• mindless_drone (unregistered)

    You mean to tell me the Highly Reliable Times is not a real newspaper? Great, now I have to find a new source of "highly reliable" news.

  • Bill Murray (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    Some Atheist:
    R. Foster:
    Wouldn't be a dev thread without somehow taking a jab at Christianity.

    Guilt, fear and mass insanity. Three cheers for Christianity!

    Odin is the true God.

    Here's the true truth people: http://www.venganza.org/

    To become a pastafarian changed my life.

  • Marcel (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    Some Atheist:
    R. Foster:
    Wouldn't be a dev thread without somehow taking a jab at Christianity.

    Guilt, fear and mass insanity. Three cheers for Christianity!

    Odin is the true God.

    It's talk like that that will make the Great Zeus smite thee with lightningbolts. The oracle advises sacrificing three week-old lambs to appease the Great God.

  • Gilhad (unregistered) in reply to Bill Gay

    ... and the Earth is flat ...

    /catcha: craaazy, yes it is ...

  • Anonymous Coward (unregistered) in reply to Vanders

    I had a dog named Xenix. I miss him. :(

  • iToad (unregistered)

    On that current conditions display...

    Is the morning high tide value of -999. in feet or meters?

  • Obi Wan (unregistered) in reply to Eternal Density
    Eternal Density:
    Obi Wan:
    "Microsoft Linux"?!?

    Same class as: "Microsoft Works" "Christian Psychiatrist" (since psychiatry has long since declared 'man has no soul') And many many others that can be found here: http://www.oxymoronlist.com/

    On the contrary, it's only a particular view of psychiatry that declares that. googles Psychiatry "is the study, prevention and treatment of mental illness and emotional and behavioral problems." No inherent oxymoron.

    And Odin isn't worth mentioning, especially compared to Supreme Commander Thor of the Asgard Fleet! ...what?

    Actually, that still does NOT disprove my point. Nowhere in this definition does psychiatry acknowledge (or disavow for that matter) the human spirit - it is ignored - and my point does imply the particular view of psychiatry you did acknowledge. Christianity does view man as a spirit (or at least that he HAS one), therefore the oxymoron fits more than it doesn't.

    Now for the scary part: I followed the link (http://www.mslinux.org/) a previous user posted, knowing it was a parody of some kind, but by the end it was so good I thought about writing to MS about it. :0

    My company is considering switching from Novell to MS - given the above, I think it's starting to get to me. Pray for me! :0

  • (cs) in reply to Bill Gay
    Bill Gay:
    Cows will learn to fly before Linux could do all the stuff windows actually do.

    Computer boots up. Check Has a GUI. Check Able to read WTF in a web browser. Check Can check email. Check Has MSN client. Check Has ICQ client. Check Wordprocessor, spreadsheet, "database". Check Boot screen/about dialogs say "Copyright Microsoft"... Fail.

    Seems I'm doing all the normal things people do on a computer within Linux. My work PC hasn't booted Windows since about a year ago, and now doesn't even have it installed. My home PC has been exclusively Linux for about 1 month, with the TV tuner (thanks Philips Semi) and some games being the only reason Windows is on there still.

    Bill Gay:
    I've recently tried several linux versions, and not only they were almost everyone the same crap, but they also lack a lot of software. In fact, they all offer the same sofware packages. Just try to find a Sony Vegas replacement for Linux. (good luck)

    Oh, you're one of those people... I tried if for 10 seconds, couldn't find how to <insert simple thing here>, gave up and declared the software as the problem not the user.

    Also, using Sony Vegas as a reason is like saying, "microwaves are all crap because they don't bake cakes right... BTW, I'm a baker".

  • the real wtf is this site (unregistered)

    flash ads?

    Stay classy, thedailywtf^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hworsethanfailure

    My captcha is aptly "cognac".

  • Pax (unregistered) in reply to Moran the magnificent

    A bit of graffiti I once saw on a bridge: Hey Doap, Cant yu spel?

  • Pax (unregistered) in reply to Devil N
    Devil N:
    ParkinT:
    What is NaNF in Celsius?

    DivByZero?

    Naw, just ((0/0) - 32) * (5/9) °C.

    I think NaN propagates, so NaNF would be NaNC.

