• (cs) in reply to dohpaz42
    dohpaz42:
    dyslexicbunny:
    As shitty as it is, I'd have just stared at the printer for enough time to get her attention. As soon as she said something, I'd have made a crass remark, hit the power button, and walked away.

    I call bullshit.

    Seconded...

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to cob666
    cob666:
    Childish:
    That nurse would have sent HR her rounds for that night. Patient in room 301 got an insulin shot. Room 405 needed Warfarin to prevent a stroke... People can actually die when a nurse waits for a printer to get fixed.

    So, she was willing to wait the 30 minutes to get the printer fixed instead of the 30 seconds to press the button on the front of the printer?

    I doubt those 30 minutes were spent waiting for the IT guy. You assume the printer not working was preventing her from doing anything else.

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to hoodaticus
    hoodaticus:
    He should have sent a 500 page print job to that printer - of bestial porn - with the bitch's name on it. Get her fired.

    Never used a Zebra printer I take it?

  • Homer (unregistered) in reply to C-Octothorpe

    And then we roll her up in a carpet and throw her off a bridge!

  • frist post (unregistered) in reply to nonpartisan
    nonpartisan:
    My manager (managers, actually . . . I have two . . .) is great like this.

    TRWTF is matrix management.

    Captcha: populus: my management chain is over-populus

  • zunesis (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    Never used a Zebra p[ony] I take it? [They're AMAZING!]
  • BlackBart (unregistered)

    Re: God Nurse - I'da made her press the button herself, then walk away.

  • zunesis (unregistered) in reply to BlackBart
    BlackBart:
    Re: God Nurse - I'da made her press the button herself, then [when she bent over, shown her who's boss, if you know what I mean *wink, wink*].
  • (cs) in reply to dyslexicbunny
    dyslexicbunny:
    As shitty as it is, I'd have just stared at the printer for enough time to get her attention. As soon as she said something, I'd have made a crass remark, hit the power button, and walked away.
    Even better: as soon as she says something, tell her you don't have time to talk right now because you're very busy working on that important problem she ordered you in to fix. Then go back to staring at the printer, with an occasional attempt to push the power button, deliberately missing the button and saying "no, no.. that's not it... hmm...".
  • (cs)

    I see the misogynistic presence is strong today.

  • (cs) in reply to boog
    boog:
    dyslexicbunny:
    As shitty as it is, I'd have just stared at the printer for enough time to get her attention. As soon as she said something, I'd have made a crass remark, hit the power button, and walked away.
    Even better: as soon as she says something, tell her you don't have time to talk right now because you're very busy working on that important problem she ordered you in to fix. Then go back to staring at the printer, with an occasional attempt to push the power button, deliberately missing the button and saying "no, no.. that's not it... hmm...".
    Personally, I couldn't be bothered with any of this. After realizing I was dealing with a crank, I would have gladly walked in, "fixed" the printer, smiled, and collected my minimum 4 hours overtime.
  • (cs) in reply to frits
    frits:
    I see the misogynistic presence is strong today.
    Really? What gives you that idea? From everything that I've read so far it seems that everybody is directing their ire towards people who think the world revolves around them. I'd wager that the response would be the same, and perhaps more harsh (maybe some physical violence), if the nurse was male.
  • (cs) in reply to frits
    frits:
    boog:
    dyslexicbunny:
    As shitty as it is, I'd have just stared at the printer for enough time to get her attention. As soon as she said something, I'd have made a crass remark, hit the power button, and walked away.
    Even better: as soon as she says something, tell her you don't have time to talk right now because you're very busy working on that important problem she ordered you in to fix. Then go back to staring at the printer, with an occasional attempt to push the power button, deliberately missing the button and saying "no, no.. that's not it... hmm...".
    Personally, I couldn't be bothered with any of this. After realizing I was dealing with a crank, I would have gladly walked in, "fixed" the printer, smiled, and collected my minimum 4 hours overtime.

    And what would you do if you received a call from this crank tomorrow, and the day after, and so on with the same attitude. And you're also assuming that there is a 4 hour minimum, or paid overtime, etc. Where I live, IT workers don't get paid overtime unless stipulated by their employer.

    I'd have, at the very minimum, fought the complaint or filed a counter compliant.

