• JoJo (unregistered) in reply to Al
    Al:
    TRWTF is posting the spoiler warning after the spoiler.

    My Big Fat Greek Wedding is ruined for me now...

    And we didn't even know you were engaged to a big fat Greek!

  • (cs) in reply to Ken B
    Ken B:
    Daid:
    This isn't uncommon, my mother got a temp job doing something like this. She had to type over one database into another. As they where both access databases I just asked her to bring them over, and I did her 8 week job in 5 minutes.
    So, did you defraud the company and still charge for 8 weeks of work, or did you cause your mother to lose 8 weeks of paid work?
    She spend a week correcting the errors (not because of the import but because of wrong data in the original) and then did 7 weeks of other less boring jobs there.
  • bigbird (unregistered) in reply to Franz Kafka
    Franz Kafka:
    webhamster:
    kastein:
    Bob:
    TRWTF: WTF does "Being pinged" mean?
    It is a technical term misused by retarded manager types these days. As a result, it is slowly morphing into an equivalent term for an instant message conversation and makes me want to smack everyone who misuses it.

    Not just IM. I hear it reference to meetings ("I'll ping him offline after the meeting."), phone calls ("I don't know, let me ping her and find out."), messages ("I pinged her but she hasn't called back.") and basically any other mode of communication. It's bloody irritating.

    Well, it sort of makes sense - ping is based on sonar, and refers to sending a pulse out to see what comes back. Map this into conversation and it's a reasonable thing to say.

    But my most recent boss was always promising to "ping it over" - meaning send an email, nothing to do with seeing what came back. It was bloody irritating, but he was always trying to "leverage synergies" too...

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to 01001001011101000010011101110011001000000110110101100101
    01001001011101000010011101110011001000000110110101100101:
    Yeah, except you're not Michelangelo, and you're not painting the Sistine Chapel, you're a two-bit code monkey hacking away at some dismal software project.... "it'll be done when it's done" is never acceptable....
    On the contrary, I tell this to my boss all the time and he wouldn't dare try to call me out on it - not ever. You make the mistake of thinking that ALL developers are "two-bit code monkeys", just because this is as far as you've gotten in your career. Keep at it and one day you might actually have some importance in your company, beyond being a wholly replaceable "code monkey".
  • (cs) in reply to halcyon1234
    halcyon1234:
    APAQ11:
    The best data insertion people don't know how to read. They just match the characters exactly and don't mess up words with how they 'sound'.

    Just before I went back to college, I took a job at a comapny through a temp agency. They also hired two data entry people to enter some stuff into Quicktax.

    Now, I don't know what transpired is because they only had one computer with Quicktax on it, or confusion on the part of the temps as to how two people do data entry... but I spend the next week sitting down the hall from... the workers.

    The temp agency delivered two Asian girls-- and they were exactly what that non-PC part of your brain conjures up when someone says "two Asian girls".

    I spent the next week sitting down the hall from The Girls. One of them sat at the computer. The other one sat by the print outs, reading out data. The first girl then typed in what was read aloud. Except, again I don't know if this is because the first girl couldn't type, or the second girl couldn't read, but they did this one character at a time.

    Each character read aloud. In a high pitched, making each letter and number sound like a question. Complete with the accent. Followed by a pause. Then a single click as the correct key was located. Then the scratch of a pen as the character was crossed off the spreadsheet. Repeat.

    "whaoooooOOOON" (1 is pressed) "aaaallLLLLLLL" (R is pressed)

    Given that half the company was Loas and extremely well spoken, I have no idea how this transpired. But it did, and I can only hope it was a social experiment, or some writers doing research for a Saturday Night Live skit.

    Beauty!

    I wonder how many mistakes there were due to inability to distinguish between R and L in speak...

  • titter.com (unregistered)

    Now I know how the Dharma project operated.

    beep beep 4 8 15 16 23 42 *bee-

    I wonder if they used Access. I mean, they had computers that were obviously made to look old (that or the people behind the series didn't know that old terminals won't let you type out the letters smoothly)

  • Peter (unregistered) in reply to jmzrbnsn
    jmzrbnsn:
    Code Dependent:
    The compiler wouldn't show you the typos?
    As the original poster said:
    The program had been developed by another government agency and due to inter-departmental rivalry, they would not supply us with the code in digital form, only a print-out of the source.
    So how does that stop you from retyping the code, and then putting it through a compiler?
  • ArbitraryAnomaly (unregistered) in reply to webhamster

    Is it time to discuss the abuse of "glitch" yet?

