)

  • (cs)

    I wish I could travel back and forth between Moscow regularly!

    Is that between the West part of Moscow and the east part?

  • (cs) in reply to DWalker59
    DWalker59:
    I wish I could travel back and forth between Moscow regularly!

    Is that between the West part of Moscow and the east part?

    That would be between the centre and the suburbs, obviously. (I do, every day.)

    Sigh. And I feel like I might have known the Dmitry of the article, only the name was different, and he didn't do trading systems at the time. But he definitely used cvs and prefered to work alone, as he believed himself to be the best programmer around.

  • (cs)

    Today I learned that you can copyright silence.

  • Not done yet (unregistered) in reply to and finally
    and finally:
    Voodoo Coder:
    again!:
    cdosrun:
    pjt33:
    Cecil:
    Eye no it peaked you're interest, butt four awl intensive porpoises isn't it jest a mute point?
    FTFY.

    Yeah, I know it's irrevelant, but that begs the question, aren't most comments?

    more FTFY!

    FTFY...

    FTFY!!

    FTFY

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to ounos
    ounos:
    cdosrun:
    pjt33:
    Cecil:
    I no it peaked you're interest, but for all intensive purposes isn't it just a mute point?
    FTFY.

    Yeah, I know it's irrevelant, but that begs the question, aren't most comments?

    You are a welcomed addition to the club of "I don't know what begging the question even means but I see no problem using it as I see fit". (I would add a helpful link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question but some software drone in between thinks it is spam).

    Did you read the Wikipedia entry?

    Wikipedia:
    ==Modern usage==

    More recently, "to beg the question" has been used as a synonym for to raise the question. For example, "This year's budget deficit is ten trillion dollars. This begs the question: how are we ever going to balance the budget?"

    Using the term in this way, although common, is considered incorrect by prescriptive grammarians.

    I think you must be one of those prescriptive grammarians I've heard so much about, Grammar Nazi (Godwin's Law invoked).

  • Cbuttius (unregistered) in reply to Vlad Patryshev
    Vlad Patryshev:
    So, after encountering one scoundrels and 6 idiots, the company decided that Russians are no gooNo d.

    Good reminder for me, who on the daily basis has been trying to refactor the code from our Chinese colleagues - yes, thousands-line methods, copy-paste, no refactoring, just commenting out; global variables everywhere... so what?

    No, I am not defending all the crooks and idiots in Moscow; there's plenty. But if you look around, how many companies have tons of great programmers over there, in Russia; if you look at, hmm, the best Java/Scala IDE, if you check out where exactly the best anti-virus software is being produced... oh, whatever. Sorry for interrupting.

    Are you referring to kaspersky? I use that, it is the best anti-virus program I know.

    Also STL (part of standard C++ library) was created by a Russian (Alex Stepanov), albeit one based in the USA.

  • Peter (unregistered) in reply to Swedish tard
    Swedish tard:
    I am somewhat odd
    You're not alone. On The Daily WTF, people who aren't somewhat odd are in a distinct minority. Or do I mean "distinctly in the minority"?
  • the cody (unregistered) in reply to Flywheel, Shyster and Flywheel, attorneys at law.
    Flywheel:
    Drop The Vaseline:
    I was going to say something, but decided to make a mute point.
    Dear Sir,

    Our client, Mr. John Cage, has noticed the remarkable similarity between your so-called "mute point", quoted above in full, and his copyrighted composition "4'33"". Accordingly, he has instructed us to write to you, directing you to immediately cease and desist in this violation of his public performance rights in the above-mentioned piece.

    Lest you be tempted to treat this matter with anything less than the full seriousness it demands, we feel obliged to remind you: John Cage will really fuck you up. This is the guy who sued the fucking Wombles, dude; he's a ruthless unstoppable killing machine. We strongly advise you settle now in order to avoid unfortunate consequences, such as John Cage stalking you to your home and then breaking in in the middle of the night and ripping your head off before puking down your neck. Don't mess with John Cage.

    yrs etc., Waldorf T. Flywheel, attorney-at-law.

    FTFY...

    Captcha: Eros, the Greek god of the Prons

  • the cody (unregistered) in reply to Not done yet
    Not done yet:
    and finally:
    Voodoo Coder:
    again!:
    cdosrun:
    pjt33:
    Cecil:
    Aye no it peeked urine tress, butt four awl intents of porpoises is knotted jest a mutable poignant?
    FTFY.

    Yeah, I know it's irrevelant, but that begs the question, aren't most comments?

    more FTFY!

    FTFY...

    FTFY!!

    FTFY

    ...ftfy...

  • causa (unregistered) in reply to the cody
    the cody:
    Not done yet:
    and finally:
    Voodoo Coder:
    again!:
    cdosrun:
    pjt33:
    Cecil:
    Aye no it peeked urine tress, butt four awl intents of porpoises is knotted jest a mutable poignant?
    FTFY.

    Yeah, I know it's irrevelant, but that begs the question, aren't most comments?

    more FTFY!

    FTFY...

    FTFY!!

    FTFY

    ...ftfy...

    My nipples explode with delight!

  • Vitaly (unregistered)

    Hello All, I am a software engineer from Russia and I would like to say that this article is an absolute bullshit and that author is not proficient in subject.

