The Daily WTF: Curious Perversions in Information Technology

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

N. Tufnel:
boog:
But is there any real reason to advise the user to log in? Compromise: leave the code exactly the way it is and just change the failure message to say "Congrats dipshit, you are now logged out."
Problem: Solved.

But... if they're not logged in, how can you let them log out?

Same reason that you have to click the start button to stop windows :)

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

hoodaticus:
nobody:
hoodaticus:
Kerpo Sparx:
TRWTF is toll roads.
TRRWTF is that every road isn't a toll road. Why should I pay for a street I never use?
Why should those without cars be forced at gunpoint to pay for highways?
If you don't like the services that our country provides in exchange for your tax dollars, then you're quite welcome to choose another country more to your satisfaction. Free market at work, man.
That doesn't sound "free" to me.

Free as in beer?

hoodaticus · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

Anon:
hoodaticus:
Meep:
Anon:
hoodaticus:
Kerpo Sparx:
TRWTF is toll roads.
TRRWTF is that every road isn't a toll road. Why should I pay for a street I never use?
Why should those without cars be forced at gunpoint to pay for highways?

So you'll gladly pay the tolls if you ever need an ambulance then?

You don't think you're paying for the gas the ambulance uses, the maintenance, etc.? Would it really be that hard for the ambulance company to add a transponder bill into the mix?

If all roads are tolled automatically, by some combination of cameras, plate scanning, and GPS. When a road gets busy, the prices go up right away, and everyone's GPS is constantly considering better routes, so traffic is routed away from jams and accidents before cars are even on the roads. And the busiest roads are naturally going to have the most funds for improvements.

This is the sort of thing markets are ideal for.
It certainly beats armed robbery.

How many armed robbers allow you to walk away at any time and stop paying them?

Why should I have to flee the land I own, in my homeland, to get away from your extortion racket? What perverted sense of justice do you have that demands the victim accommodate the robber?

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

hoodaticus:
blarg:
hoodaticus:
TRRWTF is that every road isn't a toll road. Why should I pay for a street I never use?
Why should those without cars be forced at gunpoint to pay for highways?

have you ever eaten food that was transported on highways, bought merchandise which was transported on highways, had friends visit who travelled on highways etc etc?

We all benefit from them, even if not by directly driving on them. This is why we all have a vested interest in them and should all help pay for them - even if our personal benefit is not as great as those who drive on them regularly
"We all benefit" can justify socialization of any good. Are you a communist? Or do you just think like one?

The threat of force in taxation is morally wrong. To be morally justified, it has to solve a problem bigger than the armed robbery you support. Things like national defense might fit the bill. "I don't like to pay tolls" does not justify armed robbery.

When a man goes out and robs his neighbor at gunpoint, everyone is disgusted. But if you slap a symbol of authority on him, suddenly the sheeple all nod in approval.

ok, you're just a boring troll now. A bit disappointing as I thought there might be a real debate to be had.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

hoodaticus:
Kerpo Sparx:
TRWTF is toll roads.
TRRWTF is that every road isn't a toll road. Why should I pay for a street I never use?
Why should those without cars be forced at gunpoint to pay for highways?

So you can continue to not purchase a car, not pay for auto maintenance, and not pay for auto insurance. There's a lot of infrastructure that makes that possible, and it depends on the road system. How do you think your groceries, your clothes, your furniture gets to you? How do you think the people who service your utilities get to them, so you can enjoy electricity, water, and waste removal? Either all that comes to you, or you have to go to all that. Either way the highways play a big part.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

N. Tufnel:
boog:
But is there any real reason to advise the user to log in? Compromise: leave the code exactly the way it is and just change the failure message to say "Congrats dipshit, you are now logged out."
Problem: Solved.

But... if they're not logged in, how can you let them log out?

C-Octothorpe:
blarg:
GodsBoss:
What's wrong with the first one? I once wrote a Web application where /login was the URL for the login and /logout was the URL for the logout. If you weren't logged in, there was no link to /logout and if you were logged in, there was no link to /login, but of course you could just type "/login" or "/logout" into the URL bar (and anyone could link to it).
So in this case there was a message like "You must be logged in to log out. Log in?" (I don't remember exactly)

Or is the existence of a logout button when you're not logged in the WTF? "Medal of Honor" sounds like a game or an application for managing military decorations.

