• Zan (unregistered)

    1 - If I wanted to hire a jeepies expert I would make the appointment in utm coordinates.

    2 - You should have gone about five hours before to study the terrain and look for various natural features, choke-points, escape routes, high ground...

    captcha (dreadlock): to fear greatly; be in extreme apprehension of ... a device for securing a door, gate, lid, drawer, or the like in position when closed, consisting of a bolt or system of bolts propelled and withdrawn by a mechanism operated by a key, dial, etc.

    That sounds like some kind of "Call of Cthulhu" temporal madness thing. (phobophobia was fun)

  • Mac (unregistered) in reply to Jason
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.

    I couldn't agree more! I mean... since when did "Initialise" have its 's' replaced with a 'z'. Or for that matter why suddenly drop the u from 'colour'? ;-)

  • DOA (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Oh god, is this going to descend into another long flame war about whether or not this story was racist?
    Didn't even cross my mind. You must be American.

    On a different note I don't get it... why didn't he accept the job? :)

  • R (unregistered) in reply to DOA
    DOA:
    Anon:
    Oh god, is this going to descend into another long flame war about whether or not this story was racist?
    Didn't even cross my mind. You must be American.

    Or he could be remembering The Incidental Expert and its endless discussions. Like, what's with Koreans and their broken English? :)

  • Logic-Man (unregistered)

    "“You know,” Rich Z thought to himself ...."

    As he could think to someone else.... rofl

  • DOA (unregistered) in reply to R
    R:
    DOA:
    Anon:
    Oh god, is this going to descend into another long flame war about whether or not this story was racist?
    Didn't even cross my mind. You must be American.

    Or he could be remembering The Incidental Expert and its endless discussions. Like, what's with Koreans and their broken English? :)

    Didn't even cross my mind. You must read all the comments :)

    That was a funny post by the way. It's the reason why you should start with cuss words when learning a foreign language. Sooner or later you'll need them!

  • (cs) in reply to a/c
    a/c:
    Has anyone considered the possibility that PHP may mean something else entirely in this context?

    I'm reminded of the time I went to the dentist and was told that I had some "calculus" on my teeth. I was sure the dental assistant was a flipping retard and I had to stop myself from laughing.

    Then I went home and found out calculus is a perfectly cromulent word for tartar.

    Having worked in GPS tracking for the past 6 or 7 years, I can safely say PHP has no special GPS/logistics meaning.

  • Dave (unregistered) in reply to Jason

    The "real" WTF is that he didn't take the job, man. I mean these people were offering hard cash - and for working in a nice rural environment. And think of the promotional opportunities - once Chuck's heart gives out, he'll be head honcho. Jeepies!

  • Bitter Like Quinine (unregistered)

    Ahh, directions. Who doesn't have a story about following crummy directions? Here's mine...

    I went for a job interview long ago (before the days of internet maps and route planners) and was consequently given a long and complicated set of instructions on how to find the place. This began by instructing me to take a particular exit off a major trunk road, then consisted mainly of spotting this pub or that bar and taking the nth left/right thereafter. It took about five goes to get the sequence just right and I eventually found the place. Fortunately, I'd allowed plenty of time so wasn't even late.

    I was surprised by the company's location though, it was right next to a later junction off the same trunk road I'd left an hour earlier.

  • (cs)

    I was expecting a Bunker at the destination.

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to R
    R:
    DOA:
    Anon:
    Oh god, is this going to descend into another long flame war about whether or not this story was racist?
    Didn't even cross my mind. You must be American.

    Or he could be remembering The Incidental Expert and its endless discussions. Like, what's with Koreans and their broken English? :)

    Exactly, so far we've been lucky. Perhaps we all learned a lesson from the previous incident?

  • (cs) in reply to Bitter Like Quinine
    Bitter Like Quinine:
    Ahh, directions. Who doesn't have a story about following crummy directions? Here's mine...

    I went for a job interview long ago (before the days of internet maps and route planners) and was consequently given a long and complicated set of instructions on how to find the place. This began by instructing me to take a particular exit off a major trunk road, then consisted mainly of spotting this pub or that bar and taking the nth left/right thereafter. It took about five goes to get the sequence just right and I eventually found the place. Fortunately, I'd allowed plenty of time so wasn't even late.

