• (cs)
    In the following version, the laws of physics employed in their custom universe would further increase speed to process requests before they’re even submitted.
    I believe you mean "increase speed to cause the application to crash before you even wanted to use it".
  • dustin (unregistered) in reply to Tukaro

    This isn't a wtf.

    They were building an application that would work wonders in a universe that they were planning to create. In this universe building applications that follow standards is a bad thing. This universe of course would be called WTF-U

    Captcha: atari. In WTF-U atari is king of video games.

  • (cs)

    This company "N.L." worked for isn't by any chance based in germany, is it?

  • (cs)

    Maybe in their universe, time goes backwards. That way, the slower you go, the quicker you get the results.

  • Michael Thompson (unregistered)
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    And I am apalled.

    and who cares?

    I believe he/she was talking about the WTF posted above, not your comment. You know, article-related comments in the comments section of the article.

    Captcha: smile. Excellent. :)

  • SmashAndGrab (unregistered)

    And my day was going so well. I guess there has to be D^#%Head in every crowd. So,

    Who cares : Your Mom, Your Sister ....

    I know, childish. But I feel better.

  • Yo (unregistered) in reply to Michael Thompson
    Michael Thompson:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    And I am apalled.

    and who cares?

    I believe he/she was talking about the WTF posted above, not your comment. You know, article-related comments in the comments section of the article.

    Captcha: smile. Excellent. :)

    Ah Ok, and by the way it's appalled with double 'p'

  • (cs)
    Just another .NET app, built on standard practices and reliable technologies.

    Ha! Hoo! Hee!

    Ah. Phew! Man. That's the best WTF I've seen in ever.

    (Sorry. I kid because I love, except when it's because I hate.)

  • (cs)

    was this GTech? A coworker at my last place worked there and worked on their re-designs of such protocols as TCP/IP and Ethernet.

  • SmashAndGrab (unregistered) in reply to Yo
    Yo:
    Michael Thompson:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    And I am apalled.

    and who cares?

    I believe he/she was talking about the WTF posted above, not your comment. You know, article-related comments in the comments section of the article.

    Captcha: smile. Excellent. :)

    Ah Ok, and by the way it's appalled with double 'p'

    I apologize. Adult ADD. It is such a waste of a

    What was I talking about?

  • Damo (unregistered)
    Contractors were hired to build database-specific extensions and extended stored procedures in C++. Extended stored procedures allowed their team to have the convenience of linking DLLs with the database calls along with the simplicity and elegance of C++. What better way to intertwine the middle tier with the backend?

    Next they'll be putting the CLR into SQL Server!

  • Mike (unregistered)

    Okay... does anyone besides me see the WTF that is their moving to .NET and SQL Server? They're moving from proprietary to, I guess, bigger proprietary. And since it's not theirs anymore, their business is now at the mercy of Microsoft, which has no vested interest in their survival.

    I'm not dissing choosing a MS solution; it just seems silly to use a solution that is extensively single-sourced.

  • Yo (unregistered) in reply to SmashAndGrab
    SmashAndGrab:
    Yo:
    Michael Thompson:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    And I am apalled.

    and who cares?

    I believe he/she was talking about the WTF posted above, not your comment. You know, article-related comments in the comments section of the article.

    Captcha: smile. Excellent. :)

    Ah Ok, and by the way it's appalled with double 'p'

    I apologize. Adult ADD. It is such a waste of a

    What was I talking about?

    Apologize accepted.

  • (cs) in reply to Mike
    Mike:
    Okay... does anyone besides me see the WTF that is their moving to .NET and SQL Server? They're moving from proprietary to, I guess, bigger proprietary. And since it's not theirs anymore, their business is now at the mercy of Microsoft, which has no vested interest in their survival.

    I'm not dissing choosing a MS solution; it just seems silly to use a solution that is extensively single-sourced.

    So, perhaps using Oracle would be better? Or DB2? Hell, even MySQL has managed to get an enterprisey classification...

