• Maharg (unregistered) in reply to AnonAndOnAndOn

    Well, I was curious enough, and now even the eye bleach isn't enough! It's the worst of the three, and you will lose any shreds of faith in humanity that you still had.

  • Bleppo (unregistered)

    In many countries his action would have been illegal and might yield even several years of prison.

  • Thomas Rubbert (unregistered)

    Ah yes, the email reading. In my country (Germany) it's illegal to read emails that are not directed to you. Of course, every sysadmin reads them. But that's the point: They can't do anything, that would get them into trouble. So just write a mail to a friend, wildy insulting the sysadmin. In the end state that you think he reads the mail, but can't do anything, then greet him. That will upset him, mine flipped me the bird; it was very statisfying (I should propably note that he was very incompetent).

    P.S.: Only do this when you are certain that you will never, ever require any kind of service ever from him.

    captcha: paint - yeah, he drank it

  • Manic Mailman (unregistered) in reply to PM
    PM:
    If there are so many countries that have these laws, maybe you'd like to name one instead of being vague and unverifiable?
    I may have been vague, but certainly not unverifiable. It seems that some examples might be France, Germany, Hungary, and Norway. Really, though, I suppose that my real point was that just because it's legal to do in the US doesn't mean it's legal to do in other countries. It may surprise some people in the US, but other counties do have different priorities and different laws.

    For example, they drive on the left hand side of the road in the UK! Is it that unimaginable that other countries might have laws that restrict spying on employees?

  • Magic Duck (unregistered) in reply to AnonAndOnAndOn

    No need to watch the actual shit (pun intended). This vid, which is safe for work pretty much summarizes it :D

  • wcw (unregistered)

    I consulted for a consultancy (yeah, yeah, I know, I learned my lesson) whose email policy was simple: all emails to [email protected] went to a box perched besides a printer near the copy machines. A flunky printed your emails regularly, and handed you hardcopies. Outgoing mail from your fatfatia.com email were typed on the same, common box, by the flunky or yourself.

    The same flunky copied sole proprietor Funny Fatfatia on all emails. Using, of course, hardcopies. Naturally, though, everyone in the office could also (and I assume did) read everyone else's mail. It was a smallish office.

    This is how I learned not just that I would be canned, but why. Funny, who liked to work all at Fatfatia & Associates for 12+-hour days, was tired of paying me for all those pesky hours. The outgoing email offered the new worthy an hourly wage $5 greater than mine -- capped at 40 hours per week, additional hours uncompensated under the rubrick of 'training'.

    The email trail made it clear the new worthy was an H1B case.

    This may sound like a bad student film, but if anything, I am underplaying it.

    For the record: if Funny offers to 'hire' you to Fatfatia, by all means take the job. Then, keep interviewing, admire the surreal surroundings until you get a better offer.

    And if that H1B kid is still there (my guess? he was probably smart enough to get a job that paid for more than just some of the hours he put in), tender my sympathies. My parents are immigrants, and so it pisses me off perhaps more than most when someone takes advantage like that.

  • Seb (unregistered) in reply to Thomas Rubbert
    Thomas Rubbert:
    Ah yes, the email reading. In my country (Germany) it's illegal to read emails that are not directed to you. Of course, every sysadmin reads them.
    Hey, you just managed to insult my admin ... I will tell him, and he's going to get YOU of the net for good ;-) Your IP is ... 127.0.0.1 ...? </humor>

    Every time I look at our vpn(1) logs to find out why some collegue is unable to get in, I'm in a grey area ... of course, I can look at his/her logins, b/c (s)he asked me to, but what about all the others in the log?

    In Germany, same as in most EU countries (I believe), you can't start any monitoring w/o the employees' representative(s) agreeing to it ... just putting it into the work contract means, I can sign it, start working, sue the company to stop the monitoring, and they can't even fire me for this ;-)

    Having fun, Seb. (1) email, server, whatever logs ...

  • Tom_fan_DK (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    nomdeplume:
    FredSaw:
    If I don't like it here, I should leave.
    But are you sure he was being nationalistic? Perhaps he just doesn't like you, and wants you to leave.
    That'll be okay. He can sit there wanting me to leave all day long.
    SQB:
    Perhaps he was pulling, not pushing.
    Pulling me to another country? Or pulling me into action? Actually, I have considered a permanent move to someplace like Canada or Spain. Only thing is, I worry that my obviously USA speech, knowledge and culture would be associated with support for the Bush Regime.
    I moved from Italy to Denmark, I've never been associated to support for Berlusconi/Prodi/Mafia regime ;-)
  • Baston (unregistered) in reply to PM
    PM:
    Manic Mailman:
    chrismcb:
    What countries is it illegal to watch the employees perform work on company time with company equipment?
    Many countries have privacy laws that make it illegal to snoop on employee's communication, even when using company equipment and on company time. Especially if it's done covertly. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it's most countries.