    I was surprised by the company's location though, it was right next to a later junction off the same trunk road I'd left an hour earlier.

    I have another silly story to add as well ... my first job in Boston was at a temp agency in a building downtown. Over the phone, they asked where I was coming from, I said the subway, and they gave me a long set of complicated directions on how to get to their building: exit the subway here, go two blocks down this street, left at macys, take right here, etc ... I wrote it all down and followed the directions best I could and got lost, only eventually to find the building with some help from some friendly homeless people. (I might have made that last part up)

    Of course, I found out later that their building has a direct entrance to the subway in their lobby! All I had to do with exit the train and go up a flight of stairs and I was in the building! That was it! I always found this funny for some reason.

  • (cs) in reply to DOA
    Mac:
    I couldn't agree more! I mean... since when did "Initialise" have its 's' replaced with a 'z'. Or for that matter why suddenly drop the u from 'colour'? ;-)

    One of 10 good reasons to be American:

    You can spell colour wrong and get away with it. :)

    DOA:
    It's the reason why you should start with cuss words when learning a foreign language. Sooner or later you'll need them!

    I always do that whenever I visit a country I don't speak the language of. Among yes, no, please and how to order a beer, getting yourself familiar with local cuss words is always a good idea, be it only to know when you're being insulted for being a stupid tourist, while they friendly smile at you.

  • Newbius Maximus (unregistered)
    “Umm,” opened Chuck, the Head of HR, when Rich was finally led into his office, “your appointment was scheduled to start twenty minutes ago. Do you make it a habit to be late?” ... “East!? Why would you do that!? That would take you clear into another state! Don’t you have a map, or something?” ... “You see, Rich,” Chuck said as he stood up, turned around, and peered out of the window, “timeliness is next to godliness, as they say. And as a logistics company, nothing is more important than being on time. You understand that, right?”
    I think that interview would have ended right there for me. A polite ending, of course, but an end to this quest into insanity. Imagine how things would go if you took the job:

    • Asshat boss: 'Why did you use Cromulatorlib to interface with the Frobulator 2000 Jeepees unit? And why is the Jeepees unit bolted to the truck with 9/16" bolts? I distinctly remember telling you to use 1/2".'

    • PHP Developer: 'Uhhh...no, you told me to use Cromulatorlib and 9/16" bolts."

    • Asshat boss: "Nonsense, you must have heard me wrong. Don't you have a better hearing aid, or something?"

    • Asshat boss: lecture.spew(minutes=10+random.randint(10))

  • Rich Z (unregistered) in reply to valerion
    valerion:
    Having worked in GPS tracking for the past 6 or 7 years, I can safely say PHP has no special GPS/logistics meaning.

    Submitter here... as near as I could tell, they wanted someone to do PHP programming AND install GPS units in trucks

  • Henry (unregistered)

    I worked in a small company like that once. People who run/own these things tend to think of themselves as being God because they own their own company, and want to control every detail, seriously look down on their employees. The upside is that the employees tend to band together in reaction to this and become good friends. Benefits and pay tend to be shit.

    Captcha: burned

    How appropriate.

  • epee1221 (unregistered) in reply to its me
    its me:
    That and Google satellite/hybrid view and it's hard to go wrong....
    Google Earth was pretty much useless. The resolution there is bad enough that you can hardly tell where the roads are (using hybrid/road instead of satellite doesn't really help). And like I said, there's really only one hospital in the county.

    My usual error compensation method worked just fine -- head out early.

  • G Money (unregistered) in reply to Henry
    Henry:
    I worked in a small company like that once. People who run/own these things tend to think of themselves as being God because they own their own company, and want to control every detail, seriously look down on their employees. The upside is that the employees tend to band together in reaction to this and become good friends. Benefits and pay tend to be shit.

    Captcha: burned

    How appropriate.

    Oh, were I one to name names ... what a wonderful world it could be.

    Seriously ... why doesn't anyone name names on here? Liability? I understand that I am liable for my own libel ... but what about the host?

    Heheh .. I'm in Canada anyways...good luck to a Canadian company (not my current employer) suing a US website for comments posted by a Canadian.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to vt_mruhlin
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments?

