The Daily WTF: Curious Perversions in Information Technology

russ0519 · 2013-01-10 Reply Admin

Evan:
urza9814:
Unless...maybe if you folded up the foot of the 1 up? Would depend on the font then I suspect. This requires more research!
What's the smallest shape of a given area? A circle. So what you need to do is just make as close to a circle from all the pixels in the 0 and 1 as you can.
You could even then just record the radius of that circle as your compression method!

[image] [image]

1=1.38KB 0=2.86KB

QED

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TGV:
HeeHaw:
Paul:
OK, this one had me totally buying in to the retired university story, because that is exactly how university employees act when they want something.
You weren't accepted to grad school, i see.
I also found it a bit resentful, but it is true that universities have quite a large number of people who've their head stuck up their own arse. Plus, it makes a good story.

One of my favorite insults: He's got his head so far up his ass he can see out of his own mouth.

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Tracy:
You've apparently never worked IT with medical doctors as clients. They are convinced that a medical degree is the same as a genius certificate and anyone without it is a moron, and most of their colleagues with them are morons also. They are also in the important business of saving lives so any IT delay is an emergency that could KILL SOMEONE.

True. Real Doctor (TM) support is worse than PhD Doctor support.

But the PhDs know they can't resort to the life-or-death argument, which just frustrates them all the more, making them yell louder and stomp their feet harder.

There's almost an inverse ratio. The true geniuses have a calm quiet air about them, because everybody knows they've earned respect. The wannabe hangers-on struggle mightily over who gets the bottom rung on the ladder.

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jay:
I don't think anyone knows who invented the hoe, the plow, and irrigation, but I think it's a fair bet that none of them were university professors.

If I'm sitting in my field pulling weeds by hand and some clever guy comes up and demonstrates his new invention, the hoe, I will happily buy it from him because he's providing some product or service people want bad enough to pay for it. I don't care whether he's from the university or not.

The people who can't produce anything anybody is willing to buy are left with only one alternative: beg for money. Or I guess they could just steal it. No wait, why take the risk of your victims shooting back when the government goons will steal it for you and hand it over if you ask nicely?

Which is why you get guys who graduate from begging daddy for money for ho's to begging the government for money so they can invent hoes.

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Smug Unix User:
Real IT doesn't answer phone calls.

"Hello, IT..."

"Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

"right. Thank you!" <click>

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TRWTF is that nobody called out the author on "Jim from IT" yet

[image] [image]

Seriously, did nobody else even chuckle at that?

Captcha: decet

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The "R"s of tech support:

Retry Reboot Reinstall Refund!

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Frank:
The people who can't produce anything anybody is willing to buy are left with only one alternative: beg for money. Or I guess they could just steal it. No wait, why take the risk of your victims shooting back when the government goons will steal it for you and hand it over if you ask nicely?
Which is why you get guys who graduate from begging daddy for money for ho's to begging the government for money so they can invent hoes.

There is another reason that you need to beg for money: You gave all your hoes aways for free!

Publishing a exact description on how to make hoes, so every one can have a hoe, not just some privileged people who can afford to buy one.

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WhiskeyJack:
My best modem story was a solution that combined old tech with new tech.
Back in 2004 or so, I was at a retreat and conference center in California that was designed for spiritual solitude and yada-yada-yada. Bottom line, no phone lines in the bedrooms, and obviously no wifi or internet access.

But I did have a cell phone and laptop, both Bluetooth enabled. (Oh, and cell phones didn't have EDGE or 3G at that time yet. They did have GPRS, which was next to useless.)

And, back home in Canada, I still had a working dialup ISP account.

So the solution: pair the cell phone with the laptop as a Bluetooth wireless modem. Call international long-distance to my home ISP and establish a dialup connection over the cell line. I was able to successfully connect at 9600 baud, not really very useful for web browsing but sufficient to check my email every day.

When I look back at how not-that-long-ago that was, and how much more connected we are today, it blows my mind.

What blows my mind more: sure, it cost me a couple bucks in long distance roaming fees to make those calls. But to roam on 3G networks internationally today would cost MORE. Yikes!

This troll shows some promise. How many people will bite?

Matt Westwood · 2013-01-10 Reply Admin

John Hensley:
TRWTF is Jim's failure to tell Mary to go to hell before hanging up.

