• (cs) in reply to Xarium
    Xarium:
    A long time ago I put my Start Menu at the top of the screen to test what it was like having it up amoungst the rest of the menus.  I have kept it only partially for that reason because it has proved to be a stunningly accurate (and early/fast) software worthiness filter.  It works like this; I install a piece of software and if it breaks or does something stupid because the Start Menu isn't where the code assumes it is (like the above piece of code does) I uninstall it immediately.
    You'd be surprised how many previously reputable software companies have failed this simple test.  No Adobe product will never be installed be me again - sadly, I haven't found a way to replace Flash yet, but then it hasn't been an Adobe product for as long either.


    Wait.

    How does Adobe software conflict with your head-mounted taskbar? Palette coordinates? Doe Fullscreen-Mode 1 drop the menubar behind your taskbar?
  • (cs) in reply to aikimark
    aikimark:

    niushiko:

    <font size="2">could you, please, tell the same to my supervisors? I would really appreciate. especially this bit about "had to learn a lot after earning my degree". thanks in advance.</font>

    I would be glad to.  I've been a software instructor since 1990, with most of my students continuing their education on new technologies and necessary skills.  I went to a fine university and eventually graduated (threatened with tenure as undergrad) with extra CompSci courses I wouldn't have had after just four years.  Yes, I was a mediocre student which didn't help matters.  Part of the problem I've already identified, requiring continued learning, was state-of-the-art at the time I went to school is not state-of-the-art now.  Since I went to a liberal arts university, I was forced to take classes other than CompSci, which further limited my exposure to CompSci topics.  Moreover, my school didn't offer a CompSci undergrad degree meaning that my core degree courses were a combination of Math, CompSci, and Physics.  At the time I thought this diluted my CompSci education.  I now realize the wider science exposure was good for me.  Fortunately, there is now a CompSci undergrad degree and I think the graduates are probably better prepared than I was.

    I don't remember how many courses I took as a systems programmer, but they were necessary for me to do an adequate job with the IBM systems we maintained.  Some of my technical learning was self-directed and initiated, reading entire IBM technical documents.  That was a painful memory.  Ouch.

    When I entered the world of technical instruction, I benefited from a mentor.  Providing me guidelines, goals, feedback, etc.  I was learning how to teach even while I was teaching.

    Through 28 years in the IT field, I've seen managers chop training budgets viciously and wantonly, with no regard to the future health of their department.  Their staffs are unprepared to assimilate new technologies quickly.  Managers then have to turn to more expensive outside consultants and the IT shop is perceived as being inadequate.  When it comes time to restructure the corporation, the IT staff or function is often outsourced or downsized.  There's an interesting analogy in American politics at the federal level.  When Ronald Reagan became president, a group of conservatives began to slash the budgets of social programs they didn't like.  Later, they would evaluate the (now) poorly performing programs and recommend that they be discontinued based on their poor performance.  I think some IT managers have achieved similar results...some consciously and some inadverdently.

    Richard Nixon:
    Please say what you mean. If you wanted to insult me, just insult me. On the other hand, if you are merely using the language without a proper understanding of it, stop communicating in it.

    You are probaly correct.  I should have been more specific in my choice of phrasing.  Since both you and Goatcheez included the full text of each other's prior comment, I could request a shorter quote (assuming your laziness) or suggest there was a better way you could learn (assuming ignorance).  Between the two assumptions, I choose ignorance.  If you would rather assert laziness, I will not argue with you or get into a flaming session.  My corrected bullet follows.  Thank you for your considered feedback.

    • (please) trim the quoted text you use in your reponses to each other in order to minimize the textual 'clutter' of this discussion and your little flame-war.


    I have considered your suggestion and, while I do understand your feelings on the matter, am denying it. Why should I care what you think?

    Sincerely,
    Richard Nixon
  • (cs) in reply to Richard Nixon

    Richard Nixon:

    I have considered your suggestion and, while I do understand your feelings on the matter, am denying it. Why should I care what you think?

