• (cs) in reply to stewie

    stewie:

    Say "C Pound" in the U.K. and you'll be referring to low-grade currency.

    Saying "C Hash" there would be clearer.

    Question: Who the fuck doesn't already know that?  Anyone?

  • (cs) in reply to Whackjack
    Whackjack:
    Mung Kee:
    Anonymous:

    Mung Kee:
    Cthulhon:
    //try to connect to Sequel Server

    I hate to rant, but I can't stand people who say/type 'sequel server' instead of "Es Kyoo El"/SQL when talking about it.  Pronouncing vowel-deprived acronyms is one of the most obnoxious habits ever.


    I suppose you ALWAYS say the letters (color coded for readability) R-A-M, C-D-R-O-M, L-A-N, A-N-S-I, A-S-C-I-I, M-I-M-E, etc?  Relax dude.  Thankfully we're not all as uptight as you.

     

    Just in order to beat Cthulhon to the punch, he did say "Pronouncing vowel-deprived acronyms is one of the most obnoxious habits ever." and all of your examples contain vowels.



    <sarcasm>
    Ah, I see.  So the vowels are the key.  Well that changes everything.  All of the sudden 'sequel server' sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me. 
    </sarcasm>


    Even the ones with vowels in them sound stupid when pronounced as a word and not an acronym.  I submit to you "GUI" and "URL".


    Alright, alright, I'll give you "gooey" and "earl" but I'm sticking with the others! HAHA
  • (cs) in reply to Ytram

    Ytram:
    Whackjack:
    Even the ones with vowels in them sound stupid when pronounced as a word and not an acronym.  I submit to you "GUI" and "URL".


    Yeah, like those other crazy ones like LASER and RADAR.

    The worst is 'scuba'.  It's "I'm going S-C-U-B-A diving" people.

  • zip (unregistered) in reply to dubwai

    Are we having a contest here to see who can be the rudest about the most trivial thing?  I think the "acronyms that sound stupid" guy is winning but this is pretty good too.

  • zip (unregistered) in reply to dubwai
    dubwai:

    stewie:

    Say "C Pound" in the U.K. and you'll be referring to low-grade currency.

    Saying "C Hash" there would be clearer.

    Question: Who the fuck doesn't already know that?  Anyone?

     

    Are we having a contest here to see who can be the rudest about the most trivial thing?  I think the "acronyms that sound stupid" guy is winning but this is pretty good too.

  • DS (unregistered) in reply to stewie
    stewie:
    dreifus:
    Cthulhon:
    //try to connect to Sequel Server

    I hate to rant, but I can't stand people who say/type 'sequel server' instead of "Es Kyoo El"/SQL when talking about it.  Pronouncing vowel-deprived acronyms is one of the most obnoxious habits ever.


    Worse yet, some people pronounce C# as C-Sharp instead of C-Pound as it obviously should be.


    Say "C Pound" in the U.K. and you'll be referring to low-grade currency.

    Saying "C Hash" there would be clearer.


    C Hash.  C Hash smoke.  Smoke Hash smoke!
  • (cs) in reply to zip
    Anonymous:
    dubwai:

    stewie:

    Say "C Pound" in the U.K. and you'll be referring to low-grade currency.

    Saying "C Hash" there would be clearer.

    Question: Who the fuck doesn't already know that?  Anyone?

    Are we having a contest here to see who can be the rudest about the most trivial thing?  I think the "acronyms that sound stupid" guy is winning but this is pretty good too.

    Go weep softly somewhere else.  You're making me uncomfortable.

  • (cs) in reply to dubwai
    dubwai:

    Ytram:
    Whackjack:
    Even the ones with vowels in them sound stupid when pronounced as a word and not an acronym.  I submit to you "GUI" and "URL".


    Yeah, like those other crazy ones like LASER and RADAR.

    The worst is 'scuba'.  It's "I'm going S-C-U-B-A diving" people.



    No, the worst is that Java book by the name of "Java POOP" (Principles of Object-Oriented Programming).  Had to have been 5-7 years ago.
  • (cs) in reply to Mung Kee
    Mung Kee:
    dubwai:

    Ytram:
    Whackjack:
    Even the ones with vowels in them sound stupid when pronounced as a word and not an acronym.  I submit to you "GUI" and "URL".


