• SomeCoder (unregistered) in reply to Jules Winnfield
    Jules Winnfield:
    We seem to have a fair number of foreign readers. I have a question, what do they call a "McDonalds Quarterpounder" in Europe? Do they translate the weight into kilos? I suppose Burger King wouldn't have that problem with the Whopper.

    A Royal with cheese?

    No, he doesn't look like a bitch!

  • (cs) in reply to SCB
    SCB:
    hatterson:
    Solution 2 (I like to call this the real way): I obtain the database password, it doesn't matter how. In the scenario passwords are stored after being passed through a one way hash. I can look at the database and see the hashed values of all passwords, however assuming you used an even remotely decent hash function I am still screwed because I cannot feasibly reverse the hash function and I am essentially stuck with a guessing game. In other words, having access to the database and/or code base gets me no closer to knowing a users password.

    Many people (myself included) use the same password, or a small variation of it, for many things. Sure the database itself might only be users and passwords for something as trivial as a forum discussing fantasy football, however that same password could also be the same as the password I use to log into my stock trading account, or my bank account.

    But if you now have access to everything in the database, why would you want a user's password?

  • sf (unregistered) in reply to MadJo@Work
    MadJo@Work:
    That password is of course very secure. No one would ever suspect that you have 38 asterixes (asterii?) as password.
    I counted them too after seeing your post just to see if you really counted them yourself. I guess that makes me even more pathetic (no offense.)
  • PublicLurker (unregistered) in reply to SickOfPoliticalBlindness
    SickOfPoliticalBlindness:
    Tax Payer:
    Actually, you don't have to buy QuickTax to maximize your taxes. Just vote for Obama.

    (Not saying the other guy's much better...)

    Actually, both candidates will lower your taxes (thus increasing national debt). Do a little research before you go to the voting booth and before you make assumptions like that.

    funny, last time i checked, my taxes would go down with Obama, and most likely go up with McCain due to taxing my medical insurance as income. but then again with McCain, it all depends on which side of the flip flop he's on that particular day, or if it was just one of his blatant lies.

  • irritated-person (unregistered)

    Hey, that's a Gilbarco DCR! (dispenser card reader, fueling pump)

    Got to love those prompts. Basically in this case, the site's servicer fucked up and installed the wrong prompt file for that keypad (the message should be "Debit, Y/N?")

  • ObamaTruth (unregistered) in reply to PublicLurker
    PublicLurker:
    SickOfPoliticalBlindness:
    Tax Payer:
    Actually, you don't have to buy QuickTax to maximize your taxes. Just vote for Obama.

    (Not saying the other guy's much better...)

    Actually, both candidates will lower your taxes (thus increasing national debt). Do a little research before you go to the voting booth and before you make assumptions like that.

    funny, last time i checked, my taxes would go down with Obama, and most likely go up with McCain due to taxing my medical insurance as income. but then again with McCain, it all depends on which side of the flip flop he's on that particular day, or if it was just one of his blatant lies.

    If you don't realize by now that Barack Obama is the liar then you just haven't been paying attention.

  • Omega Minus (unregistered)

    Welcome to the Daily WTF!

    Come for the comedy...

    Stay for the tax-law lessons and the consummate political debate.

  • Loren Pechtel (unregistered)

    "A required resource was"

    Sensible message. It's saying that a required resource died.

  • Rick (unregistered)

    Regarding the discussion about database passwords, you should ALWAYS encrypt your database passwords, even if you think your database is secure. You never know what might happen. One site I frequent used to store their login passwords unencrypted in their database. Then, one evening, someone broke into their office and stole a hard drive containing all the passwords. Now, this theif had access to hundreds of thousands of email address / password combinations. And as someone already mentioned, many people tend to use the same password for many things. This site may have just been a random useless forum on the Internet, but it's quite possible that many people used the same password to log in to their bank accounts, or other important information.

    This is why you always encyrpt passwords. As another person stated, using a hash isn't difficult.

  • Rick (unregistered)

    And regarding the discussion over taxes and the election, anyone who believes Obama will lower taxes is a damn fool. Of course, McCain isn't any better, but I'm tired of hearing people think that Obama is the coming Savior of the world.