    I'm not sure I understand "...am denying it."  You aren't in a position to deny the existence of someone else's opions/feelings on a subject without sounding rather delusional, perhaps with a twinge of narcissism.

    As for why you should care what I, or anyone else on thedailywtf.com forum, should think...

    • Forum Decorum
    • Civility
    • Maturity (or appearance of it)
    • Intelligence (or appearance of it)
    • Good social breeding (or appearance of it)
    • Practice in a cyber setting what you may need in a business setting.
    • Our respect (for your words and opinions) -- sort of a quid pro quo arrangement.
    • Brevity
    • Compensation for the kludgy navigation in this forum interface
    • Avoid the attention of Alex and keep this forum mostly unmoderated.
    • Avoid flaming wars that detract from the WTF's discussion of crappy code and related issues (standards, CS education, pointy-haired bosses, users, etc.)

    Maybe I should ask you:

    1. Are there more reasons for you not to care than to care?
    2. Are the reason(s) you don't care simply outweighing the reason(s) you might care?
    3. What value or benefits do you perceive that you draw from not caring?
  • (cs) in reply to aikimark
    aikimark:

    Richard Nixon:

    I have considered your suggestion and, while I do understand your feelings on the matter, am denying it. Why should I care what you think?

    I'm not sure I understand "...am denying it."  You aren't in a position to deny the existence of someone else's opions/feelings on a subject without sounding rather delusional, perhaps with a twinge of narcissism.

    As for why you should care what I, or anyone else on thedailywtf.com forum, should think...

    • Forum Decorum
    • Civility
    • Maturity (or appearance of it)
    • Intelligence (or appearance of it)
    • Good social breeding (or appearance of it)
    • Practice in a cyber setting what you may need in a business setting.
    • Our respect (for your words and opinions) -- sort of a quid pro quo arrangement.
    • Brevity
    • Compensation for the kludgy navigation in this forum interface
    • Avoid the attention of Alex and keep this forum mostly unmoderated.
    • Avoid flaming wars that detract from the WTF's discussion of crappy code and related issues (standards, CS education, pointy-haired bosses, users, etc.)

    Maybe I should ask you:

    1. Are there more reasons for you not to care than to care?
    2. Are the reason(s) you don't care simply outweighing the reason(s) you might care?
    3. What value or benefits do you perceive that you draw from not caring?


    I'm sorry junior. You're trying to play my game but you're failing. My statement was not that I was denying the existence of the suggestion. Read it again and don't ever try to question me again. I mean honestly, you've never heard the phrase "Your application for a loan was denied."? I'm sure someone of your limited talents must have heard that. Does that mean that the bank is telling you the application does not exist? No, of course not. Back to grade school moron!

    And what, my childlike friend, is why all your bullet points have no merit. No one but yourself has suggested I quote less text in the future (and actually, I often do cut down quoted text) therefore "or anyone else on thedailywtf.com forum" is right out the window. Because of your demonstrations that prove to me that you are not nearly my intellectual equal, I will not take any suggestions from you. Have a nice day!

    Sincerely,
    Richard Nixon
  • (cs) in reply to Richard Nixon
    Richard Nixon:
    aikimark:

    Richard Nixon:

    I have considered your suggestion and, while I do understand your feelings on the matter, am denying it. Why should I care what you think?

    I'm not sure I understand "...am denying it."  You aren't in a position to deny the existence of someone else's opions/feelings on a subject without sounding rather delusional, perhaps with a twinge of narcissism.

    As for why you should care what I, or anyone else on thedailywtf.com forum, should think...

    • Forum Decorum
    • Civility
    • Maturity (or appearance of it)
    • Intelligence (or appearance of it)
    • Good social breeding (or appearance of it)
    • Practice in a cyber setting what you may need in a business setting.
    • Our respect (for your words and opinions) -- sort of a quid pro quo arrangement.
    • Brevity
    • Compensation for the kludgy navigation in this forum interface
    • Avoid the attention of Alex and keep this forum mostly unmoderated.
    • Avoid flaming wars that detract from the WTF's discussion of crappy code and related issues (standards, CS education, pointy-haired bosses, users, etc.)

