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Finland...
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Considering he clicked something on a server tells me it's a half-baked Windows server that's probably infected already anyway.
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And if you knew the OS as well as those of us are a little more rational about it's capabilities and limitations, you would realize that if a restart cannot be killed through killing the process, there are one of two main possibilities:
A) There is another parent process (probably the original installer) that is relaunching the killed process. In this case the problem is with the application, not the OS and the solution would be to kill the parent process before killing the child.
B) It is using the system shutdown functionality. In this case, a simple "shutdown -a" will abort it.
An OS isn't yours or theirs. It is (for PCs) just a bunch of software that runs on a bunch of hardware that you have and that does more or less what is is written to do.
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I will say, what Linux does well, it does very well. But there's something to be said for an OS that doesn't require every user to have advanced computer knowledge to get all the components working. The fact that anyone can use Windows with minimal training is both its strength, and - as this site highlights - its weakness.
I'm not fishing for a list of OSes. You could suggest OSX, BSD, Unix, etc., but in the end they'll all have strengths and weaknesses. My point is that you shouldn't assume everyone uses Windows because they haven't tried anything else. Some of us have, and for one reason or another, actually found your golden OS lacking.
In the end, I don't want to tell the OS how to do everything, I'd just like my computer to analyze some data, send a report to the printer, play a video of a cat jumping in a box, or do some other computer things. A perfect OS will do all these things without you noticing the OS at all. If Unix does all these things for you without effort on your part, that's great! But my experiences have not been so fortunate, so I'm stuck with Windows which works pretty well - except when it doesn't.
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"I guess even computer's find errors to be painful."
I find bad grammar painful.
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Exactly. Like Microsoft Word. Or iTunes on the Mac.
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Yeah, it turns out that is what comes up when you try to boot a G4 Mac with an Intel version of OSX (or the other way around. I don't recall what I was doing exactly that day).
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What really baffles me is people who get smug and stuck up about the fact that they USE a certain product. If you were instrumental in CREATING Linux, I could certainly understand you being proud of your achievement. I could even comprehend you being smug about its superiorities over competing products and tolerate the inherent rudeness. But if you had nothing to do with inventing it, exactly what is it that you're so proud of?
I routinely get a laugh out of teenagers who think they're so much better than the older generation because THEY grew up with cell phones and the Internet and iPods and the previous generation didn't. Umm, maybe the reason why you grew up with those things while the previous generation didn't, is because the previous generation invented them.
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I'm a people person!
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The best is what we get, software updates roll out to our computers, then a prompt comes up:
"You need to reboot your computer, reboot will occur in 60 seconds ...; <OK>" .. and it starts counting down ... of course, as soon as you click OK, it reboots .. (oh, did I mention it's a modal Popup? Yep, can't get to anything else to save/close/whatever ..) sigh
Captcha: tego - Lego for gifted children ...
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You're welcome.
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Ok, free association Friday. My favorite!
I'm going with:
Salmiak
Mmmm more salmiak please!
--Lego
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Re-Wuschel?
Well first time I ever read the term "pay phrase". After looking it up, all i can say is TRWTF is "Pay Phrase"!
Obligatory Meme: "I have phrased your pay! Pray that i don't pay your phrase!"
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By hook or by crook, we will!
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Did you "get all the components working"? And do you lack "advanced computer knowledge"? If so, congratulations. I think you'll find most Windows users let some other person -- with "advanced computer knowledge" -- "get all the components working".
Buy a system with your OS of choice preinstalled and preconfigured if you don't want to set it up yourself. Or, set it up yourself and expect to do some work.
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Actually this was triggered by Windows Updates -- a "feature" of the OS -- necessary because there seem to be a half dozen "anyone anywhere can root your computer" bugs every month, despite that "the most secure version of Windows ever" was up to Service Pack 3 by then.
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Some Windows updates WILL restart your computer without asking you. It even announces itself, something along the lines of "Windows has finished installing updates and will now restart your computer in xxx seconds." It does give you the option to cancel, but if you happen to be at lunch or in the middle of rendering a movie or something, guess what?
Windows Server 2008 is configured out of the box to install updates and reboot itself automatically.
