• Joe (unregistered) in reply to Bobo
    Bobo:
    Daniel:
    I would absolutely love it if everybody kept their thermostats at 65 degrees in the winter.

    I usually keep mine 62-63 in the winter...

    Situation is important. I'd always turn my thermostat up to around 70 in the winter. I lived in Florida, so that meant that sometimes, in the middle of the night in the winter, the AC would stop running. Sometimes.

  • (cs) in reply to Mike
    Mike:
    So, they even had to wear sweaters? Isn't that considered common sense in the winter? or would that only be in Europe?
    Only Europeans are so petty as to criticize others' sweater-wearing habits; it's never come up before.
  • (cs) in reply to Daza
    Daza:
    Exactly what I thought too. When I read "That, apparently, was the wrong thing to say." I anticipated a story about sexual harassment and such :P
    Aww, that would have been so unfair though! ...probably. unless that's why he happened to make the comment in the first place. "So I was sexually harassing the worker down there when she launched into this tirade about the heating system and I'm just like `whoa whoa whoa, baby, just relax, I'll keep you warm, don't worry about that"

    No, really it reminds me of the scene in the elevator from Harold and Kumar where the girl has all the suitcases with her and he's trying to think of an icebreaker...
    "wow, you sure have a lot of baggage." Wow, it sure is a good thing that didn't get interpreted the way it sounded!

  • (cs) in reply to CynicalTyler
    CynicalTyler:
    Devin walked over to the corner, moved the computer back where it was supposed to be, grabbed a donut for the road (well, elevator ride), and left. And after that, everything was just fine.
    That is until some RAD worker walked over and thought: "Hey, the plant moved! I better put it back to teach it not to become sentient." and promptly replaced the computer under the thermostat.
    I found it totally unbelievable that the building engineers checked the link to the thermostat, but didn't even look at the thermostat itself (which would have revealed that the alleged temperature in the room was 85 degrees). I mean, I would have first assumed PEBCAK and looked at the thermostat to see if there was a temperature tug of war going on (one guy likes 65, another likes 75...).
  • (cs) in reply to Daniel
    Daniel:
    I would absolutely love it if everybody kept their thermostats at 65 degrees in the winter. It saves a huge amount of energy, and it just seems kinda wrong to keep the house at short-sleeves temperature when it's below freezing outside. Just wear more clothes--you'll need them if you want to step outside even for a few seconds!

    I would absolutely love it if pompous, self-congratulatory blowhards like you would stop trying to tell everybody else how to live.

    The satisfying thing is that I can offset the entire difference ten of you jackasses make to the environment by accelerating hard away from every full stop. It costs a bit more, but it's money well spent. Fun, too.

  • (cs) in reply to Cahlroisse
    Cahlroisse:
    CleverShark:
    Jon:
    I once did this in my own office, only the reverse. The AC guys wouldn't turn down the AC in my office, so I simply moved my monitor directly underneath the thermostat and it kept the room nice and cool from then on.

    I'm no physicist or anything, but wouldn't doing this result in colder air from the AC system?..

    I believe by "turn down the AC" he meant turn the temperature down to make the room cooler. I was confused too.

    I finally figured out how to interpret my wife's requests to turn the A/C up or down (we've been married just over a year). To my logic-blessed (cursed?) brain, turning UP the A/C means to make the house colder. Of course, that's exactly the opposite of what she was wanting.

  • Dirk (unregistered)

    I love a happy ending!

  • BBT (unregistered) in reply to Herohtar
    Herohtar:
    no:
    you had me believing for most of it. you broke the fourth wall when i read the part about keeping warm by starting a fire. in a records room.

    Yeah, somehow that statement about the fire makes me doubt the validity of the story.

    Are you guys really that dumb that you can't figure out where the jokes are in a story? The part about the fire is a joke. They obviously didn't make fires. Sarcastic jokes that say something plainly false are in just about every daily wtf article. The real wtf is that you haven't picked up on that yet.

  • Joe (unregistered) in reply to PeriSoft
    PeriSoft:
    Daniel:
    I would absolutely love it if everybody kept their thermostats at 65 degrees in the winter. It saves a huge amount of energy, and it just seems kinda wrong to keep the house at short-sleeves temperature when it's below freezing outside. Just wear more clothes--you'll need them if you want to step outside even for a few seconds!

    I would absolutely love it if pompous, self-congratulatory blowhards like you would stop trying to tell everybody else how to live.