    And, no doubt real mathemeticians will disagree with me, but 0/0 is not NaN, it's egN (every goddamned number).

    Take 1/0. What number when multiplied by 0, gives 1? No number, hence NaN.

    With 0/0, what number when multiplied by 0, gives 0? Every number. See.

    Aren't you just in awe of my reasoning powers? :-).

    Captha: slashbot: is this a derogatory term for slashdotters who blindly follow the links?

  • Pax (unregistered) in reply to akatherder
    akatherder:
    warmachine:
    I wanna know which newspaper or website had that Microsoft Linux survey. So I know to avoid such morons when I see the name.

    What are you blind? It's The Highly Reliable Times.

    I originally thought that was the WTF: who'd believe that the "Highly Reliable Times" existed?

    'Twasn't 'til I got into the comments that I noticed "Microsoft Linux". Boy, do I feel stupid...

  • Pax (unregistered) in reply to rbonvall
    rbonvall:
    I just wanted to be the frist!!1! one to say that TRWTF is using Fahrenheit. Thanks.

    Captcha: Celsius. Really!

    No way - I call shennanigans!

    Hang on, capthca is 'tastey' - is that spelt right???

  • Bobble (unregistered) in reply to the real wtf is this site
    the real wtf is this site:
    flash ads?

    Stay classy, thedailywtf^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hworsethanfailure

    My captcha is aptly "cognac".

    This site has ads?

  • Billy Baker (unregistered) in reply to tin
    tin:
    Oh, you're one of those people... I tried if for 10 seconds, couldn't find how to <insert simple thing here>, gave up and declared the software as the problem not the user.

    Also, using Sony Vegas as a reason is like saying, "microwaves are all crap because they don't bake cakes right... BTW, I'm a baker".

    I have to say this: microwaves are all crap because they don't bake cakes right... BTW, I'm a baker. You use microwaves if you want to... why the hell not?

    Sorry pal, Linux is fun, but can't put that system in production: the producers, happy with the possibility of a Linux migration (they really loved the idea), says all its multimedia production software have nothing to do in front of the ones Windows has. I'm not a multimedia guy, but a programmer; they were the judges of that, people with tons of experience in that field. Cinelerra, Kino, LVE... i don't remember how much video editing software did we tried; it was about 15. The more proffesional three required triple or quadruple more work to get the same result. Tried 10 linux distros (ubuntu being the slowest; ubuntu studio is nasty as a Windows XP; dyne:bolic was very well received around here BTW). Sound edition software was pretty much OK, but it didn't showed the huge plugin database windows's tools does have, or the same automation tools. I mean... have nothing against linux. I like the guy. But the people i'm talking about is not in a hobbie, free-time enviroment or some kind of challenge against Windows; is working, against a clock, and can't do its job with Linux's tools. You fix that, and i put linux in the office.

    Yeah, i know about OpenOffice; but you're not considering the humongous ammount of software developed for MS Office, already in production. It's not about just double-clicking an excel file or a word document. Changing one for another is traumatic; a migration is not a game, and it's not always possible. There are even annoying tools for Outlook.

    I always try to work with free and open tools every time i have the chance. I don't have the chance every time. Please, stop trying to make of Linux the panacea it's not. It's just a good OS, and better than Windoze in a lot of scenarios. But not every scenario. I hate windows. But Linux still don't have what it takes (even if it's technically supposed to have it). Its community is full of highly skilled developers, but software for Linux is not yet as mature as Windows counterpart. Just not yet. I hope the time comes, but the day is not today.

    Replies welcome people.

  • Sick of Windows vs. Linux (unregistered)

    I'm so sick of people bashing windows over linux and vice versa. Seriously, it all depends on application. Is your application stable on windows, or do you have a bunch of jr. programmers on linux? Which one would you pick? Seriously people - think of the practicalities of business.

  • ajk (unregistered)

    Could somebody explain the wtf with the chevrolet ad?

  • wooter (unregistered)

    Prefering NLE's on Windows because you can't find them on Linux? Most good NLE's started their life on Mac!

    I miss editing on Avid MediaComposer... :)

  • Dave G (unregistered) in reply to Billy Baker
    Yeah, i know about OpenOffice; but you're not considering the humongous ammount of software developed for MS Office, already in production. It's not about just double-clicking an excel file or a word document. Changing one for another is traumatic; a migration is not a game, and it's not always possible. There are even annoying tools for Outlook.

