• (cs) in reply to Resa
    Resa:
    I'm the second of three generations of female programmers, and since my Mom started when there were almost NO women in development, I probably know as much about this as anyone.

    Fact 1) The real reason that there are very few female programmers is due to the high number of testosterone loaded jerks in IT departments.

    Fact 2) The inept number of men in development who are a total waste of space out number useless female developers 10 to 1.

    (Sorry to Seejay for cutting out the rest. It's available above.)

    (1) Sorry, I think you're wrong. You might be right, but I have another theory. (2) The number of men in development, at least in my experience (and we'd have to define what development means, let alone in relation to men in IT, at least as judged by their "performance" on this site), outnumbers the number of women in development by about 10 to 1. It's a wash. I think I've said this before, except the other way around.

    I think what you may be missing here, and it doesn't directly affect me because I can prance around all day on my high heels but I'm still male, is the malevolent effect of the female manager.

    I do not have a problem with a female manager. In fact, well over 50% (anecdotal) of my best and favourite managers have been female.

    I have noticed, however, that there is a tendency towards a "cat fight" when a female manager runs a project with female developers (sysadmins, whatever). My vague theory here is that the female manager is insecure and doesn't like competition. After all, (she thinks,) I've beaten the 10-1 odds so far. Why would I risk letting this jumped-up tramp getting a lead on me?

    Look, I know it's ludicrous. I think it's ludicrous. But I've seen it at least twice, and it's worth thinking about.

  • (cs) in reply to real_aardvark
    real_aardvark:
    Six foot six, bald, male, and English, Fred.

    But I do look good in high heels.

    At six foot six, you should be bulked up on steroids and earning gigabucks in the WWF, not slinging code. Those guys wear high heels on their boots; you'd probably fit right in.

  • Lady Ada (unregistered) in reply to Resa
    Resa:
    I'm the second of three generations of female programmers, and since my Mom started when there were almost NO women in development, I probably know as much about this as anyone.

    Wow. What programming language was named after your Mom?

  • Ben S (unregistered)

    Oh shit no wonder Im unemployed... i actually know what im doing.

    :(

  • (cs) in reply to Nelle
    real_aardvark:
    I have noticed, however, that there is a tendency towards a "cat fight" when a female manager runs a project with female developers (sysadmins, whatever). My vague theory here is that the female manager is insecure and doesn't like competition. After all, (she thinks,) I've beaten the 10-1 odds so far. Why would I risk letting this jumped-up tramp getting a lead on me?

    Look, I know it's ludicrous. I think it's ludicrous. But I've seen it at least twice, and it's worth thinking about.

    Oh, that happens all the time with both sexes, it's just hypercompetitiveness. Different people will have different irrational paranoia targets, it's usually the ones that are most similar to them.

    Nelle:
    Can you at least try to list some of the "personality attributes" needed for a productive programmer ?
    (Not the replied-to poster.) Mild OCD and Autism seem to help, most of the traditional 'good engineer' traits can stem from them. Ranging from very mild all the way down to genuinely autistic curmudgeons, of those I've known. Mental illness and the ability to manipulate numbers and patterns are somehow related, though if they take over productivity's out, of course. Men do have a higher incidence of full-blown autism than women, roughly double, but I don't know of any studies on high-functioning or suppressed autism.

    Haha, the blatant sexism that anonymity grants in this thread is pretty hilarious. I wonder how many people seethe with envy and jealousy over a woman getting favors, not realizing it's the new guy choking on the cock.

  • Nex (unregistered) in reply to GrandmasterB

    Least imaginative Troll all day.

    GrandmasterB:
    Women shouldnt be programmers. The personality attributes needed to be a productive programmer are just not those typically found in women. Sorry, its the truth. There may be a small number who buck the trend here in there, but in general chicks cant code.

    Mind you, I'm not saying all male programmers are good - most of them are clueless too. Women are just more likely to be clueless when it comes to programming. They make damn fine web designers though. Much better sense of color than most men, who are functionally color blind.

  • Ben S (unregistered) in reply to Calli Arcale

    Finally a sensible comment from a female here... not to be sexist its just that it seems like the pot has been stirred and a few ladies here have taken offense.

    Im sorry to say there is a difference between males and females and it is evident in programming... but to avoid angering anyone of the feminine variety let me start by first stating females good attributes.