  • IByte (unregistered)

    It's great that the required resource was OK, but why would it tell you?

  • Butter (unregistered)

    Obama and McCain are both politicians, and thus, both liars. Simple.

    As for the McDonald's WTF, when I hear things like that, I usually conclude they're required to ask every time, whether it makes sense or not.

    The required resource one is obvious, it

  • (cs) in reply to irritated-person
    irritated-person:
    Hey, that's a Gilbarco DCR! (dispenser card reader, fueling pump)

    Got to love those prompts. Basically in this case, the site's servicer fucked up and installed the wrong prompt file for that keypad (the message should be "Debit, Y/N?")

    This is honestly my favorite reason for reading Error'd: finding the one person who actually knows WhyTF the WTF happened.

    Waffle:
    Which naturally brings to the adage about girls:

    Attractive Signle Mentally Stable

    Choose two.

    Actually you can have all three, but there's a fourth condition which is:

    Won't treat you like an intestinal parasite [/bitter]

  • _ge_ (unregistered) in reply to LEGO
    LEGO:
    Waffle:
    ParkinT:
    You can have it: Right Cheap Fast

    Choose two.

    Which naturally brings to the adage about girls:

    Attractive Signle Mentally Stable

    Choose two.

    I've dated Attractive girls, and Mentally Stable girls, and even some Fast and Cheap ones. I married the Right one, but what is a signle girl? -Lego.
    Easy. You're dating a girl and you're looking for a sign, right? You're not just looking for "great," you're looking for "greater."

    Unfortunately, in this case, you get a girl who's less than or equal to.

    I think the boolean logic may be messed up.

  • (cs) in reply to Jules Winnfield
    Jules Winnfield:
    We seem to have a fair number of foreign readers. I have a question, what do they call a "McDonalds Quarterpounder" in Europe? Do they translate the weight into kilos? I suppose Burger King wouldn't have that problem with the Whopper.
    When I was visiting Paris a few years ago, it was a Royale with Cheese, like Vincent said in the movie. This was in the tourist part, so I don't know if it was something more like Royale d'frommage or some such out in the rest of the country.
  • (cs) in reply to ParkinT
    ParkinT:
    The "Debit or Credit?" reminds me of the adage about software development:

    On a similar note, I recently went into McDonalds - I wanted to try the new chocolate covered ice cream cone. Standing at the counter I ordered [nothing else but] one ice cream cone. The young girl pressed on the flat panel display in front of her, then looked up and asked, "Is that for Here or To Go?"

    Heard on My Word:

    "Is that to eat here, or to take away?"

    "Actually, now that I think about it, I'd like to do both."

  • Greg (unregistered)

    The ATM one is easy. Notice how the 1 and 2 buttons are the most worn :)

  • Rocketboy (unregistered) in reply to ThomsonsPier
    ThomsonsPier:
    MadJo@Work:
    asterixes (asterii?)
    Asterisks.

    Asterin. The moosen in the woodsisin near the boxin with the Asterin.

    Can I have a sno-cone now?

    (I'll have 1 twisty-goo, 2 odio)

  • (cs) in reply to bugmenot1
    bugmenot1:
    Richard:
    ParkinT:
    {I was dumbfounded and asked if she would put it in a different container based on my answer}

    In some countries, the tax rate is different for take-away cold food and served-in cold food.

    In Germany the taxes for food is around 7 percent, but for anything else 19 percent.
    TRWTF is Germany, where they tax your income up to 45% but still feel the need to tax everything else at 19% except food. Food is taxed at generous 7%, which I might note is higher than the sales tax on non-food, non-clothing items in nearly every state in the USA.

    OPPRESSION AND THIEVERY.

  • Rocketboy (unregistered) in reply to topspin
    topspin:
    BtEO:
    me:
    This happens about every other time with me in McDonalds

    "Quarterpounder meal with coke, please" "What drink would you like with that?" "... coke, please"

    In my retail experience that probably just means a significant number of people say coke initially no matter what drink they actually want. You learn quickly in a job of that sort there are certain things that customers will say without realising how amazingly unhelpful they are for the person the other side of the till.