    Yeah, like those other crazy ones like LASER and RADAR.

    The worst is 'scuba'.  It's "I'm going S-C-U-B-A diving" people.



    No, the worst is that Java book by the name of "Java POOP" (Principles of Object-Oriented Programming).  Had to have been 5-7 years ago.

    I have to disagree; that's the best.

  • DS (unregistered) in reply to dubwai
    dubwai:

    Ytram:
    Whackjack:
    Even the ones with vowels in them sound stupid when pronounced as a word and not an acronym.  I submit to you "GUI" and "URL".


    Yeah, like those other crazy ones like LASER and RADAR.

    The worst is 'scuba'.  It's "I'm going S-C-U-B-A diving" people.



    One of my pet peeves is when my fellow members refer to us as Nambla, it's an acronym people, not a word! N-A-M-B-L-A !

    I guess the rule of thumb would be if the acronym makes a word pronounce it that way (PERL, COM, etc. vs XML, ATL, HTML, etc which can't really be pronounced).  SQL falls somewhere in the middle.  And does anyone really pronounce ASP as asp (like the snake)?

    CPAN,
  • (cs) in reply to Mung Kee
    Mung Kee:
    dubwai:

    Ytram:
    Whackjack:
    Even the ones with vowels in them sound stupid when pronounced as a word and not an acronym.  I submit to you "GUI" and "URL".


    Yeah, like those other crazy ones like LASER and RADAR.

    The worst is 'scuba'.  It's "I'm going S-C-U-B-A diving" people.



    No, the worst is that Java book by the name of "Java POOP" (Principles of Object-Oriented Programming).  Had to have been 5-7 years ago.


    Teh Winnar!!!
  • Arachnid (unregistered) in reply to stewie
    stewie:
    dreifus:
    Cthulhon:
    //try to connect to Sequel Server

    I hate to rant, but I can't stand people who say/type 'sequel server' instead of "Es Kyoo El"/SQL when talking about it.  Pronouncing vowel-deprived acronyms is one of the most obnoxious habits ever.


    Worse yet, some people pronounce C# as C-Sharp instead of C-Pound as it obviously should be.


    Say "C Pound" in the U.K. and you'll be referring to low-grade currency.

    Saying "C Hash" there would be clearer.


    Or you could just call it "C Sharp", which is its name.
  • (cs) in reply to DS
    Anonymous:
    dubwai:

    Ytram:
    Whackjack:
    Even the ones with vowels in them sound stupid when pronounced as a word and not an acronym.  I submit to you "GUI" and "URL".


    Yeah, like those other crazy ones like LASER and RADAR.

    The worst is 'scuba'.  It's "I'm going S-C-U-B-A diving" people.



    One of my pet peeves is when my fellow members refer to us as Nambla, it's an acronym people, not a word! N-A-M-B-L-A !

    I guess the rule of thumb would be if the acronym makes a word pronounce it that way (PERL, COM, etc. vs XML, ATL, HTML, etc which can't really be pronounced).  SQL falls somewhere in the middle.  And does anyone really pronounce ASP as asp (like the snake)?

    CPAN,


    I would prefer to remain anonymous too.
  • (cs) in reply to Arachnid
    Anonymous:
    stewie:
    dreifus:
    Cthulhon:
    //try to connect to Sequel Server

    I hate to rant, but I can't stand people who say/type 'sequel server' instead of "Es Kyoo El"/SQL when talking about it.  Pronouncing vowel-deprived acronyms is one of the most obnoxious habits ever.


    Worse yet, some people pronounce C# as C-Sharp instead of C-Pound as it obviously should be.


    Say "C Pound" in the U.K. and you'll be referring to low-grade currency.

    Saying "C Hash" there would be clearer.


    Or you could just call it "C Sharp", which is its name.

    Congratulation, you just landed an E- at your 'Spotting The Daily WTF memes' course, your mommy will be proud.

  • Brad B (unregistered) in reply to Cthulhon

    Cthulhon:
    //try to connect to Sequel Server

    I hate to rant, but I can't stand people who say/type 'sequel server' instead of "Es Kyoo El"/SQL when talking about it.  Pronouncing vowel-deprived acronyms is one of the most obnoxious habits ever.