    Females have more than one thought process, its believed the average is three. Men cant comprehend this but basically they have 3 voices in their head talking all at once about 3 different things, instead of one like us. Women make better managers due to their stress coping mechanism... they deal better with stress and can accept more than one input to quickly come up with a middle ground. Women have more neural connections between the hemispheres and in fact process communication in many parts of the brain.

    now.. Men are beings of logic, with our single thought process we can concentrate to a degree most women will never understand. When we concentrate there is truly only ONE thing on our mind which gives us the ability to truly break down and analyse a problem, part by part. While women were developing social skills to raise children and essentially communicate amongst households (and later communicate the news to their partners) men were out tracking things and hunting them.. The advanced spacial skills these days play a different role in allowing a man to visualise a system, even a conceptual system such as a computer database in their mind better than a female.

    Yes there are differences between men and women, yes, men are going to be more predisposed to programming than women. Yes a woman who so desires could learn to code Im quite sure. She may have to try harder though...

    Dont be hurt by this, humanity works a lot better when men and women stop competing... instead we should appreciate each others strengths and weaknesses and seek to utilise them in the most beneficial way.

  • Black Bat (unregistered)

    Just a guess: She was lesbian afro-american, so it was impossible to fire her, no matter how stupid she is...

  • (cs) in reply to KattMan
    KattMan:
    BrownHornet:
    Did you know that there's a direct correlation between the decline of Spirograph and the rise in gang activity? Think about it.

    The rise in gang activity also has a direct effect on the advancement of technology. All we need is a few more violent gangs and we will master faster than light travel.

    Well, the only way to get that done is to totally kill off the Spirograph.

  • (cs) in reply to Random832
    Random832:
    KattMan:
    BrownHornet:
    Did you know that there's a direct correlation between the decline of Spirograph and the rise in gang activity? Think about it.

    The rise in gang activity also has a direct effect on the advancement of technology. All we need is a few more violent gangs and we will master faster than light travel.

    Well, the only way to get that done is to totally kill off the Spirograph.

    But if we try to do that we will invariably have a violent gang born that will create all of its tags using a spirograph.

  • (cs) in reply to Black Bat
    Black Bat:
    Just a guess: She was lesbian afro-american, so it was impossible to fire her, no matter how stupid she is...

    You forgot to add disabled.

  • (cs) in reply to KattMan
    KattMan:
    Black Bat:
    Just a guess: She was lesbian afro-american, so it was impossible to fire her, no matter how stupid she is...

    You forgot to add disabled.

    Actually, the first two are enough. I would react to that post with irritation and disgust at the stereotyping if I didn't know better from personal experience. Wrong gender, but... here's the story.

    When I first started that job I was on the evening shift (5:00 PM - 2:00 AM). It was hourly pay rather than salaried, and there was a punch clock for keeping your time. The shift manager was a gay black male. Outgoing, almost overbearing personality, extreme self-confidence, and blatant flaunting of his sexual orientation. For example, at 7:30 PM we all took a break (smoke break for him and a few others) and went outside, where we stood around for 15 minutes or so and chatted. Invariably he would monopolize the conversation with tales of his exploits at local gay bars or how he had seduced his latest supposedly hetero male target.

    At about 9:00 PM each day he would leave to deliver outgoing packages to the post office. At least once a week, usually more often, he would go from the post office to a bar or club, where he would stay until closing time at 2:00 AM. Then, after all of the crew had punched out and gone home, he would come back to work and punch out.

    This went on for months, and then one day he wasn't there any more. Nobody officially explained to us what happened, but word came through the grapevine that he had been caught riding the clock and had been fired.

    Three weeks went by, and then one day he was back. Again, no explanation was offered, but we learned that after consulting with his attorney and theirs they had decided it was more prudent to reinstate him than to go to court over it.

  • (cs) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    Three weeks went by, and then one day he was back. Again, no explanation was offered, but we learned that after consulting with his attorney and theirs they had decided it was more prudent to reinstate him than to go to court over it.

    This is where companies just need to grow a big pair of bullocks. He was riding the clock, they should have that documented. That was the reason given for firing. They should not have had an issue with a court case.

    Personally I don't care if you want to dye your hair green and hang from the ceiling during lunch. If you get the job done right and within deadline I keep you, otherwise I toss your butt out.

    A case like this should have been decided fairly quickly. A simple presentation of documentation and the case would be over.