    Maybe I should ask you:

    1. Are there more reasons for you not to care than to care?
    2. Are the reason(s) you don't care simply outweighing the reason(s) you might care?
    3. What value or benefits do you perceive that you draw from not caring?


    I'm sorry junior. You're trying to play my game but you're failing. My statement was not that I was denying the existence of the suggestion. Read it again and don't ever try to question me again. I mean honestly, you've never heard the phrase "Your application for a loan was denied."? I'm sure someone of your limited talents must have heard that. Does that mean that the bank is telling you the application does not exist? No, of course not. Back to grade school moron!

    And what, my childlike friend, is why all your bullet points have no merit. No one but yourself has suggested I quote less text in the future (and actually, I often do cut down quoted text) therefore "or anyone else on thedailywtf.com forum" is right out the window. Because of your demonstrations that prove to me that you are not nearly my intellectual equal, I will not take any suggestions from you. Have a nice day!

    Sincerely,
    Richard Nixon


    I really don't want to get back into this... but...

    Nixon: Stop posting unless you have something to say related to the code. Your posts do nothing more than insult other forum readers. They contribute nothing to the threads. If anyone besides Nixon disagrees with me (no anon posts), then do so.
  • (cs) in reply to GoatCheez
    GoatCheez:
    Richard Nixon:
    aikimark:

    Richard Nixon:

    I have considered your suggestion and, while I do understand your feelings on the matter, am denying it. Why should I care what you think?

    I'm not sure I understand "...am denying it."  You aren't in a position to deny the existence of someone else's opions/feelings on a subject without sounding rather delusional, perhaps with a twinge of narcissism.

    As for why you should care what I, or anyone else on thedailywtf.com forum, should think...

    • Forum Decorum
    • Civility
    • Maturity (or appearance of it)
    • Intelligence (or appearance of it)
    • Good social breeding (or appearance of it)
    • Practice in a cyber setting what you may need in a business setting.
    • Our respect (for your words and opinions) -- sort of a quid pro quo arrangement.
    • Brevity
    • Compensation for the kludgy navigation in this forum interface
    • Avoid the attention of Alex and keep this forum mostly unmoderated.
    • Avoid flaming wars that detract from the WTF's discussion of crappy code and related issues (standards, CS education, pointy-haired bosses, users, etc.)

    Maybe I should ask you:

    1. Are there more reasons for you not to care than to care?
    2. Are the reason(s) you don't care simply outweighing the reason(s) you might care?
    3. What value or benefits do you perceive that you draw from not caring?


    I'm sorry junior. You're trying to play my game but you're failing. My statement was not that I was denying the existence of the suggestion. Read it again and don't ever try to question me again. I mean honestly, you've never heard the phrase "Your application for a loan was denied."? I'm sure someone of your limited talents must have heard that. Does that mean that the bank is telling you the application does not exist? No, of course not. Back to grade school moron!

    And what, my childlike friend, is why all your bullet points have no merit. No one but yourself has suggested I quote less text in the future (and actually, I often do cut down quoted text) therefore "or anyone else on thedailywtf.com forum" is right out the window. Because of your demonstrations that prove to me that you are not nearly my intellectual equal, I will not take any suggestions from you. Have a nice day!

    Sincerely,
    Richard Nixon


    I really don't want to get back into this... but...

    Nixon: Stop posting unless you have something to say related to the code. Your posts do nothing more than insult other forum readers. They contribute nothing to the threads. If anyone besides Nixon disagrees with me (no anon posts), then do so.


    Those in glass houses...

    What did your post add to the discussion friend?