    The ironing is strong in that comment.

    One guy doesn't know the difference between "speak" and "talk" and the other guy doesn't know the difference between "irony" and "ironing"--and they're complaining about people who use English as a second language? Does anyone else see the "ironing" here?
  • (cs) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    One guy doesn't know the difference between "speak" and "talk" and the other guy doesn't know the difference between "irony" and "ironing"--and they're complaining about people who use English as a second language? Does anyone else see the "ironing" here?
    Maybe vt_mruhlin's ironing is just stronger than your ironing?
  • Exick (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous

    And a third guy is unfamiliar with the concept of sarcasm. Amazing.

  • (cs) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments?

    The ironing is strong in that comment.

    One guy doesn't know the difference between "speak" and "talk" and the other guy doesn't know the difference between "irony" and "ironing"--and they're complaining about people who use English as a second language? Does anyone else see the "ironing" here?

    And one guy doesn't know the difference between "literal" and "sarcastic."

  • PMan (unregistered)
    exited at the time was the forty-five minute commute

    An hour and a half in your car every day excites you? I don't care how good the countryside looks - if you like driving that much maybe you should consider being a truck driver.

  • joomama (unregistered) in reply to sol
    sol:
    We don't program in Engish so why should we need to speak it lmao
    Neither do I, either.
  • sanitarium (unregistered) in reply to its me
    its me:
    This would be why they have street names and address numbers.... "Third floor of the Hancock Hospital" "123 Main Street?" "Oh, no. It's the old Hospital, 456 South Ave".

    That and Google satellite/hybrid view and it's hard to go wrong....

    You know, not every area (even in the U.S.) has an address. When I lived in rural Vermont (a bit outside of Brattleboro), we did not have a street address (not even a Rural Route number).

  • sanitarium (unregistered) in reply to PMan
    PMan:
    exited at the time was the forty-five minute commute

    An hour and a half in your car every day excites you? I don't care how good the countryside looks - if you like driving that much maybe you should consider being a truck driver.

    When your normal commute is over an hour, 45 minutes is a godsend. Here in Chicago, my commute is a little over an hour if I take the "direct" route, and a minute or two shorter if I go via the expressway. And I only 12 live miles from work.

  • Calli Arcale (unregistered) in reply to its me
    its me:
    epee1221:
    Heh heh I had an interview like that once. I was told the office was on the thrd floor of the hospital in Hancock (pretty much the only hospital in the county). So I went out to the hospital and looked around, and I didn't find anything like an office. I called the manager and asked him to confirm the location. It turns out it was at the old decommissioned hospital (which had been converted to offices and classrooms).

    This would be why they have street names and address numbers.... "Third floor of the Hancock Hospital" "123 Main Street?" "Oh, no. It's the old Hospital, 456 South Ave".

    That and Google satellite/hybrid view and it's hard to go wrong....

    Close to where I live (Twin Cities, not rural), there's a popular restaurant. I went there for my mom's birthday party a couple of years ago, and had a terrible time finding the place. We'd used Google Maps to get directions, even consulting the satellite view so we could see what we thought was the restaurant in the parking lot of a stripmall. Unfortunately, scale isn't always obvious on those pictures; what we'd seen in the picture turned out to be nothing more than a gas station's shelter over the pumps. We pored over a map book for a while, to no avail, when we found a random guy walking his dog who told us how to get there. (It was several miles south of there.)

    When we arrived, now fifteen minutes late, the waiter apologized; he said they often run into that problem with Google Maps sending people in totally the wrong direction. I don't see why he had to apologize; it was Google's fault, and perhaps ours for not asking our host for directions.

    Bottom line: even satellite/hybrid view won't save you, because from straight up, most buildings look pretty anonymous. The satellite pictures certainly aren't going to show you helpful signage, or who might be renting one of ten suits in an office building, etc.

    Hmmm -- I wonder if the advent of satellite maps will lead to more businesses designing easily recognizable roofs?

  • G Money (unregistered) in reply to Calli Arcale
    Calli Arcale:
    its me:
    epee1221:
    Heh heh I had an interview like that once. I was told the office was on the thrd floor of the hospital in Hancock (pretty much the only hospital in the county). So I went out to the hospital and looked around, and I didn't find anything like an office. I called the manager and asked him to confirm the location. It turns out it was at the old decommissioned hospital (which had been converted to offices and classrooms).