  • (cs) in reply to KattMan
    KattMan:
    A case like this should have been decided fairly quickly. A simple presentation of documentation and the case would be over.
    In a just world, that would be true. But his attorneys were going to present it as a case of discrimination based on race and sexual preference. This is unsubstantiated rumor mill fodder, of course, but we heard that they were planning to bring in the NAACP. Whether or not the company was in the right, and whether or not they could document that fact, it was going to turn costly and ugly before it was over.

    I guess it was a "bottom line" decision rather than a moral one.

  • (cs) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    KattMan:
    A case like this should have been decided fairly quickly. A simple presentation of documentation and the case would be over.
    In a just world, that would be true. But his attorneys were going to present it as a case of discrimination based on race and sexual preference. This is unsubstantiated rumor mill fodder, of course, but we heard that they were planning to bring in the NAACP. Whether or not the company was in the right, and whether or not they could document that fact, it was going to turn costly and ugly before it was over.

    I guess it was a "bottom line" decision rather than a moral one.

    And they lost. Now no matter who you are, you are allowed to ride the clock as much as you want. Because if they now fire the heterosexual white male it is still a sexual preference/race issue. The whole company was just given carte blanch to rip the company off.

    And as I said before, it doesn't matter how they were going to present it, if the company had the documentation to prove that he simply left for half the day and rode the clock, the company would win hands down.

  • (cs) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    Actually, the first two are enough. I would react to that post with irritation and disgust at the stereotyping if I didn't know better from personal experience. Wrong gender, but... here's the story.

    When I first started that job I was on the evening shift (5:00 PM - 2:00 AM). It was hourly pay rather than salaried, and there was a punch clock for keeping your time. The shift manager was a gay black male. Outgoing, almost overbearing personality, extreme self-confidence, and blatant flaunting of his sexual orientation. For example, at 7:30 PM we all took a break (smoke break for him and a few others) and went outside, where we stood around for 15 minutes or so and chatted. Invariably he would monopolize the conversation with tales of his exploits at local gay bars or how he had seduced his latest supposedly hetero male target.

    At about 9:00 PM each day he would leave to deliver outgoing packages to the post office. At least once a week, usually more often, he would go from the post office to a bar or club, where he would stay until closing time at 2:00 AM. Then, after all of the crew had punched out and gone home, he would come back to work and punch out.

    This went on for months, and then one day he wasn't there any more. Nobody officially explained to us what happened, but word came through the grapevine that he had been caught riding the clock and had been fired.

    Three weeks went by, and then one day he was back. Again, no explanation was offered, but we learned that after consulting with his attorney and theirs they had decided it was more prudent to reinstate him than to go to court over it.

    The correct passive-aggressive reaction would be to punch him out a few minutes after he first arrives, punch him back in right before he leaves at nine. Then, after he leaves, punch him back out, and punch him back in before he comes back to punch out. Continue until the company has recouped (in his unpaid hours) the total amount of time that he rode the clock, or until he quits.

  • (cs) in reply to Random832
    Random832:
    The correct passive-aggressive reaction would be to punch him out a few minutes after he first arrives, punch him back in right before he leaves at nine. Then, after he leaves, punch him back out, and punch him back in before he comes back to punch out. Continue until the company has recouped (in his unpaid hours) the total amount of time that he rode the clock, or until he quits.

    People like this I would love to just take the aggressive action and simply punch him out; of course then I become the bad guy, but imagine the satisfaction as I'm lead to the door. I'll just have to enjoy my active imagination.

  • Jack (unregistered) in reply to real_aardvark
    real_aardvark:
    (1) Sorry, I think you're wrong. You might be right, but I have another theory. (2) The number of men in development, at least in my experience (and we'd have to define what development means, let alone in relation to men in IT, at least as judged by their "performance" on this site), outnumbers the number of women in development by about 10 to 1. It's a wash. I think I've said this before, except the other way around.

    I think what you may be missing here, and it doesn't directly affect me because I can prance around all day on my high heels but I'm still male, is the malevolent effect of the female manager.

    I do not have a problem with a female manager. In fact, well over 50% (anecdotal) of my best and favourite managers have been female.

    I have noticed, however, that there is a tendency towards a "cat fight" when a female manager runs a project with female developers (sysadmins, whatever). My vague theory here is that the female manager is insecure and doesn't like competition. After all, (she thinks,) I've beaten the 10-1 odds so far. Why would I risk letting this jumped-up tramp getting a lead on me?