  • Pyroka (unregistered) in reply to silent d
    silent d:
    Ah, I see you have the manager that goes "ping".

    You sir, get one internets

  • (cs) in reply to jmzrbnsn
    jmzrbnsn:
    Code Dependent:
    TB3:
    Then they printed out her version, and we did a line-by-line comparison of the two print-outs to find her typos.

    After the typos were corrected, the program was compiled...

    The compiler wouldn't show you the typos?
    As the original poster said:
    The program had been developed by another government agency and due to inter-departmental rivalry, they would not supply us with the code in digital form, only a print-out of the source.
    CAPTCHA facilisis: what Code Dependent may have ;)
    There's a point here. I know there is. (Looking, looking...) I'm sure you must have been trying to make a point. Please excuse my lack of perception, and elaborate on it.

  • me (unregistered) in reply to webhamster
    webhamster:
    Not just IM. I hear it reference to meetings ("I'll ping him offline after the meeting."), phone calls ("I don't know, let me ping her and find out."), messages ("I pinged her but she hasn't called back.") and basically any other mode of communication. It's bloody irritating.

    Never heard it used that way here in germany. I guess if i ping myself on this in 2-3 years, it will be common. Yay for globalisation =/

  • (cs) in reply to Bob
    Bob:
    TRWTF: WTF does "Being pinged" mean?
    Don't forget to read the reviews.
  • (cs) in reply to Asdf
    Asdf:
    Data entry builds character
    Quick, print up some coffee mugs!
  • (cs) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    fungus:
    For phone calls 'pinging' has a narrower meaning, at least that's how I use it: Let someone's phone ring once as a previously accorded signal that some event occurred, or meaning "Call me back when you have time", or "You call me, I don't want to pay/don't have any credit left".
    Damn that pisses me off. I always ignore my phone when that happens, and I secretly hope that the person on the other end is drowning. If you can't afford to phone me for help then fuck off and drown.

    I know a drug dealer who does that - its such a wind-up.Mind you, I now enjoy ignoring it,& waiting for the twat to phone up & say "I dinged(his version of pinged) you,why didn't you phone me?" He only does it because he's to tight to buy enough phone credit(or he's spent all his money on crack - stupid 38 yr old teenager that he is)

  • Jay (unregistered) in reply to Ken B
    Ken B:
    Daid:
    This isn't uncommon, my mother got a temp job doing something like this. She had to type over one database into another. As they where both access databases I just asked her to bring them over, and I did her 8 week job in 5 minutes.
    So, did you defraud the company and still charge for 8 weeks of work, or did you cause your mother to lose 8 weeks of paid work?

    If the customer agreed to pay, say, $3000 for the job, and you deliver the agreed upon work for $3000, how is that defrauding the customer? The fact that he found a more efficient way to do the job than the customer expected or that the competition was capable of doesn't make it fraud.

    If I go to the store and the sign says, "Model 17B Widget: $150", and I take a widget to the cash register and they bill my credit card $200, that's fraud. If they bill me the advertised $150, that's not fraud. Whether the widget cost them $140 or $10 is irrelevant.

  • What the? (unregistered)

    I can't believe this. It took me by myself 80 hours with (shudders) VBA to do the same job with twice the records.

    That's got to be the most awful thing I've ever heard.

  • (cs) in reply to What the?
    What the?:
    That's got to be the most awful thing I've ever heard.
    You killed my chron job. Prepare to die.
  • 01001001011101000010011101110011001000000110110101100101 (unregistered) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    01001001011101000010011101110011001000000110110101100101:
    Yeah, except you're not Michelangelo, and you're not painting the Sistine Chapel, you're a two-bit code monkey hacking away at some dismal software project.... "it'll be done when it's done" is never acceptable....
    On the contrary, I tell this to my boss all the time and he wouldn't dare try to call me out on it - not ever. You make the mistake of thinking that ALL developers are "two-bit code monkeys", just because this is as far as you've gotten in your career. Keep at it and one day you might actually have some importance in your company, beyond being a wholly replaceable "code monkey".