The problem is that you are sending an error message simply for the sake of sending an error message. If they are already logged out, then just tell them they are now logged out. Is it really that hard? Why take the effort to create a failure message which achieves nothing of benefit.

I disagree. The user is attempting to perform an action that requires them to be logged in (i.e. authorized), and you can't logout() if you're not authorized. I suppose to can create some logic around this, but why? It's correct as-is: in order to invoke logout(), you need to be logged in. Same as in order to saveProfile(), you need to be logged in. I realize this may sound kind of silly, but the second you start adding in crap like this
if requesting logout() && !loggedIn then, else...
, you have started the ball rolling on creating an maintenance nightmare because I'm sure you'll find another edge case that "sounds silly". That's OK, I'll just add another else if...

You are both forgetting the purpose of the software. This is not a test of softwares theoretical logical correctness - it is a game, for real people, who probably want to relax and enjoy themselves. If they want to log out of a game, don't tell them that they are silly and "the correct process to perform a logout given the current state is to sign in using the correct username/password and then click the logout button again.", just let them be logged out.

hoodaticus · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

anonymouse:
hoodaticus:
Kerpo Sparx:
TRWTF is toll roads.
TRRWTF is that every road isn't a toll road. Why should I pay for a street I never use?
Why should those without cars be forced at gunpoint to pay for highways?

So you can continue to not purchase a car, not pay for auto maintenance, and not pay for auto insurance. There's a lot of infrastructure that makes that possible, and it depends on the road system. How do you think your groceries, your clothes, your furniture gets to you? How do you think the people who service your utilities get to them, so you can enjoy electricity, water, and waste removal? Either all that comes to you, or you have to go to all that. Either way the highways play a big part.

What are you talking about? I never opposed highways.

hoodaticus · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

blarg:
hoodaticus:
blarg:
hoodaticus:
TRRWTF is that every road isn't a toll road. Why should I pay for a street I never use?
Why should those without cars be forced at gunpoint to pay for highways?

have you ever eaten food that was transported on highways, bought merchandise which was transported on highways, had friends visit who travelled on highways etc etc?

We all benefit from them, even if not by directly driving on them. This is why we all have a vested interest in them and should all help pay for them - even if our personal benefit is not as great as those who drive on them regularly
"We all benefit" can justify socialization of any good. Are you a communist? Or do you just think like one?

The threat of force in taxation is morally wrong. To be morally justified, it has to solve a problem bigger than the armed robbery you support. Things like national defense might fit the bill. "I don't like to pay tolls" does not justify armed robbery.

When a man goes out and robs his neighbor at gunpoint, everyone is disgusted. But if you slap a symbol of authority on him, suddenly the sheeple all nod in approval.

ok, you're just a boring troll now. A bit disappointing as I thought there might be a real debate to be had.

So I ask you to explain what makes your worldview different from communism, and you call me a troll. Let's call that a forfeiture.

Addendum (2011-04-25 14:45): But I agree, this is pretty boring.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

hoodaticus:
Why should I have to flee the land I own, in my homeland, to get away from your extortion racket? What perverted sense of justice do you have that demands the victim accommodate the robber?

On what basis do you say you own that land? What's involved in "owning" here?

Put simply, we do not live in the state of nature. If we begin with absolute Hobbesian freedom, then our current state, the state under which we happily develop products for people we don't know expecting that those people will somehow get money to us which we can save in nice safe banks and spend on nice cars to drive on nice roads, is the result of trading away some of our liberties for security.

If you want to live in the war of all against all, fine. Do it somewhere else. I don't, and I think all of my neighbors would agree that we prefer to pay taxes and support a state in which we can live out lives to a stateless anarchy in which, paying no taxes, we instead live lives that are solitary, nasty, brutish, and short. Good luck with your anarchist paradise, but you're going to have to try it somewhere else. I know it won't fly in my neighborhood.

hoodaticus · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

I am not arguing for anarchy. I am arguing against statism. There comes a point in the long process of socialization that people wake up and realize they are no longer free.

I want the most amount of freedom and the least amount of government that is compatible with an advanced civil society.

