• another_drone (unregistered) in reply to Jayman

    Yeah, I was just thinking of that. It was my first job out of college. I remember hearing about the State of emergency and thinking "Do I just not show up?". Later, I did get a call from HR stating "It is okay if you do not make it in." I do not break the law, even for my job. The fine probably would have been bigger than my pay. cheers

  • Befuddled (unregistered) in reply to Anon

    Seriously? How can holiday delay a project? You're supposed to plan around it.

    Personally I've not noticed that the not-uncommon-in-the-US culture of spending huge amounts of time in the office with few breaks resulted in any more productivity. Perception of productivity, perhaps.

  • (cs) in reply to Befuddled
    Befuddled:
    Seriously? How can holiday delay a project? You're supposed to plan around it.

    Personally I've not noticed that the not-uncommon-in-the-US culture of spending huge amounts of time in the office with few breaks resulted in any more productivity. Perception of productivity, perhaps.

    hmm....

  • Shinji (unregistered) in reply to Aaron

    Probably but not in that area I'm sure.

  • east_coast_bunny (unregistered) in reply to Befuddled

    I was raised on the East Coast. Yeah, the place where they close the roads and snow chains are not allowed. They have a big snowstorm every five years and a HUGE storm every 25 years. But generally people know how to drive in wintery conditions. In 2008 I moved Portland. When the "big snow" hit, I couldn't believe the reaction. Closing the airport for days? I went outside to shovel my truck and heard the neighbor talking to his friend. "Dude, where do I put the chains?" I said, "on the wheels with the drive." Then he asked "If I have a Corrola, which wheels have the drive." I promptly gave up and went back inside to work from home. When I emailed my boss, he said "I thought you could drive in this stuff." I can, it is all the other idiots I am worried about.

  • Shinji (unregistered)

    Please note that companies have a very bad habit of having upper management in an area that is not where the weather is occuring. I also had an incident similar to this posting this past winter. During all days the building was business as usual including the one where we were not supposed to drive in. Needless to say I called off. Luckily I do have a job where the supervisor had a say if occurrences applied and he had it removed because inclement weather prevented my ability to show up for work.

    On that note I had another day where the snow plow every so nicely decided to create a near 6 foot wall of snow at the end of my driveway that I had to shovel out. It wasn't just that light stuff either. Due to the plow it ended up being the very heavy stuff and took me all morning just to get a section open wide enough for the vehicle to fit through.

  • MyName (unregistered)

    At least in Germany the company would have behaved totally correct since the employee burdons the way-risk (Wegerisiko), meaning if you can't manage to get to work it's your problem.

  • Zarggg (unregistered) in reply to Vollhorst

    The last place I worked only allowed employees one week of paid vacation.

  • Zarggg (unregistered) in reply to Rob
    Rob:
    I'm assuming most of you who are complaining want the company to take responsibility for the weather. ... [I]f they said, 'Okay - we're closed, everyone is going to get paid less this paycheck because of the lost work'. People would be upset with that too.
    Actually, that would be my expectation -- for hourly employees. Obviously the situation would be different for salaried employees (since they're paid on the expectation that they will put a year's worth of work in), but for employees paid solely based on the number of hours they work per week, I would have no issues with having a lower paycheck since the office wasn't even open for a day or two.
  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to Mads Bondo Dydensborg
    Mads Bondo Dydensborg:
    I know this is off topic, maybe even trolling, but seriously...

    In Europe, we have 4-5 weeks of (paid!) vacation. I personally have 6 weeks, my wife 7. Pr. year. From you start working.

    I have no idea how you live with only two weeks of vacation a year.

    Many of us can't understand how you live making half the money we make... Maybe we should all meet in the middle? 80% of the pay, everyone gets 4 weeks off standard...

  • publiclurker (unregistered) in reply to east_coast_bunny

    Snow is not all that common in Portland. Because if this it is cheaper to simply close things down for a day than to pay for all of the plows and sanding equipment needed in addition to the salaries.