  • (cs) in reply to Damo
    Damo:
    Next they'll be putting the CLR into SQL Server!
    And after that they'll put real users into SQL Server, and they'll participate in command execution!
  • SomeCoder (unregistered) in reply to Mike
    Mike:
    Okay... does anyone besides me see the WTF that is their moving to .NET and SQL Server? They're moving from proprietary to, I guess, bigger proprietary. And since it's not theirs anymore, their business is now at the mercy of Microsoft, which has no vested interest in their survival.

    I'm not dissing choosing a MS solution; it just seems silly to use a solution that is extensively single-sourced.

    I would imagine a lot of people would disagree with you but I kind of agree.

    At least going to .NET/SQL Server ensures that their app will be built upon something that is more industry standard than a proprietary language. I'm not a big fan of having to use/learn languages that are ONLY useful while I work for the company. I'd much prefer using .NET because that's marketable elsewhere...

    However, the basis of your argument seems correct to me. Of course I work in a .NET shop and having worked here for a while, it's turned me against Microsoft... a LOT.

  • Marcelo (unregistered) in reply to Nezzar

    Or maybe in Campinas, Brazil?

  • THC (unregistered)

    Dear Lord, why? "We build a system, and all our proprietory features sucked. Therefore, we need a new system with different proprietory features." The Saga continues.

  • (cs) in reply to Yo
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    Yo:
    Michael Thompson:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    And I am apalled.

    and who cares?

    I believe he/she was talking about the WTF posted above, not your comment. You know, article-related comments in the comments section of the article.

    Captcha: smile. Excellent. :)

    Ah Ok, and by the way it's appalled with double 'p'

    I apologize. Adult ADD. It is such a waste of a

    What was I talking about?

    Apologize accepted.

    And by the way, it is "apology accepted" :).

  • (cs) in reply to Nezzar
    Nezzar:
    This company "N.L." worked for isn't by any chance based in germany, is it?

    Yes, it does seem like this company likes to make its own systems, applications, and products...

  • Christophe (unregistered) in reply to Tukaro
    The good news is that the application ran over twice as fast in the next version just by tweaking some sliders

    Do those sliders go all the way up to 11?

  • foo (unregistered)
    Contractors were hired to build database-specific extensions and extended stored procedures in C++. Extended stored procedures allowed their team to have the convenience of linking DLLs with the database calls along with the simplicity and elegance of C++. What better way to intertwine the middle tier with the backend?

    Do you know what we used to have to use? Assembly and C that's what. So C++ is a giant leap forward you .NET script kiddie. Kids these days... yeesh.

  • (cs) in reply to foo
    foo:
    Contractors were hired to build database-specific extensions and extended stored procedures in C++. Extended stored procedures allowed their team to have the convenience of linking DLLs with the database calls along with the simplicity and elegance of C++. What better way to intertwine the middle tier with the backend?

    Do you know what we used to have to use? Assembly and C that's what. So C++ is a giant leap forward you .NET script kiddie. Kids these days... yeesh.

    ".NET script kiddie" Ooo man that's vicious. I like it.

  • Captcha (unregistered) in reply to Mike
    Mike:
    Okay... does anyone besides me see the WTF that is their moving to .NET and SQL Server? They're moving from proprietary to, I guess, bigger proprietary. And since it's not theirs anymore, their business is now at the mercy of Microsoft, which has no vested interest in their survival.

    I'm not dissing choosing a MS solution; it just seems silly to use a solution that is extensively single-sourced.

    I didn't think anyone could beat this WTF, then I read this comment....

  • roto (unregistered) in reply to Mike

    .NET is actually an open standard. That is why things like Mono can exist and you are not at the mercy of Microsoft.

  • (cs) in reply to Captcha
    Captcha:
    I didn't think anyone could beat this WTF, then I read this comment....

    I've been stuck in situations where Microsoft's documentation is wrong, their support won't cooperate, and I need an answer to stave off the customer on the phone who's trying to sue. Microsoft has no competition and they know it and act accordingly

  • roto (unregistered) in reply to mkb
    mkb:
    Captcha:
    I didn't think anyone could beat this WTF, then I read this comment....