    The satisfying thing is that I can offset the entire difference ten of you jackasses make to the environment by accelerating hard away from every full stop. It costs a bit more, but it's money well spent. Fun, too.

    Johny Carter did that. He told America to just "put on a sweater" during the energy crisis. Dumbass.

    If someone wants to live with less, fine. But I'll continue doing what I want. You leave me alone, I leave you alone.

    Oh, and I have a Mustang. So that V8 offsets any minor change some hippy tries to make everyday. I love it.

  • Joe (unregistered)

    Errr, I meant Jimmy Carter.

    It's late. Goodnight.

  • (cs) in reply to Mark
    Mark:
    As where all aware high schools in the USA are underfunded.

    Yes, "where" all painfully aware.

  • bobby tables (unregistered) in reply to RogerC
    RogerC I finally figured out how to interpret my wife's requests to turn the A/C up or down (we've been married just over a year).

    [LOL] What?, you didn't do any pre-marital living for, say a year or two before marriage? Typical developer behaviour sending things out to release with just minimal testing. [/LOL]

    To my logic-blessed (cursed?) brain, turning UP the A/C means to make the house colder. Of course, that's exactly the opposite of what she was wanting.

    Kind of an elipsis, trying to mean:

    "Put more power to the AC to make it do more of what it does" which is usually low temperature for an AC.

    captcha: tesla, MOAR P0W3R!!!!ONEONE!!!ELEVEN!!!ONE!1!

  • (cs)

    In my prior work our office was a whole floor without much divisions.

    We had a total of 6 six "isles" of desks+computers (3 to 10 in each) and only 1 thermostat, which obviously was in wall nearest to the sun light focusing windows...

    To get the farther isle cool, the nearest one was to be freezed as much as not let any kind of life ever grow... Which of course led to wars on the temp settings. Finally the all knowing developers (me and my two buddies) found a way to password protect our route to cool heaven :)

    Of course the real WTF is the IT Department hadn't password protected it themselves and controlled it from their floor :P

  • Dan Krüsi (unregistered) in reply to Daniel
    Daniel:
    I would absolutely love it if everybody kept their thermostats at 65 degrees in the winter. It saves a huge amount of energy, and it just seems kinda wrong to keep the house at short-sleeves temperature when it's below freezing outside. Just wear more clothes--you'll need them if you want to step outside even for a few seconds!

    Yes I agree - this is common practice in Europe. -dan

  • DK (unregistered) in reply to Joe
    Joe:
    PeriSoft:
    Daniel:
    I would absolutely love it if everybody kept their thermostats at 65 degrees in the winter. It saves a huge amount of energy, and it just seems kinda wrong to keep the house at short-sleeves temperature when it's below freezing outside. Just wear more clothes--you'll need them if you want to step outside even for a few seconds!

    I would absolutely love it if pompous, self-congratulatory blowhards like you would stop trying to tell everybody else how to live.

    The satisfying thing is that I can offset the entire difference ten of you jackasses make to the environment by accelerating hard away from every full stop. It costs a bit more, but it's money well spent. Fun, too.

    Johny Carter did that. He told America to just "put on a sweater" during the energy crisis. Dumbass.

    If someone wants to live with less, fine. But I'll continue doing what I want. You leave me alone, I leave you alone.

    Oh, and I have a Mustang. So that V8 offsets any minor change some hippy tries to make everyday. I love it.

    ...and you most likely live in Texas. All hail to the mighty Texans with thier wasteful and selfish ways.

  • (cs) in reply to Huh
    Huh:
    They kept the heat at like 65 degrees
    freezing our asses off

    ???

    He's using some weird non-metric scale.

  • (cs) in reply to Dan Krüsi
    Dan Krüsi:
    Daniel:
    I would absolutely love it if everybody kept their thermostats at 65 degrees in the winter. It saves a huge amount of energy, and it just seems kinda wrong to keep the house at short-sleeves temperature when it's below freezing outside. Just wear more clothes--you'll need them if you want to step outside even for a few seconds!

    Yes I agree - this is common practice in Europe. -dan

    I beg to differ; there is surely no thermostat in Europe that is set to 65 degrees, ever. You don't want to roast people. :P

  • (cs) in reply to Joe
    Joe:
    Oh, and I have a Mustang. So that V8 offsets any minor change some hippy tries to make everyday. I love it.