    If they order coke serve them their fucking coke and don't annoy people who are intelligent enough to only order what they want.

    So, if someone orders a soda, you just give them carbonated water? Or if they order a pop, do you give them someone's father? How about Milkshakes? Subs? Grinders? Hot Dogs? Weiners? Modos?

  • (cs) in reply to SEGEEK
    SEGEEK:
    Whenever I travel to Germany its always hard to find bottled 'Still' water that I am used to as an American because the norm for water there is mineral water.
    You're right 'bout the mineral water thing, but you can get still mineral water nearly everywhere (excluding vending machines), including brands that taste just like (clean) tap water. Or is still water something different in America?
  • (cs)

    BTW: The fizziest water I ever drank was from Scotland, probably Highland Springs. Bought a couple of bottles during a class trip to London. Man, that stuff's vicious, in a good way :>

  • AntiQuercus (unregistered) in reply to Loren Pechtel

    The required resource was the missing remainder of the string.

    BTW, not a good idea to reuse bank passwords for web forums. Have a crappy throwaway password for web forums. I would tell you mine, but it is a little pungent for a genteel forum like this.

  • Greg (unregistered)

    The "A required resource was" dialog is what Windows pops up when it runs out of GDI resources and you ask for more.

  • (cs) in reply to hatterson
    hatterson:
    Solution 2 (I like to call this the real way): I obtain the database password, it doesn't matter how. In the scenario passwords are stored after being passed through a one way hash. I can look at the database and see the hashed values of all passwords, however assuming you used an even remotely decent hash function I am still screwed because I cannot feasibly reverse the hash function and I am essentially stuck with a guessing game. In other words, having access to the database and/or code base gets me no closer to knowing a users password.

    You need to take a security seminar. If one obtains the database password, they can download the database, yes? Once they have the database on their own computer, they no longer need to connect to the database to crack the passwords. Checking trillions upon trillions of permutations across a network would look a bit suspicious, yes? But doing it on their own hard drives would be invisible to you. If they know how you hash, they can then hash their own passwords and compare it to the database. Once they have the password for an actual user, they can log in using that password and be more inconspicuous.

    Hashes and strong passwords make this process far more difficult, mind you, but does not automatically make the database of password hashes useless.

    See The Cuckoo's Egg for an example of a hacker that did just that.

  • Xythar (unregistered)

    The real WTF is and always will be how many people fall for TopCod3r.

    Every. Single. Time.

    Mr. Cod3r, my hat is off to you.

  • Wild Thing (unregistered) in reply to Addison
    Addison:
    Imagine a corporate entity that requires you do EVERYTHING in superhuman speed. Imagine also that you just served at least 150 people in a span of 7 hours. What's easier- taking the mental effort to decide whether this faceless man standing front of you might have a use in saying it's to go or just asking because that's what you did the last 8000 times, not to mention that's what the policy says.

    When I worked on cash at McDonalds I couldn't tell you my middle name. If someone ordered more then one thing I couldn't remember their order and had to look at the receipt. It's one of the most draining jobs on the planet and the abuse people put them through just serves to make it worse.

    Alex, blue this please!

  • (cs) in reply to SEGEEK
    The Still lemonade means that it is not made with mineral water.

    Actually, it just means the lemonade is not fizzy.

  • Fan (unregistered)

    I just want to say, the completely innocent original post followed by subtle troll followups works much better than the last few immediate posts. Thank you making comments fun to read :)

  • (cs) in reply to Jules Winnfield
    Jules Winnfield:
    We seem to have a fair number of foreign readers. I have a question, what do they call a "McDonalds Quarterpounder" in Europe?

    In the UK, its called a "Quarter Pounder", but then we haven't fully embraced metric standards like mainland europe.

    Here, distances are measured in metres, except on the road where we still use miles, and yards.

    Liquids are measured in litres. Except milk, beer and blood, which is normally quoted in pints. Although not usually mixed together.

    Weights are measured in [kilo]grams, except people. But we don't just use pounds for that, oh no, we like to use stones as well!