    This would be why they have street names and address numbers.... "Third floor of the Hancock Hospital" "123 Main Street?" "Oh, no. It's the old Hospital, 456 South Ave".

    That and Google satellite/hybrid view and it's hard to go wrong....

    Close to where I live (Twin Cities, not rural), there's a popular restaurant. I went there for my mom's birthday party a couple of years ago, and had a terrible time finding the place. We'd used Google Maps to get directions, even consulting the satellite view so we could see what we thought was the restaurant in the parking lot of a stripmall. Unfortunately, scale isn't always obvious on those pictures; what we'd seen in the picture turned out to be nothing more than a gas station's shelter over the pumps. We pored over a map book for a while, to no avail, when we found a random guy walking his dog who told us how to get there. (It was several miles south of there.)

    When we arrived, now fifteen minutes late, the waiter apologized; he said they often run into that problem with Google Maps sending people in totally the wrong direction. I don't see why he had to apologize; it was Google's fault, and perhaps ours for not asking our host for directions.

    Bottom line: even satellite/hybrid view won't save you, because from straight up, most buildings look pretty anonymous. The satellite pictures certainly aren't going to show you helpful signage, or who might be renting one of ten suits in an office building, etc.

    Hmmm -- I wonder if the advent of satellite maps will lead to more businesses designing easily recognizable roofs?

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=staples+centre&sll=37.0625,-95.677071&sspn=45.601981,81.738281&ie=UTF8&ll=34.043388,-118.267179&spn=0.002929,0.004989&t=h&z=18&om=1

  • (cs)

    I have had so many jobs and job interviews where the work was totally unrelated to what they said it would be. I've worked as a "Software Engineer" doing data entry into PowerPoint. I was hired as a PHP programmer and told I would be doing nothing but JSP and HTML. It's mind-boggling.

  • Frostcat (unregistered) in reply to vt_mruhlin
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.

    The ironing is strong in that comment. People get the wrong idea of what is or is not "discriminatory". Not hiring somebody because their accent sucks is perfectly applicable in my opinion.

    What? Guess what, that is discriminatory. Discrimination isn't always a bad thing.

    I had to skip past the top few definitions as dictionary.com, because they imply racist discrimination, but see these:

    1. capable of making fine distinctions [syn: discriminative]
    2. manifesting partiality; "a discriminatory tax"; "preferential tariff rates"; "preferential treatment"; "a preferential shop gives priority or advantage to union members in hiring or promoting"
  • Frostcat (unregistered) in reply to Code Slave
    Code Slave:
    Schnapple:
    Code Slave:
    When you are interviewing for a job, ALWAYS CASE THE JOINT IN ADVANCE.

    That's all well and good if you have time but if you're just stealing away from work for an hour you don't have time.

    In the unlikely event that you get a call that says "Can you be here in an hour?", I suppose not casing the joint can be excused.

    However, If you've got so much as a day's notice - you should be able to squeeze casing the joint into your schedule - if not, the job is not really that important to you anyways.

    In the original poster's case it was two hours of their life (there and back). Take your SO for icecream in the Armpit-Midwest town - and kill two birds with one stone.

    +1. The last 3 jobs I had, all the interviewing was done over the phone and internet. I usually arrange to start work on Monday, and then I drive down to the area (hello, cross-country contracting) such that I'll get there on Saturday, or at the latest early Sunday, and get my hotel room. Then I drive to work. Then, on Monday, not only do I know how to get there, but I have already done it in no-traffic conditions.

  • (cs) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments?

    The ironing is strong in that comment.

    One guy doesn't know the difference between "speak" and "talk" and the other guy doesn't know the difference between "irony" and "ironing"--and they're complaining about people who use English as a second language? Does anyone else see the "ironing" here?

    The "ironing" is a Simpsons reference. In one episode Bart says "The ironing is delicious." (meaning "irony") to which Lisa rolls her eyes and then corrects him.

    Bart: [chuckles] Lisa's in trouble. Ha! The ironing is delicious.

    Lisa: The word is "irony".