    If your Mustang is anything like the one I had (1998/9 model) then the fuel consumption was being offset by the fact that the car was in the garage for repairs all the time. After two crappy Fords I'm sticking to German cars.

  • chishm (unregistered) in reply to PeriSoft
    PeriSoft:
    I would absolutely love it if pompous, self-congratulatory blowhards like you would stop trying to tell everybody else how to live.

    The satisfying thing is that I can offset the entire difference ten of you jackasses make to the environment by accelerating hard away from every full stop. It costs a bit more, but it's money well spent. Fun, too.

    "It's too cold here and you guys are trying to stop the planet from warming? I mean, come-on, who cares about the other 6 billion people on this planet; it's too much effort for me to put on a jumper."

    Sometimes I'm glad that oil went to over $90USD per barrel. At least it'll cost people for being so wasteful.

  • Disgruntled Postal Worker (unregistered)

    What is so special about 9h03 AM? A couple of hours after people start work and a couple of hours before lunch?

  • (cs) in reply to Zygo
    Zygo:
    Our building has a fireproof vault for storing documents. If you think of what a walk-in freezer looks like, you have the idea, except there's no refrigeration, just insulation.

    There are a few tapes and CD's but 95% of the contents of the room is paper (maybe 30% of the volume of the room in total). If the door is closed the room is theoretically airtight; however, it is rarely fully closed since it takes a fair amount of arm strength to get the latch to close, and people are often in the room to get stuff.

    The "fireproof vault" has an electric light mounted in the ceiling. It is a bare 100W incandescent bulb. You know, the kind that run hot enough to start fires if they are kept in an enclosed space next to flammable materials...

    I used to work at McDonalds (most people have) and we did have a walk-in freezer. Of course, it had a single solitary light in the ceiling, which managed to short out and drip burning plastic, which promptly set fire to everything.

    We were working out of a refrigerated lorry for the next week or two. Though we did get an idiot move the cones from behind it so he could park his car, completely blocking access to it. I really can't figure out how he thought that parking behind a big McDonalds lorry, outside McDonalds, that had cones there to stop people doing exactly that, was a sensible idea. Did he think we wouldn't notice?

    So two WTFs there for you.

  • pauldwaite (unregistered)

    Non-IT departments are awesome. Hellos, doughnuts, and sometimes they even have women there.

  • Alan (unregistered) in reply to operagost
    Mike:
    So, they even had to wear sweaters? Isn't that considered common sense in the winter? or would that only be in Europe?

    Except in Iceland - they insist on wearing t-shirts and sandals indoors during winter. Thats geothermal energy for you.

  • Jerome (unregistered) in reply to akatherder
    akatherder:
    end up dripping all kinds of water

    How many kinds are there?

  • dkf (unregistered) in reply to Joe
    Joe:
    If someone wants to live with less, fine. But I'll continue doing what I want. You leave me alone, I leave you alone.
    So long as you're willing to pay for it at market rates, that's fine. But don't ask me to subsidize your wastefulness, OK?
  • Morte (unregistered) in reply to seymore15074
    seymore15074:
    RobbieAreBest:
    Rod Horny:
    I was hoping that Devon's remark about it being chilly would have made it obvious that there were erect nipples present - sigh - such is life.

    Sadly, that also came to my mind...

    I no longer feel alone here.

    Sigh... I thought the same thing. Even had a quick mental flash. Oh well.... boobies =D

  • (cs)

    I used to work in an office that was designed to be open-plan, but ended up having several separate offices, one of which was mine. There was only one thermostat controlling 3 offices, and one office was always too warm, one never changed and the other (mine) was always freezing. Even during summer, I'd end up wearing jumpers, jackets, sometimes a hat, and once or twice gloves. I also had a hot water bottle in my drawer for when it got really bad...

  • Kuba (unregistered) in reply to PeriSoft
    PeriSoft:
    Daniel:
    I would absolutely love it if everybody kept their thermostats at 65 degrees in the winter. It saves a huge amount of energy, and it just seems kinda wrong to keep the house at short-sleeves temperature when it's below freezing outside. Just wear more clothes--you'll need them if you want to step outside even for a few seconds!

    I would absolutely love it if pompous, self-congratulatory blowhards like you would stop trying to tell everybody else how to live.

    The satisfying thing is that I can offset the entire difference ten of you jackasses make to the environment by accelerating hard away from every full stop. It costs a bit more, but it's money well spent. Fun, too.