    I've been stuck in situations where Microsoft's documentation is wrong, their support won't cooperate, and I need an answer to stave off the customer on the phone who's trying to sue. Microsoft has no competition and they know it and act accordingly

    So Linux with Java is not competition for .NET on Windows? When was the last time you actually got help from a support tech? I seriously don't know because I have never called one. If you can't figure something out (whether the docs are current/correct or not) it doesn't mean .NET is a poor choice for a framework. I think Microsoft is very concerned about competition from open source, and that is why they work to improve .NET all the time. Look at the improvements from .NET 1.1 to 2.0 and look at the work they are doing with Cw (C omega). Java also has great improvements over the last several versions. It looks like competition to me.

  • Oliver Townshend (unregistered)

    There's a competing vertical accounting product I come across everyone now and then which uses its own database (well the old one does, the new one has Oracle). When we convert the client to a new system, not only does the client have to provide us with an explanation of the data, reports, balancing etc. they have to pay the vendor $AU20000 to extract the data (because its a proprietary product natch).

  • JimiH (unregistered) in reply to mkb
    mkb:
    Captcha:
    I didn't think anyone could beat this WTF, then I read this comment....

    I've been stuck in situations where Microsoft's documentation is wrong, their support won't cooperate, and I need an answer to stave off the customer on the phone who's trying to sue. Microsoft has no competition and they know it and act accordingly

    Yeah, because no other software company has ever had a bug in their documentation. Microsoft is such bastards!

    In my 15-something years as a professional software developer using Microsoft tools, I've had to call Microsoft support exactly once, and they bent-over backwards to help me. Other "support" type problems I've always been able to figure it out on my own, Google the answer, or I've gotten answers from the numerous public forums out on the tubes.

    Need an immediate answer from Microsoft or a customer is going to sue? Sounds like the WTFs started long before Microsoft support got involved.

    Captcha: Kiss the sky

  • craaazy (unregistered) in reply to roto
    roto:
    .NET is actually an open standard. That is why things like Mono can exist and you are not at the mercy of Microsoft.

    Only if you're a Novell customer or if you don't use ADO.NET, ASP.NET, or Windows.Forms

  • Joel (unregistered) in reply to Tukaro
    The application had its own scripting language; you know, kind of like VB
    Hmmm, sounds like Joel on Software's FogBugz: Wasabi

    captcha: Xevious

  • Ben (unregistered)

    The first company I worked for had created a server-side scripting language for in-house use that was similar to ColdFusion/PHP/ASP/whatever, and had done it about a year and a half before ColdFusion came out. So that was pretty visionary, and props to them. However, they then proceeded to coast on that success by using the language for every new project they undertook, even as ColdFusion and PHP surpassed them in maturity and features and efficiency and... well, pretty much every way. Since this language was the company's crowning achievement, though, it was absolutely forbidden to think that it wasn't STILL the best thing since sliced bread, or that there was any reason to switch to anything else. Ironically, it was that success that ultimately drove them into the ground, a full year before the rest of the dot-com bubble broke.

  • James Schend (unregistered) in reply to dustin
    dustin:
    This isn't a wtf.

    They were building an application that would work wonders in a universe that they were planning to create. In this universe building applications that follow standards is a bad thing. This universe of course would be called WTF-U

    Captcha: atari. In WTF-U atari is king of video games.

    Hey, Atari makes some pretty damned good games. What's with the Atari diss out of nowhere?

  • Yo (unregistered) in reply to UnFleshed One
    UnFleshed One:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    Yo:
    Michael Thompson:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    And I am apalled.

    and who cares?

    I believe he/she was talking about the WTF posted above, not your comment. You know, article-related comments in the comments section of the article.

    Captcha: smile. Excellent. :)

    Ah Ok, and by the way it's appalled with double 'p'

    I apologize. Adult ADD. It is such a waste of a

    What was I talking about?

    Apologize accepted.

    And by the way, it is "apology accepted" :).