    Bart: Huh?

    Lisa: Don't you think there's something weird going on here? We spent all day selecting fabric swatches, and then our guest speaker was Phil from marketing.

    Bart: All's I know is I'm getting straight A's, and that ain't not bad!

    -- "Grift of the Magi"

  • Kevin T (unregistered) in reply to G Money
    G Money:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=staples+centre&sll=37.0625,-95.677071&sspn=45.601981,81.738281&ie=UTF8&ll=34.043388,-118.267179&spn=0.002929,0.004989&t=h&z=18&om=1

    If you need words on a roof to pick out a sports stadium on a satellite map, chances are your glasses are too far out of scrip to read them!

    (I know, I know; probably sarcasm but couldn't resist...)

  • nss (unregistered)

    “I’m sure I’ll find another open-source job with a nice, peaceful commute.”

    What's with this "open-source" shit? What's so special about using open source? I just don't get it. In my experience the biggest crap I've ever seen are open source projects. PHP is aged behind java ana asp.net and they are using it only because it's free. I'm so sick of cheap stuff like that...

  • Yeah, Its me again (unregistered)

    Not all jobs with crazy directions are bad.

    I once went for a job where the directions were "You go round the back of 221b Baker St (Shirlock Holms' flat), and up the stairs on the end of the block. Press the top bell and ask for Carol"

    This was a job designing a hard drive interface for the Apple }{!

    Captcha ???

  • M Diamond (unregistered)

    Reminds me a little of my interview with Microsoft in the '80s. Online maps didn't exist but that didn't matter. Not only is MS the biggest employer in the region, they had a favorite taxi company that they used for everything. They booked each candidate their own taxi to take them directly from the hotel to the MS campus. Foolproof, surely.

    Well my taxi picked up someone else for some reason. I eventually called MS when the taxi didn't show, MS called the taxi company and found out the problem. So they sent another taxi, and it's understood that I'm going to be a little late.

    But just my luck, I got possibly the only driver in that fleet who didn't know how to get to Microsoft's front door. He's new and he misses a turn or two. I'm not necessarily remembering this correctly but I think he even offered to write me a note or come in with me to explain, and I declined. If so, it was my mistake. If not, I should have asked him to. Because I got a very strange look from the HR person when I explained why I was so late. I'm not sure she believed that one of their taxi drivers couldn't find Microsoft, and who could blame her? It would be like a taxi driver in Orlando not knowing how to get to Disney World.

    It didn't get much better after that, thanks to some nerves on my part and a miscommunication with one of the interviewers while writing some code for him. So no job offer from Microsoft.

    (Oh, and for the record, in the prescreening interview they didn't ask me a "why are manholes round" type riddle, but other people on my campus were asked that. If you had programming experience they tended to ask questions about data structures and algorithms. If not, then they'd ask a critical-thinking riddle.)

  • G Money (unregistered) in reply to Kevin T
    Kevin T:
    G Money:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=staples+centre&sll=37.0625,-95.677071&sspn=45.601981,81.738281&ie=UTF8&ll=34.043388,-118.267179&spn=0.002929,0.004989&t=h&z=18&om=1

    If you need words on a roof to pick out a sports stadium on a satellite map, chances are your glasses are too far out of scrip to read them!

    (I know, I know; probably sarcasm but couldn't resist...)

    Oh yeah .. that reminds me ... Lenscrafters ...

    Thanks, dude.

  • (cs)

    It's funny how to some people, a drive like that is a sedate, rustic route through scenic woodlands, and to others (cf the first posted interview story) it's an ardorous gauntlet through an okie shithole on broken roads. All depends on how you approach it!

  • DOA (unregistered) in reply to nss
    nss:
    “I’m sure I’ll find another open-source job with a nice, peaceful commute.”

    What's with this "open-source" shit? What's so special about using open source? I just don't get it. In my experience the biggest crap I've ever seen are open source projects. PHP is aged behind java ana asp.net and they are using it only because it's free. I'm so sick of cheap stuff like that...

    While java is far more powerful than a scripting language like PHP, when it comes to web development PHP is far easier (and as a result productive)than say... jsp. Moving from java to PHP is like loosening a tie that's been chocking you for years. And if you don't agree clearly you haven't used both for anything major.

