• (disco)

    I always wondered why modems made noise out loud like that.

    The reason they played it over a loudspeaker to start with is so you could hear if somthing went wrong with the connection (busy signal, wrong number, a person picked up instead of a modem on the other end, etc). http://superuser.com/a/477364/219815

    I kinda thought it was something like that.

  • (disco)

    Lol total newb, dialtone is the first thing I check if the modem isn't working randomly. More often some jerk just left the handset off the hook...

  • (disco)

    "I don't know what good that would do", Mary said, "my daughter bought us cell phones and we cancelled the phone line last week."

    :laughing:

  • (disco)

    People like that fill me with incandescent rage. It makes me want to campaign for compulsory euthanasia for everyone older than, I dunno, 55, who can't keep a civil tongue in their heads. Nasty, vicious, sour, poisonous, disgusting old oxygen larcenists.

  • (disco) in reply to Quite
    Quite:
    55

    Why not half that? :notes: :door:

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    so you could hear if something went wrong with the connection

    When I found myself habitually on a computer with a quiet hard-drive, I found myself missing the noise the hard-drive made because I didn't know whether the computer was busy or frozen.

    Oh, I just told you that so you would help me. I'm not even sure where the university is.

    Classic because the caller is a

    Quite:
    Nasty, vicious, sour, poisonous, disgusting old oxygen larcenist

    with blind support from an authority figure.

  • (disco) in reply to Quite
    Quite:
    People like that fill me with incandescent rage. It makes me want to campaign for compulsory euthanasia for everyone older than, I dunno, 55, who can't keep a civil tongue in their heads. Nasty, vicious, sour, poisonous, disgusting old oxygen larcenists.

    Hey! I resemble that remark. :rage:

  • (disco) in reply to Quite
    Quite:
    Nasty, vicious, sour, poisonous, disgusting old oxygen larcenists.

    /me takes notes :pencil2: :notebook:

  • (disco) in reply to Quite

    Please.

    I know people in their 20's who don't understand that the monitor is not "The computer."

    My grandmother taught herself Skype in her 80's (this was back in the early 2000's). She just made up her mind that "If that's how my grandkids are talking, I'm going to learn it so I can talk with them."

    There's nothing about age that causes or cures the problem. It's all about attitude.

    I think their should be "Service authorization boards" that decide what you can have/use. IT techs will "remove" your PC privileges. Auto mechanics will "remove" your driving privileges. Veterinarians will "remove" your animal care privileges, etc.

  • (disco) in reply to Wesley_Long
    Wesley_Long:
    IT techs will "remove" your PC privileges. Auto mechanics will "remove" your driving privileges. Veterinarians will "remove" your animal care privileges, etc.

    The thing is, we already have a system in place to deal with the last two. If someone's abusing animals, they get the animals taken away and a fine or jail time or whatever. If someone violates traffic law a lot, they get their license taken away and a fine or jail time or whatever.

    But none of those things are from the people who deal with them. The animals generally get taken away by humane societies via legal action. The driver's licenses get taken away by the state government. There's no law that says you can't be stupid with a computer, even if only because half of congress would be breaking it the moment it was passed.

  • (disco) in reply to Shoreline
    Shoreline:
    When I found myself habitually on a computer with a quiet hard-drive, I found myself missing the noise the hard-drive made because I didn't know whether the computer was busy or frozen.

    Worse, manufacturers have stopped including disk usage indicator lights on many computers. Now I have a stupid ritual of waiting 5 minutes on the login screen and 10 minutes after logging in, because sometimes the disk gets overstressed and takes too long and certain "smart" applications give up and exit instead of just waiting.

    Wesley_Long:
    I think their should be "Service authorization boards" that decide what you can have/use. IT techs will "remove" your PC privileges. Auto mechanics will "remove" your driving privileges. Veterinarians will "remove" your animal care privileges, etc.

    +1 - though by the time that happens cars will be self driving anyway.

  • (disco) in reply to ben_lubar
    ben_lubar:
    There's no law that says you can't be stupid with a computer, even if only because half of congressthe Secretary of State would be breaking it the moment it was passed.

    Both versions are true, actually.

  • (disco) in reply to ben_lubar

    Ah, but you miss the point. Yes, abuse and mayhem are criminal, but there's nothing shutting down outright stupidity.

    You speed or cause damage, yes, you lose you license, but there's no punishment for the moron who buys a new car, drives 35K miles on it, and then yells at the mechanic when the break-in oil has become sludge. No one stops people who dress their pets in stupid outfits that the pets obviously hate.

  • (disco) in reply to Wesley_Long
    Wesley_Long:
    No one stops people who dress their pets in stupid outfits that the pets obviously hate.

    I hate dressing up, but nobody's throwing me in jail for putting on a fancy shirt.

    Are you suggesting we should ban everything that anyone could find even the slightest bit uncomfortable? Should we ban running for office because I don't like watching their commercials? Should we ban email because some companies send spam using it? Should we ban charging money for products because I would prefer to get everything free?