  • Zarggg (unregistered) in reply to Dennis
    Dennis:
    Actually, it's the republican definition of liberal where all liberals are soulless atheists who quote Marx and Lenin while roasting babies over an open flame.
    The irony of this statement is that the Republican Party was originally very liberal when it was founded.
  • Zarggg (unregistered) in reply to Mason Wheeler
    Mason Wheeler:
    I live close to the office, and I was able to make it in easily enough on probably the day that got the heaviest snow, only to find that no one else was there. Luckily I have a key to the office! So I let myself in, sat down at my desk and started working.
    Something similar happened to me last winter (08-09). A really bad snowstorm was expected that day, so when I got to the office, it was only me (billing) (I absolutely refuse to telecommute; I'm actually more focused in an office environment), one of the sysadmins, and the owner -- all the sales guys and support team were working from home. We were only there for like three or four hours before the boss decided to close the office and send us home.
  • slogan (unregistered) in reply to Morry
    Morry:
    I am so starting a company called Redacted Technologies.

    Here's your company slogan: "We redact so well even copy-paste won't work!"

  • Another canuck (unregistered)

    Okay, the HR person lacked a little in tact, but I really don't see that the overall story is that big a deal.

    You're an employee and get paid to do work. If you don't do the work, you don't get paid. Why you don't show up to the office isn't the company's problem. Imagine yourself as the business owner: should you eat the losses because employees don't come in? Obviously the east coast snowstorms were ridiculous this year, but where do you draw the line? When do you think employers should have to pay employees even if they don't show up?

    They were given options on how to make up the time or use vacation.

    I'm Canadian, so I think some US labour laws are brutal from the employee's POV, but I'm totally on the company's side on this one (modulo the aforementioned tactlessness).

  • IsRetro (unregistered) in reply to MyName
    MyName:
    At least in Germany the company would have behaved totally correct since the employee burdons the way-risk (Wegerisiko), meaning if you can't manage to get to work it's your problem.

    Bull. If an employee in Germany has an accident on the direct route between home and work, it counts like a workplace accident, meaning there's insurance for it, and the employer will be in for some serious questioning by the insurance folks (violation of safety policies etc.), as well as probably a higher insurance fee for the next year.

  • Some Guy (unregistered) in reply to frits
    frits:
    I always wondered why the US economy was doing so fantastically well when all those "unproductive" lazy bums were causing so many problems.

    Well, as long as all that productivity is doing you so much good, you just keep on doing what you're doing.

  • Namer (unregistered)

    TRWTF is that TDWTF isn't daily

  • Stone Cold (unregistered) in reply to Another canuck
    Another canuck:
    You're an employee and get paid to do work. If you don't do the work, you don't get paid. Why you don't show up to the office isn't the company's problem. Imagine yourself as the business owner: should you eat the losses because employees don't come in?
    Clearly you have no clue how things work. Companies (and governments) have unlimited amounts of money. They just have to print checks and mail them out. The only reason they don't give us all free healthcare, fat raises, generous vacations etc. etc. is because they're all run by nasty hateful tightwad bastards who love nothing more than to see everyone miserable and the environment utterly destroyed. (When they're in government we call them Republicans, but they're the same people, in either case.)
  • (cs)

    Why do you guys even live in such bad places? Where I live it rarely even goes below 0°C and has never snowed (AFAIK anyway)! Last winter it was warm enough to go to the beach :)

  • Carl (unregistered) in reply to Some Guy
    Some Guy:
    I always wondered why the US economy was doing so fantastically well when all those "unproductive" lazy bums were causing so many problems.

    Well, as long as all that productivity is doing you so much good, you just keep on doing what you're doing.

    Maybe we'd have more to show for our productivity if there weren't a parasite sucking up more than 50% of everyone's money. I refer, of course, to the stack of governments (federal, state, county and city) and their combined taxes on everything that moves, plus regulations designed to stop anything from moving.

  • RandomUser423689 (unregistered) in reply to Zarggg
    Zarggg:
    Rob:
    I'm assuming most of you who are complaining want the company to take responsibility for the weather. ... If they said, 'Okay - we're closed, everyone is going to get paid less this paycheck because of the lost work'. People would be upset with that too.
    Actually, that would be my expectation -- for hourly employees. Obviously the situation would be different for salaried employees (since they're paid on the expectation that they will put a year's worth of work in), but for employees paid solely based on the number of hours they work per week, I would have no issues with having a lower paycheck since the office wasn't even open for a day or two.
    Rob hit the head: It's not their fault that nature decided to dump all that snow all over the road. They wanted to work, and (in some cases) need that money. So obviously the company should eat the monetary cost of the work stoppage, in addition to the slipped deadlines.