  • Dan (unregistered) in reply to epee1221

    maps.live.com is far better

  • Dan (unregistered) in reply to DOA
    DOA:

    While java is far more powerful than a scripting language like PHP, when it comes to web development PHP is far easier (and as a result productive)than say... jsp. Moving from java to PHP is like loosening a tie that's been chocking you for years. And if you don't agree clearly you haven't used both for anything major.

    And if you think PHP is a relief compared to Java, wait till you try Python...

  • DOA (unregistered) in reply to Dan
    Dan:
    DOA:

    While java is far more powerful than a scripting language like PHP, when it comes to web development PHP is far easier (and as a result productive)than say... jsp. Moving from java to PHP is like loosening a tie that's been chocking you for years. And if you don't agree clearly you haven't used both for anything major.

    And if you think PHP is a relief compared to Java, wait till you try Python...

    sigh if only I had the time...

  • creative type (unregistered) in reply to Calli Arcale
    Calli Arcale:
    Hmmm -- I wonder if the advent of satellite maps will lead to more businesses designing easily recognizable roofs?

    Businesses often do put their name on their roof in Second Life (www.secondlife.com). Of course it's a lot easier in a virtual world, and the equivalent of a satellite map gets updated more often.

  • David (unregistered) in reply to Code Slave
    Code Slave:
    Schnapple:
    Code Slave:
    When you are interviewing for a job, ALWAYS CASE THE JOINT IN ADVANCE.

    That's all well and good if you have time but if you're just stealing away from work for an hour you don't have time.

    In the unlikely event that you get a call that says "Can you be here in an hour?", I suppose not casing the joint can be excused.

    However, If you've got so much as a day's notice - you should be able to squeeze casing the joint into your schedule - if not, the job is not really that important to you anyways.

    In the original poster's case it was two hours of their life (there and back). Take your SO for icecream in the Armpit-Midwest town - and kill two birds with one stone.

    I recommend not killing your bird, or if you do at least kill her before she has taken a bite from her icecream. That way you get to get both her and her icecream.

    captcha: bling witty comment: who cares?!

  • Joe (unregistered) in reply to PMan
    PMan:
    exited at the time was the forty-five minute commute

    An hour and a half in your car every day excites you? I don't care how good the countryside looks - if you like driving that much maybe you should consider being a truck driver.

    My commute is that long. I drive into Boston every day. It's shorter, slower, and much more aggravating (idiot Boston drivers). I'd happily trade it in for a commute of the same length of time, but without the stop and go traffic. What a dream.

    Captcha: slashbot - Oh yeah, I haven't read that site today. Must go check out what's on slashbot today.

  • RLucey (unregistered) in reply to TangentZ
    The Real WTF is that he didn't have "Jeepies" installed in his car

    That is funny as hell!

  • RLucey (unregistered) in reply to Shadowman
    The ironing? Is there a wrinkled shirt around here or something?

    that's great

  • RLucey (unregistered) in reply to Rank Amateur
    epee1221: It turns out it was at the old decommissioned hospital (which had been converted to offices and classrooms).

    It’s off either Exit 6 or 7, I think. Turn left at the end of the ramp, but don’t go left too much yet. Drive for awhile, maybe a few minutes, like 30 miles. You’ll see the old Barnum homestead, but that doesn’t matter unless you've already gone too far. After passing a speed limit sign, turn on the road that used to be unpaved. When you get to an intersection with a house that has the wrong shudders, head uphill. You’ll drive by a flower garden, but it might not be blooming. Take the leftish right at the grove where the teenagers hang out a lot. We’re in the hospital building, sort of, on the 3rd floor, which isn’t the 3rd story. --Rank

    I cant stop laughing

  • (cs) in reply to danfiru
    danfiru:
    yah, but you don't have to lecture the guy for 40 minutes

    Remember, he had 40 minutes to prepare his speech.

  • Alex (unregistered) in reply to sanitarium

    Long driving hours is really exhausting. But I still find the green vegetation at the countryside therapeutic so at least it relieves the exhaustion and boredom a bit. I am more worried that my old Denali will soon suffer and I will be forced to have some of my GMC truck parts replaced.

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