    If you lived on another planet, I'd agree. Now, the thing is that we all share the resources, which are limited. It's unfortunate how wasteful is the American lifestyle. Noticing that fact, and encouraging everyone to save energy is hardly pompous or self-congratulatory IMHO. It's the only sane thing to do.

    U.S. houses in general are absolutely horrible, energy-efficiency-wise. You couldn't sell typical U.S. residential windows in most of nothern Europe, for example. Noone would buy them. People would look at the design, look at the thermal and air exchange ratings, knock themselves in the forehead and think "WTF?". Same goes for typical U.S. residential wall design (siding, Tyvek, particleboard, frame + fiberglass, drywall) - that's how people in Poland would build their garden shacks, not homes. And insulation helps both in winter and summer.

    Most people who live in the U.S. unfortunately don't realize that if they had a house built like say a typical newly built Polish house, their heating, cooling and hot water costs would total at least 50% less, if not more. For me, that'd be looking at a $70 winter monthly electricity bill (powers HVAC+hot water+stove) instead of $140 I usually pay in central Ohio. The overall savings, if you use electricity for heating, are actually triple to quadruple that, energy wise. Every kilowatthour saved in your house saves emissions of producing 3-4 kilowatthours from coal.

    Just getting the damn houses built properly would save a lot energy, then I'd be OK with people driving gas guzzlers around.

    Cheers!

  • (cs) in reply to Kuba
    Kuba:
    U.S. houses in general are absolutely horrible, energy-efficiency-wise. You couldn't sell typical U.S. residential windows in most of nothern Europe, for example. Noone would buy them. People would look at the design, look at the thermal and air exchange ratings, knock themselves in the forehead and think "WTF?". Same goes for typical U.S. residential wall design (siding, Tyvek, particleboard, frame + fiberglass, drywall) - that's how people in Poland would build their garden shacks, not homes. And insulation helps both in winter and summer.

    Most people who live in the U.S. unfortunately don't realize that if they had a house built like say a typical newly built Polish house, their heating, cooling and hot water costs would total at least 50% less, if not more. For me, that'd be looking at a $70 winter monthly electricity bill (powers HVAC+hot water+stove) instead of $140 I usually pay in central Ohio. The overall savings, if you use electricity for heating, are actually triple to quadruple that, energy wise. Every kilowatthour saved in your house saves emissions of producing 3-4 kilowatthours from coal.

    Cheers!

    At least the windows thing is improving, if slowly. How do they build the houses over there? I'm sure it's just not thicker insulation. I would think electric would be one of the least efficient ways of heating if you have big differentials (i.e., a heat pump would be ok in Florida). Otherwise, gas (natural or propane) or oil usually do better.

  • Anitra (unregistered)

    Reminds me of an old office I was in - one spring, the weather happened to stay cold longer than usual (it was in the high 40s (F) in May, usually it would be in the 60s)... and our office was freezing, making it colder inside than it was outside. We ended up wearing our coats and wrapping blankets around ourselves, but by the second morning, we were ready to mutiny and go home until the problem was fixed.

    Turns out the building had an automatic switch to flip from heat to AC in May. Building management manually flipped it back to heat, and all was well.

  • (cs) in reply to PeriSoft
    PeriSoft:
    The satisfying thing is that I can offset the entire difference ten of you jackasses make to the environment by accelerating hard away from every full stop. It costs a bit more, but it's money well spent. Fun, too.

    It also gets you there* faster.

    *'there' is defined as 'to the next light'

  • NiceWTF (unregistered) in reply to Mark
    Mark:
    As where all aware high schools in the USA are underfunded. So how did mine cope? They kept the heat at like 65 degrees. Unable to adjust the thermostats (because they where tamper proof), and sick and tired of freezing our asses off..

    Wait, what?

    65 Fahrenheit is ca. 18,3 degrees Celsius. I consider that a very decent room temperature. I usually set the thermostat to 18 or 19 degrees (Celsius), myself.

    Elderly people often set it a bit higher though.

    Also, "where all aware high schools in the USA are underfunded". Indeed we are all aware of this, thanks for proving the point though.

  • SL (unregistered) in reply to Herohtar
    Herohtar:
    no:
    you had me believing for most of it. you broke the fourth wall when i read the part about keeping warm by starting a fire. in a records room.

    Yeah, somehow that statement about the fire makes me doubt the validity of the story.

    So, Alex can't add a few quips and exaggerations to emphasize a part of the story... like how cold it is?

    That's just good writing!