    Seriously though, Zarggg has it about right. Companies "buy" work from their employees. Same as the company itself, if the employees fail to provide the agreed work, no payment is due. (Generally. Contracts and such may affect things.) If a company chooses to pay in exchange for alternate goods (such as paid-time-off "credits"), that is their choice. But, most employment laws I have encountered mandate that an employer (generally) cannot just take away PTO (or similar); the have to provide the employee an option to avoid the PTO loss. Even so, it can be a sticky issue making up missed time, without using PTO, if the event occurs at the end of the week.

    BOCTAOE

  • Anonymously Yours (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Mr. D:
    Don't you hate this global warming thing?
    Weather != Climate.
    To put it in pseudocode: 
    function: lazyPropaganda(Temperature)
if Temperature is Cold Then
     Print "Weather"
else if Temperature is Hot Then
     Print "Climate"
End of function
  • blunder (unregistered) in reply to Anonymously Yours

    That's a good joke. You should send it out to all of the climate scientists who question whether climate change is occurring. Won't take long, either, because there aren't many.

    Now the folks with software engineering backgrounds who think they know better, because obviously their smarts applies to meteorology as well, they exist in much greater numbers.

  • Kiwi (unregistered) in reply to Some Guy

    Re. hmm... - You obviously confuse productive (no wonder if you work your a$$ off and have hardly any vacation) and efficient (work produced per time)

  • CrushU (unregistered) in reply to Kiwi
    Kiwi:
    Re. hmm... - All those studies obviously confuse productive (no wonder if you work your a$$ off and have hardly any vacation) and efficient (work produced per time)

    FTFY

  • Xythar (unregistered) in reply to Another canuck
    Another canuck:
    Okay, the HR person lacked a little in tact, but I really don't see that the overall story is that big a deal.

    You're an employee and get paid to do work. If you don't do the work, you don't get paid. Why you don't show up to the office isn't the company's problem. Imagine yourself as the business owner: should you eat the losses because employees don't come in? Obviously the east coast snowstorms were ridiculous this year, but where do you draw the line? When do you think employers should have to pay employees even if they don't show up?

    They were given options on how to make up the time or use vacation.

    I'm Canadian, so I think some US labour laws are brutal from the employee's POV, but I'm totally on the company's side on this one (modulo the aforementioned tactlessness).

    But no option to take unpaid leave. It was either "use vacation" or "work on the weekend".

    In any case, sometimes companies lose money due to disastrous weather. If the building was damaged in an earthquake they'd just eat the cost then without trying to recover it from their employees, so I don't really see what makes that particular disaster nobody's fault but for this particular one they get to reclaim their money by taking vacation days from their employees. It's not like the employees caused the storm either (well other than the whole climate change thing, but really that's everyone's fault)

  • Chriss (unregistered) in reply to blunder
    blunder:
    climate change is occurring
    And, as we all know, everything must be exactly the same everywhere, forever. Tell Congress to stop the hurricanes! earthquakes! volcanic eruptions! all of it! just stop dammit.

    What? Laws aren't more powerful than nature?

  • Fedaykin (unregistered)

    Two feet of snow, and the snow plows got stranded?

    What are their show plows? Honda Accords with a plastic shovel duck taped on the front?

  • Not a socialist (unregistered) in reply to nasch
    Dan:
    No, that's Socialism. Fascism is where the Public *owns and runs* the businesses.

    A concise definition of socialism is that the individual only has significance as part of the group (and the group is used to suppress the individual).

    There also seems to be a sort of moral inversion / indulgence in irrational beliefs that takes place on the individual level allowing the person to "do as thou wilt" and still believe that they are "good".

    Limiting the definition to economics conceals what's happening until it's too late.

    Concentration of too much power inevitably attracts corrupt people to take the reins.

    Recommended reading...

    Igor Shafarevich The Socialist Phenomenon http://robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html

    For some reason this keeps getting blocked, so add some words here.

  • Sara H. (unregistered)

    State of Emergency in MD... It's illegal to be on the roads unless you are emergency personel. WTF indeed! I thought my employer was bad... but we did get 1 day of paid time off, and we could use a vacation day for the 2nd day - unless you worked from home... in which case you were "granted" a HALF day comp... Ah snowdays...