    Sincerely,
    Richard Nixon
  • (cs) in reply to Richard Nixon
    Richard Nixon:
    GoatCheez:
    Richard Nixon:
    aikimark:

    Richard Nixon:

    I have considered your suggestion and, while I do understand your feelings on the matter, am denying it. Why should I care what you think?

    I'm not sure I understand "...am denying it."  You aren't in a position to deny the existence of someone else's opions/feelings on a subject without sounding rather delusional, perhaps with a twinge of narcissism.

    As for why you should care what I, or anyone else on thedailywtf.com forum, should think...

    • Forum Decorum
    • Civility
    • Maturity (or appearance of it)
    • Intelligence (or appearance of it)
    • Good social breeding (or appearance of it)
    • Practice in a cyber setting what you may need in a business setting.
    • Our respect (for your words and opinions) -- sort of a quid pro quo arrangement.
    • Brevity
    • Compensation for the kludgy navigation in this forum interface
    • Avoid the attention of Alex and keep this forum mostly unmoderated.
    • Avoid flaming wars that detract from the WTF's discussion of crappy code and related issues (standards, CS education, pointy-haired bosses, users, etc.)

    Maybe I should ask you:

    1. Are there more reasons for you not to care than to care?
    2. Are the reason(s) you don't care simply outweighing the reason(s) you might care?
    3. What value or benefits do you perceive that you draw from not caring?


    I'm sorry junior. You're trying to play my game but you're failing. My statement was not that I was denying the existence of the suggestion. Read it again and don't ever try to question me again. I mean honestly, you've never heard the phrase "Your application for a loan was denied."? I'm sure someone of your limited talents must have heard that. Does that mean that the bank is telling you the application does not exist? No, of course not. Back to grade school moron!

    And what, my childlike friend, is why all your bullet points have no merit. No one but yourself has suggested I quote less text in the future (and actually, I often do cut down quoted text) therefore "or anyone else on thedailywtf.com forum" is right out the window. Because of your demonstrations that prove to me that you are not nearly my intellectual equal, I will not take any suggestions from you. Have a nice day!

    Sincerely,
    Richard Nixon


    I really don't want to get back into this... but...

    Nixon: Stop posting unless you have something to say related to the code. Your posts do nothing more than insult other forum readers. They contribute nothing to the threads. If anyone besides Nixon disagrees with me (no anon posts), then do so.


    Those in glass houses...

    What did your post add to the discussion friend?

    Sincerely,
    Richard Nixon

    It was supposed to add the end of your non-related, insulting, pompous, choleric posts.
  • (cs) in reply to GoatCheez
    GoatCheez:

    It was supposed to add the end of your non-related, insulting, pompous, choleric posts.

    Oh ye of little wisdom, thou has yet to learn of the futility of arguing with nixon. Be like the lily, let him wash over and beyond you even in times of torrent, not the dam that is quickly washed away.
  • Troll Bait (unregistered) in reply to GoatCheez

    GoatCheez,

    My advice stop feeding the troll.

    Feeding the troll will only make it bigger. Ignoring it is the best course of action I have found from encountering such individuals on the UseNet.

    You cannot rationalize with such people and get them to change their behavior. That is what they want you to do.

  • (cs) in reply to Roelf_
    Roelf_:
    FrostCat:

    sao:
    i once typed 'teh' instead of 'the'.

    I used to know a guy who's last name was Teh.  The fun he had using Word...

    Back in the old dos days, i had batch files for every command i frequently mistyped, in the batchfile was the correct command with a bunch of arguments passed.

    I had diur.bat, dior.bat, dire.bat etc

    all of them had dir %1 %2 %3 %4 ..... in it.

    was very handy

    Yeah, learning how to type better wouldn't have been any good.

  • (cs) in reply to Richard Nixon

    Richard Nixon:
    I mean honestly, you've never heard the phrase "Your application for a loan was denied."? I'm sure someone of your limited talents must have heard that. Does that mean that the bank is telling you the application does not exist? No, of course not. Back to grade school moron!