    Look, I know it's ludicrous. I think it's ludicrous. But I've seen it at least twice, and it's worth thinking about.

    In the animal world, males typically develop ways of resolving contests with a minimum of injury and form a hierarchy (pack species).

  • (cs) in reply to Ben S
    Ben S:
    Finally a sensible comment from a female here... not to be sexist its just that it seems like the pot has been stirred and a few ladies here have taken offense.

    Im sorry to say there is a difference between males and females and it is evident in programming... but to avoid angering anyone of the feminine variety let me start by first stating females good attributes.

    Females have more than one thought process, its believed the average is three. Men cant comprehend this but basically they have 3 voices in their head talking all at once about 3 different things, instead of one like us. Women make better managers due to their stress coping mechanism... they deal better with stress and can accept more than one input to quickly come up with a middle ground. Women have more neural connections between the hemispheres and in fact process communication in many parts of the brain.

    now.. Men are beings of logic, with our single thought process we can concentrate to a degree most women will never understand. When we concentrate there is truly only ONE thing on our mind which gives us the ability to truly break down and analyse a problem, part by part. While women were developing social skills to raise children and essentially communicate amongst households (and later communicate the news to their partners) men were out tracking things and hunting them.. The advanced spacial skills these days play a different role in allowing a man to visualise a system, even a conceptual system such as a computer database in their mind better than a female.

    Yes there are differences between men and women, yes, men are going to be more predisposed to programming than women. Yes a woman who so desires could learn to code Im quite sure. She may have to try harder though...

    Dont be hurt by this, humanity works a lot better when men and women stop competing... instead we should appreciate each others strengths and weaknesses and seek to utilise them in the most beneficial way.

    Nice of you to tip your hat to politesse and call the dear little things "ladies," but actually one or two gents were offended along the way as well.

    I note that "advanced spacial skills" do not necessarily correlate to "advanced spelling skills." But, to your main point.

    What, exactly, is your evidence for any of this?

    Me, I just think that men tend to be less sensitive to uninformed, ad hominem, criticism and can therefore cope with the pointless squabbles that disfigure this industry, this site, and, indeed, this posting.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to real_aardvark
    real_aardvark:
    What, exactly, is your evidence for any of this?
    It's widely known that women have more left-right brain connections than men and are better at multi-tasking, whilst men typically have a greater ability to compartmentalise tasks.

    As someone pointed out (can't seem to find the post), PC is dog vomit that adds a layer of false behaviour and mistrust to the situation that already exists.

  • Bill Gates (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    As someone pointed out (can't seem to find the post), PC is dog vomit that adds a layer of false behaviour and mistrust to the situation that already exists.

    That was Steve Jobs, spreading FUD. Don't believe him. PCs rule.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Bill Gates
    Bill Gates:
    Anonymous:
    As someone pointed out (can't seem to find the post), PC is dog vomit that adds a layer of false behaviour and mistrust to the situation that already exists.

    That was Steve Jobs, spreading FUD. Don't believe him. PCs rule.

    ROFL. Truth rules :-)

  • Cross-eyed Schoolmarm (unregistered) in reply to real_aardvark
    real_aardvark:
    I note that "advanced spacial skills" do not necessarily correlate to "advanced spelling skills."
    Tsk, tsk, someone didn't check their dictionary... "spacial" and "spatial" are both correct.
  • (cs) in reply to Resa
    anon:
    You know, I see a lot more MEN's names show up here, so I will assume that most inept programmers are men.

    Why is it always gotta go sexist when a woman's name is mentioned?

    Resa:
    Fact 1) The real reason that there are very few female programmers is due to the high number of testosterone loaded jerks in IT departments.

    Fact 2) The inept number of men in development who are a total waste of space out number useless female developers 10 to 1.

    Both of you have pointed out that there are more inept male programmers than female, and specifically so on here. So I will echo anon's question: why is it only when the featured fool is female that it suddenly becomes a gender issue--at least in the eyes of the ladies?

    I call on you to show a single instance of male ineptitude in which someone cried, "Foul! Gender prejudice!"

  • lidj geek (unregistered) in reply to Harrow

    hahahahaha! cruel. i like this one!

  • (cs) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    anon:
    You know, I see a lot more MEN's names show up here, so I will assume that most inept programmers are men.

    Why is it always gotta go sexist when a woman's name is mentioned?

    Resa:
    Fact 1) The real reason that there are very few female programmers is due to the high number of testosterone loaded jerks in IT departments.