    Man, I didn't realize that "gif" or "jaypeg" was such an obnoxious habit.  I guess I'll have to get used to saying "Hey, Bob!  Where did you store Some Image DOT GEE EYE EFF (DOT JAY PEE GEE)?"

    [^o)]

  • cdg (unregistered) in reply to masklinn

    google : +sql +sequel +history

    one random quote from results:

    By the end of the System/R project, IBM had implemented a language that supported System/R's multi-table queries and multiple-user access called the Structured English Query Language (SEQUEL). The name later was shortened to Structured Query Language (SQL). Today, we still pronounce the abbreviation as "sequel" because of these early roots.

    Some older guys use that "sequel" form pretty often, just historical name ..

     

  • Jordan (unregistered) in reply to Casey

    I agree. The posited WTF is that they were checking the version number in the code against the version number in the DB - isn't it better to know you're using an out of date version than to try to use one and then have it fail in strange ways?


    P.S. If this thread is an example of the standard of discourse around here then you people might want to consider getting lives outside of the Internet. Having dick-swinging matches is ok, but when you're both wrong it's kind of funny.

    P.P.S. On 'Ess-Que-El' vs. 'Sequel': The pronunciation of SQL has been officially declared as "ess kyoo ell" by ANSI.

  • (cs) in reply to cdg
    Anonymous:

    google : +sql +sequel +history

    one random quote from results:

    By the end of the System/R project, IBM had implemented a language that supported System/R's multi-table queries and multiple-user access called the Structured English Query Language (SEQUEL). The name later was shortened to Structured Query Language (SQL). Today, we still pronounce the abbreviation as "sequel" because of these early roots.

    Some older guys use that "sequel" form pretty often, just historical name ..

     



    So it DOES have a vowel.  I hope Cthulhon is reading this.
  • (cs) in reply to Jordan
    Anonymous:


    Don't you mean A-N-S-I?
  • Jordan (unregistered) in reply to Mung Kee

    Nah, I mean A.N.S.I.

  • (cs) in reply to Arachnid
    Anonymous:
    stewie:
    dreifus:
    Cthulhon:
    //try to connect to Sequel Server

    I hate to rant, but I can't stand people who say/type 'sequel server' instead of "Es Kyoo El"/SQL when talking about it.  Pronouncing vowel-deprived acronyms is one of the most obnoxious habits ever.


    Worse yet, some people pronounce C# as C-Sharp instead of C-Pound as it obviously should be.


    Say "C Pound" in the U.K. and you'll be referring to low-grade currency.

    Saying "C Hash" there would be clearer.


    Or you could just call it "C Sharp", which is its name.

    I call it "C Octothorpe" and my friends keep their distance.
  • (cs) in reply to Jordan
    Anonymous:
    Nah, I mean A.N.S.I.


    If it's on Wikipedia well then it MUST be true.
  • ftp (unregistered)

    The discussion is far more entertaining than the WTF at this point.

  • (cs) in reply to Richard Nixon
    Richard Nixon:
    Ytram:
    Richard Nixon:

    He made 2 mistakes.

    1. The original typo.
    2. Not reading my request closely enough.

    The 2nd mistake he made was the one I was talking about when I said he had poor attention to detail. The typo has nothing to do with it, tough guy.


    You still seem to be making a connection between a person's posting habit and their coding ability.  Do you seriously think that someone is going to devote the same amount of attention to reading/responding to a post on a message board that they are going to devote to their job?


    Oddly enough, I do. From the best, I expect attention to detail in everything they do.

    Enjoy the trees, let us know when you figure out you're lost in the forest.
  • (cs) in reply to Ytram

    This piece of code can be considered a jewel of brilliancy (sic!) comparing to the mental capacity of those trying to criticize it. It is obviously an internal application, so hardcoding username is somewhat justified, and definitely not a WTF. Besides, where is "checking a constant variable in the code against a version listed in the database"? WTF is "constant variable", anyway? The introduction to the code is more WTF than the code itself.