    I always try to work with free and open tools every time i have the chance. I don't have the chance every time. Please, stop trying to make of Linux the panacea it's not. It's just a good OS, and better than Windoze in a lot of scenarios. But not every scenario. I hate windows. But Linux still don't have what it takes (even if it's technically supposed to have it). Its community is full of highly skilled developers, but software for Linux is not yet as mature as Windows counterpart. Just not yet. I hope the time comes, but the day is not today.

    A good carpenter does not blame his tools. Any IT person worth their salt makes do with what they are given, and not always what they want.

  • tacticus (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    Odin is the true God.
    Ehm, little side note there. Odin the chief God, but there are several gods in the Norse mythology. Might as well claim Vishnu or Zeus is the one true God. These mythologies has packs of Gods, in contrast to the Judean, Christian, or Islamic mythology witch has one true God. Same God btw, but there has been wars over what he meant since someone tried to add a message of peace and love into the equation some 2k+ years ago.
  • GeneticFreak (unregistered)

    I thought microsoft did made it's own version of linux starting this year.

  • JJ (unregistered)

    The real WTF is that neither Chet nor Jake Vinson nor lots of other people here gets that the first one is a parody taken out of context and not a WTF at all.

  • (cs) in reply to tacticus
    tacticus:
    FredSaw:
    Odin is the true God.
    Odin the chief God, but there are several gods in the Norse mythology. Might as well claim Vishnu or Zeus is the one true God. These mythologies has packs of Gods, in contrast to the Judean, Christian, or Islamic mythology witch has one true God.
    Yes. That is, indeed, a major part of the joke, and why declaring deities from polytheistic faiths as "the one true god" has become a running joke and meme of the Internet. (The other major part being declaring deities from archaic faiths with no major contemporary following as "the one true god"... this also extends to invented deities, like the Flying Spaghetti Monster.)

    Congratulations for spotting it.

  • (cs) in reply to iToad
    iToad:
    On that current conditions display...

    Is the morning high tide value of -999. in feet or meters?

    The "am" implies it could well be in hours.

  • John Carpenter (unregistered) in reply to Dave G
    Dave G:
    A good carpenter does not blame his tools. Any IT person worth their salt makes do with what they are given, and not always what they want.

    So, i encourage you to go with your client and tell him something like: "dear sir, the campaign you're asking for will not be possible in that time, because i'm a good carpenter". Please, define "good".

    Also, i want to see you talking like that when facing a nasty, never fixed, mythological, phantasmagoric, microsoft bug. "Don't blame the tools". Yeah, right: assembler, basic, and java, are the same if you're a good carpenter, and you always have all the time in the world and know everything.

    Oh... you can also change what other people do with the good carpenter's argument. Just go to production, install good carpenter's software to that people's terminals, and tell them to be happy.

    "Any IT person worth their salt makes do with what they are given". Any IT person are supposed to know something, not everything, and capable of that, not capable of absolutely everything else out there. Were you being sarcastic or something with such a brute comment? Or just tried to sound like some bible guy? "A good carpenter doesn't blame his tools". Very nice. You must be such a cool guy. Was that on a fortune cookie?

  • Tp (unregistered) in reply to Bill Gay
    Bill Gay:
    owh:
    RobertB:
    Um, is TRWTF the fact that everyone so far seems to think that The Highly Reliable Times is A REAL NEWSPAPER?

    HRT: Hormone Replacement Therapy.

    I wonder what the flamers would do with that.

    CAPTCHA: Darwin - a city under fire

    Linux is crap, open source software is a ridiculous idea, the highly reliable times is a real newspaper (you trolls, still talking and no one googled it out yet), and the ones who should be in HRT are the christians. I feel pity for you, people. Specially the ones who still talk about linux as a real option before Windows, the true reliable operating system (even better as server than as client).

    PS: Darwin was right about everything.

    When the big norwegian national tv-channel Nrk (funded by taxes!) was developing their net-tv video-on-demand thing they considered a lot of media servers, and decided on using Windows Media Server, as it was most reliable.