    Fact 2) The inept number of men in development who are a total waste of space out number useless female developers 10 to 1.

    Both of you have pointed out that there are more inept male programmers than female, and specifically so on here. So I will echo anon's question: why is it only when the featured fool is female that it suddenly becomes a gender issue--at least in the eyes of the ladies?

    I call on you to show a single instance of male ineptitude in which someone cried, "Foul! Gender prejudice!"

    To be fair, the comments routinely take a turn in the direction of “sleeping with the boss” whenever the name is female.

  • (cs) in reply to Cross-eyed Schoolmarm
    Cross-eyed Schoolmarm:
    real_aardvark:
    I note that "advanced spacial skills" do not necessarily correlate to "advanced spelling skills."
    Tsk, tsk, someone didn't check their dictionary... "spacial" and "spatial" are both correct.
    You're absolutely correct. (Looks like one of those dopey Americanisms that creep into the language under the radar.) Chambers, and I refuse to use that on-line guff, defines "spacial" as "spatial." One then has to go to "spatial" in order to be referred back to "space." A little tiresome, really.
    Anonymous:
    real_aardvark:
    What, exactly, is your evidence for any of this?
    It's widely known that women have more left-right brain connections than men and are better at multi-tasking, whilst men typically have a greater ability to compartmentalise tasks.

    As someone pointed out (can't seem to find the post), PC is dog vomit that adds a layer of false behaviour and mistrust to the situation that already exists.

    OK, I accept the "widely known" pseudo-science that women have more left-right brain connections than men and are (therefore?) better at multitasking. Good of you to pick that out. You might next want to try explaining why a superior ability to multi-task is a handicap when juggling, on average, ten object definitions at a time whilst fending off customer requests, and dealing with a moron manager, makes you a gender-disabled bad excuse for a programmer. I guess men are just better at that sort of programming-related activity because, y'know, we're hard-wired to kill things.

    When I said "any of this," I was, I trust, clearly not referring to the differences between men and women. We can all agree that there are physical and hormonal differences. We can all agree that these differences have an effect in the environment of work.

    I was merely asking you to quote some sort of study, however banal or pretentious, that backed up the conclusions you draw on this basis. Because I think it's (well-intentioned, and well-expressed) sheer prejudice.

  • (cs) in reply to Random832
    Random832:
    To be fair, the comments routinely take a turn in the direction of “sleeping with the boss” whenever the name is female.
    That is a predominantly female behavior, isn't it? With males you expect schmoozing, cluelessness, arrogance, territorial behavior, bribery, nepotism, and drunk-and-disorderly-at-the-office-party, but not use of sex to get ahead.

    Addendum (2007-09-14 16:00):

    Random832:
    To be fair, the comments routinely take a turn in the direction of “sleeping with the boss” whenever the name is female.
    That is a predominantly female behavior, isn't it? With males you expect sexual harassment, schmoozing, cluelessness, arrogance, territorial behavior, bribery, nepotism, and drunk-and-disorderly-at-the-office-party, but not use of sex to get ahead.
  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to real_aardvark
    real_aardvark:
    I was merely asking you to quote some sort of study, however banal or pretentious, that backed up the conclusions you draw on this basis. Because I think it's (well-intentioned, and well-expressed) sheer prejudice.
    Although the request for a scientific study sounds logical, in the case of politically charged issues, it is more often than not a red herring, since finding a reliable source would likely require significant effort, and would probably be rejected in any case.

    Researchers that have the courage, integrity, and funding to investigate these questions (e.g. Charles Murray, The Bell Curve) are unjustly condemned by their overwhelmingly leftist colleagues and subjected to academic isolation. I refer you to your own comments about other posters for a sampling.

    One thing I learned from viewing the "Firing Line" debate series on television (William F. Buckley), where panels of well-prepared academics and politicians sat on opposite sides of the table, is that there was no search for objective truth. Those on one side of the table were just plain lying, and it was pretty much up to the viewer to use common sense and decide who was trustworthy.

    If I have leapt to incorrect conclusions due to not having the opportunity to discuss with you at length, my apologies for lumping you in with the PC crowd.

  • (cs) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    Although the request for a scientific study sounds logical, in the case of politically charged issues, it is more often than not a red herring, since finding a reliable source would likely require significant effort, and would probably be rejected in any case.

