• (disco)

    For quality assurance purposes, please find the grey Heart ( :heart: ) icon near this text, and use the primary mouse button to interact with it.


    Filed under: No, I'm not a robot. cxb 1727.... jello 481....

  • (disco)

    This thread is right above The Fox Ideas Thread in my Notifications list and I got excited because I misread the title of this thread as Fox Quality Assurance Purposes :sadface:

    [image] I get the feeling that this medical microscope is often used to confirm horrible, incurable diseases.
  • (disco) in reply to Fox

    It is pretty solemn, isn't it?


    Filed under: StartIt is my only friend...

  • (disco)

    Several of these have easy to explain reasons.

    Quality Assurance number 4 is like a poor-man's CAPCHTA, to make sure you are reading the questions and answering properly - not just pressing "C" for all answers.

    The "Cmd" button is explained: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looped_square

  • (disco) in reply to Zemm
    Zemm:
    Quality Assurance number 4 is like a poor-man's CAPCHTA, to make sure you are reading the questions and answering properly - not just pressing "C" for all answers.
    If you press "C" to answer a multiple choice quiz or survey when the choices are numbered in decimal, you'll have a hard time finishing it...
  • (disco)

    “⌘” is the Place Of Interest Sign

    Sheesh. It's just Apple who are misusing it, the Norwegian place is Doing It Right.

  • (disco)

    TR :wtf: is the atrocious formatting in the last one.

    :facepalm:

  • (disco) in reply to Zemm
    Zemm:
    Quality Assurance number 4 is like a poor-man's CAPCHTA, to make sure you are reading the questions and answering properly - not just pressing "C" for all answers.

    Nonsense: They're just looking for a good score.

    Consider the surveys given by our problem tracking software: If you answer anything but 5, 5, 5,... you'll get a call from the service technician asking why you gave them a bad score. So everyone goes 5, 5, 5, ... and all the service technicians look like the best ones this side of Arcturus.

    And that's not all: We have this employee survey which amounts to an organizational rating. If all of those scores aren't 5, 5, 5,... we get not so subtle hints that our scores should be better...

    Surveys become worthless when they're so controlled.

  • (disco) in reply to dkf
    [image] Gah, I'm too lazy to figure out what fonts I need to install for this.
  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    [image]

    no idea what font i have that you don't because i never installed any fonts on this machine.....

  • (disco)

    I thought we had already established that the source of that symbol on Macintosh keyboards wasn't a building in the Faroe Islands, it was a dictionary of international symbols which was sitting on Susan Kare's desk the day that Steve Jobs pitched a fit about over-using the Apple logo.

  • (disco) in reply to dkf

    DKF: Nobody said otherwise. Please re-read the text that accompanied the photo (emphasis is mine) :

    A recent Error'd had a photo showing the source of Apple's Command keys in the Faroe Islands,

    It is well documented that Susan Kare copied the "point of interest" symbol from a big book of international symbols when selecting a symbol for the command key. (Prior to that, they were using the Apple logo, as was used on the Apple II, but Steve Jobs didn't like the idea of Apple logos appearing all over the menus.)

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra

    Where's the "Dislike" button? Zuckerberg promised us... woopsie wrong forum

  • (disco) in reply to David_C

    Hold on, you're saying he didn't want Apple to be full of itself?


    Filed under: How ironic.

  • (disco)
    [image]

    Having the title truncated at just the right place: priceless

  • (disco) in reply to accalia

    A swedish road sign: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lokaliseringsm%C3%A4rken#/media/File:Sweden_road_sign_H22.svg

  • (disco) in reply to tdwtf
    tdwtf:
    A swedish road sign:

    oh i got what the symbol is.

    I just don't know what font it is in that it's displaying on my computer and mot on @LB_'s

    nto that i care much mind you, but still.

  • (disco) in reply to dkf

    Yep:

    [image]
    LB_:
    Gah, I'm too lazy to figure out what fonts I need to install for this.