    The fact that you don't understand this concept shows you actually are a two-bit code monkey. Further your boss has crappy managerial skills for allowing that response to fly.

    If your only answer to when something will be done is "it'll be done when it's done" how can a company possibly budget a project, how can other projects depend on your project to be complete on time? How can anyone depend on you to get your act together and deliver something?

    No, in the real world, in companies with more than a handful of employees, results matter. And part of results are being able to say when you'll deliver something.

    Would you use a delivery company who's motto was "it'll get there when it gets there"? It's an example, yes, and I'm aware software is more complex, and most of what we do is stuff that's never been done before (if your project is interesting anyway.) However, if you have any decent experience you can draw a ballpark on how long a given piece of functionality will take to build.... Now I'm not saying you'll deliver on that initial estimate, but as problems crop up you'll make new estimates. If you can't do that, then yes, you are a two-bit code monkey.

  • Duke of New York (unregistered) in reply to Pickle Pumpers
    Pickle Pumpers:
    I can't tell you how much it annoys me to be asked, "How much longer?" I hate it so much I quit a job when my boss, for the last time, asked me, "When will it be fixed?" I packed my stuff up and walked out.
    ... and that's how he became a coder for Duke Nukem Forever.
  • (cs) in reply to 01001001011101000010011101110011001000000110110101100101
    01001001011101000010011101110011001000000110110101100101:
    Blah blah blah...
    Apples vs. oranges, monkey. You need to go back and read the original post again. You keep trying to compare this situation to project management, reporting, estimates of delivery time, etc. We're talking about a manager who arbitrarily stops by every few minutes and asks how much longer it's going to take.
  • (cs) in reply to halcyon1234
    halcyon1234:
    Given that half the company was Loas and extremely well spoken, I have no idea how this transpired. But it did, and I can only hope it was a social experiment, or some writers doing research for a Saturday Night Live skit.

    Half the company were Voodoo Priests? Wow. So they would have done what to stop this from occurring? Is Zombification as remediation for office problems allowed where you live? I'm not sure two zombies attempting data entry would sound much better.

    Addendum (2009-05-20 17:47): My mistake. Loa are actually the gods/spirits.. not the priests. Makes it all the more impressive, though.

  • (cs) in reply to merpius
    merpius:
    halcyon1234:
    Given that half the company was Loas and extremely well spoken, I have no idea how this transpired. But it did, and I can only hope it was a social experiment, or some writers doing research for a Saturday Night Live skit.
    Half the company were Voodoo Priests? Wow. So they would have done what to stop this from occurring? Is Zombification as remediation for office problems allowed where you live? I'm not sure two zombies attempting data entry would sound much better.

    Addendum (2009-05-20 17:47): My mistake. Loa are actually the gods/spirits.. not the priests. Makes it all the more impressive, though.

    A well-spoken god would be pleasant change from the prevailing norm in this part of the world.

  • Anonymous Coward (unregistered) in reply to Code Dependent
    Code Dependent:
    TB3:
    Then they printed out her version, and we did a line-by-line comparison of the two print-outs to find her typos.

    After the typos were corrected, the program was compiled...

    The compiler wouldn't show you the typos?

    You aint done no FORTRAN :-)

  • (cs) in reply to 01001001011101000010011101110011001000000110110101100101
    01001001011101000010011101110011001000000110110101100101:
    In the real world, it's called a sizing people....
    I gave up on that sentence and moved on, hoping I'd find out what "a sizing people" meant by reading the rest of the paragraph. It seems that either "people" is line noise or some punctuation is missing.

    As for "sizing", I can only guess that calling it an "estimate" would be too blue-collar.

  • ddf (unregistered) in reply to amischiefr
    amischiefr:
    Al:
    TRWTF is posting the spoiler warning after the spoiler.

    My Big Fat Greek Wedding is ruined for me now...

    Don't waste 2 hours of your life, that movie sucks donkey dick anyway.
    I think you're referring to Much Bestial Fellatio, Gay Way. Quite a different film, I am told.