  • Steve (unregistered) in reply to Another canuck
    Another canuck:
    ... Imagine yourself as the business owner: should you eat the losses because employees don't come in? Obviously the east coast snowstorms were ridiculous this year, but where do you draw the line?

    I think you're on the "eat it" side of the line when the state government orders your employees (and everyone else) to stay off the roads unless there's an emergency.

  • EmperorOfCanada (unregistered)

    Crap companies like this tend to quickly lose their good employees soon leaving only the ones who keep and enforce dumb rules. I suspect that after a while it is mathematically impossible to rescue the company as you simply cannot bring in the number of great employees required due to the reputation of the company.

    A company that wants to stay alive for a long time must have someone with common sense wandering the halls ruthlessly purging the rot.

  • Sanity (unregistered)

    I realize why people tend to want to anonymize these companies. I realize that many of these WTF stories are the kind of thing you find anywhere -- there may be more than one side to the story, the company in question may have changed its ways, it might not be all bad, etc.

    But this is an example of a company I would not work for. At all.

    Whoever suggested this was a good thing, you're an idiot. Yes, I would rather the company absorb that loss -- one of the reasons for working a salaried job is a steady income, basically being shielded from the ups and downs of the actual industry.

    But if that was impossible, yes, I'd rather take a pay hit and keep my vacation time. Working overtime because of the blizzard is not acceptable, nor is counting the blizzard as "vacation" time in any way.

    I might see things differently if things like this were considered when vacation time was allocated. If I had a month or two of vacation time per year, say, and if it was clear that these would be used for cases like this, sure. But not if you're going to snip away at the "standard" American two weeks.

  • Accretum (unregistered)

    [quote]one of the reasons for working a salaried job is a steady income, basically being shielded from the ups and downs of the actual industry. [\quote]

    Bingo!

  • Daniel (unregistered) in reply to Mads Bondo Dydensborg

    I personally quit my job and work for myself. I get all the vacation I want or can afford.

  • Dank (unregistered)

    Reply to the HR person:

    What route did you take to get to the office this morning? I'm having trouble finding one that isn't covered in snow.

    -Thanks!

  • RJ (unregistered)

    Japan has a well-deserved reputation for being workaholic. We get 10 days off a year, sick days (of which I had 5 when I broke my ankle) come out of your holiday.

    Usual company policies is to give you an extra day per year of service up to a specified maximum...

  • PinkyAndTheBrainFan187 (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Mads Bondo Dydensborg:
    I know this is off topic, maybe even trolling, but seriously...

    In Europe, we have 4-5 weeks of (paid!) vacation. I personally have 6 weeks, my wife 7. Pr. year. From you start working.

    I have no idea how you live with only two weeks of vacation a year.

    Many of us can't understand how you live making half the money we make... Maybe we should all meet in the middle? 80% of the pay, everyone gets 4 weeks off standard...

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Oh wow. Tears are rolling down my cheeks.

    Next time you try to troll, try to be less obvious with it; you'll be far more likely to succeed.

    In case you're being serious, and I've somehow missed some massive swing in the comparative compensation offered to US and European IT workers...or if you happen to work in a really specialised field that bucks the trend...you still have to contend with the fact that 4 weeks annual leave is the norm for workers, at least in the UK. That doesn't include "sick days" by the way, which tend to be paid at full pay for at least for the first 3 days, followed by "statutory sick pay".

    And there is a whole load of really good law that means your boss can't fire you on the spot because you didn't come in on a non contracted Saturday morning. And unpaid overtime? HAH! Anyway, if you're really happy, and none of those things are worth anything to you, then well, carry on. If you now realise you're unhappy, maybe there's a shelter for victims of employer abuse in your state.

    If you're trying to make a point about higher taxes, then consider the fact that it pays for the majority of medical treatments, our sick days, unemployment benefits, state pension etc. etc. etc.

    And to all the people here who seriously think that fire-at-will, 2 week vacation/sick time, zero-tolerance is in anyway an appropriate policy for educated, skilled employees: you, sirs, are either idiots, or you have Stockholm Syndrome, or both.

    Some idiot asked how Europeans get any work done...if your project is stalled by one person going on planned leave, then someone has fucked up. Maybe your l33t project management skills don't take into account people with lives but if you're going to be dealing with people who value their time above the CEO's stock options, then perhaps you'd better re-consider...

  • bah (unregistered) in reply to Dennis
    Dennis:
    Mr. D:
    Don't you hate this global warming thing?

