• please make it stop (unregistered) in reply to Wizou
    Wizou:
    ParkinT:
    The young girl pressed on the flat panel display in front of her, then looked up and asked, "Is that for Here or To Go?"

    {I was dumbfounded and asked if she would put it in a different container based on my answer}

    The answer might serve statistical data..

    In WV, if you have it to go, you arent charged tax.

  • (cs) in reply to m0ffx
    m0ffx:
    AF:
    Joe:
    Mr.Magoo:
    If you live in one of these said countries and knew which tax rate was lower you could just say that one and do whatever you want.
    It has nothing to do with how much you as a customer pay.
    Maybe that depends where you are.
    In the UK, I think it's that dairy products get less tax, except when eating in. So it only affects the milkshakes and ice creams.
    In the UK "luxury" items have VAT applied, whereas "food" doesn't. BUT, some items are counted as food on some transactions and luxury items on others. In the MacDonalds instance, Milkshakes (and possibly some other products; can't remember) were liable to VAT if you ate them in, but not if you took them away. So you could save about 15p on the price of a large milkshake just by asking for it to take away (and yes, the customer *did* get the reduced price). I've not eaten in a MacDonalds for about 8 years, but I assume that if the customer now pays the same price regardless it is the VAT law that has been changed (otherwise they would be charging 2 different prices for the same product, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be able to get away with that legally...).
  • (cs) in reply to SEGEEK
    SEGEEK:
    The Still lemonade means that it is not made with mineral water.

    Makes one wonder what Still mineral water is made from.

  • (cs) in reply to thosrtanner
    thosrtanner:
    SEGEEK:
    The Still lemonade means that it is not made with mineral water.
    Makes one wonder what Still mineral water is made from.
    I thought everyone knew that... they extract mineral water from natural sparkling springs (the CO2 being created by the action of trace acid residues in the rain water on limestone) then put it in large "stilling tanks" which agitate the water rapidly, releasing all the bubbles and flattening it for transport.
  • (cs) in reply to Wizou

    In the UK it makes a difference to the VAT, iirc. Cold food and drinks are zero rated if eaten take away, they're taxed at normal rate if they're eaten on the premises. Hot food is always taxed.

    Although certain products are always zero rated/standard rated irrespective of where they're consumed.

  • DavidN (unregistered)

    The mysterious "A required resource was" message seems to come up across a variety of Corel products - I used to regularly get it in the original Multimedia Fusion before its publishers went independent. Unfortunately, though it may look like it's saying that everything's OK, the result of getting it was always disastrous - namely an instant crash, and it always happened at the exact point you thought "It's probably about time I saved".

  • Dirk Diggler (unregistered) in reply to ParkinT
    ParkinT:
    The young girl pressed on the flat panel display in front of her, then looked up and asked, "Is that for Here or To Go?"

    {I was dumbfounded and asked if she would put it in a different container based on my answer}

    She was hitting on you man. You didn't pick up on it because of the generational difference. You could have scored and you blew it!

  • (cs) in reply to Joe
    Joe:
    Mr.Magoo:
    If you live in one of these said countries and knew which tax rate was lower you could just say that one and do whatever you want.

    "For here please." Then go sit down and enjoy your ice cream.

    It has nothing to do with how much you as a customer pay. It only matters for the company how much the have to deduct as taxes. If you take "to go", then they have to pay less taxes and more of what you payed goes to their profits.

    In some countries, the advertised price is the pre-tax price, and the tax is added on as a separate line item.

  • (cs) in reply to hikari
    hikari:
    In the UK it makes a difference to the VAT, iirc. Cold food and drinks are zero rated if eaten take away, they're taxed at normal rate if they're eaten on the premises. Hot food is always taxed.

    Although certain products are always zero rated/standard rated irrespective of where they're consumed.

    Ah, beaten to it. Though I'll add that this wasn't always the case. Hot take-out food wasn't VATted either until about 20 years ago. I used to get the opposite of the redundant "eat in / take out" question in one branch of McD.

    1. I specify "take out", which makes it a few pence cheaper (also so I get to the bus stop quicker though)
    2. Girl on the till registers it as "eat in"
    3. I repeat "take out"
    4. She said it doesn't make a difference
    5. I say "yes it does, try it"
    6. She presses "take out", price goes down
    7. Rinse and repeat the following week with same cashier. FWIW I was always polite, 'cos I found it funny.
  • hans (unregistered) in reply to bugmenot1
    bugmenot1:
    In Germany the taxes for food is around 7 percent, but for anything else 19 percent. But everything you eat in a shop is not food, so you have to pay 12 percent more.
    No you don't. German prices are virtually always including VAT. If the menu says 3.19€, you will pay 3.19€, no matter the tax.
  • someone somewhere (unregistered) in reply to Waffle
    Waffle:
    Which naturally brings to the adage about girls:

    Attractive Signle Mentally Stable

    Choose two.