"Aha, this needs a specialist maintenance hack. I doubt you have the necessary equipment at your home base - we'll have to improvise. Tell me, do you have some ice cubes - colder the better? You'll need as many as you can find. And also I'm going to need you to find a wooden spoon, or spatula or something, it's got to be wooden ... "

etc. etc. etc. and on until:

"Right, now take that wooden spoon, which by now should be at the correct temperature ... and shove it up your arse as far it it will fucking go."

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someone:
Frank:
The people who can't produce anything anybody is willing to buy are left with only one alternative: beg for money. Or I guess they could just steal it. No wait, why take the risk of your victims shooting back when the government goons will steal it for you and hand it over if you ask nicely?
Which is why you get guys who graduate from begging daddy for money for ho's to begging the government for money so they can invent hoes.

There is another reason that you need to beg for money: You gave all your hoes aways for free!

Publishing a exact description on how to make hoes, so every one can have a hoe, not just some privileged people who can afford to buy one.

You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.

I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will. Banks forced to loan to people who had no down payment. But hey at least some politicians got to brag about how they were helping the homeless, so there's that.

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Karl:
You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.

Exactly!

How does it benefit anyone, if someone does not have a hoe , has to do it manually and cannot do anything more productively in that time?

And soon 3d printer can create an arbitrary number of those hoes...

Karl:
I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will.

Absolutely not!

If people were allowed to just camp on an empty field, instead of proving that they have earned the right to be somewhere with that loan, there would not be any problem.

The left position always was that loans are going to destroy the economy and must be abolished.

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It is so concerning when people do not equate education and research with value. I'm guessing your problems at whatever university you worked at had more to do with your bad attitude than anyone else's.

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Tracy:
You've apparently never worked IT with medical doctors as clients. They are convinced that a medical degree is the same as a genius certificate and anyone without it is a moron, and most of their colleagues with them are morons also. They are also in the important business of saving lives so any IT delay is an emergency that could KILL SOMEONE.

Some doctors (such as radiologists) have the social skills of rocks, too.

2013-01-10 Reply Admin

With all these silly jokes you missed the real problem here: why is there a /dev/zero but not a /dev/one? Does Linus hate ones or are they just too big to generate in real time?

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[quote][quote user="someone"][quote user="Karl"]You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it. [/quote] Exactly!

How does it benefit anyone, if someone does not have a hoe , has to do it manually and cannot do anything more productively in that time?[/quote]It benefits me and my friends. How else could we look down on those peasants who can't even afford a hoe (whatever that is)! [quote]And soon 3d printer can create an arbitrary number of those hoes...[/quote]Fortunately, we still have copyright, patents and intellectual property to stop that. [quote][quote user="Karl"] I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will. [/quote]

Absolutely not!

If people were allowed to just camp on an empty field, instead of proving that they have earned the right to be somewhere with that loan, there would not be any problem.

The left position always was that loans are going to destroy the economy and must be abolished.[/quote]Rubbish! The housing bubble was created by this left socialist government. Or maybe the previous government which was also socialist.

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What a stupid comment software! Can't even get the quotes right. Listen you smart programmers: If the quoting don't match, either fix it or give me some red error message. Don't post the article which renders wrong!

So again:

someone:
Karl:
You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.
Exactly!
How does it benefit anyone, if someone does not have a hoe , has to do it manually and cannot do anything more productively in that time?
It benefits me and my friends. How else could we look down on those peasants who can't even afford a hoe (whatever that is)!

And soon 3d printer can create an arbitrary number of those hoes...
Fortunately, we still have copyright, patents and intellectual property to stop that.
Karl:
I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will.

Absolutely not!

If people were allowed to just camp on an empty field, instead of proving that they have earned the right to be somewhere with that loan, there would not be any problem.

The left position always was that loans are going to destroy the economy and must be abolished.

Rubbish! The housing bubble was created by this left socialist government. Or maybe the previous government which was also socialist.

PedanticCurmudgeon · 2013-01-10 Reply Admin

Sean:
Hmm, may be from you we should take away all the stuff that came out of ideas from the people who lack productivity and have only clout. I am sure you would be very productive dragging a hoe or plow in a remote farm. But wait, even those tools or things like irrigation to get water away from rivers were discovered by people who were not productive in your thinking (if ever there was an oxymoron) and thought so that someone like you can live.
Guess it hurts to be around people who can think when all you are qualified to do is answer the phone and read from a script; if you can find the right one.