  • zunesis (unregistered) in reply to C-Octothorpe
    C-Octothorpe:
    frits:
    I see the misogynistic presence is strong today.
    Really? What gives you that idea? From everything that I've read so far it seems that everybody is directing their ire towards people who think the world revolves around them. I'd wager that the response would be the same, and perhaps more harsh (maybe some physical violence), if the nurse was male.
    I, for one, would have had the same reaction. I'd rape 'em either way. They both have rectums, right? Lovely, tight rectums
  • PacMan (unregistered) in reply to boog
    "You already gave me a happy ending, you can't un-give me a happy ending! I'm not paying!"
    I'm sure that the large tattooed gentleman with a baseball bat standing between you and the exit can easily make you quite unhappy, should you continue to refuse payment.
  • Herby (unregistered) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    hoodaticus:
    He should have sent a 500 page print job to that printer - of bestial porn - with the bitch's name on it. Get her fired.

    Never used a Zebra printer I take it?

    I have a nice Zebra printer, with its nice glowing green button (it sometimes goes orange when I trip on the power cord). Yes, you can print 500 [b}labels[/b] on it, but you WILL rapidly deplete the label stock. They do setup nicely under Linux, and will print porn, but you need to do a bunch of work.

    My feeling: If they have enough time to call you, they can press a button.

    As for being "on call" with WTF users, I would record my "service calls", and tell those that call that I'm doing it. It will probably elicit a better attitude.

  • thnurg (unregistered)

    There is a concept in law called lein. One of its meanings is that if you work on something for a customer you have the right to hang on to it until they pay. If the old guy refuses to pay he does not get his machine back until he does.

  • Peter (unregistered) in reply to WC
    WC:
    As for the first one, I'd have had stern words with anyone who reprimanded me in that situation. She was clearly out of line and preferred waiting 30 minutes for a fix than doing a simple check. There's no way I would have taken that. And if they still thought that she shouldn't be required to push a button rather than waste 2 people's time, then I'd have gone somewhere else that didn't have so many HR problems.

    I would have "fixed" the printer so that it could not be taken off line.

  • Brogrammer (unregistered) in reply to thnurg
    thnurg:
    There is a concept in law called lein. One of its meanings is that if you work on something for a customer you have the right to hang on to it until they pay. If the old guy refuses to pay he does not get his machine back until he does.

    Did you go to the same "law school" as Michele Bachman?

  • zunesis (unregistered) in reply to PacMan
    PacMan:
    "You already gave me a happy ending, you can't un-give me a happy ending! I'm not paying!"
    I'm sure that the large tattooed gentleman with a baseball bat standing between you and the exit can easily make you quite unhappy, should you continue to refuse payment.
    Or maybe he'll extract from you, as payment, the same favor you got from the masseuse. With the baseball bat Hey-OOOO!!!!
  • Hah (unregistered)

    Welcome to the wonderful world of Working With Nurses. Nothing is EVER important as what they are doing RIGHT NOW because they're a NURSE and patients DEPEND ON THEM.

    Yeah, I've had nurses demand that I come up to the floor and personally hand them a medication after I've told them exactly where to find it (and then have to bite my tongue before I tell them where to put it).

    And the the person trying to defend them... please. At 3 am the non-critical patients have been knocked out with Benadryl, and the critical ones are snowed under with Ativan. That's just the typical nurse attitude.

    -- formally disgruntled hospital tech

  • somechick (unregistered) in reply to frits
    frits:
    boog:
    dyslexicbunny:
    As shitty as it is, I'd have just stared at the printer for enough time to get her attention. As soon as she said something, I'd have made a crass remark, hit the power button, and walked away.
    Even better: as soon as she says something, tell her you don't have time to talk right now because you're very busy working on that important problem she ordered you in to fix. Then go back to staring at the printer, with an occasional attempt to push the power button, deliberately missing the button and saying "no, no.. that's not it... hmm...".
    Personally, I couldn't be bothered with any of this. After realizing I was dealing with a crank, I would have gladly walked in, "fixed" the printer, smiled, and collected my minimum 4 hours overtime.

    When I was on call for this silliness, we got a small yet not insignificant bit of "on-call pay" when we were on call in my department.

    When I worked IT for a hospital, I deployed a wireless network (before there was an RFC 802.11 through the approval process) with laptops locked to carts and ps2 barcode scanners to read meds and patient wristbands. Many times you'd get a call that "the laptop doesn't work" bc the nurses drove off with them without disconnecting the power cord from the wall, and then the battery would run down in ~2 hours or so. This would necessitate a call about half the time to the in-house electrician to remove one prong of a power cord from the wall socket.