I never said that there should be no taxes, only that they should be justified in light of the fact that taxation is theft. If it takes taxation to keep people from living lives that are "solitary, nasty, brutish, and short", then I favor the minimum amount of taxes necessary to stave off that threat - and not one penny more.

We were talking about toll roads. In what way do toll roads cause people to "live lives that are solitary, nasty, brutish, and short"?

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

i can haz new wtf?

boog · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

N. Tufnel:
boog:
But is there any real reason to advise the user to log in? Compromise: leave the code exactly the way it is and just change the failure message to say "Congrats dipshit, you are now logged out."
Problem: Solved.

But... if they're not logged in, how can you let them log out?

Did I say to log them out? No, I believe I said to leave the code exactly the way it is, other than changing the failure message reported to them.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
hoodaticus:
Why should I have to flee the land I own, in my homeland, to get away from your extortion racket? What perverted sense of justice do you have that demands the victim accommodate the robber?

On what basis do you say you own that land? What's involved in "owning" here?

Put simply, we do not live in the state of nature. If we begin with absolute Hobbesian freedom, then our current state, the state under which we happily develop products for people we don't know expecting that those people will somehow get money to us which we can save in nice safe banks and spend on nice cars to drive on nice roads, is the result of trading away some of our liberties for security.

If you want to live in the war of all against all, fine. Do it somewhere else. I don't, and I think all of my neighbors would agree that we prefer to pay taxes and support a state in which we can live out lives to a stateless anarchy in which, paying no taxes, we instead live lives that are solitary, nasty, brutish, and short. Good luck with your anarchist paradise, but you're going to have to try it somewhere else. I know it won't fly in my neighborhood.

One must first think about how we got to this point.

Years ago, a group of people decided to live together and follow a certain set of rules to maintain that mutually beneficial arrangement (social contract theory).

But over time, as the generation came up, we then had people who were expected to live by those rules that never actually agreed to them. They were born into it.

Since those people were born in our country (whichever country), they have a natural "right" to live there, but they also have the "right" to follow only rules they agree to.

See a problem? The country has to be re-invented every couple of decades by people who have no experience running a country.

First order of business: Do away with these silly (and totally unrealistic/unnatural) notions of freedom of choice and human rights.

frits · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

You gotta pay the troll toll, if you want to get into that boy's soul.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

Anon:
But over time, as the generation came up, we then had people who were expected to live by those rules that never actually agreed to them. They were born into it.
Since those people were born in our country (whichever country), they have a natural "right" to live there, but they also have the "right" to follow only rules they agree to.

See a problem? The country has to be re-invented every couple of decades by people who have no experience running a country.

First order of business: Do away with these silly (and totally unrealistic/unnatural) notions of freedom of choice and human rights.

Dude... that's seriously the best explanation I've heard yet for how the tea party happened. You, sir, rock.

boog · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

hoodaticus:
anonymouse:
hoodaticus:
Kerpo Sparx:
TRWTF is toll roads.
TRRWTF is that every road isn't a toll road. Why should I pay for a street I never use?
Why should those without cars be forced at gunpoint to pay for highways?

So you can continue to not purchase a car, not pay for auto maintenance, and not pay for auto insurance. There's a lot of infrastructure that makes that possible, and it depends on the road system. How do you think your groceries, your clothes, your furniture gets to you? How do you think the people who service your utilities get to them, so you can enjoy electricity, water, and waste removal? Either all that comes to you, or you have to go to all that. Either way the highways play a big part.
What are you talking about? I never opposed highways.

Nope, just opposed having to pay for them. Which is fine; highways can easily be constructed/maintained without the cash to fund/support them, right?

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

boog:
N. Tufnel:
boog:
But is there any real reason to advise the user to log in? Compromise: leave the code exactly the way it is and just change the failure message to say "Congrats dipshit, you are now logged out."
Problem: Solved.

But... if they're not logged in, how can you let them log out?
Did I say to log them out? No, I believe I said to leave the code exactly the way it is, other than changing the failure message reported to them.

No, I think you should log them out again. That way, they're even more logged out. They're so logged out that the next time they want to log in, they have to log in twice.

boog · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

N. Tufnel:
boog:
Did I say to log them out? No, I believe I said to leave the code exactly the way it is, other than changing the failure message reported to them.