    And most disturbing is the fact that nobody pointed out real WTF in this code. Which is <FONT face="Courier New">catch (Exception) { Show(Message) }. Because default exception handling should be performed in the default exception handler. There is no excuse for doing it manually in every method. Hejlsberg would probably scream during core review.</FONT>

  • (cs) in reply to stick109
    stick109:

     It is obviously an internal application, so hardcoding username is somewhat justified, 



    Huh ?
  • (cs) in reply to Jordan
    Anonymous:
    I agree. The posited WTF is that they were checking the version number in the code against the version number in the DB - isn't it better to know you're using an out of date version than to try to use one and then have it fail in strange ways?


    Yes - which means that starting off the code with "if the code doesn't match the DB then bail out immediately" is a good thing.  Yuri's "update the DB's version to match mine" is a WTF (there are far less error-prone ways to handle upgrades), and there might also be a WTF in the specific try/catch mechanism used to evaluate the main condition (I don't know nearly enough about this particular language to say).

    Anonymous:


    To hell with that, "sequel" saves a syllable in an unambiguous fashion and will thus remain a de facto standard.

  • (cs) in reply to emurphy
    emurphy:

    Anonymous:


    To hell with that, "sequel" saves a syllable in an unambiguous fashion and will thus remain a de facto standard.


    Indeed.  The official line is there because there's already a SEQUEL(TM) in the same industry for a different thing... see the linked article.
  • (cs) in reply to dreifus
    dreifus:
    stick109:

     It is obviously an internal application, so hardcoding username is somewhat justified, 



    Huh ?


    Seconded.  It is not obvious whether this is an internal application or not.  And even if it is one, hardcoding the name of an individual rather than an organization is a mistake - or a parting "fuck you" when you do finally get canned, take your pick.

    We use 'if user = "INITECH" then X' type code, but only when the situation calls for a rapid patch-test-debug cycle on a live system; that way, the other users are unaffected by the change until we're done testing it, at which point we remove the conditional.  We also use a test database if the procedure changes any records in a non-trivial-to-undo fashion, in which case 'if db = "TEST" then X' would also work.

  • (cs) in reply to emurphy
    emurphy:
    dreifus:
    stick109:

     It is obviously an internal application, so hardcoding username is somewhat justified, 



    Huh ?


    Seconded.  It is not obvious whether this is an internal application or not.  And even if it is one, hardcoding the name of an individual rather than an organization is a mistake - or a parting "fuck you" when you do finally get canned, take your pick.

    We use 'if user = "INITECH" then X' type code, but only when the situation calls for a rapid patch-test-debug cycle on a live system; that way, the other users are unaffected by the change until we're done testing it, at which point we remove the conditional. 



    Well, there are conditional compilation operators for that purpose - even in .net languages.

  • (cs) in reply to DS
    Anonymous:
    PERL, COM, etc. vs XML, ATL, HTML, etc which can't really be pronounced).  SQL falls somewhere in the middle.

    CPAN,


    ceepan,
    ixemmel,
    attel,
    h-timmel,
    sequel,
    gooey,
    urrel,
    yooseh,

    yea i can see how Sequel falls right between PERL and XML.


  • tis (unregistered) in reply to DS
    Anonymous:
    dubwai:

    Ytram:
    Whackjack:
    Even the ones with vowels in them sound stupid when pronounced as a word and not an acronym.  I submit to you "GUI" and "URL".


    Yeah, like those other crazy ones like LASER and RADAR.

    The worst is 'scuba'.  It's "I'm going S-C-U-B-A diving" people.



    One of my pet peeves is when my fellow members refer to us as Nambla, it's an acronym people, not a word! N-A-M-B-L-A !

    I guess the rule of thumb would be if the acronym makes a word pronounce it that way (PERL, COM, etc. vs XML, ATL, HTML, etc which can't really be pronounced).  SQL falls somewhere in the middle.  And does anyone really pronounce ASP as asp (like the snake)?

    CPAN,

    To be pedantic... it's only an acronym if it forms a word. Otherwise it's just an abbreviation (or an initialisation, if you prefer).

    ac·ro·nym n. A word formed from the initial letters of a name

    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=acronym

  • tis (unregistered) in reply to tis

    So, that happens if you get the captcha wrong first time, does it?

