• Brian Boorman (unregistered)

    That last one is for screen readers for visually disabled people.

  • Donald Klopper (google)

    In all fairness, help text on images is very useful for accessibility. Just saying. Screen-reader software can then read stuff out loud that people can't see or read themselves. Few sites or apps do it justice, and I'm inclined to give kudo's to the crowd that have it as part of their design standard.

  • Allie C (unregistered)

    The last one is making a great effort at accessibility. (Unlike JIRA - I recently learned that their issue editor interface is not compatible with screen readers).

  • (nodebb)

    About the mouseover. There are accessibility guidelines for this: https://wcag.com/authors/1-1-1-non-text-content/

  • (nodebb) in reply to Allie C

    The last one is making a great effort at accessibility.

    Perhaps. It's just a shame that it fails utterly at providing actual useful information.

  • (nodebb) in reply to Donald Klopper

    I may be showing off how clueless I am about both accessibility and front-end design, and certainly I am clueless in both spaces. But (A) isn't alt text, rather than title, the important attribute for accessibility, and haven't browsers generally stopped displaying alt text as a tooltip? And (B) the image isn't there just to be a picture of a minus icon. It's an active user interface element. Shouldn't its accessibility text describe its actual purpose, e.g. "collapse section button"?

  • Robin (unregistered)

    Helpful alt text for images, or text alternatives in other contexts (like an aria label on an icon only button) are indeed a godsend for screenreader users.

    But even if we put aside that the text isn't actually very use here, this seems like someone thinking they have to "do accessibility" while actually not having a clue. Tooltips that you have to hover over are already completely inaccessible to screenreader users (and keyboard users too, without extra effort), so this won't help.

  • Jonathan (unregistered)

    Did nobody else think "Shouldn't that be 'mouseoverer'?"?

  • Barry Margolin (github)

    At least all the (PERCENT) add up to 100.

  • Syntactical Grammarer (unregistered)

    Is it really "diligent mouserover Rick P." or should it be "diligent mouseroverer Rick P."? Now I have this to ponder all day....

  • (nodebb) in reply to Barry Margolin

    And at least the alleged winner was actually ahead. Dewey has entered the chat

  • (nodebb)

    I wouldn't call the last one a WTF. It's the alternate text (which exists for good reason) that somehow ended up as a tooltip, probably because of something automated that had no mouseover text and thus used the alternate text.

  • Ann on a Mouse (unregistered)

    IIRC, a page identifying itself as html 4 does not pass the official W3C (or whatever they’re calling themselves now) validator unless every image has alt text.

  • TS (unregistered) in reply to Ann on a Mouse

    But decorative or layout images should have empty alt text. Alt text should describe the content of the image. and this one is content-free. The last one is definitely a WTF.

  • jd (unregistered) in reply to Syntactical Grammarer

    none of the above.

    he is a presumably wild rover, and a mouseover-er.

    thus, the totally correct total title must simply be: "raving mad mouseovererroverer".

    Or have I put one, er, "er" too many? Maybe I'm a mouseovererroveroverachiever.

  • (nodebb) in reply to Eric Ray

    As a practitioner of UX in general and accessibility in particular, I'll note that this is absolutely correct. The point of alternative text is to be a text alternative for a graphical element, so it needs to serve the same functional purpose.

  • (nodebb)

    If you specify NO_PICKLES and EXTRA_PICKLES at the same time, you get 2÷0 pickles.

  • Erkie (unregistered) in reply to Allie C

    Not sure if it's great effort, since it ignores the meaning of the sign. I think something like 'bullet point' would be better here. But it's effort nonetheless and as such much appreciated.

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