    I shook my head and ordered another power cord. We weren't allowed to be as unprofessional as the submitter, as it was drilled into us that IT is a Customer Service department, and wouldn't exist without the users, who weren't as technically savvy as the people in the IT department.

  • zunesis (unregistered) in reply to somechick
    somechick:
    yadda yadda yadda

    yummy.....

  • Hortical (unregistered) in reply to Brogrammer
    Brogrammer:
    thnurg:
    There is a concept in law called lein. One of its meanings is that if you work on something for a customer you have the right to hang on to it until they pay. If the old guy refuses to pay he does not get his machine back until he does.

    Did you go to the same "law school" as Michele Bachman?

    Do you watch the same news channel as... oh, forget it.

    Just spell someone's name right when you satirize them.

  • (cs) in reply to somechick
    somechick:
    We weren't allowed to be as unprofessional as the submitter, as it was drilled into us that IT is a Customer Service department, and wouldn't exist without the users, who weren't as technically savvy as the people in the IT department.
    Although I do mostly agree with you, it's not 100% accurate. I'd say in this situation it's a coworker-to-coworker relationship, not a client-to-customer service relationship. Even if it were a 100% "customer service" role, there is still common decency that should shape your behavior, no?

    If I berate my ISP customer service rep, he'll hang up on me because I'm not allowed to abuse him despite me being a paying customer. Hell, I could even get charged if it goes far enough.

    I'm not defending his reaction because it was wrong, but if it was a one-off, let it slide. If it becomes habbit that I'm waking up at 3am to wipe her ass (fuck off zunesis) because she refuses to learn how to do it herself plus the attitude, file the complaint.

  • Meep (unregistered) in reply to C-Octothorpe
    C-Octothorpe:
    hoodaticus:
    C-Octothorpe:
    hoodaticus:
    He should have sent a 500 page print job to that printer - of bestial porn - with the bitch's name on it. Get her fired.
    That's not necessary... I'm sure some forged print logs would do the trick.
    Nice! Another idea - remove the earthing pin from the wall plug, strip a live wire inside the printer, and have some of it touch the metal casing.
    Oh great, now we have ourselves a real-life BOFH...

    Then the nurse will suddenly have a work place "accident" by being locked in the elevator for 9 hours and once she finally gets out, she "slips" down the stairs. And wouldn't you know it, her falling was just enough to cause the tape vault that was precariously balanced at the top of the stairs to tip and fall on her...

    That series was good, but after a while you wonder why the BOFH doesn't just buy a pig farm.

  • (cs) in reply to Meep
    Meep:
    That series was good, but after a while you wonder why the BOFH doesn't just buy a pig farm.

    Pigs are expensive and the city ambulance and morgue services are free...

    He probably did the math and it didn't add up. Plus trying to find enough land in London for all your little pink evidence destroyers would be hella hard.

  • Friedrich the Great (unregistered) in reply to WC

    About the first one, I worked in med IT. Medical staff are infinitely higher up than IT staff! So the nurse's attitude and the organization's response is exactly what I'd expect. It's not an HR problem, it's the culture!

  • Meep (unregistered) in reply to Brogrammer
    Brogrammer:
    thnurg:
    There is a concept in law called lein. One of its meanings is that if you work on something for a customer you have the right to hang on to it until they pay. If the old guy refuses to pay he does not get his machine back until he does.

    Did you go to the same "law school" as Michele Bachman?

    Which would be Oral Roberts for her JD, and College of William and Mary for her LLM. Just out of curiosity, what's your degree in and where did you get it?

  • zunesis (unregistered) in reply to C-Octothorpe
    C-Octothorpe:
    I'm waking up at 3am to wipe her ass with my tongue while she plays with my "special area" (fuck off zunesis)

    Why, I never!

  • Meep (unregistered) in reply to Meep
    Meep:
    Brogrammer:
    thnurg:
    There is a concept in law called lein. One of its meanings is that if you work on something for a customer you have the right to hang on to it until they pay. If the old guy refuses to pay he does not get his machine back until he does.

    Did you go to the same "law school" as Michele Bachman?

    Which would be Oral Roberts for her JD, and College of William and Mary for her LLM. Just out of curiosity, what's your degree in and where did you get it?

    (For the record, I'm no Bachmann fan, but if you want to claim others are stupid, you'd better be prepared to be called on it.)

  • (cs) in reply to boog
    boog:
    When he came in, he refused to pay, saying that we’d already fixed his computer and couldn’t un-fix it.
    Did the guy think he'd apparently discovered a loophole in having to pay for services rendered? I wonder how many other services he's tried to avoid paying this way?