9/10, would flame (but it looks like a couple of people already did).

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BeerJane:
WhiskeyJack:
My best modem story was a solution that combined old tech with new tech.
Back in 2004 or so, I was at a retreat and conference center in California that was designed for spiritual solitude and yada-yada-yada. Bottom line, no phone lines in the bedrooms, and obviously no wifi or internet access.

But I did have a cell phone and laptop, both Bluetooth enabled. (Oh, and cell phones didn't have EDGE or 3G at that time yet. They did have GPRS, which was next to useless.)

And, back home in Canada, I still had a working dialup ISP account.

So the solution: pair the cell phone with the laptop as a Bluetooth wireless modem. Call international long-distance to my home ISP and establish a dialup connection over the cell line. I was able to successfully connect at 9600 baud, not really very useful for web browsing but sufficient to check my email every day.

When I look back at how not-that-long-ago that was, and how much more connected we are today, it blows my mind.

What blows my mind more: sure, it cost me a couple bucks in long distance roaming fees to make those calls. But to roam on 3G networks internationally today would cost MORE. Yikes!

This troll shows some promise. How many people will bite?

Huh?

2013-01-10 Reply Admin

Sean:
Hmm, may be from you we should take away all the stuff that came out of ideas from the people who lack productivity and have only clout. I am sure you would be very productive dragging a hoe or plow in a remote farm. But wait, even those tools or things like irrigation to get water away from rivers were discovered by people who were not productive in your thinking (if ever there was an oxymoron) and thought so that someone like you can live.
Guess it hurts to be around people who can think when all you are qualified to do is answer the phone and read from a script; if you can find the right one.

Err....I think most of the worlds (useful) inventions came from backyard inventors and commercial research - NOT the world of academia. Often things might even have been invented without the inventor really understanding the science behind it....

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I sense much butt hurt in this thread from probable university staff/professors/grad students. Haha... higher education can be a great tool to improve your intelligence, but lots of idiots don't know how to use the tool and just assume that it worked when it didn't...

Much like MaryB and her dial-up internet

2013-01-10 Reply Admin

savar:
LoremIpsumDolorSitAmet:
So TRWTF is that Jim didn't properly authenticate the caller? Maybe there really was a MARYB and she got lucky, but a little more digging would have ratted her out.
Also, his very FRIST question should have been whether she could get a dial tone.

I guess Jim didn't even try to look up the maryb account to see if it existed? Or did this woman happen to guess both the name of a university worker from 15 years ago AND the format of usernames they used back then?

Also, Jim doesn't fix her problem at all, and she suddenly bursts out that the uni support is so much better than AOL? So she's just pleased that somebody answered the phone and not bothered in the least that she still can't get online...

This story sucks.

The account name does seem bodgey - she needs to know how they're made as well as

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Capitalist:
What a stupid comment software! Can't even get the quotes right. Listen you smart programmers: If the quoting don't match, either fix it or give me some red error message. Don't post the article which renders wrong!
So again:

someone:
Karl:
You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.
Exactly!
How does it benefit anyone, if someone does not have a hoe , has to do it manually and cannot do anything more productively in that time?
It benefits me and my friends. How else could we look down on those peasants who can't even afford a hoe (whatever that is)!

And soon 3d printer can create an arbitrary number of those hoes...
Fortunately, we still have copyright, patents and intellectual property to stop that.
Karl:
I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will.

Absolutely not!

If people were allowed to just camp on an empty field, instead of proving that they have earned the right to be somewhere with that loan, there would not be any problem.

The left position always was that loans are going to destroy the economy and must be abolished.
Rubbish! The housing bubble was created by this left socialist government. Or maybe the previous government which was also socialist.

Not socialist -- corporatist. Which is why, when all of those loans failed, they just paid back the banks' losses and continued the same disasterous policies. Leftist/socialists would have let the banks fail...and would not have let them take advantage of people with these predatory lending practices in the first place. The deregulation that allowed them to do that was capitalist; the government assurance that they wouldn't lose was corporatist.

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urza9814:
Capitalist:
What a stupid comment software! Can't even get the quotes right. Listen you smart programmers: If the quoting don't match, either fix it or give me some red error message. Don't post the article which renders wrong!
So again:

someone:
Karl:
You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.
Exactly!
How does it benefit anyone, if someone does not have a hoe , has to do it manually and cannot do anything more productively in that time?
It benefits me and my friends. How else could we look down on those peasants who can't even afford a hoe (whatever that is)!