    Reminds me of a joke I read a few years ago:

    "when I was younger, I said I wanted to meet and marry a girl that was rich, smart and pretty. Today I would be glad to find a girl that has any 2 of those"

  • curtmack (unregistered)

    Well, the lemonade is still lemonade now, so the extra 82 pence must be for the guarantee it'll still be lemonade after it leaves the store.

  • Sid2K7 (unregistered) in reply to hans
    hans:
    bugmenot1:
    In Germany the taxes for food is around 7 percent, but for anything else 19 percent. But everything you eat in a shop is not food, so you have to pay 12 percent more.
    No you don't. German prices are virtually always including VAT. If the menu says 3.19€, you will pay 3.19€, no matter the tax.

    Indeed. But your are still paying 12% more tax if you eat in. Which is the reason why the bakeries got into trouble: People eat in, but the bakery only paid 7% tax instead of 19%. (read as: More of the money to pay has to be considered tax, even if the total mustn't change - the mustn't is intentional!)

    So, if you eat in, more of the money the seller earns has to be passed over to the government. If you eat out, the amount is reduced.

    The bakeries just always passed 7%, which is considered tax fraud.

  • (cs)

    Regarding the password one. It might not be clear to you if all you develop are windows applications, but if you are developing a web application it is standard practice to cover up the password using asterisks. I think this is a good design and just misunderstood by the poster.

    Even on the password recovery screen (forgotten password), you should not show the password on the web page. For example, on my companies website, that I developed, if you forget your password, then you can retrieve it by entering your login name and type in the email where you want the password to be sent, and it will mail you what your password is, but NEVER (NEVER!) display the password in plain text on a web page.

  • Eric (unregistered) in reply to ParkinT

    Or maybe it is because of sales tax laws? Or course, you are the genius...

  • (cs) in reply to TopCod3r
    TopCod3r:
    Regarding the password one. It might not be clear to you if all you develop are windows applications, but if you are developing a web application it is standard practice to cover up the password using asterisks. I think this is a good design and just misunderstood by the poster.

    Even on the password recovery screen (forgotten password), you should not show the password on the web page. For example, on my companies website, that I developed, if you forget your password, then you can retrieve it by entering your login name and type in the email where you want the password to be sent, and it will mail you what your password is, but NEVER (NEVER!) display the password in plain text on a web page.

    This isn't unique to web development. Any program that could possibly used in an environment when someone could potentially be looking at your screen (read: basically anywhere) should have the password field replaced by asterisks or dots or something so that it isn't directly visible.

    Instead TRWTF in that picture is that it's asking you to confirm that you want to change your password from "******" to "*********". It might as well just ask you to confirm you want to change your password from "oldpassword" to "newpassword", it would be about as helpful of a confirmation.

    Also, I dislike websites (or anything else really) that will e-mail me my current password. I much prefer it simply resetting my password and emailing me a temporary password that is required to be changed on first login. It's entirely possible that the password is used for other things and I just forgot that I used the same one for xyz.com website. Now I had an e-mail sent in perfectly plain text that contains a password that perhaps could be linked to everything from pointless forum accounts to my financial accounts, not what I'd call a good security practice. Also mailing the current password usually means that it's stored in the database as plain text, and even if it isn't it means it can be easily determined. Once again, not a good security practice.

    Edit: Hmmm, on second thought this must be a troll. "you can retrieve it by entering your login name and type in the email where you want the password to be sent" In the case that it isn't, my username is Company_CEO and my e-mail is [email protected]. I expect my password soon.

  • red (unregistered) in reply to G
    G:
    red:
    SEGEEK:
    The Still lemonade means that it is not made with mineral water. Whenever I travel to Germany its always hard to find bottled 'Still' water that I am used to as an American because the norm for water there is mineral water. (Although it is quite tasty mixed with apple juice)

    WhoooossshhhH!!!!

    The point is that they are selling for 1.09 each or 2 for 3 pounds. 1.09x2=2.18

    It's cheaper to buy two singly than buy the two for 3 pounds.

    Actually, it's not a good idea to buy more than one at a time, because for every second bottle you'll pay 1.91£ So, for 2 bottles that'll be 3£, 4.09£ for 3 and 6£ for 4

    You reply as if you are correcting me but in fact you are just repeating what I said. If you buy two bottles seperatly it will cost you less than buying two bottles with the offer.