    If there are so many countries that have these laws, maybe you'd like to name one instead of being vague and unverifiable?

    France is one of those

  • Mr Bean (unregistered) in reply to Ben
    Ben:
    purge:
    <wtf:badpun>Enough of all this TRASH11 talk!</wtf:badpun>
    Careful. The <badpun> tag has been deprecated in favor of <pun>, as <goodpun> was never implemented.

    You piqued my curiosity, so I checked....

    Caution -- www.badpuns.com actually exists and does what the name says.

    :-O

  • (cs) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    Eam:
    FredSaw:
    operagost:
    Leave.
    Thanks for the blind nationalistic drivel...
    What part of "Leave" is nationalistic?
    If I don't like it here, I should leave. I should accept things the way they are, or get out. My country, right or wrong. Don't talk bad about mah country, bwah. When you're runnin' down our country, hoss, you walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

    You don't have the first clue what the USA is all about. This is a democracy... a country run by the people. When we see something we don't like here, we work to change it. I'm one of the people, and what I want counts. Most of the people are asleep right now, and the country is pretty much being taken over by a few power-mongers with no scruples who want to declare themselves above the law; i.e., dictators. You telling me to leave is not helping. It's just blind nationalistic stupidity: "My country, right or wrong... and my president, right or wrong, just because he's president". Bullshit. The president and the VP are nothing more than two citizens, two members of "the people". They have no authority above the law, and if citizens like me stand up and fight, they won't wind up blatantly taking that authority for themselves.

    Save our Bill of Rights

    I think you're correct, but just a few observations shy of reality. You're totally ignoring the fact that people in general don't revolt against an abusive President, a bought-and-paid-for Congress, etc. Your ideals are nice, but seem to completely ignore the reality of how passive the American people has been.

    And yes, I'm American.

  • (cs) in reply to wcw
    wcw:
    I consulted for a consultancy (yeah, yeah, I know, I learned my lesson) whose email policy was simple: all emails to [email protected] went to a box perched besides a printer near the copy machines. A flunky printed your emails regularly, and handed you hardcopies. Outgoing mail from your fatfatia.com email were typed on the same, common box, by the flunky or yourself.

    The same flunky copied sole proprietor Funny Fatfatia on all emails. Using, of course, hardcopies. Naturally, though, everyone in the office could also (and I assume did) read everyone else's mail. It was a smallish office.

    This is how I learned not just that I would be canned, but why. Funny, who liked to work all at Fatfatia & Associates for 12+-hour days, was tired of paying me for all those pesky hours. The outgoing email offered the new worthy an hourly wage $5 greater than mine -- capped at 40 hours per week, additional hours uncompensated under the rubrick of 'training'.

    The email trail made it clear the new worthy was an H1B case.

    This may sound like a bad student film, but if anything, I am underplaying it.

    For the record: if Funny offers to 'hire' you to Fatfatia, by all means take the job. Then, keep interviewing, admire the surreal surroundings until you get a better offer.

    And if that H1B kid is still there (my guess? he was probably smart enough to get a job that paid for more than just some of the hours he put in), tender my sympathies. My parents are immigrants, and so it pisses me off perhaps more than most when someone takes advantage like that.

    Great story.

    I'm surprised, though, that you didn't shop Funny to the Feds. This is a serious fine and possible jail time we're looking at, here. I'm sure replacing you in this way was legal, what with you being a contractor, but hiring an H1B on those terms most certainly was not. Clearly, the new guy is not being paid "the going rate." (And no, "training" would not be a valid excuse.)

    Everybody would have won -- you, the H1B, all the anti-H1B whiners, and even Funny, who would learn the valuable lesson that, if you drop the soap in the communal showers, you don't bend down to pick it up.

  • J (unregistered) in reply to Ed

    That's nothing, a friend of mine works for an Engineering firm that has all email forwarded to the receptionist, who then prints it off and puts it in the Presidents inbox who then reviews the email and approves it and then the receptionist puts it onto the desk of the Engineer. This comes from the same company that gives employees a ham as a Christmas bonus.

  • anonymous coward (unregistered) in reply to tin
    tin:
    Yeah... Pretty sure where I live they'd go to jail for secretly recording things. I know call centers are allowed to record/listen in on calls here, but operators must be aware of it, and must inform the other person at the beginning of every call. Other than that, it's a no-no.

    Not so in the Philippines. Tech. Supports are recorded without their knowledge that a particular call is being recorded, thus no opportunity to inform the other person that his/her privacy has been violated as well. Tech Supports just get demerit counts during evaluation period on bad calls during tech assistance.

