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Let the chaos ensue :popcorn:
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And then there are the real addresses, which are more variable than that.
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U and non-U was about the English class system. The point was that to be U (i.e. upper class) you needed to have either a country estate or a house in a town, not a flat, and if you lived in the country then if you had a cottage in a village, meaning a 2-line town address, you would be non-U.
In fact the author, Nancy Mitford, belonged to a very eccentric family and her ideas of U and non-U were basically what her parents thought. And U addresses nowadays are often occupied by Chinese and Russian "businessmen" who don't like being asked where their money came from.
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That's a foul aspersion! There's also plenty of people from the Middle East who are relatively open about where their money came from, but less keen on saying where it is going to…
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Oh, hai:
https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/combining-excercise-with-dicsource-pics-makes-for-a-wonderful-passtime/2063/48?u=pjh
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So in Czechia we have two numbers for most houses. The red number, that is unique in cadastral area (which generally corresponds to village or city quarter) and assigned in order the houses were built and the blue number that is unique to the street and grows monotonically in one direction, even at one side, odd at the other, with occasional lettered exception, usually for houses with multiple entrances. Every house has the red one (assigned by the cadastre when making the entry), but the blue one depends on the street being named and in villages they often are not and in cities it often takes time for new street to get a name too.
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Order of starting or order of finishing?
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Order of inserting in the cadastre, so not either really.
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Up till now I have never actually seen the word "cadastral" in print outside dictionaries. It is never too late to find out something new. Parochialism, I guess. In the UK we have the rather self-evidently named Land Registry, and that's what people call it.
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I think the phrase you are looking for is "That's a foul accuracy."
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I know that my vocabulary is a bit
peculiarextraordinary, but all I looked up the word cadastre for was to verify that it was really written with "d" in English. The German equivalent is "Kataster", and there are two German expressions for it - "Liegenschaftsregister" (with "Liegenschaft" being a formal word for a piece of land owned by someone) and "Grundbuch" ("ground"/"land" and "book"). The one I found by looking up in an online dictionary was "Grundbuch", of course.Filed under: I know something is wrong with me, but I don't know what it is
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In Czech the equivalent word is “katastr” (so also with ‘t’) and it is both in the official name of the office (full name is “Český úřad zeměměřičský a katastrální” = “Czech geodetic and cadastral office”), the official name of the registry and how everybody calls it, so this was the most logical translation.
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Yeah, but it's hardly ever used. And yes, land ownership in the UK is an utter mess.
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Those will be hell to write, or read, or remember... not to mention they'll be subject to all the usual horrors of floating-point numbers. You'll have to do GPS distance calculations to even figure out which property someone's referring to, since the coordinates they give you probably won't exactly match the coordinates you had registered in your database.
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Precisely! More jobs for us.
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My house has a number and a name. Most databases have it by the number but occasionally, like when I asked the council for a replacement bin, it can't be found and they need the name.
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We could use a name system sort of like DNS which would map a human-readable name to GPS coordinates. Something like obeselymorbid.city.country. When you move you can take your address with you, just update the coordinates.
For backwards compatibility you could maintain 123.Main_Rd.city.country as well, of course.
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That wouldn't solve all of the potential issues... IP addresses are discrete, a well-defined, finite, countable set; existing house addresses are also discrete (typically integers; granted some countries don't seem to know how to do this correctly); the number of GPS coordinates you could use are literally infinite (not practically though), depending on the precise location you poked and the precision you express that in.
For example, with the existing addressing system, if I asked "how many postal addresses are there between 1 N Main St and 100 N Main St, inclusive", you could at least give me an upper bound with reasonably good confidence (and much of the time, it would be fairly close to the actual value as well).
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You are trying to count the wrong thing. I am not trying to propose a system that could give a name to any possible GPS location. Any person (or entity e.g. business) (a finite set) could reasonably only have a finite set of named locations they care about.
My first post wasn't at all serious but now that I think about it, it actually would make sense not in replacing the existing system, but complementing it.
Imagine I order a pizza or invite you to visit me and need to give directions. Of course my house has an official address but in the case I live on some silly street like the examples upthread, the person trying to find the house might have a bad time. I'd much rather be given coordinates than a thorough directions (turn left after the big tree etc.) if I need to drive to some wonky place that doesn't have a normal address or that my navigation doesn't recognise. Coordinates have their disadvantages though as you stated previously, but if I could just send you a come.here.this.is.my.address name that your navigation could look up and translate to coordinates, I imagine this would work well even over voice communication. If you ever tried to tell coordinates over phone, you'll likely be able to see the benefits of this approach.