  • Keith (unregistered) in reply to TopCod3r

    "Regarding the password one. It might not be clear to you if all you develop are windows applications, but if you are developing a web application it is standard practice to cover up the password using asterisks. I think this is a good design and just misunderstood by the poster."

    As the submitter, I totally understand why it did what it did and I agree with never showing the password. However, to make it unWTF for me a message of "the password will be changed, and no you can't see it" would be more meaningful than fields of stars.

  • someone somewhere (unregistered) in reply to Rik
    Rik:
    Obviously, the naswer to the question posed by the atm is "Yes".
    I don't care whether it is debit or credit. Why can't I use the Any key?
  • (cs) in reply to hatterson
    hatterson:
    Also mailing the current password usually means that it's stored in the database as plain text, and even if it isn't it means it can be easily determined. Once again, not a good security practice.

    It is stored in the database, which is secure. Only a few people know the database password, I am one. This also makes it easy to check the password for login.

  • (cs) in reply to TopCod3r
    TopCod3r:
    hatterson:
    Also mailing the current password usually means that it's stored in the database as plain text, and even if it isn't it means it can be easily determined. Once again, not a good security practice.

    It is stored in the database, which is secure. Only a few people know the database password, I am one. This also makes it easy to check the password for login.

    I still wouldn't like the fact that the security of my password is linked to the security of "a few" other people and their practices.

    Also: look into a fancy new thing called hashes. They're really neat

  • Ilya Ehrenburg (unregistered) in reply to DavidN
    DavidN:
    The mysterious "A required resource was" message seems to come up across a variety of Corel products - I used to regularly get it in the original Multimedia Fusion before its publishers went independent. Unfortunately, though it may look like it's saying that everything's OK, the result of getting it was always disastrous - namely an instant crash, and it always happened at the exact point you thought "It's probably about time I saved".
    How can it look like it's saying everything's OK? It clearly says "A required resource was" it is no longer. Perfectly obvious that the task cannot be completed then, isn't it?
  • (cs) in reply to hatterson
    hatterson:
    TopCod3r:
    hatterson:
    Also mailing the current password usually means that it's stored in the database as plain text, and even if it isn't it means it can be easily determined. Once again, not a good security practice.

    It is stored in the database, which is secure. Only a few people know the database password, I am one. This also makes it easy to check the password for login.

    I still wouldn't like the fact that the security of my password is linked to the security of "a few" other people and their practices.

    Also: look into a fancy new thing called hashes. They're really neat

    I didn't want to go into details about it because it is complicated, but I wrote a hash that is used to scramble the letters in the password, then it can be un-hashed using my UnhashPassword() function so you can compare it to what the user types in. Trust me, it is secure.

  • (cs) in reply to TopCod3r
    TopCod3r:
    I didn't want to go into details about it because it is complicated, but I wrote a hash that is used to scramble the letters in the password, then it can be un-hashed using my UnhashPassword() function so you can compare it to what the user types in. Trust me, it is secure.

    Solution 1 (your function): I obtain the database password, it doesn't matter how. Given that you use a simple scramble function I can look at the database and see exactly how long all the user passwords are. Also I can simply create a new user and assign a password of that same length, see what the function does and (fairly simply) reverse engineer what a given users password is. Alternatively I can simply find your code base and take a glance at UnhashPassword() and have access to every password stored.

    Solution 2 (I like to call this the real way): I obtain the database password, it doesn't matter how. In the scenario passwords are stored after being passed through a one way hash. I can look at the database and see the hashed values of all passwords, however assuming you used an even remotely decent hash function I am still screwed because I cannot feasibly reverse the hash function and I am essentially stuck with a guessing game. In other words, having access to the database and/or code base gets me no closer to knowing a users password.

    In your solution every password has 3 points of weakness (the user, the database, the code base). In the real way it has 1 (the user).

    Using a one way hash that's even remotely well designed is also very quick. Going text->hash is very fast and comparing hashes is trivial. The point is that going hash->text is extremely time consuming and generally designed so that the time it would take to crack the password would be greater than the lifetime of said password.

  • (cs)

    I ACCIDENTALLY THE ERROR MESSAGE!

    I ACCIDENTALLY THE WHOLE THING!

  • Sa (unregistered) in reply to Ilya Ehrenburg
    Ilya Ehrenburg:
    How can it look like it's saying everything's OK? It clearly says "A required resource was" it is no longer.
    No. Instead try reading it as: 
     "A required resource was [required]."