  • -j (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward:
    I had a dog named Xenix. I miss him. :(
    What a coincidence: I had Xenix, and it was a dog. I don't miss it :-)
  • dkf (unregistered) in reply to Pax
    Pax:
    And, no doubt real mathemeticians will disagree with me, but 0/0 is not NaN, it's egN (every goddamned number).

    Take 1/0. What number when multiplied by 0, gives 1? No number, hence NaN.

    With 0/0, what number when multiplied by 0, gives 0? Every number. See.

    You were asleep at the back of the class when infinity was discussed, I see. You also bunked off when IEEE arithmetic was discussed. (1/0 == +Inf, 0/0 == NaN but is more commonly signalled as an error.)

  • Gabelstaplerfahrer (unregistered)

    The last image reminds me of Idiocracy (http://imdb.com/title/tt0387808/) because great technology (LCD or plasma screen) is being used while being complete overkill for a totally uninteresting feature.

    And although the screen itself was designed correctly by skilled people, the programmer that put the screen to use was almost completely unable to put sensible information on that screen.

    It's scary how technology and society seem to get better and dumber at the same time.

    For those of you who haven't seen the movie: it's a must see. I'd rate it an 8.6 out of 10.

  • (cs)

    My WTF was how long I stared at the ConsumerReports add at the bottom looking for the WTF

  • pirates (unregistered) in reply to Leo
    Leo:
    What is that first thing supposed to be? A study on advertising? I don't get it.
    What is there to get? Microsoft press team/company wanted to know if the adverts work. They come up with a set of questions and sent them off to a company like "TechSay". The End.
  • NeoMojo (unregistered) in reply to GeneticFreak
    GeneticFreak:
    I thought microsoft did made it's own version of linux starting this year.

    I think you might have something. Maybe the question was probing how people felt about a Microsoft Linux distro...

  • (cs) in reply to tacticus
    tacticus:
    FredSaw:
    Odin is the true God.
    Ehm, little side note there. Odin the chief God, but there are several gods in the Norse mythology. Might as well claim Vishnu or Zeus is the one true God.
    You picked up on that. Good! You got the point.
    tacticus:
    These mythologies has packs of Gods, in contrast to the Judean, Christian, or Islamic mythology witch has one true God.
    *cough*
    tacticus:
    Same God btw, but there has been wars over what he meant since someone tried to add a message of peace and love into the equation some 2k+ years ago.
    Oh, you must mean Matthew 10:34-36. Yes, I've read that peaceful message.
  • (cs) in reply to Billy Baker
    Billy Baker:
    Sorry pal, Linux is fun, but can't put that system in production: the producers, happy with the possibility of a Linux migration (they really loved the idea), says all its multimedia production software have nothing to do in front of the ones Windows has. I'm not a multimedia guy, but a programmer; they were the judges of that, people with tons of experience in that field. Cinelerra, Kino, LVE... i don't remember how much video editing software did we tried; it was about 15. The more proffesional three required triple or quadruple more work to get the same result. Tried 10 linux distros (ubuntu being the slowest; ubuntu studio is nasty as a Windows XP; dyne:bolic was very well received around here BTW). Sound edition software was pretty much OK, but it didn't showed the huge plugin database windows's tools does have, or the same automation tools. I mean... have nothing against linux. I like the guy. But the people i'm talking about is not in a hobbie, free-time enviroment or some kind of challenge against Windows; is working, against a clock, and can't do its job with Linux's tools. You fix that, and i put linux in the office.

    Yeah, i know about OpenOffice; but you're not considering the humongous ammount of software developed for MS Office, already in production. It's not about just double-clicking an excel file or a word document. Changing one for another is traumatic; a migration is not a game, and it's not always possible. There are even annoying tools for Outlook.

    I always try to work with free and open tools every time i have the chance. I don't have the chance every time. Please, stop trying to make of Linux the panacea it's not. It's just a good OS, and better than Windoze in a lot of scenarios. But not every scenario. I hate windows. But Linux still don't have what it takes (even if it's technically supposed to have it). Its community is full of highly skilled developers, but software for Linux is not yet as mature as Windows counterpart. Just not yet. I hope the time comes, but the day is not today.

    Is that a reasoned and coherent argument? In this forum? In the middle of an OS flame war? This is madness!

    Good points though. I almost exclusively use Linux (home and work), but I also know that not everyone can.