  • (disco) in reply to ben_lubar

    Lighten up, Francis.

    We're talking about people dressing up pets, not what shirt you're wearing.

  • (disco) in reply to aliceif
    aliceif:
    Quite:
    55
    Why not half that? :notes: :door:

    Why not half that?

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    It started with faxes, because a lot of fax machines shared the same line with a human and so the human had to have some time to turn on the fax machine if they heard the tone.

    Modems evolved from fax machines.

  • (disco) in reply to Wesley_Long
    Wesley_Long:
    We're talking about people dressing up pets, not [...] you

    Hey, don't judge Ben's life choices!

  • (disco) in reply to blakeyrat
    blakeyrat:
    Modems evolved from fax machines.

    Also, Modems evolved from Modems.

    One wonders why they never backported any newer tech concepts backward. I mean, if you were transmitting on eight frequencies through the telephones instead of the one (er, two I guess), then couldn't you increase bandwidth the same way our sparkly DOCSIS 3.0 modems do it?

    Surely the Telcos would love this idea, as it would stretch their monopoly on copper even longer? :trolleybus:

    Edit: Added a trolley, because apparently it wasn't obvious enough.

  • (disco)

    ...classic WTF about dial-up Internet service. Originally written by Kirby F. submitted by @ben_lubar.

    FTFY

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra

    Oh, high-speed copper internet? Enter 100/100 VDSL2.

  • (disco) in reply to aliceif
    aliceif:
    Enter
    Yeah, but you can't pick up the phone and inundate yourself with VDSL frequencies, can you? How are you going to tell if it's working then, huh? :trolleybus:
  • (disco) in reply to aliceif
    aliceif:
    Enter 100/100 VDSL2.

    Doesn't that depend on the copper wires not being a crusty load of shit?

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    Worse, manufacturers have stopped including disk usage indicator lights on many computers. Now I have a stupid ritual of waiting 5 minutes on the login screen and 10 minutes after logging in, because sometimes the disk gets overstressed and takes too long and certain "smart" applications give up and exit instead of just waiting.

    Hmm. USB drive with an LED drive activity indicator--that'd be neat.

  • (disco) in reply to Wesley_Long
    Wesley_Long:
    there's no punishment for the moron who buys a new car, drives 35K miles on it, and then yells at the mechanic when the break-in oil has become sludge.

    Sure there is! His insurance says "fuck you, you can replace the car yourself."

  • (disco) in reply to ben_lubar
    ben_lubar:
    I hate dressing up, but nobody's throwing me in jail for putting on a fancy shirt.
    [image]

    Perhaps they should, though.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    Now I have a stupid ritual of waiting 5 minutes on the login screen and 10 minutes after logging in, because sometimes the disk gets overstressed and takes too long and certain "smart" applications give up and exit instead of just waiting.

    Sounds like someone in here might benefit from buying himself an SSD for Christmas...

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra
    Tsaukpaetra:
    One wonders why they never backported any newer tech concepts backward. I mean, if you were transmitting on eight frequencies through the telephones instead of the one (er, two I guess), then couldn't you increase bandwidth the same way our sparkly DOCSIS 3.0 modems do it?

    They sort of did--there was a time in the 90s if you were willing to buy a second modem, a second phone line, and your ISP supported it, you could dial in on both lines at once and supposedly get double-speed internet.

  • (disco) in reply to AlexMedia
    AlexMedia:
    Sounds like someone in here might benefit from buying himself an SSD for Christmas...

    My desktop has a 128GB SSD. I was referring to my laptop which has an old hard drive.

  • (disco) in reply to Shoreline
    Shoreline:
    When I found myself habitually on a computer with a quiet hard-drive, I found myself missing the noise the hard-drive made because I didn't know whether the computer was busy or frozen.
    Back in the day I had a portable radio (which at the time meant you *could* lift and carry it while it played). I'd found a frequency where, with the antenna extended across the case, I could listen to some of the EM leakage from the motherboard. I could tell the difference between thrashing and lockup by the different sounds they made.
  • (disco) in reply to Watson
    Watson:
    I could tell the difference

    For me, I have a TV that apparently has an unshielded amplifier near the front speaker. If I align my phones correctly, I can detect 3g wireless activity with it. :wink:

  • (disco) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    Doesn't that depend on the copper wires not being a crusty load of shit?

    True. Which is why I'm currently stuck on ADSL2+.

  • (disco) in reply to aliceif
    aliceif:
    dkf:
    Doesn't that depend on the copper wires not being a crusty load of shit?

    True. Which is why I'm currently stuck on ADSL2+.

    Back in the day, my neighborhood couldn't get DSL at all for a long time. When it did become available, I got service from a small, regional ISP that was a reseller for SBC (or whatever they were calling themselves at the time). Their prices were higher than buying direct from SBC, but with customer service that was rated 5 stars, while SBC's was 0. (Their prices were higher because SBC didn't like resellers, and charged them more than consumers; the ISP just passed their costs through.)