No, I think you should log them out again. That way, they're even more logged out. They're so logged out that the next time they want to log in, they have to log in twice.

What? HowTF would you log them out? They aren't authorized!

If you just go logging people out willy-nilly without verifying their identities, hackers would go on some kind of hacking-spree, logging out all kinds of not-logged-in users. Imagine the turmoil!

hoodaticus · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

boog:
hoodaticus:
anonymouse:
hoodaticus:
Kerpo Sparx:
TRWTF is toll roads.
TRRWTF is that every road isn't a toll road. Why should I pay for a street I never use?
Why should those without cars be forced at gunpoint to pay for highways?

So you can continue to not purchase a car, not pay for auto maintenance, and not pay for auto insurance. There's a lot of infrastructure that makes that possible, and it depends on the road system. How do you think your groceries, your clothes, your furniture gets to you? How do you think the people who service your utilities get to them, so you can enjoy electricity, water, and waste removal? Either all that comes to you, or you have to go to all that. Either way the highways play a big part.
What are you talking about? I never opposed highways.
Nope, just opposed having to pay for them. Which is fine; highways can easily be constructed/maintained without the cash to fund/support them, right?

I forgot that the toll you pay at the toll road goes to pay for drugs. My bad.

P.S. - Stop feeding me.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

boog:
N. Tufnel:
boog:
Did I say to log them out? No, I believe I said to leave the code exactly the way it is, other than changing the failure message reported to them.

No, I think you should log them out again. That way, they're even more logged out. They're so logged out that the next time they want to log in, they have to log in twice.
What? HowTF would you log them out? They aren't authorized!

If you just go logging people out willy-nilly without verifying their identities, hackers would go on some kind of hacking-spree, logging out all kinds of not-logged-in users. Imagine the turmoil!

But... this logging out is ONE LOGGED-OUT-ER. They're EVEN MORE LOGGED OUT. Look, you don't get it. Your usual logging out only goes to 1 - you're either logged out, or you're not. And then when you log someone out, that's it. There's no more logged out that they can be. But if you do it my way, when you really need to go that extra mile, you just reach over, and you LOG THEM OUT AGAIN. And then you increment the logged-out counter. See, your ordinary logging out only goes to 01. Mine goes to 10.

frits · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

boog:
N. Tufnel:
boog:
Did I say to log them out? No, I believe I said to leave the code exactly the way it is, other than changing the failure message reported to them.

No, I think you should log them out again. That way, they're even more logged out. They're so logged out that the next time they want to log in, they have to log in twice.
What? HowTF would you log them out? They aren't authorized!

If you just go logging people out willy-nilly without verifying their identities, hackers would go on some kind of hacking-spree, logging out all kinds of not-logged-in users. Imagine the turmoil!

Great. One more DOS attack to worry about.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

Why should those who are already logged out [b]be forced at gunpoint [\b] to log in and log out!?

boog · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

hoodaticus:
boog:
Nope, just opposed having to pay for them. Which is fine; highways can easily be constructed/maintained without the cash to fund/support them, right?
I forgot that the toll you pay at the toll road goes to pay for drugs. My bad.

It's understandable that you would overlook this. Only about 70-80% goes to drugs; I think some of what's left goes toward construction and maintenance. Unfortunately, since the toll roads only get funding from tolls and never from anything else, this means they can only proceed with paving the road as they receive money to cover the costs, which is why toll roads are always constructed at extremely slow rates. Every time they get another driver, they get a couple bucks, so they can extend the road a few more feet. I hear the hardest part is getting started; apparently not many drivers will pay a toll for a road that doesn't exist yet. What a bunch of cheapskates!

hoodaticus:
P.S. - Stop feeding me.

But you're so cute. And such crazy hair too!

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

oh fail. i lose.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

boog:
If you just go logging people out willy-nilly without verifying their identities, hackers would go on some kind of hacking-spree, logging out all kinds of not-logged-in users. Imagine the turmoil!

I'm imagining the lulz that will ensue. I'm gonna go look for websites that log people out willy-nilly and go log people out.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

hoodaticus:
So I ask you to explain what makes your worldview different from communism, and you call me a troll. Let's call that a forfeiture.