    1. Author is not familiar with outsourcing business. All serious Russian (or Indian, or ..) outsourcing companies (like Luxoft, e.g.) have offices in the U.S. - no need to travel to Russia, or to Bangalore. If someone hires very cheap "real programmers" in a slum, he wants to fool himself. The same story is for anywhere in the world.

    2. Author is not familiar with modern IDEs. Which text editor with magic feature "insert \r before \n" Dmitri does use? I have tested text editors from Eclipse, Visual Studio, Netbeans - none of them modify end of line. Does he use Notepad?

    3. Author is not familiar with relational databases. To store transactions in memory when you have Oracle - I cannot belive. Does Dmitri use Oracle only to get current date (SELECT SYSDATE FROM DUAL)?

    4. Author is not familiar with object oriented programming concepts. Inheritance is not a good style (in most of cases). Delegation pattern is much better to achieve high cohesion and loose coupling.

  • someone (unregistered)

    The part you need to pay attention to is the words "Wall Street". When a thieving stupid a-hole is going to hire a partner, who is he going to hire? Right, another thieving stupid a-hole. No surprise there.

  • rezkiy (unregistered)

    another antagonistinc comment from another antagonistinc Russian...

    1. A Moscow bar is a questionable place to hire a dev team for an online trading system.
    2. Advising Dmitry to stay in Moscow looks contrary to the custom approach to criminal activity I see among people in US.
    3. Having seen my own code, the code of my whereever-born (States, ex-USSR, different parts of India, Germany, TUrkey, Japan at least), American-based colleagues, my former Beijing-based colleagues, my former collagues who are in Moscow, and my former Hyderabad-based colleagues, I have ot tell that there is little to no corellation of bad code and the author's country of birth. I reiterate, little to know. There is a lot of corellation of code quality and author's interest in programmning, author's experience with current and other environment, author's personality -- but not country of birth.
  • Andrew (unregistered)

    Dear Vitaly.

    Please draw a Polandball. It will make your russian soul happier.

  • NYC Programmer (unregistered)

    Woah. This story sounds CREEPILY similar to the company I was working at last summer.

    Details and names are pretty off, but it's stillpretty eerie.

  • AdT (unregistered) in reply to anonimo
    anonimo:
    anyone who hears of CVS and doesn't run for it's life is an WTF on itself.

    Our grammar has become so poor, its a shame.

    irony

    1. like goldy or silvery, only it's made of iron (Source: Baldrick's Abridged Dictionary)
  • tjones (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    BBT:
    The "intensive purposes" mixup is not so bad. Yeah, "intents and purposes" is correct, but essentially it's saying "purposes and purposes". At least "intensive purposes" makes sense and isn't redundant.
    OK, I'll remember that - it's OK to be wrong as long as BBT gives it his seal of approval. I was wondering, is it OK for me to put an extra a in "you God-damn reatard"? Thanks!

    It's "reteard"! Remember, e before a except before "tard"!

  • Waffle (unregistered) in reply to Swedish tard
    Swedish tard:
    I am somewhat odd, since I took german classes throughout my first years in school. I learned to understand it well enough to always earn top grades in undertanding written/spoken german. I am, and always were, completely uncapable of making myself understood in german in both written and spoken language. It looks like german, but is complete and utter jibberish to any native speaker. So I always failed those parts of tests. Completely. And got avarage grades as a result. My teacher actually approached me once and said "How the hell did you manage to learn to understand so completely, yet completely fail to make yourself understood." And I have no bloody idea myself. Of course, I can be somewhat hard to understand in my native language as well, mainly because I think faster than I speak/write and also tend to think of several things at the same time. And with hardware that only supports one output at a time, this can sometimes get a bit confusing to people trying to understand me. ;)

    You wrote that way too quick for me to understand you.

    FTFM!

    catpcha: tristique - I magician who makes their audience sad.

  • Russian (unregistered)

    Damn it!!! It's not a russian accent :))))) More like bloody indian accent.

  • Dan (unregistered)

    2009 Dec, 12

    First!! via special backdating comment feature

  • hoodaticus (unregistered) in reply to John Carter
    John Carter:
    On the other hand, this is a perfectly accepted practice, when you are working with embedded systems and have no actual files.

    WIN!

  • MSCW (unregistered) in reply to Ger
    Ger:
    Actually, russians are not the guys you go for high-level, easy to read, commercial software, nor you go to them for UI.

    Actually, you are.

  • David V. Corbin (unregistered)

    "It took almost another full year and a rather-expensive team of New York contract programmers".

    I can state with certainty that even at this stage they still did not engage the correct group....

    They should have contacted:

         Dynamic Concepts Development Corp.
     New York, NY 10019

    I can virtuallly guarantee they would have gotten better results!

    btw: I hapen to be PResident and Chief architect of Dynamic Concepts Development Corp. <grin>

  • Anonymous (unregistered)

    Soviet programmers = Bad American programmers = Good

    Yeah right...

  • The real Dmitri (unregistered)

    In Soviet Russia employee exploits you!

  • Dmitry (unregistered)

    How racist you are. Change "Russian" to "African American", for example, and you'll see why :(

  • AP (unregistered)

    "The Russian-built forex system, Dmitry explained, was light years ahead of other Russian systems..."

    Was the forex system also an F1 spaceship?

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