  • (cs)

    I figure it's natural selection.

    People too stupid to understand the operation of a device as simple as a thermostat deserve to freeze to death and have their genes removed from the earth.

  • Leo (unregistered) in reply to Alan
    Alan:
    Mike:
    So, they even had to wear sweaters? Isn't that considered common sense in the winter? or would that only be in Europe?

    Except in Iceland - they insist on wearing t-shirts and sandals indoors during winter. Thats geothermal energy for you.

    Europe is too big to be subsumed under "it is cold in winter". It is not, in most places. In Germany the temperatures in winter drop only for half the time below 0°C. And so a T-Shirt is appropriate inside and often also outside, as long as you don't try to sit on a blanket and take a sunbath.

  • Bosshog (unregistered) in reply to RobbieAreBest

    Me too. Brillant.

    Captcha: Darwin. So why do men have them?

  • (cs) in reply to unklegwar
    unklegwar:
    I figure it's natural selection.

    People too stupid to understand the operation of a device as simple as a thermostat deserve to freeze to death and have their genes removed from the earth.

    It's not at all obvious, if you don't already know, that the same box you set the desired temperature on also includes a sensor for the current temperature. Someone could reasonably expect the sensor to be located elsewhere, out of sight.

  • CynicalTyler (unregistered) in reply to Alan
    Alan:
    Mike:
    So, they even had to wear sweaters? Isn't that considered common sense in the winter? or would that only be in Europe?
    Except in Iceland - they insist on wearing t-shirts and sandals indoors during winter. Thats geothermal energy for you.
    People wear clothes in Europe?
  • joeb (unregistered)

    Devin was obviously a six-sigma black belt... http://www.isixsigma.com/library/content/c040517a.asp

    No mere mortal could have solved this.

  • anon (unregistered) in reply to NiceWTF
    Mark:
    As where all aware high schools in the USA are underfunded. So how did mine cope? They kept the heat at like 65 degrees. Unable to adjust the thermostats (because they where tamper proof), and sick and tired of freezing our asses off..

    One hall in my high school never had working heaters, which meant the ambient temperature inside in the winter was about 40 F (4 C). One of my teachers resorted to heating by leaving the door of a toaster oven open in his classroom - before class started, we'd all huddle around it in jackets, mittens, and hats. 6 years later, the heaters still haven't been fixed.

  • three hundred ninety eight badgers and a parakeet (unregistered) in reply to Bobo
    Bobo:
    four hundred badgers and a parakeet:
    Yep, when I had a 19" CRT, my room was a sauna. Thank God for LCDs. :-D
    Mike:
    So, they even had to wear sweaters? Isn't that considered common sense in the winter? or would that only be in Europe?
    Indoors?

    Indoors. Yeah.

    High heating bills + short sleeves vs. Low heating bills + sweater.

    I'd go for the option that'll let me buy more beer and DVDs...

    I'd go for the option that allows me to type. When it's that cold I can either wear gloves, which are too bulky to type in, or try to type with cold hands, which doesn't work. No thanks.

    Just to annoy a couple people, captcha=bling.

  • ViciousPsicle (unregistered) in reply to Mel
    Mel:
    I used to work in an office that was designed to be open-plan, but ended up having several separate offices, one of which was mine. There was only one thermostat controlling 3 offices, and one office was always too warm, one never changed and the other (mine) was always freezing. Even during summer, I'd end up wearing jumpers, jackets, sometimes a hat, and once or twice gloves. I also had a hot water bottle in my drawer for when it got really bad...

    At my last job, we had pretty much the same setup. One thermostat for every three offices. The guy with the thermostat in my grouping liked his office on the cool side. Which would have been fine, except he also had about 10 computers in his office that were constantly on, and being used for stress testing, which meant that they put out a LOT of heat. And he always kept his door closed. As a result, the two of us that shared the HVAC cell with him had to sit in offices that were like meat lockers. I spent all summer wearing sweatshirts and long pants, despite the 90+ degree heatwave.

  • iMalc (unregistered)

    One word: Cool!

  • (cs) in reply to Random832
    Random832:
    unklegwar:
    I figure it's natural selection.

    People too stupid to understand the operation of a device as simple as a thermostat deserve to freeze to death and have their genes removed from the earth.

    It's not at all obvious, if you don't already know, that the same box you set the desired temperature on also includes a sensor for the current temperature. Someone could reasonably expect the sensor to be located elsewhere, out of sight.