    Nixon, you're a jackass.  But that _was_ funny.  Notice how I redacted the quoted text at no ones request.

  • (cs) in reply to JohnO

    John O,

    I guess the snap should be taken in a humorous vein.  So done (ha-ha).  What I'm struggling with is the applicability of the "deny" verb in the context of my "should" admonition.  Look at the uses on Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deny&db=*

    Only after I added the politely parenthetical "(please)" would one be able to take the bulleted item as a request.  Of course, this is splitting hairs over language semantics and may be better served in the SideBar forum, rather than in this WTF thread.  Can one of the posters please help explain this to me or point me to a definition that seems to fit this use?

    Thanks.  Happy Postponed-By-A-Second Year.

  • (cs)

    Apparently CS curriculum courses should contain "Net Psyche 101: Trolling, Flame-Baiting, and how (not) to respond."

  • (cs) in reply to Roelf_
    Roelf_:
    Back in the old dos days, i had batch files for every command i frequently mistyped, in the batchfile was the correct command with a bunch of arguments passed.

    I had diur.bat, dior.bat, dire.bat etc

    Good lord man, do you type with your forehead?

    I can't stop picturing Peter Griffins boss at the brewery..

  • Chris Unkel (unregistered)

    This reminds me of a bug in Microsoft Word 2000, and an associated workaround.

    There is a dialog box that has a checkbox and a numeric input field.  However, the script interface only allows one to set the numeric field.  The workaround is the following piece of code:

        Sub RemoveCellSpacing()
        
           Selection.Tables(1).Select

           With Selection.Tables(1)
              SendKeys "%s{Enter}"
              Dialogs(1080).Show
           End With

        End Sub

    See the full MS Knowledgebase article:  WD2000: Cannot Turn Off "Allow Spacing Between Cells" Option When Using Macro

  • (cs) in reply to foxyshadis
    foxyshadis:

    Oh ye of little wisdom, thou has yet to learn of the futility of arguing with nixon. Be like the lily, let him wash over and beyond you even in times of torrent, not the dam that is quickly washed away.


    Nice.

    I think this expresses it even better (adapted from a saying found on some TCG card): The wise man knows what the troll does not: that the power to ignore bullshit outlives the power to write it.
  • Richard Nixon (unregistered) in reply to Richard Nixon

    I am so stupid and just can't shut up so BAN me plz...

  • Curry (unregistered) in reply to Richard Nixon

    This code is pure genius. On my system it would open a Remote Desktop Connection to host regsvr32 automatically on port OCX_NAME. I've always wanted that.

  • (cs) in reply to GoatCheez
    GoatCheez:
    Nixon: Stop posting unless you have something to say related to the code. Your posts do nothing more than insult other forum readers. They contribute nothing to the threads. If anyone besides Nixon disagrees with me (no anon posts), then do so.

    The beauty of an online forum is that people can speak (type) their minds. Who are we to censure another poster? If you don't like what Tricky Dick is saying, ignore him. You must know by now that the worst thing you can do is argue with him.

    Personally, his crack about typos was the only post that actually made me laugh audibly.
  • (cs) in reply to John Smallberries

    John Smallberries:
    The beauty of an online forum is that people can speak (type) their minds. Who are we to censure another poster? If you don't like what Tricky Dick is saying, ignore him. You must know by now that the worst thing you can do is argue with him.

    Who we are?!? -- good cyber citizens who don't, and shouldn't, accept libelous and hateful posts.  If I didn't think that WTF was a good enough site to visit regularly and had some alternative site, I would walk away.  If you were on a dinner date in a really nice place or at a movie and someone and some jerk was rude to you and your date what would you do?  Ask them to be nice?  Complain to the manager?  I think that is what has taken place here.  If we act responsibly, we can all continue to enjoy this forum in its current state.