    There. Does that clear it up for you? Everything is fine. There would only be a problem if the required resource was not actually required in the first place.

  • (cs) in reply to Sa
    Sa:
    Ilya Ehrenburg:
    How can it look like it's saying everything's OK? It clearly says "A required resource was" it is no longer.
    No. Instead try reading it as: 
     "A required resource was [required]."

    There. Does that clear it up for you? Everything is fine. There would only be a problem if the required resource was not actually required in the first place.

    Actually this is just a friendly reminder about past performance. It's telling you that, at some point in the past a required resource did in fact exist. Think of it as a friendly daily status report.

  • (cs) in reply to hatterson
    hatterson:
    I obtain the database password, it doesn't matter how. In the scenario passwords are stored after being passed through a one way hash. I can look at the database and see the hashed values of all passwords, ...

    I think we will have to agree to disagree about the best design in this scenario. I don't think you would be a good fit for my development team though, and if you worked at my company, I would keep an eye on you to make sure you didn't snoop in the security table.

  • Kehvarl (unregistered) in reply to MetalPig
    MetalPig:
    SEGEEK:
    The Still lemonade means that it is not made with mineral water.
    Sure. But the word 'still' is not the WTF in that picture.

    And here I thought they were just charging extra to make sure that the product remained lemonade even if you bought two of them.

  • (cs) in reply to TopCod3r
    TopCod3r:
    ... UnhashPassword() .... Trust me, it is secure.

    I got this far before realizing this was TopCod3r. Got me.

    (Since I'm here... the best way to avoid leaks is not to keep sensitive data. Unreversible, salted, hashes are pretty good at minimizing risk of leaked passwords.)

  • (cs) in reply to BtEO
    BtEO:
    me:
    This happens about every other time with me in McDonalds

    "Quarterpounder meal with coke, please" "What drink would you like with that?" "... coke, please"

    In my retail experience that probably just means a significant number of people say coke initially no matter what drink they actually want. You learn quickly in a job of that sort there are certain things that customers will say without realising how amazingly unhelpful they are for the person the other side of the till.

    If they order coke serve them their fucking coke and don't annoy people who are intelligent enough to only order what they want.

  • wim (unregistered) in reply to me
    me:
    This happens about every other time with me in McDonalds

    "Quarterpounder meal with coke, please" "What drink would you like with that?" "... coke, please"

    I think that's about the most common WTF you have when you order food or drinks

    Last I was in France at the beach, going to a kiosk for some drinks:

    "i would like to have 2 cokes, a fanta and an Ice Tea" "We don't have Ice tea" "Oh give me a sprite instead" "ok"

    • The girl takes a sprite from here fridge, and ask "What did you want again?"

    WTF

  • Sa (unregistered) in reply to hatterson
    hatterson:
    Sa:
    Ilya Ehrenburg:
    How can it look like it's saying everything's OK? It clearly says "A required resource was" it is no longer.
    No. Instead try reading it as: 
     "A required resource was [required]."

    Actually this is just a friendly reminder about past performance.

    Nice thought that. But, the sentence is complete and self contained. You are assuming information not present. The implied object of the verb "was" in the sentence is "required". So, my parsing of the sentence is correct.

    We programmers have to be careful and precise when constructing dialog messages. We wouldn't want to confuse the user now would we?

  • Guess Who (unregistered) in reply to j6cubic
    j6cubic:
    I think it really meant to say "A required resource was". I think it's nice to occasionally be informed that required resources indeed are - it'd be bad if they weren't.
    Required a resource was.

    But available, it was not.

  • (cs) in reply to topspin
    topspin:
    BtEO:
    me:
    This happens about every other time with me in McDonalds

    "Quarterpounder meal with coke, please" "What drink would you like with that?" "... coke, please"

    In my retail experience that probably just means a significant number of people say coke initially no matter what drink they actually want. You learn quickly in a job of that sort there are certain things that customers will say without realising how amazingly unhelpful they are for the person the other side of the till.

    If they order coke serve them their fucking coke and don't annoy people who are intelligent enough to only order what they want.

    In parts of the south of the US 'coke' is actually the universal name for all soft drinks. Me: "I'll have a coke please" Server: "Ok, what kind"

    Mind you the case of "..and would you like a drink with that" is likely just a cashier who doesn't care about their minimum wage job enough to actually listen carefully to what you're saying, and frankly I can't blame them

  • SCB (unregistered) in reply to hatterson
    hatterson:
    Solution 2 (I like to call this the real way): I obtain the database password, it doesn't matter how. In the scenario passwords are stored after being passed through a one way hash. I can look at the database and see the hashed values of all passwords, however assuming you used an even remotely decent hash function I am still screwed because I cannot feasibly reverse the hash function and I am essentially stuck with a guessing game. In other words, having access to the database and/or code base gets me no closer to knowing a users password.