  • billswift (unregistered) in reply to $|i(3_x

    If you limit sanity to relying only upon reason, leaving no room for the addition of faith, then Christians are indeed insane.

    Religious faith cannot be added to reason - religious faith is ANTI-reason.

  • billswift (unregistered) in reply to Billy Baker

    Maybe you are a programmer, but no more comprehensible than your English is, I definitely wouldn't trust your perl or C.

  • FinnN (unregistered) in reply to Dave G
    Dave G:
    A good carpenter does not blame his tools. Any IT person worth their salt makes do with what they are given, and not always what they want.

    Errm, I don't normally post here but I can't resist. You've completely missed the point of the "only a poor workman blames his tools" idiom. It means that a good workman makes sure that he's using good tools as that's part of being a good workman.

  • whicker (unregistered) in reply to FinnN
    FinnN:
    Dave G:
    A good carpenter does not blame his tools. Any IT person worth their salt makes do with what they are given, and not always what they want.

    Errm, I don't normally post here but I can't resist. You've completely missed the point of the "only a poor workman blames his tools" idiom. It means that a good workman makes sure that he's using good tools as that's part of being a good workman.

    Absolutely. I was just going to post this. Without a functioning hammer, how is a carpenter going to pound nails? With his foot?

    Also, Fahrenheit temperature scale is not hard to use if you think of it as a percentage of hotness as related to "human comfortability". Aim for about 65-75% and it's nice. 90-100% is uncomfortably hot. 30% is just too cold (ice cold). 10% and below starts to get deadly without layers.

  • AdT (unregistered) in reply to JB
    JB:
    Since Linux guy hasn't shown up yet allow me to jump in for him:

    "The real WTF is choosing Windows over Linux because of stability"

    Windows is more stable than Linux. The Windows bugs are reproducible. Since Windows 95.

  • AdT (unregistered) in reply to $|i(3_x
    $|i(3_x:
    Real Christianity relieves guilt and fear (the proto-Christian apostle Paul was NOT a timid guy--see Gal 5:12 ;) ). If you limit sanity to relying only upon reason, leaving no room for the addition of faith, then Christians are indeed insane.

    Unfortunately, Real/True Christianity suffers from the same definition problems as True scotsmen.

  • (cs) in reply to billswift
    billswift:
    Religious faith cannot be added to reason - religious faith is ANTI-reason.

    Your logic makes no sense. If I have absolutely no reason to believe something, why would I even believe it? Faith and reason are perfect counterparts, regardless of your particular religious views. When reason and faith diverge, THERE enters extremism and madness.

  • AdT (unregistered) in reply to Billy Baker
    Bill Gay:
    Sorry pal, Linux is fun, but can't put that system in production: the producers, happy with the possibility of a Linux migration (they really loved the idea), says all its multimedia production software have nothing to do in front of the ones Windows has.

    That may be true of the staus quo. But you suggested that this would never change. What if one or more of the vendors of the applications you described made a Linux version? What if WINE or Crossover gets a new enhancement that allows you to use the Windows version of the tool on Linux? What if the vendor considers a true port too expensive but cooperates with Crossover to resolve existing problems with this platform? All of this has happened in the past and for many applications. If you can tell that all this will never be the case for the video editing tools in question, then your crystal ball must be vastly superior to mine.

    Bill Gay:
    I mean... have nothing against linux. I like the guy.

    The guy is called Linus.

    Bill Gay:
    But the people i'm talking about is not in a hobbie, free-time enviroment or some kind of challenge against Windows; is working, against a clock, and can't do its job with Linux's tools.

    My employer uses a Subversion HTTPS server that authenticates and authorizes users against a central directory system. It's a CRUX Linux system configured and maintained by yours truly. It's not a hobby of mine and I actually charge money for it. Can you believe it? We have some other Linux servers as well. One has been in use for many years.

    Bill Gay:
    Yeah, i know about OpenOffice; but you're not considering the humongous ammount of software developed for MS Office, already in production.

    Microsoft Office works fine using Crossover Linux. Whether OpenOffice offers bug for bug compatibility with MS Office, or will ever do so, is thus completely irrelevant to your "Linux can't do it" claim. OpenOffice is not "Linux", after all.

    Bill Gay:
    I hope the time comes, but the day is not today.