    Eventually, after a few years, I noticed they were running a promotion for higher speed service for less money than I was currently paying — win-win! Unfortunately, my copper couldn't support the higher speed, so I couldn't upgrade and didn't get the lower price, either. :/

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    I always wondered why modems made noise out loud like that.
    Apart from telling if something had gone wrong, I found I could also tell if it had connected at 56kbps or if it had dropped down to 33.6kbps; the noises it made during connection were quite different.

    And while I'm as foolishly nostalgic as the next person, I definitely do not miss the days of having to partition phone line time between voice and internet access. Especially fun when you were part way through a large download and someone picked up the phone to make a call. There were download managers to help out with that situation, but not all sites supported resuming a download.

  • (disco)

    :rofl: Hey, that's the one I wrote.

  • (disco) in reply to Scarlet_Manuka
    Scarlet_Manuka:
    There were download managers to help out with that situation

    Oh wow, this reminds of when I was 11 using Internet Explorer 6 on XP and some sites would say that you needed to disable any download managers to make sure the download worked, and I had no idea what a download manager was until you wrote this post. Our internet was definitely not dial-up.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    I had no idea what a download manager was until you wrote this post

    Wait, seriously? Or did you just not realize that Ctrl-J was actually a really cheap built-in download manager?

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    when I was 11 using Internet Explorer 6 on XP

    :get_off_my_lawn.mp4:

    Seriously, when I was 11 I don't think I'd never even seen a computer. I first touched one when I was 13 — a PDP8-L with 4k of memory and a BASIC interpreter loaded from punched paper tape. When I was 11, the original IBM PC was still over a decade in the future; even the Apple ][ was almost a decade away. Although I used a lot of computers in school and work, I didn't actually own one of my own (a '286) until I was almost 30.

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra
    Tsaukpaetra:
    Wait, seriously? Or did you just not realize that Ctrl-J was actually a really cheap built-in download manager?

    I just never made the connection, I guess. Besides, you have to enable a special flag in chrome://flags to enable download resumption, so I don't really think it counts.

    HardwareGeek:
    :get_off_my_lawn.mp4:

    I was born in the nineties so I missed a lot of cool early computing technology while I was growing up. My grandmother has a working Windows 3.1 computer that runs The Incredible Machine, though...

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    I was born in my nineties.


    Filed under: I am now 110+ years old.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    That reminds me when I was in my teens, using Windows XP and pirating the hell out of everything, including the aforementioned XP. Remember, this is the time that Rapidshare was the big thing, probably the biggest it'd ever gotten.

    So, I was downloading a lot but didn't want to pay forcouldn't afford a premium account. But my ISP was assignin IPs dynamically, so I had a script plugged into my download manager, that would reset the router after each download.

    And, but only for a while, this great thing called P2M has happened and one could download gigs of pirated HIV infected software from Gmail and Yahoo, all in 10 MB parts.

    These were the great times.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    And you too could play TIM, for the low low price of £6.59 eurobux

  • (disco) in reply to FrostCat
    FrostCat:
    USB drive with an LED drive activity indicator

    Not sure if serious... All external disks and thumbdrives I've come across had an activity LED. I'm looking at one blinking right now and there's a USB stick behind my notebook which probably doesn't blink currently but will if I access something on it.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    AlexMedia:
    Sounds like someone in here might benefit from buying himself an SSD for Christmas...

    My desktop has a 128GB SSD. I was referring to my laptop which has an old hard drive.

    How does that refute his point? Buy an SSD for your laptop.

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra
    Tsaukpaetra:
    I can detect 3g wireless activity with it

    Can you listen to check whether someone is watching porn on their phone nearby?

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    Seriously, when I was 11 I don't think I'd never even seen a computer.

    So you did see some before 11?

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    I was born in the nineties so I missed a lot of cool crap early computing technology while I was growing up.

    FTFY. Tech is a hell of a lot nicer now. The things that you missed out on that were worthwhile were some of the communities of people, many of whom were really worth being part of. But the tech? Fuck that shit. We don't need a return to dicking around with CONFIG.SYS in an attempt to get all your drivers out of working memory so that your games could run, or having to tell each game separately what the sound card's IO ports were…

  • (disco) in reply to obeselymorbid
    obeselymorbid:
    HardwareGeek:
    Seriously, when I was 11 I don't think I'd never even seen a computer.

    So you did see some before 11?

    Bah. I added "I don't think" as an afterthought, because it's possible I had but don't remember it, and missed that I made a double negative.

    Filed under: INB4 somebody takes "I don't think" out of context and agrees with that as a general statement.

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    I don't think

    I see. :trolleybus:

  • (disco) in reply to obeselymorbid
    obeselymorbid:
    All external disks and thumbdrives I've come across had an activity LED

    Sorry, I should've said "USB device that contains an activity LED for the hard drive in the computer."

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