  • FTFY (unregistered) in reply to Jason White
    Jason White:
    Guy makes some pretty good sense to me dude!

    RT www.privacy-center.de.tc

    But you don't. Shove it up your arty privacy center!

  • sexual harassment (unregistered) in reply to bigbird
    bigbird:
    It was bloody irritating, but he was always trying to "leverage synergies" too...
    I hope you told him you didn't swing that way.
  • edmund (unregistered)

    I have made good money in the past being employed as a data inserter for exactly this sort of system migration.

  • (cs) in reply to halcyon1234
    halcyon1234:
    The temp agency delivered two Asian girls-- and they were exactly what that non-PC part of your brain conjures up when someone says "two Asian girls".
    What? I don't have a computer in my brain. It's all wetware!
  • Wyrd (unregistered) in reply to Bob
    Bob:
    TRWTF: WTF does "Being pinged" mean?

    The Really Real WTF is you not understanding the phrase "being pinged". Seriously, dude. There are so many ways to answer your question, I don't know where to start, and I have trouble believing it's a real question.

    (P.S. If it is a real question, please turn to your nearest cube-mate and ask them.)

    -- Furry cows moo and decompress.

  • (cs) in reply to Pickle Pumpers
    Pickle Pumpers:
    I can't tell you how much it annoys me to be asked, "How much longer?" I hate it so much I quit a job when my boss, for the last time, asked me, "When will it be fixed?" I packed my stuff up and walked out.

    This only threatens to annoy me to that degree during an outage.

    That is, say I'm the foo admin, and the foo server is down - first time in two years. My pager goes off, I start to take a look at it - and it's not a simple restart issue. I write a quick note telling my manager it's down, and I'll have a fix ETA to him as soon as I have one.

    Five minutes later, he stops by and asks what the ETA is. I respond, "Dunno. We have some major corruption here. I took a backup and then restored from the prior backup, and it still spewed - but it was working 30 minutes ago, so I need to look into it more. Could you get Wally to look at it with me?"

    Three minutes later, the boss stops by again. Wally's nowhere to be seen. If the boss now explains why Wally's not here, or at least asks about whether Alice could help, or something like that, that's cool. But he doesn't - he's a PHB. He asks about the ETA.

    I turn and look at him, hands off the keyboard. "Current ETA is never, because you're keeping me from working, rather than getting me help like you're supposed to be doing."

    PHB goes off and never bothers me excessively for status again during an outage. I turn around and get back to working on the problem.

    At least, that's my track record thus far. We'll see how long that lasts, however. We'll also probably see what happens when it fails to work that way.

    To those who say this means I don't know what I'm doing: If I knew exactly what the problem was, I'd have an ETA. It's an outage that just came up - most likely because Wally managed to accidentally spill fermented coffee grounds into the server or some crap like that. But until I know why it came up, giving an ETA on a fix will be very difficult. I'm not psychic, despite the fact that it was apparently a job requirement (not listed - but they felt all the successful candidates would know about it anyway, since they were psychic and all). I didn't claim I was psychic, but they hired me anyway.

  • (cs)

    I still don't understand what power leveling has got to do with gold rolex.

    I mean, is there anyone else for whom this conjures up images of steamrollers running over gold watches, or is that just me?

  • josh (unregistered)

    its all about money these days. eveything you see everywhere you look has something to do with money. i tell ya what, smoke five joints, six bowl packs , and five more joints, and youll realize things like this. look at your computer...........look at yourself..........look at the floor, the ceiling out the window....EVERYTHING HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH MONEY. ceiling, took money to build it, same with the floor. out the window, look at the grass......PROPERTY, MONEY, SOMEONE OWNS IT, same goes with the trees,what outside besides the clouds sky and beyond does not revolve around money.yourself, everything you wear costs money right? your computer...you bought it, and if not you, somebody did!i look at my own hand, rebuilt in surgery,money money money. a world without money........WOULD BE MADNESS!!!!what would the world be without money. even gods property has fallen victim to money. god doesnt own the churches, people do.god would slap us for falling victim to the devils right hand man, MONEY.

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