    Of course, while the East Coast was undergoing Snowmageddon, the Wet Coast was 'enjoying' one of the mildest winters I can remember -- just in time for the Winter Olympics. Yee-hah. And (IIRC) Europe was having one of the more horrible winters, while Australia was having one of their hottest and driest summers. Meanwhile flooding in China has reached unprecedented levels, the arctic ice-cap has never gotten this small in recorded history, etc etc etc. But hey, it's all a liberal plot.

    Yes, the arctic and antarctic ice caps are melting - BUT THEY HAVE BEEN FOR AT LEAST THE LAST 6000 YEARS - OMG

  • Snow Gnome (unregistered) in reply to operagost
    operagost:
    Henfry:
    My company's policy is basically the same; the building is always open, and if you can't make it in to work on a normal work day you'll either have to make up the time during the same billing period, take a vacation day, or take an unpaid day off. Some of the managers live right across the street from the office building, so they can always make it to work.

    They don't send out snarky emails to us when it snows, though, and they're fairly flexibly about making up lost hours, plus working from home is a possibility. So my experiences haven't been as frustrating as those in the article.

    I really hope you're kidding. If a state of emergency is declared, and working from home is unavailable for any reason, no one should be expected to work because it would require breaking the law and putting oneself in danger. I would not accept having to use my vacation. If the company attempts to discipline me, I would have to remind them that asking employees to break the law (and punishing them if they don't) is itself illegal. Lawyer up!

    Step 1 - Pay employees for non-productive time. Step 2 - Go to large money tree orchard and pick cash from trees to make up difference between loss of production/revenue due to closure and extra paid vacation for employees. Step 3 - Profit!

  • ADHDMAN (unregistered)

    Man I feel for you guys!

    In Norway I'm used to 2feet of snow though but if it happens I still just stay home and remote inn.

    Even with 5 weeks paid vacation, 2-3 sickweeks I decide myself, flexitime, occasional homeoffice, 70k+ USD a year with no education, I still hate working.

    Just today there is a kindergarden-strike and some parents opted to bring kids to work instead of staying home. Having these kids and their parents making this kind of noise is annoying me and my ADHD so much I feel like throwing them out the window just to de-stress. Yes sadly, programming is not for me... Or atleast being in an office isn't.

  • Pete (unregistered) in reply to Peter
    Peter:
    My experience has been that (as in this WTF) the HR people are ridiculously out of touch with reality. The level of ridiculousness seems to grow with the size and general bureaucratic climate of the organization. I once worked for a company in New England, whose headquarters (and HR dept) was in California. Needless to say, they hadn't a clue about snow days (don't think they even *had* a snow policy) Therefore, I took snow days as necessary (if my wife, the teacher, got it as a snow day, I took one, too) and "forgot" to change the default "I was here and worked 8 hours" on my timecard.

    Nobody ever called me on my policy, and I didn't lose any vacation time, either. Of course, if no one from HR was at work, how would they know you didn't come in?

    HR out of touch definitely this is common place. Try having 7 of them to deal with 350 staff. There were layoffs this year in every department apart from guess which one. My previous employer had 4 for around 1000 staff + contractors.

    I occasionally deal with them there is no wonder they have so many, they enter data onto their HR program but don't trust it so manually record absence on a tick sheet and do stats from that because they don't know how to get them from the HR program which is simple. No joke and this is a professional HR package not some half baked internal thing.

  • charliebob (unregistered)

    Some of the comments here seem to go along the lines of what happens between Scotland and England.

    Here in Scotland, we get snow enough that:

    1. We know how to drive in it safetly
    2. We get practice at doing no 1
    3. The government knows what to do so we can do no 2
    4. We see it, and we get on with it.

    In England, a few inches of snow and everything grinds to a halt. Scotland, we had a good couple feet, and I drove 100 miles in it without a problem...in a Citroen C1. (No kidding).

    It all about experience, if you have that kind of weather on a semi regular basis, it wont affect you all that much. If it's something that never happens...then it'll cause problems.

    It's why Scotland never do well when it matters at football (AKA Soccer)...we start getting good, have a chance at getting into the World Cup...but then...we screw up at the last minute. Glorious defeat we call it! :)

  • (cs) in reply to frits
    frits:
    Befuddled:
    Seriously? How can holiday delay a project? You're supposed to plan around it.