    Edit: Oh, and steaks are still measured in ounces. But only in restaurants. If you buy it in the supermarket, it'll be grams.

    Addendum (2008-09-26 03:29): Beer is also, of course, sold in pints.

    Addendum (2008-09-26 03:29): Oh wait. I did put beer. Dunno why i thought i didn't. Its too early, my brain hasn't had a chance to warm up :-)

  • loosely_coupled (unregistered) in reply to Rick

    Well, in fact, if you make less than $250,000 a year, then your taxes will go down slightly, but that sort of triviality isn't important to me.

    Barack Obama is not the savior of the world, but he is a very intelligent, educated, and inspiring politician. He is kind, compassionate, and has worked for many years to affect positive change in this country. He respects the foundations of our democracy and constitution, and the critical importance of civil liberties and human rights. He has a global worldview and he understands diplomacy and the importance of international cooperation in global affairs.

    Basically, he is everything George bush and john McCain are not. I used to be a fan of John McCain, but boy has he changed in the last eight years. It appears he has abandoned all his core principals in his efforts to gain power in the party and get elected. And as much as I didn't really like John Kerry, his picture next to "flip-flopper" in the dictionary has definitely been replaced with McCain, as McCain has been ALL OVER the map on nearly every important issue in the campaign.

    He says he's an anti-lobbyist warrior, yet half of his inner circle top campaign staff are LOBBYISTS! My god. He tries to call out Obama about nebulous ties to Fannie Mae executives when his head campaign manager's lobbying company continues to receive $30K a month from them! Not to mention Phil Gram, his economic advisor and the man who he was going to make treasury secretary, actually wrote the legislation that allowed commercial lenders to get all tied into Wallstreet investment banks which is primarily what precipitated the current financial crisis!

    Between all of his flip-flopping double-talk, his embrace of religious zealots, and his choice of Sarah "Humans-lived-with-dinosaurs-after-god-created-earth-the-10,000-years-ago and climate-change-is-a-liberal-conspiracy" Palin as VP, this guy has lost his freaking mind.

  • Drak (unregistered)

    In Holland, the Quarterpounder is called... "Quarterpounder"

    Mind you, when it was introduced the ad did specify the weight in grams if I recall correctly.

  • (cs) in reply to Xeron
    Xeron:
    Here, distances are measured in metres, except on the road where we still use miles, and yards.
    Yes, I'm 0.00168 Km tall. And my car does 12.6 Km to the Litre. Only kidding - we have a crazy system here, but we love it. And we'll never give up the pint!
  • (cs) in reply to operagost
    operagost:
    TRWTF is Germany, where they tax your income up to 45% but still feel the need to tax everything else at 19% except food. Food is taxed at generous 7%, which I might note is higher than the sales tax on non-food, non-clothing items in nearly every state in the USA.

    OPPRESSION AND THIEVERY.

    Agreed, but lest not forget that these 45% also include health care insurance, retirement savings and such. TRWTF is Switzerland, where prices for most stuff are 20-30% higher than in Germany, despite our lower VAT rate of 7.5%. :(

  • sjw (unregistered)

    Regarding VAT in UK. It used to be the case that VAT was charged on food eaten on premises, but not for take away. This meant that everything on the McDonalds menu had two prices, and caused no end of confusion. I know, once I ordered a meal to go, but as I was going out the door, noticed it had started to rain, so decided to eat inside - only to have an employee insist I leave.

    But, then in the 80s the rule was changed so that all hot prepared food (I think that's the rule) was subject to VAT. This still means that cold food is only taxed if eaten in, but I think McDonalds and other fast food places, have decided it's simpler to just charge the same price, and sor the tax out themselves.

    But many coffee and sandwich shops, have two prices for cold food. The problem is most do not say that this is because of VAT, and I expect most customers think they're being charged for the seating.

  • Rocketboy (unregistered) in reply to loosely_coupled

    Too long, didn't read.

    And captcha's looking to pick a fight... Quit augue(ing) with me!

    (either that, or now Captcha is stuck on zork)

  • aargg (unregistered)

    I believe the required resource was the end of the error message .