The fact that I think all people benefit from roads makes me a communist?

That's why I think you are trolling. That statement is absurd and I think we can all see that.

Do you think that all people benefit from education? oh, I guess you are a communist too!

frits · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

The road to Hell was paved with good intentions. It's also toll-free.

boog · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

frits:
The road to Hell was paved with good intentions. It's also toll-free.

Yeah, but it's always packed. If they procured funds at gunpoint, perhaps they could add more lanes?

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

boog:
frits:
The road to Hell was paved with good intentions. It's also toll-free.
Yeah, but it's always packed. If they procured funds at gunpoint, perhaps they could add more lanes?

They could at the very least get rid of that pot-hole I'm always hitting on my morning commute...

You know, the same one that spills scalding hot coffee on my genitals.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

boog:
C-Octothorpe:
blarg:
GodsBoss:
What's wrong with the first one? I once wrote a Web application where /login was the URL for the login and /logout was the URL for the logout. If you weren't logged in, there was no link to /logout and if you were logged in, there was no link to /login, but of course you could just type "/login" or "/logout" into the URL bar (and anyone could link to it).
So in this case there was a message like "You must be logged in to log out. Log in?" (I don't remember exactly)

Or is the existence of a logout button when you're not logged in the WTF? "Medal of Honor" sounds like a game or an application for managing military decorations.

The problem is that you are sending an error message simply for the sake of sending an error message. If they are already logged out, then just tell them they are now logged out. Is it really that hard? Why take the effort to create a failure message which achieves nothing of benefit.

I disagree. The user is attempting to perform an action that requires them to be logged in (i.e. authorized), and you can't logout() if you're not authorized. I suppose to can create some logic around this, but why? It's correct as-is: in order to invoke logout(), you need to be logged in. Same as in order to saveProfile(), you need to be logged in. I realize this may sound kind of silly, but the second you start adding in crap like this
if requesting logout() && !loggedIn then, else...
, you have started the ball rolling on creating an maintenance nightmare because I'm sure you'll find another edge case that "sounds silly". That's OK, I'll just add another else if...
But is there any real reason to advise the user to log in? Compromise: leave the code exactly the way it is and just change the failure message to say "Congrats dipshit, you are now logged out."

Problem: Solved.

I should have clarified. I was commenting on the correctness of the error message, not the user-friendliness.

I was also addressing the fact that it would be extra work to suppress/format a user friendly error message rather than simply throwing the service error back at the user, which is what appears to be happening here. blarg seems to think that the developers took time to create a useless error message, which isn't likely the case.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

C-Octothorpe:
blarg seems to think that the developers took time to create a useless error message, which isn't likely the case.

Of course they took the time to create the error message. You can see it right there in the screenshot. How did you think it got there?

hoodaticus · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

C-Octothorpe:
boog:
frits:
The road to Hell was paved with good intentions. It's also toll-free.
Yeah, but it's always packed. If they procured funds at gunpoint, perhaps they could add more lanes?

They could at the very least get rid of that pot-hole I'm always hitting on my morning commute...

You know, the same one that spills scalding hot coffee on my genitals.

You're into that too? I thought I was the only one.

hoodaticus · 2011-04-25 Reply Admin

blarg:
hoodaticus:
So I ask you to explain what makes your worldview different from communism, and you call me a troll. Let's call that a forfeiture.

The fact that I think all people benefit from roads makes me a communist?

That's why I think you are trolling. That statement is absurd and I think we can all see that.

Do you think that all people benefit from education? oh, I guess you are a communist too!

You specifically justified taxation for roads based on the fact that it indirectly benefits everyone. I assert that that reasoning could justify socialization of any good or service under the sun. Where do you draw the line? I was curious. The line I draw is that the ends (the thing the tax money is buying) justify the means (armed robbery). There are perhaps many things that justify taxation under that rubric, since armed robbery/extortion is preferable to many conceivable fates.

Addendum (2011-04-25 17:47): And if I'm trolling, it's because i haz no new wtf.

YHBT, blah blah.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

hoodaticus:
You specifically justified taxation for roads based on the fact that it indirectly benefits everyone. I assert that that reasoning could justify socialization of any good or service under the sun. Where do you draw the line? I was curious.