  • Ran (unregistered) in reply to tis

    You know, it's kind of surprising that in this weird confluence of posters bitching about bad grammar and posters bitching about acronyms being pronounced as words, no one has seen fit to bring up that old grammar-police claim that an "acronym" is an initialism pronounced as a word.

  • (cs) in reply to dreifus
    dreifus:
    emurphy:

    We use 'if user = "INITECH" then X' type code, but only when the situation calls for a rapid patch-test-debug cycle on a live system; that way, the other users are unaffected by the change until we're done testing it, at which point we remove the conditional. 



    Well, there are conditional compilation operators for that purpose - even in .net languages.



    This is in an interpreted language.  What compilation?  :)

  • qiguai (unregistered) in reply to Ded Morris
    Anonymous:
    Anonymous:

    Ytram:


    You still seem to be making a connection between a person's posting habit and their coding ability.  Do you seriously think that someone is going to devote the same amount of attention to reading/responding to a post on a message board that they are going to devote to their job?

    It seems to me that a lot of the programmers who post here spend way too much time bickering and chiding eachother over the smallest non-issues.  It feels like a highschool locker room full of the stereotypical "jock" arguing over who's stronger.  Take a step back and look what types of things you are posting and take a moment to reflect on your bickering and you will realize how childish and pointless it is. 

    I agree completely. I hate the nitpicking.

    Oh, by the way.  Shouldn't it be "high school" not "highschool", as well as "stereo-typical" not "stereotypical.

    One more thing.  You didn't put a space between "each" and "other".

    And what about ...



    No, something stereo-typical is twice as normal as something stereotypical (also, the former term is either more or less categorical than the latter, and vice versa, depending on the sense in which the word categorical is used). Or should that be NORML?
  • gt1329a (unregistered) in reply to dreifus
    dreifus:
    stick109:

     It is obviously an internal application, so hardcoding username is somewhat justified, 



    Huh ?

    What?  That's how I write all of my backdoors...
  • (cs) in reply to language guy
    Anonymous:
    Umm, they can't be "fairly unique design habits".  They are either unique or they are not.  No qualifier is allowed.

    According to Websters:

    Many commentators have objected to the comparison or modification (as by somewhat or very) of unique; the statement that a thing is either unique or it is not has often been repeated by them. Objections are based chiefly on the assumption that unique has but a single absolute sense, an assumption contradicted by information readily available in a dictionary.

  • (cs) in reply to gt1329a
    Anonymous:
    dreifus:
    stick109:

     It is obviously an internal application, so hardcoding username is somewhat justified, 



    Huh ?

    What?  That's how I write all of my backdoors...


    I can't believe it, Jim. That girl's standing over there listening and you're telling him about our back doors?
  • (cs) in reply to Whackjack
    Whackjack:
    Mung Kee:
    Anonymous:

    Mung Kee:
    Cthulhon:
    //try to connect to Sequel Server

    I hate to rant, but I can't stand people who say/type 'sequel server' instead of "Es Kyoo El"/SQL when talking about it.  Pronouncing vowel-deprived acronyms is one of the most obnoxious habits ever.


    I suppose you ALWAYS say the letters (color coded for readability) R-A-M, C-D-R-O-M, L-A-N, A-N-S-I, A-S-C-I-I, M-I-M-E, etc?  Relax dude.  Thankfully we're not all as uptight as you.

     

    Just in order to beat Cthulhon to the punch, he did say "Pronouncing vowel-deprived acronyms is one of the most obnoxious habits ever." and all of your examples contain vowels.



    <sarcasm>
    Ah, I see.  So the vowels are the key.  Well that changes everything.  All of the sudden 'sequel server' sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me. 
    </sarcasm>


    Even the ones with vowels in them sound stupid when pronounced as a word and not an acronym.  I submit to you "GUI" and "URL".


    People actually pronounce URL? I have never heard that done.
  • (cs)

    Is the name changed for this WTF?

    If it isn't, there's an outside chance that he used to admin a message board I frequented... His name was Yuri, he was Ukrainian, and he was also a programmer working with Microsoft products.