  • Captain Obvious (unregistered)

    The ATM "Debit or Credit" message looks like a "greeting", where the machine detects card type upon insertion.

  • Calli Arcale (unregistered) in reply to kshade
    kshade:
    SEGEEK:
    Whenever I travel to Germany its always hard to find bottled 'Still' water that I am used to as an American because the norm for water there is mineral water.
    You're right 'bout the mineral water thing, but you can get still mineral water nearly everywhere (excluding vending machines), including brands that taste just like (clean) tap water. Or is still water something different in America?

    In North America (or at least Minnesota), the term "still water" is not commonly used. We just call that "water". If water has bubbles in it, we call it "sparkling water". This is why there have been so many amusing comments attempting to interpret (or just have fun with) the term "still".

    Mineral water here is usually sold sparkling.

  • Calli Arcale (unregistered) in reply to SCB
    SCB:
    But if you now have access to everything in the database, why would you want a user's password?

    Why assume that the user account database is the only thing on the system? Many systems store user account information separately from the really interesting things. They use the password database just to tell if a particular user should be allowed to do certain things. So gaining access to the password database doesn't help you get at anything really useful -- unless you also manage to pull out some username/password combinations, which will allow you to authenticate as someone whom you believe has particularly interesting access (root, for example).

    Not every system is just an Internet discussion forum. Some are computer networks. Breaking into a domain controller's password file doesn't, in and of itself, give you access to anything else. But getting valid username/password combos out of it opens a lot of other doors.

  • csm (unregistered)

    Clerk: "What would you like?" Me: "I'll have a number 4 with a coke" Clerk: "The meal or just the sandwich?"

    The McDonald's stories are endless...

  • (cs) in reply to ParkinT
    ParkinT:
    On a similar note, I recently went into McDonalds - I wanted to try the new chocolate covered ice cream cone. Standing at the counter I ordered [nothing else but] one ice cream cone. The young girl pressed on the flat panel display in front of her, then looked up and asked, "Is that for Here or To Go?"

    {I was dumbfounded and asked if she would put it in a different container based on my answer}

    At least in Ohio, you would pay taxes on "eat here' orders. "Entertainment tax"

  • Vic Tim (unregistered) in reply to Addison
    Addison:
    When I worked on cash at McDonalds I couldn't tell you my middle name. If someone ordered more then one thing I couldn't remember their order and had to look at the receipt. It's one of the most draining jobs on the planet and the abuse people put them through just serves to make it worse.

    Hmm, this is the second time a TDWTF comment reminded me of the only Spongebob ep with anything intelligent in it, ever.

  • Vic Tim (unregistered)

    And of course he has to be extra-careful with that userPassword... he's on the LAM!

  • Kallahan (unregistered) in reply to Waffle

    Attractive and single every time, metal stability is for the weak.

  • AntiQuercus (unregistered) in reply to hatterson

    A new wtf. Using the same password for web forums as for your bank account.

    Use a hierarchy of passwords, not just one with small variations. Have a crappy throwaway password for forums, and better passwords/phrases for computer accounts, bank accounts, pgp and ssh identities.

    If you can't keep them all straight, get a password safe for your pda/phone with a strong master passphrase and state of the art encryption.

  • AntiQuercus (unregistered) in reply to Xeron

    Now, if it was beer and not lemonade, "still" would be a euphemism for "flat".

  • (cs) in reply to Xeron

    Oh, i forgot the best part about UK measurements; we buy petrol in litres, but most people still calculate fuel consumption in miles to the gallon.

  • Mr^B (unregistered) in reply to Xeron
    Xeron:
    Oh, i forgot the best part about UK measurements; we buy petrol in litres, but most people still calculate fuel consumption in miles to the gallon.

    I'd say that temperatures were worse.

    Hot temperatures are measured in degrees F Cold temperatures are measured in degrees C

    catchpa: ideo - "having a good idea that you almost instantly realise is unworkable".

  • _ (unregistered) in reply to bugmenot1

    there, once you take your food into a shop it just turns out to be plastic.

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