And soon 3d printer can create an arbitrary number of those hoes...
Fortunately, we still have copyright, patents and intellectual property to stop that.
Karl:
I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will.

Absolutely not!

If people were allowed to just camp on an empty field, instead of proving that they have earned the right to be somewhere with that loan, there would not be any problem.

The left position always was that loans are going to destroy the economy and must be abolished.
Rubbish! The housing bubble was created by this left socialist government. Or maybe the previous government which was also socialist.

Not socialist -- corporatist. Which is why, when all of those loans failed, they just paid back the banks' losses and continued the same disasterous policies. Leftist/socialists would have let the banks fail...and would not have let them take advantage of people with these predatory lending practices in the first place. The deregulation that allowed them to do that was capitalist; the government assurance that they wouldn't lose was corporatist.

Also worth noting that hardcore leftists generally oppose government as a whole, preferring instead a society based on consent and mutual aid. The difference between an anarcho-syndicalist (which are generally the people calling themselves "leftist", to differentiate themselves from the nanny-state liberals) and an anarcho-capitalist (the people who generally use the term "libertarian") is not about government, which both want to abolish, but about the best way to organize a society and culture without government. The anarcho-capitalists think it should be an every man for himself free-for-all, while the syndicalists would prefer a cooperative society of strong, democratic communities.

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Capitalist:
It benefits me and my friends. How else could we look down on those peasants who can't even afford a hoe (whatever that is)!

Well, that sounds reasonable...

Capitalist:
Rubbish! The housing bubble was created by this left socialist government. Or maybe the previous government which was also socialist.

Here in Europe I have often heard the US did not have a left government, since they killed all the Indians/Native Americans off...

2013-01-10 Reply Admin

Karl:
You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.

Well, duh. That's pretty much the objective of humanity. If we ever manage to get into that "post-scarcity era" when resources are basically free, only a goddamn monster would not give everything to everyone.

Now if you talk about giving people more stuff than we can actually afford to, that's not even leftist, that's retarded populism.

2013-01-10 Reply Admin

So is it like a TDWTF thing where literally everyone posting in the comments is trolling? Because if not then there are a hell of a lot of populist IT guys out there who can't wait to tell everyone how them thar doctors with all them fancy book learnin's ain't so smart after all.

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Evo:
The real WTF if a *tech* guy being socially engineered by a clueless woman...

Not at all. Con is short for confidence, a con-job depends on convincing the mark that the con-artist is genuine.

Appealing to your ego and pride is a typical way to accomplish that. Lots of people will act clueless or helpless to get what they want, this woman probably does it without thinking.

The professionals work the same way; look at the Nigerian scammers: they're perfectly happy for you to believe that they're ignorant foreign (black) idiots who couldn't possibly outwit a savvy Westerner.

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Capitalist:
What a stupid comment software! Can't even get the quotes right. Listen you smart programmers: If the quoting don't match, either fix it or give me some red error message. Don't post the article which renders wrong!

That really is fucking annoying.

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WhiskeyJack:
So the solution: pair the cell phone with the laptop as a Bluetooth wireless modem. Call international long-distance to my home ISP and establish a dialup connection over the cell line. I was able to successfully connect at 9600 baud, not really very useful for web browsing but sufficient to check my email every day.

It's still the same today, though the modem+cell phone can be plugged into a USB port instead of using Bluetooth. When a vendor performs some work inside a multinational's data centre and has to send a report before leaving, the vendor isn't allowed to deliver the report on a USB memory stick or connect to the client's LAN, so the vendor has to dial up and send e-mail.

It's also still the same in less developed countries. Cable companies have brought wired internet to some of the bigger villages and one village even has wired phone lines now, but otherwise cellular is the only way.

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Yeah, Paul, because bosses are never assholes with unrealistic expectations. We don't have those posts here on a regular basis.

If universities weren't required to produce something of value, then why do businesses require a college degree for so many jobs? If businesses value productivity, then obviously colleges are productive, because otherwise businesses wouldn't value them.

2013-01-10 Reply Admin

Except you're typically using the 3G or whatever the cell data plan uses, not using dialup via a conventional cell call like WhiskeyJack described.