I draw the line a long long distance away from "any good or service under the sun". I think that most other people would too. It is an interesting question to pose, the answer being one which requires far too much thought and time to express here (as I'm sure you would agree). Suffice to say I am happy for the general public to bear the burden of paying for roads .

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

Thanks, blarg.

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

blarg:
C-Octothorpe:
blarg seems to think that the developers took time to create a useless error message, which isn't likely the case.

Of course they took the time to create the error message. You can see it right there in the screenshot. How did you think it got there?

Ok, one more try: more than likely they handle expected exceptions one way (i.e. by displaying a more user friendly and therefore more useful message to the average user), and handling all unhandled exceptions by simply displaying the localized error message in a popup rather than a wicked stack trace. I've seen it before and done it before as well and since you can't guess every possible exception you could encounter (DB connection, file locked, out of memory, etc.), you do something like what I just said likely happened.

So in this case, yes, adding an error message for just this case WOULD be more work, no?

2011-04-25 Reply Admin

hoodaticus:
C-Octothorpe:
boog:
frits:
The road to Hell was paved with good intentions. It's also toll-free.
Yeah, but it's always packed. If they procured funds at gunpoint, perhaps they could add more lanes?

They could at the very least get rid of that pot-hole I'm always hitting on my morning commute...

You know, the same one that spills scalding hot coffee on my genitals.
You're into that too? I thought I was the only one.

I figured you were a sadist just by your position on anti-liberalist views.

I do agree though, that we would all be much better off if the government kept its hands out of my pockets... If I want to spend my cheque on beer and blow, so fucking be it (which I obviously wouldn't). All that this high taxation is is a redistribution of wealth, and it is a sad fucking day when I'm handing over 50% of my money so that everybody else can have everything paid for.

Let the people spend their own money and stop treating them like retarded kids running with a power drill (i.e. take it away from them before they hurt themselves)...

AndyCanfield · 2011-04-26 Reply Admin

I have never once heard of someone, outside of the internet, being forced to pay taxes (or tolls for that matter) at gunpoint.

Al Capone. He was sent to prison for not paying his income taxes.

toth · 2011-04-26 Reply Admin

Wow, 12 bottles for the price of one?! That's a great deal!

2011-04-26 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
hoodaticus:
Why should I have to flee the land I own, in my homeland, to get away from your extortion racket? What perverted sense of justice do you have that demands the victim accommodate the robber?

On what basis do you say you own that land? What's involved in "owning" here?

Put simply, we do not live in the state of nature. If we begin with absolute Hobbesian freedom, then our current state, the state under which we happily develop products for people we don't know expecting that those people will somehow get money to us which we can save in nice safe banks and spend on nice cars to drive on nice roads, is the result of trading away some of our liberties for security.

If you want to live in the war of all against all, fine. Do it somewhere else. I don't, and I think all of my neighbors would agree that we prefer to pay taxes and support a state in which we can live out lives to a stateless anarchy in which, paying no taxes, we instead live lives that are solitary, nasty, brutish, and short. Good luck with your anarchist paradise, but you're going to have to try it somewhere else. I know it won't fly in my neighborhood.

Consider the position taken by some:

All taxation is theft. Theft is bad and I should be protected from it. The law should protect me from theft. The State should enforce the law. The State should be funded by ta...oops!

Another "interesting" thesis:

All state provision is Communism. Communism is bad. IF (logic is enabled): The state should protect me from the reds under my bed. The state should be funded by... ELSE I will protect myself from Communism. Like-minded individuals will join me. We will live together, somehow distributing the fruits of our labout together. The weak will be ...

IF (Stalinism is enabled) sent to the salt mines, bwu-ha-ha-ha | tortured in a Gulag | (Spartan module:) left to die ELSE protected by their parents ... erm... against the will of the collective...ummm...

...and the strong will prosper. And when a neighbouring tribe attacks and tries to steal our goodies, we will... IF (collectivism is enabled) pay tax, but somehow not be CommieScum ELSE pay tax, but somehow not be CommieScum

2011-04-26 Reply Admin

C-Octothorpe:
blarg:
C-Octothorpe:
blarg seems to think that the developers took time to create a useless error message, which isn't likely the case.