    He was stripped of his admin status and banned from the site for abusing his admin rights... So I don't think it'd be beyond him to delete all his code when he left.

    If this branch of Initech is located in New York, then it's almost certainly him.

  • (cs) in reply to emurphy
    emurphy:
    dreifus:
    emurphy:

    We use 'if user = "INITECH" then X' type code, but only when the situation calls for a rapid patch-test-debug cycle on a live system; that way, the other users are unaffected by the change until we're done testing it, at which point we remove the conditional. 



    Well, there are conditional compilation operators for that purpose - even in .net languages.



    This is in an interpreted language.  What compilation?  :)



    I couldn't realize you're giving real example.
    And of course I've been referring to the Mad Coder's code which is in C-hash.
  • Colin (unregistered) in reply to dreifus

    Not sure the isTure or isTrue function is enough to cover it...

    public boolean isGod(String isName)
    {
        boolean red_pill = false;
        boolean blue_pill = true;

        if (isName == "Yuri" || isName == "yuri")
        {
           return blue_pill;
        }

        if (isName != "Yuri" && isName != "yuri")
        {
           return red_pill;
        }

        return false;
    }

  • qiguai (unregistered) in reply to emurphy
    emurphy:
    dreifus:
    emurphy:

    We use 'if user = "INITECH" then X' type code, but only when the situation calls for a rapid patch-test-debug cycle on a live system; that way, the other users are unaffected by the change until we're done testing it, at which point we remove the conditional. 



    Well, there are conditional compilation operators for that purpose - even in .net languages.



    This is in an interpreted language.  What compilation?  :)



    It doesn't, generally, make sense to talk about a language being interpreted or compiled (though it is a handy shorthand in cases where the shorthand doesn't matter- but this is not one of those cases). That distinction applies to implementations (and many implementations contain both interpreters and compilers). I don't know a whole lot about .NET languages, but aren't most of them byte-code compiled? There's no reason that you can't have conditional compilation in a byte-code compiled language- err, I mean implementation.
  • Jeremiah Blatz (unregistered) in reply to dreifus

    Worse yet, some people pronounce C# as C-Sharp instead of C-Pound as it obviously should be.

    C£ ?

  • (cs) in reply to Richard Nixon
    Richard Nixon:

    People actually pronounce URL? I have never heard that done.


    You should talk to a German-speaker then. We always pronounce URL (as "oordl", the 'd' being only hinted at as the result of the r-l connection).
  • (cs) in reply to Richard Nixon
    Richard Nixon:

    People actually pronounce URL? I have never heard that done.


    I once worked with a backward hick from NH that did just that.  "Dude, you got that 'earl'?"  Incidentally, he was always strapped at work too (and I dont mean out of cash.)
  • Rob (unregistered) in reply to CornedBee

    Or the guy I'm working with who pronounces .aspx as "AS-PEX"...

  • vhawk (unregistered) in reply to Jeremiah Blatz
    Anonymous:
    > Worse yet, some people pronounce C# as C-Sharp > instead of C-Pound as it obviously should be.

    C£ ?



    How may times must I repeat it is not C-Sharp,  it is D-Flat

  • (cs) in reply to qiguai
    Anonymous:
    emurphy:
    dreifus:
    emurphy:

    We use 'if user = "INITECH" then X' type code, but only when the situation calls for a rapid patch-test-debug cycle on a live system; that way, the other users are unaffected by the change until we're done testing it, at which point we remove the conditional. 



    Well, there are conditional compilation operators for that purpose - even in .net languages.



    This is in an interpreted language.  What compilation?  :)



    It doesn't, generally, make sense to talk about a language being interpreted or compiled (though it is a handy shorthand in cases where the shorthand doesn't matter- but this is not one of those cases). That distinction applies to implementations (and many implementations contain both interpreters and compilers). I don't know a whole lot about .NET languages, but aren't most of them byte-code compiled? There's no reason that you can't have conditional compilation in a byte-code compiled language- err, I mean implementation.

    Well, C# is at least compiled to MSIL/CIL as ".Net Assembly" which will then be interpreted on the fly to machine code by the CLR.

    And I think that yes, most languages using the CLR have to be compiled to CIL.

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