    I liken online forums to the town's well.  We can all share the water source that nurtures and sustains us.  The water tastes great and we all benefit until someone desides to use the well as a latrine.  If I were to misbehave in any forum, I would expect to be called to task as a result.  Misbehavior isn't restricted to flaming.  If I were to post a message with 500 empty (or jibberish) paragraphs, it would detract from the usefulness of the forum because all other readers would have to scroll past my post.  My post would take up hard drive space.  After some (assume it's coming) complaint, Alex will have to step in and clean up after me.  While Alex is doing this, he's not posting new WTF examples. [:(]

    We are all cyber citizens of every forum in which we participate.  We represent our community (you in Philly and me in Durham), our region (PA and NC), and country to the rest of the world.  We represent our IT profession or hobby.

    Being the brunt of Nixon's flaming wasn't particularly hurtful to me as much as it was distracting and annoying.  More importantly, such comments might discourage others to frequent this site which would be a real shame.  I think this site (or something like it) should be mandatory to visit for all IT professionals and posers.  Hostility towards our fellow posters is a waste of energy and ridicule when it could be directed towards the WTF examples. 

    I may choose to post my disagreement with another post, but that doesn't give me any right to flame the poster.  In fact, flaming only serves to distract the conversation and upset one or more of our forum 'neighbors.'  Perhaps if I had a weak argument or couldn't express myself adequately, I might choose this (flaming) tactic rather than debating or discussing the salient points of the discussion thread.

  • tim (unregistered)

    Actually, I almost did the same sort of thing with scrolling a region of the screen using the mousewheel. I harnessed the mousewheel events and watched how they changed and worked out which way the region needed to scroll and ... then discovered that if the region had focus then the SYSTEM did all this for me. So no WTF code that time, but only just ... :-)

  • baldric (unregistered) in reply to crackel
    crackel:
    Yet another shining example of the typical quality of a Visual Basic developer's code.

    and yet another shining example of the typical, unfounded snobbery of certain anti-vb developers... Just because VB makes it easier to write shoddy code, doesn't mean all vb-developers do. ;)

    but anyway, nearly snorted coffee through my nose reading this! lol

  • (cs) in reply to aikimark
    aikimark:

    John Smallberries:
    The beauty of an online forum is that people can speak (type) their minds. Who are we to censure another poster? If you don't like what Tricky Dick is saying, ignore him. You must know by now that the worst thing you can do is argue with him.

    Who we are?!? -- good cyber citizens who don't, and shouldn't, accept libelous and hateful posts.

    I take your point, but am still going to disagree with you.

    Nixon knows that he is in violation of good netiquette; he's doing it intentionally, not out of ignorance. No amount of chastizing is going get him to be penitent and change his ways. All of the posts badgering him to do so are more of a distraction than his "flame" posts are. As far as what someone's "rights" are, please, get a grip on yourself; this isn't the Supreme Court fer pete's sake.

    I take a karmic view of the whole thing; if someone wants to flame me (whether or not I deserve it), then that's going to be chalked up to their karma balance sheet as a debit. Eventually people will cease to take them seriously and will marginalize them.

  • (cs) in reply to baldric
    Anonymous:
    crackel:
    Yet another shining example of the typical quality of a Visual Basic developer's code.

    and yet another shining example of the typical, unfounded snobbery of certain anti-vb developers... Just because VB makes it easier to write shoddy code, doesn't mean all vb-developers do.


    I used to agree with you, but not any more.

    I've been responsible for hiring and managing developers & engineers for quite a while now, and almost invariably the people who come from a C++ background have superior software design skills and a better grasp of the craft of writing software than those who started with VB. Are there excellent VB coders out there? Of course, but if you survey the average skill level of C++ coders compared to VB coders, I'll think you'll see my point.

    Just so you don't think I'm one of the snobs, I coded in VB for years, then taught myself C++ and moved to that as soon as I had the technical chops to do so. I now mostly use C#.