    Ubuntu? DejaVu? FreeSans? Droid? Or is your OS so retarded it doesn't have any of those fonts?

  • (disco) in reply to tdwtf

    Not just there - it's also used in northern Germany.

  • (disco) in reply to Eldelshell
    Eldelshell:
    Ubuntu? DejaVu? FreeSans? Droid? Or is your OS so retarded it doesn't have any of those fonts?

    Chrome 46 on Windows 10 :\

  • (disco) in reply to zlogic
    zlogic:
    [image]

    Having the title truncated at just the right place: priceless

    Lengthy operation in progress:
    :fa_exclamation_circle: Quality Ass..

    [ Cancel ]

    [size=8]Goddamn "Posts can't be empty"[/size]

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    I'm seeing it in Firefox on Windows 7. The DOM inspector indicates that this text is specified to use Helvetica, Arial or sans-serif.

    Looking at the Character Map for U+2318 in these font families...

    • None of my Helvetica-family fonts (Helvetica, Helvetica CE 35 Thin, Helvetica CE 35 Roman, Helvetica Narrow, Helvetica Neue and Helvetica Neue Roman) have it.
    • The two Arial Unicode variants (Arial Unicode J and Arial Unicode MS) have it
    • The other Arial variants (Arial, Arial Black, Arial Narrow, Arial Rounded MT Bold) do not have it
    • My "sans-serif" font is configured for Verdana, which does not have it.

    I assume my browser (Firefox 41.0.2) discovered that none of the Helvetica fonts (the first font specified for the page) has U+2318, so it started searching for it in the second-choice font (Arial), found it in one of the two Unicode variants, and rendered the character with that.

    I don't know if Chrome does this kind of font substitution. If it does, have you configured it to use your own font choice (overriding what the page is requesting?) That would do it, if you haven't selected a Unicode font.

  • (disco) in reply to David_C
    David_C:
    if Chrome does this
    I would say probably not. Since it finds Helvetica, it just says, "Cool, I found the font they wanted, use it all the way!". I would bet that it doesn't do code-point checking in that manner at all...
  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra

    Another possibility could be a failure to auto-detect the correct encoding for the page.

    Firefox is rendering the page as Unicode. If I change the encoding to Western (my default 8-bit encoding), then U+2318 renders as a blank square.

    The page start off with <meta charset="utf-8">, which implies Unicode, and therefore that the page should be rendered with a Unicode font (or at least should be alert for any characters that require switching to a Unicode font.) There may be a bug in the version of Chrome he's running that causes it to mis-select the correct font under these circumstances.

  • (disco) in reply to David_C
    David_C:
    mis-select the correct font

    Precisely. It's set to UTF-8 (and I happen to have a font set installed specifically to deal with this exact issue) and I can see the glyph just fine. I suppose it just doesn't look too hard... [image]

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra

    If I turn on "Auto detect" it switches it to "Western (Windows-1252)", and I have to turn auto detect back off to select UTF8 again. Either way, I can't see the glyph.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    Weird, for sure.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    Yuck. Sounds like you're seeing two different bugs - one that it's not auto-detecting Unicode despite the fact that the page is tagged with UTF-8, and the other that it's not selecting a Unicode font when the encoding is Unicode.

    If you're running behind a proxy, then it may be playing some games with the HTML content, but other than that, I'd say it looks like a browser bug.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    You can install the fonts @PJH lists here and then use a CSS extension like Stylebot to apply the third CSS block in this post by @abarker.

    This allows Chrome to render most Unicode characters correctly.

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra
    Tsaukpaetra:
    For quality assurance purposes, please find the grey Heart ( :heart: ) icon near this text, and use the primary mouse button to interact with it.

    I was so pleased that I did it twice!

  • (disco) in reply to abarker

    Inconceivable! You can only click the Grey heart once!


    Filed under: Instant zero 💔: failed to follow QA standard testing appropriately

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra

    Well, I did get an error.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    If I turn on "Auto detect" it switches it to "Western (Windows-1252)", and I have to turn auto detect back off to select UTF8 again. Either way, I can't see the glyph.