Of course they took the time to create the error message. You can see it right there in the screenshot. How did you think it got there?

Ok, one more try: more than likely they handle expected exceptions one way (i.e. by displaying a more user friendly and therefore more useful message to the average user), and handling all unhandled exceptions by simply displaying the localized error message in a popup rather than a wicked stack trace. I've seen it before and done it before as well and since you can't guess every possible exception you could encounter (DB connection, file locked, out of memory, etc.), you do something like what I just said likely happened.

So in this case, yes, adding an error message for just this case WOULD be more work, no?

hang on.. aren't you agreeing with me then? That they did take the extra time to create the error message for this specific case?

hoodaticus · 2011-04-26 Reply Admin

((troll)this).Devour("Billy Goat Gruff #1");

2011-04-26 Reply Admin

hoodaticus:
Why should I have to flee the land I own, in my homeland, to get away from your extortion racket? What perverted sense of justice do you have that demands the victim accommodate the robber?

What makes you think you own "your" land? You may have paid for it, but you rent it from the government. Your rent is called Property Tax. Don't pay your "rent" and see how quickly your "landlord" evicts you.

2011-04-26 Reply Admin

Billy Goat Gruff #1:
Consider the position taken by some:
All taxation is theft. Theft is bad and I should be protected from it. The law should protect me from theft. The State should enforce the law. The State should be funded by ta...oops!

All taxation is theft. Theft is bad and I should protect myself from it. My guns should protect me from theft.

frits · 2011-04-26 Reply Admin

Ozz:
hoodaticus:
Why should I have to flee the land I own, in my homeland, to get away from your extortion racket? What perverted sense of justice do you have that demands the victim accommodate the robber?
What makes you think you own "your" land? You may have paid for it, but you rent it from the government. Your rent is called Property Tax. Don't pay your "rent" and see how quickly your "landlord" evicts you.

Since hoodaticus claims to be Native American, he may very well live on a reservation, where there are no state property taxes.

hoodaticus · 2011-04-26 Reply Admin

frits:
Ozz:
hoodaticus:
Why should I have to flee the land I own, in my homeland, to get away from your extortion racket? What perverted sense of justice do you have that demands the victim accommodate the robber?
What makes you think you own "your" land? You may have paid for it, but you rent it from the government. Your rent is called Property Tax. Don't pay your "rent" and see how quickly your "landlord" evicts you.

Since hoodaticus claims to be Native American, he may very well live on a reservation, where there are no state property taxes.

Part native - but no reservation for me.

2011-04-26 Reply Admin

AdT:
The title reminded me of Otto Dix (a band, not the painter).

Ah, i thought you mean Otto Big Dix (the porn star).

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hoodaticus · 2011-04-26 Reply Admin

Ozz:
hoodaticus:
Why should I have to flee the land I own, in my homeland, to get away from your extortion racket? What perverted sense of justice do you have that demands the victim accommodate the robber?
What makes you think you own "your" land? You may have paid for it, but you rent it from the government. Your rent is called Property Tax. Don't pay your "rent" and see how quickly your "landlord" evicts you.

I'm pretty sure the abuse of that power led to the eviction of our prior landlord, Britain, rather than the tenants.

2011-04-26 Reply Admin

socknet:
C-Octothorpe:
blarg:
C-Octothorpe:
blarg seems to think that the developers took time to create a useless error message, which isn't likely the case.

Of course they took the time to create the error message. You can see it right there in the screenshot. How did you think it got there?

Ok, one more try: more than likely they handle expected exceptions one way (i.e. by displaying a more user friendly and therefore more useful message to the average user), and handling all unhandled exceptions by simply displaying the localized error message in a popup rather than a wicked stack trace. I've seen it before and done it before as well and since you can't guess every possible exception you could encounter (DB connection, file locked, out of memory, etc.), you do something like what I just said likely happened.

So in this case, yes, adding an error message for just this case WOULD be more work, no?

hang on.. aren't you agreeing with me then? That they did take the extra time to create the error message for this specific case?

Ok, I'm starting to think you're a troll, or my communication skills need a bit of brushing up. Either way, I think I'm done trying to explain what the voices in my head are telling me.

2011-04-26 Reply Admin

All this philosophical blabbering about taxes is TRWTF.

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