    That's something else entirely than claiming it will never happen. GNU/Linux already offers everything that a large and growing number of users ever need. Maybe it will never be all things to all people. So what? Windows has never been either.

  • jayh (unregistered)

    Perhaps I'm missing a sarcasm flag, but the 'highly reliable times' was an actual ad copy produced by Microsoft and made it's way into several publications.

    As with all ads, studies are done to gauge effectiveness, the humor (as I see it) is that the research agency was profoundly (and entertainingly) clueless about their customer's product.

    Not really a reflection one way or the other on MS, but a profoundly unprofessional research group.

  • Reader (unregistered) in reply to AdT
    AdT:
    $|i(3_x:
    Real Christianity relieves guilt and fear (the proto-Christian apostle Paul was NOT a timid guy--see Gal 5:12 ;) ). If you limit sanity to relying only upon reason, leaving no room for the addition of faith, then Christians are indeed insane.

    Unfortunately, Real/True Christianity suffers from the same definition problems as True scotsmen.

    A key difference between Christianity and other religions is that it holds that you can't earn your way into heaven.

    Christianity doesn't suffer from definition problems, it suffers from redefinition problems by those who want to create a God of their own liking.

    Note that all but one of the apostles died as martyrs because they continued to preach and teach. Not wimpy at all.

    Psychology is focused on self and contains the implicit assumption that God isn't capable of taking care of you. Then there's Jung's spirit guide, "Philemon the demon", and his automatic writing.

    Flame away...

  • (cs) in reply to Reader
    Reader:
    AdT:
    $|i(3_x:
    Real Christianity relieves guilt and fear (the proto-Christian apostle Paul was NOT a timid guy--see Gal 5:12 ;) ). If you limit sanity to relying only upon reason, leaving no room for the addition of faith, then Christians are indeed insane.

    Unfortunately, Real/True Christianity suffers from the same definition problems as True scotsmen.

    A key difference between Christianity and other religions is that it holds that you can't earn your way into heaven.

    Christianity doesn't suffer from definition problems, it suffers from redefinition problems by those who want to create a God of their own liking.

    Note that all but one of the apostles died as martyrs because they continued to preach and teach. Not wimpy at all.

    Psychology is focused on self and contains the implicit assumption that God isn't capable of taking care of you. Then there's Jung's spirit guide, "Philemon the demon", and his automatic writing.

    Flame away...

    Not a flame (I think), but ...

    Helloooo? Ever heard of Martin Luther? (Salvation by Works. There's apparently a Moslem equivalent, btw, although a google search would be too exhausting for me at the moment, because I have little enough patience for ninnies at the best of times. Let alone religious bigot ninnies.)

  • (cs) in reply to billswift
    billswift:
    Maybe you are a programmer, but no more comprehensible than your English is, I definitely wouldn't trust your perl or C.
    Run that by us one more time, would you?

    This time in either English, or perl, or C.

    One would assume that he is precisely as comprehensible as "his English is." That would sort of be the point of writing in English. It's a little difficult to be either more or less comprehensible...

    Although, if he can manage that feat, I don't quite see what relevance it has to his C or perl (assuming he programs in either, which is pretty much a long-shot, these days).

  • Reader (unregistered) in reply to real_aardvark

    [original post omitted for brevity]

    Not a flame (I think), but ...

    Helloooo? Ever heard of Martin Luther? (Salvation by Works. There's apparently a Moslem equivalent, btw, although a google search would be too exhausting for me at the moment, because I have little enough patience for ninnies at the best of times. Let alone religious bigot ninnies.)[/quote]

    Hello,

    Martin Luther, as you know, initiated the Protestant Reformation.

    I refer you to the Five Solas of the Reformation, specifically "Solo Gratia", or in English, "[salvation] by grace alone".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_solas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

  • (cs)

    Re m$ linux - I really am going to be sick.

  • (cs) in reply to KozMoz
    KozMoz:
    Re m$ linux - I really am going to be sick.

    Oh! Is there a reliable version of Windows now? One safe enough to trust major financial batch transactions on? Wow..... How did they do THAT!!??

    Oh, its a joke, Ok.

  • GeneticFreak (unregistered) in reply to NeoMojo

    AFAIK Linspire is sponsored by MS

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