  • hognoxious (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    You don't have the first clue what the USA is all about. This is a democracy... a country run by the people. [...] They have no authority above the law, and if citizens like me stand up and fight, they won't wind up blatantly taking that authority for themselves.
    Anyone getting shades of this?
  • (cs) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    nomdeplume:
    FredSaw:
    If I don't like it here, I should leave.
    But are you sure he was being nationalistic? Perhaps he just doesn't like you, and wants you to leave.
    That'll be okay. He can sit there wanting me to leave all day long.
    SQB:
    Perhaps he was pulling, not pushing.
    Pulling me to another country? Or pulling me into action? Actually, I have considered a permanent move to someplace like Canada or Spain. Only thing is, I worry that my obviously USA speech, knowledge and culture would be associated with support for the Bush Regime.
    Who the hell are you, again? And why make your tirades here instead of Freep? I doubt an international technology forum is the best place for Ron Paul shilling.
  • freakwent (unregistered) in reply to Manic Mailman

    In Australia I understand that you can read and block and store whatever you want, but you MUST inform the employees of the details.

  • Memomachine (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    Thanks for the blind nationalistic drivel, but I'd rather stay here and fight to preserve the Bill of Rights, impeach the would-be dictators, and make the USA a country that other countries can respect rather than hate.

    Save our Bill of Rights

    Good God what complete nonsense!

    More BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome).

  • Memomachine (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw
    FredSaw:
    If I don't like it here, I should leave. I should accept things the way they are, or get out. My country, right or wrong. Don't talk bad about mah country, bwah. When you're runnin' down our country, hoss, you walkin' on the fightin' side of me.

    You don't have the first clue what the USA is all about. This is a democracy... a country run by the people. When we see something we don't like here, we work to change it. I'm one of the people, and what I want counts. Most of the people are asleep right now, and the country is pretty much being taken over by a few power-mongers with no scruples who want to declare themselves above the law; i.e., dictators. You telling me to leave is not helping. It's just blind nationalistic stupidity: "My country, right or wrong... and my president, right or wrong, just because he's president". Bullshit. The president and the VP are nothing more than two citizens, two members of "the people". They have no authority above the law, and if citizens like me stand up and fight, they won't wind up blatantly taking that authority for themselves.

    Save our Bill of Rights

    Yeah Bush is quite the "dictator".

    Except that he's unable to push anything into law because he's the President and not in Congress.

    Except that he's out of office in 2008 and isn't dictator for life.

    Yeah. Quite the "dictator". Frankly I don't care for Bush because of his position on illegal aliens. But people with advanced cases of Bush Derangement Syndrome just makes my skin crawl.

  • Hammockwarrior (unregistered)

    I once had a senior manager that was technically savvy (had been head of IT for a few years). Every time he had some time on his hands he'd go snooping on the network, seeing what shares people had on their workstations. If he found a share he didn't approve of - say of music or movie clips - he'd come down to the 'perpetrators' desk and chew him out in front of everyone else. He once did that to one of the technicians who had just resigned. The man stood up, punched him over a desk and walked out.

  • hognoxious (unregistered) in reply to FredSaw

    [quote user="FredSaw]I worry that my obviously USA speech, knowledge and culture would be associated with support for the Bush Regime.[/quote]Don't worry, at least two of those are so tiny it won't be a problem to hide them.

  • Scott (unregistered)

    All your mailboxes are belong to us.

  • Alan Balkany (unregistered) in reply to Memomachine
    Memomachine:
    FredSaw:
    Thanks for the blind nationalistic drivel, but I'd rather stay here and fight to preserve the Bill of Rights, impeach the would-be dictators, and make the USA a country that other countries can respect rather than hate.

    Save our Bill of Rights

    Good God what complete nonsense!

    More BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome).

    FredSaw is correct: The Republicans (with the support of the Democrats) have eliminated habeus corpus with the Military Commissions act of 2006.

    They have also passed a law that gives the president control over the other branches of government in an "emergency" (where the emergency is determined by the president).

    The president is calling himself a "unitary president", which is English for "Fuehrer" (as in Hitler). The "would-be dictator" description is accurate. Memomachine is an idiot.

  • Nancy (unregistered)

    Does anyone know a way that I can determine if someone is getting copies of my emails? I am pretty sure this is happening but don't know how to detect it.

  • Baktru (unregistered) in reply to chrismcb

    Belgium for one. Email is considered private even on a corporate account and corporate machines etc.

    Only under exceptional circumstances can a company go and check what emails are being sent like that, and only after advance warning.

    Doing so by definition is a breach of Privacy law.

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