    WTF? Do you see this?

    “⌘” is the Place Of Interest Sign

    That is what it should look like if it is UTF-8 bytes (mis)interpreted as Windows 1252.

  • (disco) in reply to Zemm

    No, it's still a single character with the missing glyph icon. No idea why Chrome claimed to be using that encoding.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    Then there must be something external screwing around with your incoming data stream! If it really was UTF-8 coming into your browser setting the encoding to Windows-1252 should show mojibake and not just a single glyph.

  • (disco) in reply to Zemm
    Zemm:
    “⌘â€

    How the fuck do you get that from U+002318? It has a three-byte encoding in UTF-8, not a six-byte one. I'm guessing that something has really screwed things up, and it's likely to be the source of more trouble for you in the future…

  • (disco) in reply to dkf

    Because it was surrounded by “smart quotes”

  • (disco)

    Hasn't the first one discussed a million times already. It's basically a captcha to weed out dishonest and stupid survey takers.

    http://thedailywtf.com/images/15/q3/e185/Pic-1.jpg

    I'm pretty sure I had fantasies about getting laid long before I had a job.

  • (disco) in reply to aliceif
    aliceif:
    Not just there - it's also used in northern Germany.

    Throughout Baltics and Scandinavia too for tourist attractions and places of cultural interest.

  • (disco) in reply to David_C
    David_C:
    I'm seeing it in Firefox on Windows 7. The DOM inspector indicates that this text is specified to use Helvetica, Arial or sans-serif.
    I'm not sure which DOM Inspector you're using, but the one I use indicates that it's actually using Arial Bold and Segoe UI Symbol. (A quick test verifies that the Segoe UI Symbol font is only being used for the place of interest sign.)
  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra
    Tsaukpaetra:
    Hold on, you're saying he didn't want Apple to be full of itself?

    All he might have implied is that Apple didn't want to seem totally full of itself.

    The Windows guys never seem to have had such problems.

  • (disco) in reply to urkerab
    urkerab:
    I'm not sure which DOM Inspector you're using, but the one I use indicates that it's actually using Arial Bold and Segoe UI Symbol. (A quick test verifies that the Segoe UI Symbol font is only being used for the place of interest sign.)

    I'm using the Page inspector from Firefox 42. When I select the place-of-interest symbol, right-click and choose "inspect element", here's what I see:

    inline element { }

    desktop_13cfff898f303e461c...e88fde767b864b0b46.css:4 .cooked > :first-child { margin-top: 0px; }

    desktop_13cfff898f303e461c...e88fde767b864b0b46.css:4 .cooked h1, .wmd-preview h1 { line-height: 1em; }

    desktop_13cfff898f303e461c...e88fde767b864b0b46.css:4 .cooked h1, .cooked h2, .cooked h3, .cooked h4, .cooked h5, .cooked h6, .wmd-preview h1, .wmd-preview h2, .wmd-preview h3, .wmd-preview h4, .wmd-preview h5, .wmd-preview h6 {     margin: 30px 0px 10px;         margin-top: 30px;         margin-right: 0px;         margin-bottom: 10px;         margin-left: 0px; }

    desktop_13cfff898f303e461c...e88fde767b864b0b46.css:7 body h1, body h2, body h3, body h4, body h5, body h6 {     margin: 0px; }

    desktop_13cfff898f303e461c...e88fde767b864b0b46.css:1 h1 {     font-size: 2em;     margin: 0.67em 0px; }

    Inherited from div desktop_13cfff898f303e461c...e88fde767b864b0b46.css:4 .cooked, .wmd-preview {     word-wrap: break-word; }

    Inherited from html desktop_13cfff898f303e461c...e88fde767b864b0b46.css:4 html {     color: #222;     font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;     font-size: 14px;     line-height: 19px;     direction: ltr; }

    desktop_13cfff898f303e461c...e88fde767b864b0b46.css:1 html {     font-family: sans-serif; }

    I've emboldened the lines referring to fonts. Strikethrough text is for styles overridden by later styles (as indicated by the DOM inspector).