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shutdown -a
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Much appreciated Typinator. I hope the aforesaid monetary amusement goes to a good charity. If not, I'll be happy to open my own, and accept all proceeds. ;)
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That computer is in so much pain, it's screaming! "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh!" Maybe that noise on the address bus caused the errors. I just wonder if it's in as much pain as the grammar Nazi in me seeing that misplaced apostrophe - to say nothing of the random "Chris" below.
I really wonder, too, how dummy text gets on a printed ad inside a machine.
Samsung definitely has some ODD firmware. Especially if by ODD you mean broken. Visual Studio 6 is another one that has the nice "feature" of lacking a "don't reboot now" option - but the worst offender is IE6, which reboots without even a warning after it's done. There were also some versions of Windows Update that only give you a "rebooting in 5 minutes" warning, or a "reboot now?" prompt - the problem with the latter was, if you clicked no, it'd pop up again 5 minutes later, stealing focus, with Yes selected, inevitably while you were in the middle of typing something with spaces in it.
Clearly, TRWTF is that I was installing IE6 (and moreso that I had to to make various important parts of the OS work).
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Personally, I have no issues with Windows (Vista). It's been running problem free for me for years. I also have an Ubuntu box at home, which if my favorite Linux distro by far. At the office I use Fedora... which isn't bad, but has crappy drivers. I've yet to find a stable driver for my ATI card.
Captcha = verto. Russian for "turn around", "translate", "exchange", "retreat". All quite descriptive terms when pondering an OS change.
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And if you're doing a 24-hour rendering, why don't you just turn auto-updates off? (For that matter, which version of Windows still has a reboot without asking??)
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FWIW, "The system is rebooted" is an artifact of translation from Korean by a person unfamiliar with English grammar.
Korean makes no distinction between the present and future tense, so 'the system is rebooted' and 'the system will be rebooted' are both in the non-past tense.
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I have seen Dan's complaint, though, with updates that allow you to stop them from rebooting if you notice the popup during the minute or so it's up. That is one of the first things I disable on a new Windows install, along with the hidden setting to not have it pop up a new dialog asking if you want to reboot now (how about now? Now?) every couple minutes. That dialog is certainly among the many WTFs of Windows, but at least you can get rid of it if you dig.
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Though now checking Wikipedia he said it in Australia, not the Philippines, and Wikipedia is never wrong. For long.
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And even that's not as good as the abbreviated truncated receipt my grocery store prints for Land O' Lakes Spreadable Butter - it comes through as "SPREAD BUTT". I'm not sure if it was an automated system with a bad result, or someone being snarky, but it's always fun to be checking out and have the big info display say, "SPREAD BUTT" to everyone in line behind you.
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I demand that all The Judge's comments be made featured comments.
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Actually, if you happen to be using a user account with limited privileges while Windows installs an automatic update which initiates reboot, you're stuck with no way to cancel that reboot.
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Ever heard of kexec and ksplice?
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The update is completed. Reboot imminent. Resistance is futile.
Captcha: consequat
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There's different sorts of production ranging from "have a cup of coffee Jenny because you can't do any data entry for five minutes" to "OMFG the line has stopped and the hot steel rod is burning the expensive coating off the rollers".
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Though around here a patient's life is valued at the equivalent of $5M** by the actuarians; maybe the coatings on the rollers in the steel plant actually cost more to fix!?
**$5M: I'm not from the US; it probably costs 10x that much there because of "deep pockets" lawsuits.
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Hey frits, what's your IP?
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Oh, I've seen that Samsung ODD (Optical Disc Drive) firmware update program. It's totally written in Korean Engrish. It took me a long time to find out that when it says "a program" it really means "this program".
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Kernel updates are much easier curiously because the kernel isn't tightly bound into nearly so many things.
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All you have to do is reload all services. That's basically a complete userspace reboot without actually rebooting. And thanks to the wonderful fork/exec combo, network services can do full reload literally in the middle of transmission without the user noticing anything.
That's not true. Kernel is bound into everything through libc. You can replace parts of the running kernel using ksplice but AFAIK you can't reload the kernel without killing the entire userspace. kexec speeds up the reboot procedure by skipping BIOS initialization and bootloader but it still has to reinitialize userspace from scratch.