    Granted, and what I'm saying is that this is pretty common knowledge that SHOULD be KNOWN. And this wasn't one person, this was an office full of people who couldn't figure out the problem. NO ONE knew how it worked.

    I might accept that IF the thermostat was a new invention, but they HAVE been around for a long time. By the time you are working in an office environment, the operation of the device should be common knowledge. Much like knowing that when you talk on the phone, the person you are speaking to is not actually IN your phone, and that the light in your fridge is operated by a switch and not a little man that lives inside it.

    Sounds like an office full of dolts to me.

    Now, in MY office, we have two thermostats that are no more than 4 inches apart. The temperature readings are always about 5 degrees different (ambient temp, not temp setting). By my reckoning, there should be some pretty severe weather in that 4 inches :-)

  • Franz Kafka (unregistered) in reply to Joe
    Joe:
    Oh, and I have a Mustang. So that V8 offsets any minor change some hippy tries to make everyday. I love it.

    What is it with people bragging about wasting stuff? Sure, the hippies can be annoying, but that doesn't mean you aren't a crass bastard for bragging about your V8 and all its gas usage.

  • Razor (unregistered)

    Exact same thing happened at an office I used to work at. In that case, one of the office grunts refused to move his monitor, forcing everyone else to suffer.

  • Warpedcow (unregistered) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    Joe:
    If someone wants to live with less, fine. But I'll continue doing what I want. You leave me alone, I leave you alone.
    So long as you're willing to pay for it at market rates, that's fine. But don't ask me to subsidize your wastefulness, OK?

    I don't want you to subsidize my wastefullness, I just want you to stop taxing it.

    Kuba:
    If you lived on another planet, I'd agree. Now, the thing is that we all share the resources, which are limited. It's unfortunate how wasteful is the American lifestyle. Noticing that fact, and encouraging everyone to save energy is hardly pompous or self-congratulatory IMHO. It's the only sane thing to do.

    If all humans on earth collectively owned all resources on earth, you'd have a point. However, the earth is not run by one giant communist country. We do NOT share resources. We spend our dollars and buy resources in a (relatively) free market. Why I buy as much or as little of said resources is no business of yours, since you aren't paying for them.

  • whicker (unregistered) in reply to anon
    anon:
    Mark:
    As where all aware high schools in the USA are underfunded. So how did mine cope? They kept the heat at like 65 degrees. Unable to adjust the thermostats (because they where tamper proof), and sick and tired of freezing our asses off..

    One hall in my high school never had working heaters, which meant the ambient temperature inside in the winter was about 40 F (4 C). One of my teachers resorted to heating by leaving the door of a toaster oven open in his classroom - before class started, we'd all huddle around it in jackets, mittens, and hats. 6 years later, the heaters still haven't been fixed.

    That's really sad, actually.

    Hey, they could have made a project out of it in one of the shop classes. Critical IT stuff often gets put into the laps of students, why not this? Take care of the cost of the basic materials with the "shop fee".

  • (cs) in reply to evanm
    evanm:
    Reminds me of a story my dad told me about one of the offices he did some work in. The heating and AC systems ran separately from each other, with their own ducting and thermostats. When they did the layouts for the rooms, the did the smart thing, and for each system, put the exhaust ducts and thermostats on opposite sides of the room.

    Unfortunately, they put the AC thermostat right under the heating exhaust, and the heating thermostat right under the AC exhaust. The two systems had nice tug O' war fights with each other.

    Are these people for real, or what?

  • (cs) in reply to CynicalTyler
    CynicalTyler:
    Alan:
    Mike:
    So, they even had to wear sweaters? Isn't that considered common sense in the winter? or would that only be in Europe?
    Except in Iceland - they insist on wearing t-shirts and sandals indoors during winter. Thats geothermal energy for you.
    People wear clothes in Europe?
    They're optional in most of the civilised parts, but yes, you're right. If there's an American in the room, standard etiquette means that we have to be naked, just because you wouldn't understand, otherwise. For more evolved versions of homo sapiens, eg Ockers, we tend to wear a hat with dangling corks, and possibly yellow and green socks as a tribute to their sports teams.

    In general, however, we're bare nekkid. I'm not sure where this whole concept of clothes came from -- probably a bunch of ponces in renaissance Italy, but there you go.

    This should be a huge tourist attraction, but unfortunately the dollar doesn't seem to buy very much at the moment, does it?

    Never mind: keep watching naked people on DVD.

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