    Researchers that have the courage, integrity, and funding to investigate these questions (e.g. Charles Murray, The Bell Curve) are unjustly condemned by their overwhelmingly leftist colleagues <snip>

    Note that I've done you the courtesy of snipping you. Your mileage with the local veterinarian may vary.

    So, you have a problem with finding "a reliable source" because it would take "significant effort?" Move to management, is my advice. That way you can lie and cheat your way to success without any need to validate your worth.

    Significant effort?

    Does your day job involve insignificant effort? I would guess so.

    BTW, you (probably) never learn anything from watching "The Firing Line." You probably never learn anything from reading, for example, any satirist from Yale or Harvard or Oxford or the University of Boogaloo, Northern Territory, Oz.

    What you ought to learn is to think for yourself. (And, here's a big clue: there is no such thing as "common sense." There is merely judgement, well-informed or otherwise.)

    Throwing cretinous terms like "leftist" -- does that mean I approve of Stalin, Pol Pot, etc, or what? -- and "PC crowd" hardly helps your argument.

    Although, I agree, it does help to divert me from my original (and by now ancient) argument that women are, on an individual basis, given an unfair deal in this male-dominated business of ours.

    That's not PC. That's not "leftist." That's just reality, mate. And it's unfortunate and unfair and ludicrous. Perhaps we should each try to do something about it in the classic American individualist way, rather than throwing stupid Stalinist (did I say that?) labels like "leftist" -- I, by the way, am "lefter," but by no means "leftist", or even "Mingrelian" -- around.

    Oh well. I've said it before on this particular post, and I guess I can say it again. And I promise to try not to apply it to other postings.

    Dickhead.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to real_aardvark

    Zzzz....

  • Sabkor (unregistered) in reply to Harrow

    I did that, her boss said that she'd get her some training, then 6 months later, when pressed on the subject, her boss said that she felt that training was not needed, as it was difficult to find training on "exactly the way things we do around here". My response (sure, it was only in my head) was that that's because most schools teach the RIGHT way to do things.

  • Sabkor (unregistered) in reply to Tyler D

    That's the scariest reply I've seen here, honestly... She was pretty much old enough to be my mother.

  • ChiefCrazyTalk (unregistered) in reply to valerion
    valerion:
    I used to work at a place where the CEO basically hired girls based on their looks. Man I miss that place.

    These days there is one female developer where I work. Amusingly, she is the sister of our (ex) Technical Director. Sadly, she is a brilliant coder and could run rings around me (in Java, at least).

    Where I used to work, women were hired based on their looks, but for the opposite reason - only unattractive females were hired, to avoid distracting all the male programmers.

  • Mauricio (unregistered) in reply to Sweetness & Light

    Ow!! did you work with Paula too????

  • Mauricio (unregistered) in reply to Sweetness & Light
    Sweetness & Light:
    Now I know where Paula ended up.
    Ow!! did you work with Paula too????
  • E. (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    ...why is it only when the featured fool is female that it suddenly becomes a gender issue--at least in the eyes of the ladies?

    I call on you to show a single instance of male ineptitude in which someone cried, "Foul! Gender prejudice!"

    Oh, that's an easy one: It's because incompetent hack developers who happen to be male tend to get fired (or "retrenched" or "right-sized" or whatever), and even the typical woman can understand the fairness in that.

    IOW, it's an opportunistic expression of the mandatory double-standard maintained by female developers in an industry which, like any other in the U.S., gets positively horny over the idea of "diversity".

  • dan krüsi (unregistered)

    It's not Megan's fault that she studied at Tufts University, only ever programming with Lego ROBOLAB. -dan krüsi

  • Lawrence Summers (unregistered)

    On many college campuses, there's a solemn dirge sung softly over the decline of the humanities as multiculturalism and political correctness continue to poison the wellsprings of critical thinking.

  • Al (unregistered)

    Wow I think shes my boss!

  • David (unregistered) in reply to Tabigarasu

    Yeah cos we know that almost every chick is just shit at programming - mostly because guys (teachers, colleagues, mentors) who want to get into their pants help them get by but don't challenge them.

    (BTW - I have know two hot chicks who actually could code but it's soooooo damn rare. What's more the most clueless programmer I have ever known was a guy (Paul you useless fucker, french mustard isn't for men!) - I challenged both the girls and this looser, he just ran away into management).

  • Anon Y. Mouse (unregistered) in reply to Drum D.

    I'm sure you would never be forced to work with hopeless people in the field of archaeology.

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