• (disco)

    @PJH the article is live and Paula is MIA again.

    In the real world, if a student thinks the teacher is wrong, he doesn’t get to change his grade.

    I have had the opposite experience: my teachers admit to being imperfect and would admit to mistakes when they realized them.

    The surgical resident cuts where the surgeon says and not the other way around.

    But they should at least understand why they are cutting in certain places.

    The general doesn’t discuss strategy with the privates.

    Because the general can himself fight, physical condition allowing. I don't think all managers know how to program.

    If you join a union, and as the new guy demand to have equal say on policy with the union bosses, you’ll be bunking with Jimmy Hoffa.

    It's not about equal say, it's about actually understanding the needs of the workers, right?

    Experience speaks with exclamation points. Inexperience speaks with question marks.

    Panic speaks with exclamation points. You need to know what you don't know.


    I know that part of the article is probably being sarcastic, but still.

    EDIT: I should mention, the article is making a good point, I'm just not really a fan of how it makes that point. The programmers were clearly doing nonsensical things and the original design was definitely not nonsensical and we trust that judgement because it was verified by an independent source. But just saying that you should blindly trust superiors because "that's how the world works" kind of set me off.

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  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    I have had the opposite experience: my teachers admit to being imperfect and would admit to mistakes when they realized them.

    I have the same experience as you though the teacher did add "you might win some and you might lose some".

  • (disco) in reply to JBert
    JBert:
    "you might win some and you might lose some".

    But it's all the same to me. The pleasure is to play, it makes no difference what you say.

    <!--Lemmy-rolling is a thing now?-->
  • (disco)

    Sounds like a place or two I've worked...

  • (disco)

    TRWTF is "architects" who aren't also the lead software engineers. Seriously, just give those same people a title like principal or senior software engineer, and hire some newer people to staff up their team and have them all design and code together.

    This weird firewall between the offshore team and their lead and the architects is the problem.

  • (disco) in reply to William_Furr
    William_Furr:
    This weird firewall between the offshore team and their lead and the architects is the problem.

    There are other problems too, such as the project management being utterly spineless. For example, this:

    The project manager and above seemed disinterested, saying that the junior developers shouldn’t be doing that, but we trust them to do the right thing.

    http://www.wideawakebusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Danger-WR-WP2.jpg

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    > In the real world, if a student thinks the teacher is wrong, he doesn’t get to change his grade.

    I have had the opposite experience: my teachers admit to being imperfect and would admit to mistakes when they realized them.

    Still, the student doesn't get to change the grade; the teacher does. And the student had better be prepared to do a bit of work, sometimes quite a lot of work, to convince the teacher that the mistake is actually a mistake, like going to three different libraries searching for a book that met his standards for convincing proof. (That worked out well; not only did he change my grade, shortly afterward he offered me a job as a student lab assistant.) I've also been in the position where the teacher admitted that I was right, but didn't change the grade (one point on a test on which I already had a very solid A, so it didn't really matter as far as my grade, but I was right, dammit!). And, of course, there are times when one cannot convince the teacher, either because the teacher is actually right, or because the teacher is a jerk; BTDT, too.

  • (disco) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    the project management being utterly spineless.

    QFFT

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    the student had better be prepared to do a bit of work, sometimes quite a lot of work, to convince the teacher that the mistake is actually a mistake

    There was a stage at school where I was one of those irritating students where, when my answers disagreed with what the teacher had, the teacher would have to go through and recheck whether they'd got it wrong or I had. Across almost all subjects too. :smiley:

    School got better once I was allowed to go at my own speed provided I did all the exercises in the textbooks. And the engineering club was great

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    Because the general can himself fight, physical condition allowing.

    I don't think that's why privates don't get input into military strategy. Are you saying he doesn't need to involve the privates in the planning, because if necessary he can just do the fighting himself?

  • (disco) in reply to na5ch

    No, I'm saying he has some idea about what fighting even is in the first place, so his plans will be at least competent.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    No, I'm saying he has some idea about what fighting even is in the first place, so his plans will be at least competent.

    This^^^ All too often, the project managers and business analysts either have no experience actually writing code (I've worked for project managers who only had management degrees) or they were developers 2+ decades ago in some long-forgotten language, but still want to play architect in languages and systems that they have no clue how they work.

    Event worse is when the project manager doesn't like the architect's solution for something (usually, because they don't understand it), so goes around them and gets a junior developer to implement something the wrong way.

  • (disco) in reply to na5ch
    na5ch:
    he doesn't need to involve the privates in the planning

    Best way to avoid unwanted pregnancy.

  • (disco) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    HardwareGeek:
    the student had better be prepared to do a bit of work, sometimes quite a lot of work, to convince the teacher that the mistake is actually a mistake

    There was a stage at school where I was one of those irritating students where, when my answers disagreed with what the teacher had, the teacher would have to go through and recheck whether they'd got it wrong or I had. Across almost all subjects too. :smiley:

    One time in some class... I forget the name but I think we started by reviewing base-2 and base-16 math, boolean logic, and then learned all of the layers for communications from a network frame up through TCP/UDP and had to write a simple client/server thing... anyway I knew I had a solid 99 on a test (out of 100; it was graded 95 or something), so I wrote comments on it and gave it back. The instructor rechecked it and changed the grade to a 97 or something like that, so I wrote more comments and gave it back again. That time he just changed the grade to 100.

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