2013-01-10 Reply Admin

Anon:
DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM DAMMIT!!!

Well, you've posted as "Anon (unregistered)". So no, not really.

2013-01-10 Reply Admin

There is an old saying I will hereby mangle:

The reason that the politics in academia are so intense is because the stakes are so small.

I worked in education and there is nothing more self-important than an unimportant faculty member.

herby · 2013-01-10 Reply Admin

Now to complete the task, all we need to do is advise MARYB to turn on the WiFi in her computer and look for a hotspot.

Simple solution if you ask me! Dial-up is for wimps!

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

True... but to have VoIP, you need high-speed hard line internet access... Kind of a chicken and egg problem.

Even today, some people have a choice between dial-up and (expensive) satellite. Within an hour drive of a major university. (Don't ask how I know)

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

Actually some cellular phone companies blocked Skype because customers figured out that VoIP over cellular data was cheaper than cellular voice. I think phone companies finally figured out they can't win that one.

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2004-12-09/

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Capitalist:
What a stupid comment software! Can't even get the quotes right. Listen you smart programmers: If the quoting don't match, either fix it or give me some red error message. Don't post the article which renders wrong!
So again:

someone:
Karl:
You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.
Exactly!
How does it benefit anyone, if someone does not have a hoe , has to do it manually and cannot do anything more productively in that time?
It benefits me and my friends. How else could we look down on those peasants who can't even afford a hoe (whatever that is)!

And soon 3d printer can create an arbitrary number of those hoes...
Fortunately, we still have copyright, patents and intellectual property to stop that.
Karl:
I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will.

Absolutely not!

If people were allowed to just camp on an empty field, instead of proving that they have earned the right to be somewhere with that loan, there would not be any problem.

The left position always was that loans are going to destroy the economy and must be abolished.
Rubbish! The housing bubble was created by this left socialist government. Or maybe the previous government which was also socialist.

You americans never had a socialist government! The only types of government you know is right and far right.

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

Karl:
You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.
I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will. Banks forced to loan to people who had no down payment. But hey at least some politicians got to brag about how they were helping the homeless, so there's that.

So it is leftist schemes who destroyed global economies and not the neoliberal capitalist monster, which has achieved global poverty while a handful of people own billions. The housing bubble was caused from the greed of banks, who wish for the global population to owe them and be their slaves and thus gave out loans like crazy.

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

LoremIpsumDolorSitAmet:
So TRWTF is that Jim didn't properly authenticate the caller? Maybe there really was a MARYB and she got lucky, but a little more digging would have ratted her out.
Also, his very FRIST question should have been whether she could get a dial tone.

At this point it's been... 10 years maybe? since I've had to interact with dial-up in any way. Wait, no, there was that one-weekend outage when I used my DSL ISP's dial-up numbers to get on 6 years ago. I doubt I'd have a mental checklist to run down since I never had to actually support it and have no idea how modern OSes do it. Hell, I barely even remember how you do it in 98 or XP, or what any error codes mean.

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A. Nonymous:
Capitalist:
What a stupid comment software! Can't even get the quotes right. Listen you smart programmers: If the quoting don't match, either fix it or give me some red error message. Don't post the article which renders wrong!
So again:

someone:
Karl:
You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.
Exactly!
How does it benefit anyone, if someone does not have a hoe , has to do it manually and cannot do anything more productively in that time?
It benefits me and my friends. How else could we look down on those peasants who can't even afford a hoe (whatever that is)!

And soon 3d printer can create an arbitrary number of those hoes...
Fortunately, we still have copyright, patents and intellectual property to stop that.
Karl:
I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will.

Absolutely not!

If people were allowed to just camp on an empty field, instead of proving that they have earned the right to be somewhere with that loan, there would not be any problem.

The left position always was that loans are going to destroy the economy and must be abolished.
Rubbish! The housing bubble was created by this left socialist government. Or maybe the previous government which was also socialist.

You americans never had a socialist government! The only types of government you know is right and far right.

Americans bickering about their "left" and "right" governments show a striking similarity to people comparing McDonald's to Burger King and claiming one is healthier than the other.

</troll>

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

CA:
The housing bubble was caused from the greed of banks, who wish for the global population to owe them and be their slaves and thus gave out loans like crazy.