    But if you now have access to everything in the database, why would you want a user's password?

  • Al (unregistered)

    Obviously someone mis-typed 3 pounds instead of 2 pounds.

  • uxor (unregistered) in reply to Rob
    Rob:
    In Ohio, the answer determines whether or not sales tax is applied (though I'm sure that was not her motivation for asking the question). Dine in- tax is applied. Take out- no tax. The state likely wouldn't be happy if the cashier assumed you would take it out.

    But yes, I'm sure it was just the mindless process of being a fast foor cashier-- I imagine you get in a rhythm.

    I'm from Ohio too, but I never understood that part of our tax law. I ALWAYS take my food out with me! If I eat it there or not, because I just don't have time to wait that long. I also don't feel like puking out as I exit either :/

  • (cs) in reply to Troy
    Troy:
    Alex: What does it say? Vitor: It reads, "A required resource was... aaaaaggggh" Alex: What? Vitor: "...resource was... aaaaaggggh." He must have died while coding it. Alex: Oh come on! Vitor: Well that's what it says. Alex: Look, if he was dying he wouldn't bother to code "aagh" he'd just say it. Vitor: Perhaps he was dictating.

    Reminds me of this

  • Sami (unregistered)

    The last one clearly says something is missing, either the resource is missing or it's contents are missing. It says "A required resource was empty" or "A required resource was not found".

  • (cs) in reply to someone somewhere
    someone somewhere:
    Waffle:
    Which naturally brings to the adage about girls:

    Attractive Signle Mentally Stable

    Choose two.

    Reminds me of a joke I read a few years ago:

    "when I was younger, I said I wanted to meet and marry a girl that was rich, smart and pretty. Today I would be glad to find a girl that has any 2 of those"

    Reminds me of the joke where a guy gets married in his 20s to a beautiful woman, but she bleeds him dry financially and he gets divorced.

    So he gets married again in his 30s to a smart girl, but she gives him an inferiority complex big time, and they separate.

    Then when asked what he goes for in his 40s... and he says "big tits".

  • spectro (unregistered) in reply to fruey
    fruey:
    Actually I think attractive and mentally stable are already mutually exclusive, especially at extremes of the scale.

    Actually they are pretty common, but they are all married :-(

  • SickOfPoliticalBlindness (unregistered) in reply to Tax Payer
    Tax Payer:
    Actually, you don't have to buy QuickTax to maximize your taxes. Just vote for Obama.

    (Not saying the other guy's much better...)

    Actually, both candidates will lower your taxes (thus increasing national debt). Do a little research before you go to the voting booth and before you make assumptions like that.

  • NotTheDroidYou'reLookingFor (unregistered) in reply to UltraApple
    UltraApple:
    my name is missing:
    Still lemonade is either (1) made in the backwoods of Kentucky or (2) often changes unexpectedly into prune juice.
    It's funny how a simple culture difference makes people COMPLETELY MISS the simple math involved in this WTF.
    (3 / 2) > 1 LOL!!!!1!!~eleven

    Stop me if you've heard this one: (1 * 3) < (3 / .5)

  • RBoy (unregistered)

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  • Jimmy Jones (unregistered) in reply to ParkinT
    ParkinT:
    On a similar note, I recently went into McDonalds - I wanted to try the new chocolate covered ice cream cone.

    The young girl pressed on the flat panel display in front of her, then looked up and asked, "Is that for Here or To Go?"

    {I was dumbfounded and asked if she would put it in a different container based on my answer}

    Don't know where you live but around here if it's "to go" then you don't pay taxes on dairy products, ie. it's cheaper.

  • anonymfus (unregistered)

    Is there a skimmer on this ATM?

  • LEGO (unregistered) in reply to Waffle
    Waffle:
    ParkinT:
    You can have it: Right Cheap Fast

    Choose two.

    Which naturally brings to the adage about girls:

    Attractive Signle Mentally Stable

    Choose two.

    I've dated Attractive girls, and Mentally Stable girls, and even some Fast and Cheap ones. I married the Right one, but what is a signle girl?

    -Lego.

  • Jules Winnfield (unregistered) in reply to topspin

    We seem to have a fair number of foreign readers. I have a question, what do they call a "McDonalds Quarterpounder" in Europe? Do they translate the weight into kilos? I suppose Burger King wouldn't have that problem with the Whopper.

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    I was leaving a comment and my comment was

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