    Oh Sorry I apology

  • roto (unregistered) in reply to craaazy
    craaazy:
    roto:
    .NET is actually an open standard. That is why things like Mono can exist and you are not at the mercy of Microsoft.

    Only if you're a Novell customer or if you don't use ADO.NET, ASP.NET, or Windows.Forms

    I don't know what being a Novell customer has to do with it, it is open source. From http://mono-project.com: "Runs ASP.NET and Winforms applications."

  • (cs) in reply to mkb
    mkb:
    Captcha:
    I didn't think anyone could beat this WTF, then I read this comment....

    I've been stuck in situations where Microsoft's documentation is wrong, their support won't cooperate, and I need an answer to stave off the customer on the phone who's trying to sue. Microsoft has no competition and they know it and act accordingly

    You mean when someone calls to say rational things like:

    "Why is my site down? I get over a bazillion dollars in business a day and I expect 100% uptime from you, you lowest-priced host I could find. I'm going to sue you for that lost revenue and all the emotional distress. I've lost three houses during this conversation! Now my wife's left me! What's wrong with you?"

  • Hit (unregistered)

    Amazingly, no one's mentioned that there is yet another iteration of

    DoEverythingConceivable(Object what, Object whatToDo)

  • SmashAndGrab (unregistered)

    Honestly, I dont really care what environment I work in or what language I use. If the customer says they want it written in AWK, then I write in AWK. If they want me to update from an old version of VFP to a new version of VFP, then I do that. Anything. It really comes down to one thing, and that is money. If they want to pay to drive an old beat up bus with three tires and a broken left turn signal, rather than going for a newer model, then I give them what they want. I will express what I think they should do, but in the end, it is the customers' decision.

    When Goofy had the checkbook, you wear Goofy clothes.

    C

  • John Doe (unregistered) in reply to Yo
    Yo:
    UnFleshed One:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    Yo:
    Michael Thompson:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    And I am apalled.

    and who cares?

    I believe he/she was talking about the WTF posted above, not your comment. You know, article-related comments in the comments section of the article.

    Captcha: smile. Excellent. :)

    Ah Ok, and by the way it's appalled with double 'p'

    I apologize. Adult ADD. It is such a waste of a

    What was I talking about?

    Apologize accepted.

    And by the way, it is "apology accepted" :).

    Oh Sorry I apology

    This comment will probably make it to the main page if it continues for much longer...

  • Rich (unregistered)

    I once wrote an extended stored procedure that basically called Sleep(). I can't remember what for now but I think it had something to do with waiting for some kind of bank processing to go through.

  • (cs) in reply to John Doe
    John Doe:
    Yo:
    UnFleshed One:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    Yo:
    Michael Thompson:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    And I am apalled.

    and who cares?

    I believe he/she was talking about the WTF posted above, not your comment. You know, article-related comments in the comments section of the article.

    Captcha: smile. Excellent. :)

    Ah Ok, and by the way it's appalled with double 'p'

    I apologize. Adult ADD. It is such a waste of a

    What was I talking about?

    Apologize accepted.

    And by the way, it is "apology accepted" :).

    Oh Sorry I apology

    This comment will probably make it to the main page if it continues for much longer...

    Whoa. I am getting dizzy.... I need to sit down.

  • (cs) in reply to mkb
    mkb:
    Captcha:
    I didn't think anyone could beat this WTF, then I read this comment....

    I've been stuck in situations where Microsoft's documentation is wrong, their support won't cooperate, and I need an answer to stave off the customer on the phone who's trying to sue. Microsoft has no competition and they know it and act accordingly

    Judging by your attitude and the kind of unfounded opinion you are spouting here, you are exactly the kind of guy I wouldn't give much help to over the phone either. This reeks of all the people who submit 'bug reports' ("I found a bug!" to every forum) about anything and everything in Vista and then LOLOL and say M$ sucks!

    Grow up... no one is 'out to get you'. Do some more research about .NET philosophy and the mono project, and then maybe you can find some grounds for an argument. In the meantime, your comments about .NET being proprietary are simply ridiculous...