    "You already cut my hair, you can't un-cut it! I'm not paying!"

    "You already changed my car's oil, you can't un-change it! I'm not paying!"

    "You already gave me a happy ending, you can't un-give me a happy ending! I'm not paying!"

    Theft of Services is a crime. Give him the laptop and demand payment. When he refuses, have security detain him until the cops arrive.

    Attempted crimes are punishable if the defendant took a "substantial step in furtherance" of the criminal purpose. In this case, each step he took toward the door would be enough to convict him.

  • zunesis (unregistered) in reply to Meep
    Meep:
    That series was good, but after a while you wonder why the BOFH doesn't just buy a pig farm.

    Just think of what you could do with those p....

    Wow, I really need help.

    Captcha: dignissim - I have none

  • Hortical (unregistered) in reply to Meep
    Meep:
    (For the record, I'm no Bachmann fan, but if you want to claim others are stupid, you'd better be prepared to be called on it.)

    You're a smart guy, but I think you're missing the point. Politics isn't about being right or wrong (correct or incorrect) it's about making people look bad (other people).

    Once Brogrammar made his comment, he was done, he has no need to respond. He already implied that someone who holds views other than him is a dummy and that's it. That's all he feels he needs to do, and in reality, that's all he really does need to do.

  • (cs) in reply to thnurg
    thnurg:
    There is a concept in law called lein. One of its meanings is that if you work on something for a customer you have the right to hang on to it until they pay. If the old guy refuses to pay he does not get his machine back until he does.
    A lien is an encumbrance on a title. Tell me, which government agency issues titles for computers?
  • (cs) in reply to somechick
    somechick:
    We weren't allowed to be as unprofessional as the submitter...
    Exactly what did the submitter do that was unprofessional? Based on the article, it sounds like he
    1. tried to solve the problem over the phone, even though the customer refused to cooperate;
    2. contained his frustration (at the customer hanging up on him) within the walls of his bedroom; and
    3. did his fucking job.

    Was it unprofessional because he didn't stop and chit-chat with a nurse who already said she didn't have time to talk?

  • (cs) in reply to hoodaticus
    hoodaticus:
    boog:
    When he came in, he refused to pay, saying that we’d already fixed his computer and couldn’t un-fix it.
    Did the guy think he'd apparently discovered a loophole in having to pay for services rendered? I wonder how many other services he's tried to avoid paying this way?
    Theft of Services is a crime.
    I'm fully aware of this; could it be possible that the old man in the story was not?
  • DeGustibusNonDisputandumEst (unregistered) in reply to hoodaticus

    I think thnurg is referring to the common law "Workman's Lein" which applies to personal property as well.

    Just hold on to the laptop until you're paid. The law is on your side.

  • (cs) in reply to Childish
    Childish:
    That nurse would have sent HR her rounds for that night. Patient in room 301 got an insulin shot. Room 405 needed Warfarin to prevent a stroke... People can actually die when a nurse waits for a printer to get fixed.

    I don't buy it: I work for a hospital. "Downtime procedures" are expensive and time-consuming, and so we do everything possible to avoid downtime; but it happens anyway and patient care cannot be allowed to suffer as a result. If the nursing unit can't operate without the printer, the hospital is incompetent and shouldn't be certified for patient care.

    The nurse had plenty of time to write a letter about the support guy's "professionalism": It looks to me like she just likes everyone else to be miserable...which is unprofessional.

    As my parents used to say: "Takes one to know one."

  • biblioteqa (unregistered) in reply to hoodaticus
    hoodaticus:
    A lien is an encumbrance on a title. Tell me, which government agency issues titles for computers?

    A lien is more accurately a security interest in property, real or personal. In my state (Kansas), a lien for materials and services is automatically created anytime you work on or repair somebody else's property. You need not register the lien while you have possession of the property; if they regain possession while still owing you, the relevant agency is the county register of deeds, where you can register a lien against a computer, a car, a camera, a Chihuahua, or pretty much any other chattel or equipment. You can then move to enforce the lien, either via "self help" or legal foreclosure. Check your state's laws.

  • Jerry (unregistered) in reply to hoodaticus
    hoodaticus:
    thnurg:
    There is a concept in law called lein. One of its meanings is that if you work on something for a customer you have the right to hang on to it until they pay. If the old guy refuses to pay he does not get his machine back until he does.
    A lien is an encumbrance on a title. Tell me, which government agency issues titles for computers?
    In those legal systems descended from ancient British law, every object which can be possessed has a title associated with it. Maybe a thief has your pencil in his possession, but the title is still yours.