    Please note that there is no mention of Segoe anywhere in here. If that's what you're seeing, it's because your browser substituted it, maybe due to your own local configuration or CSS. It's not part of the CSS coming from the TDWTF server.

    Followup Using the other DOM inspector (the DOM-inspector add-on), I see the same thing - that Arial Bold and Segoe UI Symbol are used. I assume that is what Firefox is actually rendering, but it is not what the page's CSS is requesting.

    As I surmised previously, Firefox is seeing a glyph that doesn't exist in the font that would normally be used and is substituting a different font in order to render it.

    Obviously, some other browsers (like Chrome, it would appear) are not doing this.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    Rendered Fonts Arimo—32 glyphs Noto Sans CJK JP Regular—1 glyph

  • (disco) in reply to David_C
    David_C:
    Firefox 42

    I found your problem.

    ben_lubar:
    Rendered Fonts Arimo—32 glyphs Noto Sans CJK JP Regular—1 glyph
    Ben, you're ... different — "different" different.
  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    ben_lubar:
    Rendered Fonts Arimo—32 glyphs Noto Sans CJK JP Regular—1 glyph
    Ben, you're ... different — "different" different.

    I know.

    Sent from my Samsung dhromebook

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    David_C:
    Firefox 42

    I found your problem.

    Oops. That's what I get for typing from memory instead of double-checking. I'm running 41.0.2, not 42.
  • (disco) in reply to David_C
    David_C:
    HardwareGeek:
    David_C:
    Firefox 42

    I found your problem.

    Oops. That's what I get for typing from memory instead of double-checking. I'm running 41.0.2, not 42.

    Whew! For a moment I feared the Firefox version with the ultimate answer number wasn't bugfree!

  • (disco) in reply to Zemm
    Zemm:
    Quality Assurance number 4 is like a poor-man's CAPCHTA, to make sure you are reading the questions and answering properly - not just pressing "C" for all answers.

    Yeah, the user thinks he's doing something to assure the quality of the survey. But in Soviet Survey, quality assures you! Or something.

  • (disco) in reply to Zemm
    Zemm:
    Quality Assurance number 4 is like a poor-man's CAPCHTA, to make sure you are reading the questions and answering properly - not just pressing "C" for all answers
    Yeah, I get questions like this all the time in surveys.

    Typically, there's a long list (sometimes pushing 100) of phrases that you're expected to evaluate by selecting a value in some range (typically 5 values, but I've seen surveys with 3 and some with as many as 10) whose meaning ranges from "completely agree" to "completely disagree",

    They're worried that some people will balk at pages of questions like this (let's face it - these kinds of surveys really suck), and will just fill in the same value all the way down the form in order to enable the "next" button and move on to the next page.

    I've been there myself. Many times, they're asking a battery of questions about a product that I know nothing about, or don't care about. So I'm selecting the middle value (usually something like "neither agree nor disagree") for everything on the form. But even on big forms like this, there are sometimes individual lines where I have an actual opinion. They want to make sure I don't gloss over the page and miss those lines.

    They do this by slipping in a few lines like "for quality assurance, always select 5". It is (sort of) assuring the quality of the survey. If you answer something other than 5, they assume you aren't actually reading the questions and (I assume) discard your survey.

  • (disco) in reply to PWolff
    PWolff:
    David_C:
    HardwareGeek:
    David_C:
    Firefox 42

    I found your problem.

    Oops. That's what I get for typing from memory instead of double-checking. I'm running 41.0.2, not 42.

    Whew! For a moment I feared the Firefox version with the ultimate answer number wasn't bugfree!

    Actually, my intended implication was that the problem is using Firefox; the version number wasn't really relevant other than, perhaps, ridiculing the superultrahyperinflation.

    Filed under: Coming soon: Firefox 142

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