    Personally I've not noticed that the not-uncommon-in-the-US culture of spending huge amounts of time in the office with few breaks resulted in any more productivity. Perception of productivity, perhaps.

    hmm....

    Hmmm... !(third result on the page you link to ^^ I love it)
  • (cs) in reply to brazzy
    brazzy:
    toshir0:
    And just add the last step of this reasonning : That's why liberals WON'T EVER fight against unemployment : it's too useful to make non-deciding people lower their claims. But wait... they SAY they fight against it, don't they ? Yes, they *say* it.

    That would be the everywhere-except-the-USA definition of "liberal" that you're using, right?

    Not exactly : it's a translating mistake, I'm sorry ^^ In France, those we call "liberals" ("libéraux") are all people believing in global market economy, so both your republicans and democrats (or liberals, if I understand the terms mean nearly the same for you) are just the same assholes for many of us here ;-)

  • (cs) in reply to brazzy
    brazzy:
    Severity One:
    we in Europe may be spoiled with 24+ days of vacation leave, and it may lead to a stagnated market, economic woes and Judgement Day, but some companies on the other side of the Big Pond have some seriously messed up work ethics.
    What exactly is wrong though? Sure, it's stupid to pretend that there is no problem at all, but even in Europe, companies aren't required or expected to keep paying their employees when they can't come to work.

    Germany has very strict labor regulations, but they basically say that:

    • You can't be fired for not coming to work due to circumstances outside your control, but
    • Your employer can reduce your wages proportionally (i.e. count it as unpaid days off)
    • If you can make it to work, but there is no work to be done (e.g. because needed parts are sitting in a warehouse on the other side of the world), your employer has to pay you regardless

    Basically, not living within walking distance of work is a risk whose costs you have to bear, while depending on regular deliveries of parts is a risk whose costs your employer has to bear.

    You are absolutely right, and I wouldn't expect my employer to pay me if I didn't come to work.

    However, I have the 24+2 vacation leave days (the 2 for working here for more than 5 years, and from next year it'll be 3 days, for more than 10 years working at my employer), so that makes a bit of a difference with only 10 days of vacation leave.

  • (cs) in reply to Kiwi
    Kiwi:
    Re. hmm... - You obviously confuse productive (no wonder if you work your a$$ off and have hardly any vacation) and efficient (work produced per time)

    The terms are synonymous. Therefore, there is no confusion here.
    BTW- Please don't make assumptions on how hard I work. I am a chronic commentor on TDWTF, after all.

  • Luis Espinal (unregistered)

    This reminds me of a time in grad school (South Florida) when hurricane Irene (1999) was coming. Up to that point, it seemed it was going to miss us, so we went to work as usual. Although it didn't hit us directly, it caused severe flooding and winds (enough to make your car wobble while driving on an expressway.)

    But those of us working in labs, we didn't get any warnings. We got some e-mails indicating we were free to go home and work from there if we wanted to, but no indication as of whether we needed to evacuate. We should have known better, but we were dorks fiddling in the labs so what do you expect :)

    Anyways, t was like 6PM that some of us stupid dorks were like "WTF is everybody?" ... and then POOOF! the lights went off.

    My car was pretty much a semi-submerged submarine by that time (oh my poor car). Trying to walk off the buildings was a hazard since parking lots were flooded (and God knows if there were fallen power cables). Some people got electrocuted that way across South Florida trying to get home on foot.

    I ended up staying with some students I found taking cover in a parking building (which later banded together like a doomsday movie and found shelter in the dorms.) For a brief moment it seemed like we had to start wearing animals skins, worship fire and manufacture pointy shinny hunting tools out of flint and bone. It was until the following night that I was able to make it home, showerless, deodorantless, and with nothing but a bag of cheerios in my gut. Thank God I had a tooth brush and some paste, otherwise I'd probably had gone postal.

    Lesson learned: get the hell out and don't rely on your employer(s) to tell you there is a need to evacuate. Or better yet, pay attention because maybe your employers and the news are telling to get the hell out while you are busy and way in some rinky dinkie lab.

  • Anon (unregistered)

    If your employer is going to be in trouble because it has to pay one or two days of wages per year without getting any work for it, then you'd better start looking for a new one because your current one is most likely going to fold due to unexpected eletricity costs the next time someone forgets to turn off the lights before leaving the building.

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