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In addition / agreement: Whilst you can currently type a Lat & Long position into most (I assume) sat navs, it would be easier to type and / or remember the domicile name. Hey...yeah... wait... that is just like how browsers work :)
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Yeah, I stopped typing in IPv6 addresses microseconds after I learned that I could.
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Like... an address? Because most navigations worth their salt can look that up and determine the directions.
Or something like DNS for addresses -
obeselymorbid.wąchock.polandresolves to wherever in Wąchock you now live, and you update some sort of DNS record when you move? Seems like more hassle than it's worth, though...Admin
The thing that led to this discussion was addresses that aren't easily searchable by navigation. One example: we have a street, which goes through being Independence Boulevard (downtown), Independence Street (the biggest section), Independence Avenue (suburbs) and Independence Way. House numbers are thankfully incremented sequentially along the street. Now with online navigation (e.g. Google, Waze) you can just enter Independence 250 and it will likely work just fine. But there used to be a time when you had to select the correct street name before entering house number, so you had to know which portion of the street your house number was on. If you selected say Independence Avenue and tried to look for number 250 it would respond with HOUSE_NOT_FOUND, because Independence Avenue runs from 320 to 568 on the even side and 217 to 535 on the odd side.
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Now I realize that shouldn't really have country or even city part to be portable when you move.
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Lots of streets do that. A navigation system that won't try searching for the address with other street suffixes (St, Ave, Ln, Rd, etc) if it can't be found as specified doesn't deserve to be included in this discussion.
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I've just checked with iGO and if you search for <street name, no suffix, number> it mostly works fine. If you try to go through selecting the town, street, house number (arguably easier way), you have to select one of the suffixes because it considers those different streets each with a distinct house number range.
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I really don't like the backward-style entry. It's a damn GPS, it has my current location, and putting the address in order from most-precise to least-precise makes sense... the least-precise information in the address is likely to have the most similarity to that of my current location, so start guessing what I'm entering based on what's nearby and give me suggestions. When it asks for the least-precise information first, it's guaranteeing that I'll have to enter the whole address because I'll definitely still have to give it the house number and that's the last thing it asks me to enter.
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That's why country and town are usually pre-filled with the current location.
It has option to strret and/or house number and go for city (or street) center. It's useful e.g. during road trips when I know the town I want to travel to next, but not the particular location.
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Still, that's just a lot of extra steps to validate information that it should probably be able to infer.
Basically, I feel like Google Maps came along and did it right. Now everybody else is getting compared to that unless someone figures out an even better way.
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There are no steps unless you need to change country or town, otherwise you just leave those fields alone.
Agree in general. I have to use offline navigation for trips abroad though because roaming charges are outrageous and with country sizes in Europe going pretty much in any direction more than 200 km you're going to find yourself in the next country.
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A lot of the addresses I'm using to navigate are in nearby cities. I'd like to be able to see potential matching addresses in those nearby cities as soon as I enter the number and street.
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My standalone unit will prefill the last address I put in. If I'm going to Independence, OH, instead of Cleveland, OH, I have to start over. But it starts with city, so I start typing "Inde" and wait for it to filter. I then have to scroll down on a display that shows about four lines at a time through all 16 cities named Independence to find the right one.
On the bright side, it doesn't drain my phone battery, so I use it for long trips.
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Weird name.
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You do know, car chargers for phones exist, right?
ETA: You missed one of the Independances.
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If my phone is plugged into the aux cable and the power cable, it creates a circuit that adds line noise to the speakers. So it's not ideal for trips.
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There's your problem.
Wait, are you using car speakers for navigation audio? If so, then that's pretty cool. If, as I suspect to be a more likely scenario, you use it for music, there are better ways.
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Yeah, generally. Makes it easier to hear when my passengers are chit-chatting, which is often on long trips :)
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No bluetooth connect in your car?
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Was it an automatic or manual gearbox, and did it use "flappy paddles"?
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In a Kia from 2009? Nah, I'm lucky I have an aux port :)
I promised myself when I pay off the car, I'll upgrade to a better stereo with bluetooth integration.
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For the record, it was a Renault Captur. Which I hated. Although it had cruise control, which I liked.
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I thought you were a free spirit and did not need control whilst cruising, or am I thinking of somebody else?
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Not that sort of cruising! :rolleyes:
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More trouble than they're already going through behind the scenes, just to get the wrong fucking data?
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I'm going to jump in here months later to tell you that it sounds like you have a ground loop. Your phone is likely grounded improperly.
One of these might help:
http://www.jaycar.com.au/Sight-%26-Sound-Car/Car-Audio-Hardware/Car-Hardware-Accessories/Ground-Loop-Noise-Isolator-%28Stereo%29-3-5mm/p/AA3086
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...So that car was totaled about a month ago and I now have a bluetooth stereo in my Prius.
But uh... thanks?