    I am not all that surprised your customers call in ready to sue for an answer... Especially when you undoubtedly start blaming Microsoft for all of your problems....

  • SmashAndGrab (unregistered) in reply to MasterPlanSoftware
    MasterPlanSoftware:
    John Doe:
    Yo:
    UnFleshed One:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    Yo:
    Michael Thompson:
    Yo:
    SmashAndGrab:
    And I am apalled.

    and who cares?

    I believe he/she was talking about the WTF posted above, not your comment. You know, article-related comments in the comments section of the article.

    Captcha: smile. Excellent. :)

    Ah Ok, and by the way it's appalled with double 'p'

    I apologize. Adult ADD. It is such a waste of a

    What was I talking about?

    Apologize accepted.

    And by the way, it is "apology accepted" :).

    Oh Sorry I apology

    This comment will probably make it to the main page if it continues for much longer...

    Whoa. I am getting dizzy.... I need to sit down.

    I wonder if there is a limit on quotes in this? Alex?

  • Zylon (unregistered)

    This thread is an excellent demonstration of why useful features will always be abused by morons.

  • Duston (unregistered)

    Didn't Borland put delay loops in some of their software back in the 80's? And when they took them out, they crowed about their performance improvements? Or maybe I'm just showing my age...in more way than one.

  • facetious (unregistered) in reply to SmashAndGrab

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    CAPTCHA: darwin ... even BETTER answer???

  • (cs) in reply to JimiH
    JimiH:
    In my 15-something years as a professional software developer using Microsoft tools, I've had to call Microsoft support exactly once, and they bent-over backwards to help me.

    I had a similar experience. We were developing a Windows Service that had some very odd behavior that was out of reach of the debugger. They sent us a special set of debugging .dlls for XP, and once the application "failed", they took the debugging information, analyzed it for us, and then proceeded to help us target the problem. I had a steady stream of conversation going with the same guy for over a week. Most vendors would have passed the buck in a day or so and said it was something wrong we were doing.

    Of course, those that are trashing Microsoft's support have never actually called it, so I am just preaching to the choir.

  • Bill (unregistered) in reply to bullseye
    bullseye:
    JimiH:
    In my 15-something years as a professional software developer using Microsoft tools, I've had to call Microsoft support exactly once, and they bent-over backwards to help me.

    I had a similar experience. We were developing a Windows Service that had some very odd behavior that was out of reach of the debugger. They sent us a special set of debugging .dlls for XP, and once the application "failed", they took the debugging information, analyzed it for us, and then proceeded to help us target the problem. I had a steady stream of conversation going with the same guy for over a week. Most vendors would have passed the buck in a day or so and said it was something wrong we were doing.

    Of course, those that are trashing Microsoft's support have never actually called it, so I am just preaching to the choir.

    They're probably relating their experience with the end-user OS support (which is AWFUL). I have also found the developer support to be pretty good.

  • phx (unregistered) in reply to SmashAndGrab

    Grow a spine, for God's sake. And some balls, while you're at it.

    Even if you got more disposable income than Bill Gates, I wouldn't take your offer to write a C#-compiler in Brainfuck. You needed to take my daughter hostage and even then I'd consider for at least a minute if I should show you the finger.

    Jeezes, what has the world come down to? Programming with punchcards if the price is right, pfft. Go watch Office Space one more time please.

  • phx (unregistered) in reply to SmashAndGrab

    Clicked the wrong button again. This was directed at this comment:

    SmashAndGrab:
    Honestly, I dont really care what environment I work in or what language I use. If the customer says they want it written in AWK, then I write in AWK. If they want me to update from an old version of VFP to a new version of VFP, then I do that. Anything. It really comes down to one thing, and that is money. If they want to pay to drive an old beat up bus with three tires and a broken left turn signal, rather than going for a newer model, then I give them what they want. I will express what I think they should do, but in the end, it is the customers' decision.

    When Goofy had the checkbook, you wear Goofy clothes.

    C

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