  • anonymous (unregistered)

    So isn't it possible that this code was intended to control some remote desktop?
    <font color="Red"> Something didn't quite work out ...
    - CAPTCHA Validation Incorrect
    Sure you should make your validator more visible. Or at least make the error message more understandable. WTF
    </font>

  • baldric (unregistered) in reply to John Smallberries
    John Smallberries:
    Anonymous:
    crackel:
    Yet another shining example of the typical quality of a Visual Basic developer's code.

    and yet another shining example of the typical, unfounded snobbery of certain anti-vb developers... Just because VB makes it easier to write shoddy code, doesn't mean all vb-developers do.


    I used to agree with you, but not any more.

    I've been responsible for hiring and managing developers & engineers for quite a while now, and almost invariably the people who come from a C++ background have superior software design skills and a better grasp of the craft of writing software than those who started with VB. Are there excellent VB coders out there? Of course, but if you survey the average skill level of C++ coders compared to VB coders, I'll think you'll see my point.

    Just so you don't think I'm one of the snobs, I coded in VB for years, then taught myself C++ and moved to that as soon as I had the technical chops to do so. I now mostly use C#.

    fair enough, my point is simply that one cannot generalise and say ALL VB developers are bad. Sorry if I came across a bit harsh, was having a bad day. :) The first language I used commercially was VB. I was mentored at a small company working exclusively in VB, and can say honestly that that company had a better understanding of code standards and DB and software design principles (for example, using more "correct" and "complete" OO) than most other software-houses working in Java or C++ I knew at the time. And this ALL in VB6. Hard to believe? Anyway, I have since moved to C#, and honestly feel that the simplicity of VB helped, rather than hindered, my learning of solid design principles (rather than my expending energy and time learning more complex syntax methods etc etc which would invariably be largely useless to me in the long run).

  • (cs) in reply to baldric
    baldric:
    ... that company had a better understanding of code standards and DB and software design principles (for example, using more "correct" and "complete" OO) than most other software-houses working in Java or C++ I knew at the time. And this ALL in VB6. Hard to believe?

    Yes. VB6 doesn't have implementation inheritance, only a crappy form of interface inheritance. I would be interested in seeing how any OO (let alone "correct" or "complete" OO) was implemented.
  • baldric (unregistered) in reply to John Smallberries
    John Smallberries:
    baldric:
    ... that company had a better understanding of code standards and DB and software design principles (for example, using more "correct" and "complete" OO) than most other software-houses working in Java or C++ I knew at the time. And this ALL in VB6. Hard to believe?

    Yes. VB6 doesn't have implementation inheritance, only a crappy form of interface inheritance. I would be interested in seeing how any OO (let alone "correct" or "complete" OO) was implemented.
    maybe I shouldn't have used the word "complete" (although I was drawing a comparison and said "more complete"). Believe it or not, a language need not subscribe perfectly to every single tenet of OO to be considered an OO-capable language. If that were the case, many of the "beloved" languages would not be OO.... like (wait for it) C++ *gasp*

    Anyway, whether you believe it or not, it is a pure and simple FACT: that VB6-focussed company wrote better and more "standard" code, in a much shorter time, than most of its competitors (working in various languages such as Java and C++).

  • (cs) in reply to baldric

    This is the most verbose flamewar I've ever seen.

    You all remind me of the ents in LotR, speaking English as if it were Ancient Ent.

  • (cs)

    You are not going to believe it...

    but..

    I found another program that does this!

    the MSN desktop search toolbar! I'm not kidding! it takes over the mouse to change settings too!

    Install the toolbar, then boot into the guest account. The setup window will show, close that, and it will set the defaults. Because the guest account doesn't allow you to change the settings it wants to change, the setup program takes control of the mouse, right clicks on the taskbar, selects 'toolbars', goes to 'MSN desktop search' and clicks!

    @@@

    otherwise the toolbar is damn good, but I still was amazed to see this happen.

    I know it's a late reply but I had to add it...

  • zefo (unregistered)

    Great! On german Windows XP this would actually shutdown or suspend the computer as the R is associated with "He&runterfaren" - Shut down.

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