Alternatively, the housing bubble was caused from the greed of people, who wanted things they couldn't afford and were too stupid to realise that it was a bad idea to take out a loan that would take 3,000 years to pay back at 5 times your current salary.

Yes, blame the banks who lend money, rather than those who borrow it. Blame the big corporates rather than the people who make them into big corporates by continuing to buy stuff from them while complaining about it. Blame companies who outsource abroad, while lapping up all the products that you can buy more cheaply now BECAUSE they have outsourced abroad. Etc

The real answer is that pretty much everyone was culpable, but people like to blame OTHER people rather than accept blame themselves.

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

Paul:
CA:
The housing bubble was caused from the greed of banks, who wish for the global population to owe them and be their slaves and thus gave out loans like crazy.

Alternatively, the housing bubble was caused from the greed of people, who wanted things they couldn't afford and were too stupid to realise that it was a bad idea to take out a loan that would take 3,000 years to pay back at 5 times your current salary.

But the whole point was that you wouldn't ever need to pay it back. House prices were going to rise at ten percent a year forever, so after twenty years or so you could sell, pay off the loan, and still be a millionaire on the profits. That's what the banks told you, and the government was there to back them up, so they must be right.

The real answer is that pretty much everyone was culpable, but people like to blame OTHER people rather than accept blame themselves.

Indeed

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

urza9814:
The anarcho-capitalists think it should be an every man for himself free-for-all, while the syndicalists would prefer a cooperative society of strong, democratic communities.

democratic communities != society based on consent If a 'democratiuc community' decides something, they would actually need a form of state power to make it happen. so syndicalists are actually PRO government, but they may not all be sophisticated enough to realize that.

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

CA:
Karl:
You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.
I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will. Banks forced to loan to people who had no down payment. But hey at least some politicians got to brag about how they were helping the homeless, so there's that.

So it is leftist schemes who destroyed global economies and not the neoliberal capitalist monster, which has achieved global poverty while a handful of people own billions. The housing bubble was caused from the greed of banks, who wish for the global population to owe them and be their slaves and thus gave out loans like crazy.

you claim it were greedy bankers in a free, capitalist market that caused it.

Why would a banker give a loan that is unprofitable to anyone?

As you see, this does not make sense.

jwenting · 2013-01-11 Reply Admin

in other words, typical customers...

Zagyg · 2013-01-11 Reply Admin

Paul:
Tracy:
You've apparently never worked IT with medical doctors as clients. They are convinced that a medical degree is the same as a genius certificate and anyone without it is a moron, and most of their colleagues with them are morons also. They are also in the important business of saving lives so any IT delay is an emergency that could KILL SOMEONE.
True. Real Doctor (TM) support is worse than PhD Doctor support.
But the PhDs know they can't resort to the life-or-death argument, which just frustrates them all the more, making them yell louder and stomp their feet harder.

There's almost an inverse ratio. The true geniuses have a calm quiet air about them, because everybody knows they've earned respect. The wannabe hangers-on struggle mightily over who gets the bottom rung on the ladder.

+1

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

libertarian:
you claim it were greedy bankers in a free, capitalist market that caused it.
Why would a banker give a loan that is unprofitable to anyone?

Because the bankers thought, if the loaner cannot pay it back, they get the house and partial back payment, and make a profit in the end.

2013-01-11 Reply Admin

libertarian:
CA:
Karl:
You sound like one of those who think everybody should get everything, whether or not they earn it.
I think that's how we got the housing bubble that destroyed the world's economy, as leftist schemes always will. Banks forced to loan to people who had no down payment. But hey at least some politicians got to brag about how they were helping the homeless, so there's that.

So it is leftist schemes who destroyed global economies and not the neoliberal capitalist monster, which has achieved global poverty while a handful of people own billions. The housing bubble was caused from the greed of banks, who wish for the global population to owe them and be their slaves and thus gave out loans like crazy.

you claim it were greedy bankers in a free, capitalist market that caused it.

Why would a banker give a loan that is unprofitable to anyone?

As you see, this does not make sense.

Because the individual banker is giving a loan out with the bank's money, not his own. The bank gives the banker his commission based on the initial loan. As long as the banker jumps ship before the loan fails, he personally is making a profit even if the organization has a long-term loss.

You're doing that thing where you assume that an organization acts in its own rational best interest all the time, even though organizations are just groups of fallible human beings.

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