    For higher dollar items, government agencies may exist to help you register your title, so when it is stolen there is a third party to resolve the ownership dispute. But you can hold title to a computer (or a lein on that title) without any government agency's assistance.

  • Vlad Patryshev (unregistered)

    While case #3 is pretty meaningful, the first two show a lack of professionalism; users are right.

    Who prevented those grumpy night-shift guys from adding a label or a poster regarding that button? Nurses would do all it takes to make sure things don't suddenly break when a patient turns. They guy could have learned from them.

    The button could be also just blocked.

    And anyway, what is the meaning of "online" button? It's like "explode me" button on spaceships.

  • (cs) in reply to frits
    frits:
    boog:
    dyslexicbunny:
    As shitty as it is, I'd have just stared at the printer for enough time to get her attention. As soon as she said something, I'd have made a crass remark, hit the power button, and walked away.
    Even better: as soon as she says something, tell her you don't have time to talk right now because you're very busy working on that important problem she ordered you in to fix. Then go back to staring at the printer, with an occasional attempt to push the power button, deliberately missing the button and saying "no, no.. that's not it... hmm...".
    Personally, I couldn't be bothered with any of this. After realizing I was dealing with a crank, I would have gladly walked in, "fixed" the printer, smiled, and collected my minimum 4 hours overtime.

    I'm assuming from the anger exuded by the protagonist that being on call does not earn one extra money when one is actually called in. It's just part of one's ordinary duties.

  • Meep (unregistered) in reply to Hortical
    Hortical:
    Meep:
    (For the record, I'm no Bachmann fan, but if you want to claim others are stupid, you'd better be prepared to be called on it.)

    You're a smart guy, but I think you're missing the point. Politics isn't about being right or wrong (correct or incorrect) it's about making people look bad (other people).

    Once Brogrammar made his comment, he was done, he has no need to respond. He already implied that someone who holds views other than him is a dummy and that's it. That's all he feels he needs to do, and in reality, that's all he really does need to do.

    Yeah, I know. Call me sentimental, but the nuts and sluts routine is just shitty; it even pissed me off when they did it to HRC.

  • Meep (unregistered) in reply to zunesis
    zunesis:
    C-Octothorpe:
    frits:
    I see the misogynistic presence is strong today.
    Really? What gives you that idea? From everything that I've read so far it seems that everybody is directing their ire towards people who think the world revolves around them. I'd wager that the response would be the same, and perhaps more harsh (maybe some physical violence), if the nurse was male.
    I, for one, would have had the same reaction. I'd rape 'em either way. They both have rectums, right? Lovely, tight rectums

    Why limit yourself to rectums when there are over 50 sphincters in the human body?

  • b0b g0ats3 (unregistered)

    i hate zebra printers. on good days, they're unreliable pieces of crap.

  • Gavin (unregistered)

    I feel your pain, on the whole Zebra printer vs after-hours clinician issue.

    I'm in a similar situation, but thankfully we have that much redunancy options available in critical areas that we can afford to have a policy that if it isn't life threating then we don't have to respond to rude people (which are thankfully a rareity) and to also diagnose the issue via telephone to determine if coming in is actually necessary (yay to remote access!).

    The worst I've had is a busy (read: technophobe) nurse whom I just told to call me back when she had time to talk to describe the problem. She did call back and was most apologetic when she had calmed down and realised that I can't help her if she won't let me.

  • Captain Obvious (unregistered)

    The catch-22 with the cdrom fix is that diagnosing the problem led to it being resolved before an estimate could be made and the customer contacted to authorize the repairs.

    Because he had not agreed to pay, he was not obligated to do so, and restoring the laptop to its "as-received" condition was the correct recourse.

  • Henning Makholm (unregistered) in reply to DeGustibusNonDisputandumEst
    DeGustibusNonDisputandumEst:
    I think thnurg is referring to the common law "Workman's Lein" which applies to personal property as well.
    Would that be anything like a lien, I wonder?

    (Brogrammer's response, attempting to point out the mistake by bolding it and adding additional misspellings in his own text, might well be too subtle for this illustrious readership, though).

  • (cs) in reply to zunesis
    zunesis:
    Hey-OOOO!!!!
    I think zunesis may be a Stern Fan.

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