• (cs) in reply to HockeyGod

    See now that's weird. It would seem to me more likely to maintain productivity if people knew they were being monitored. Unless you're more interested in catching people doing something wrong than in keeping them from doing it.

  • test_subj (unregistered)

    Why didn't the trouble tickets drop immediately? If there was a bit of lag between him being fired and the number of tickets going down, that implies that either he wasn't the only one or that someone else was doing things under his login.

  • (cs) in reply to K.D.
    K.D.:
    That happens everywhere - they log your phone calls and email too. I once worked with a gal who had a stack of phone numbers and emails handed to her and was asked to explain.
    A few years back, at a previous job, a co-worker was once asked to explain a bunch of phone calls to Nigeria. He mumbled something about needing to resolve issues regarding inheritance from a dead Uncle...
  • And I (unregistered) in reply to Legis
    Legis:
    Pssh. When your sales guy runs up a $10K/month tab on a company credit card because he's dating a stripper, then you can complain...
    Sales guy, Governor, it's all the same... ;)
  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to Zylon
    Zylon:
    DeLos:
    German:
    Z3R0:
    Dear Jesus Christ. Sucks to be him.

    What sucks about being Jesus Christ?

    I am going with the tortuous activity that is crucifixion.

    Could be worse. You could be stabbed.

    Well, at least it gets you out in the open air.

  • Matthew (unregistered) in reply to My Name

    Meh, not a WTF. Sales guys are just like that. The best ones are always the creepiest. I used to work with this one who had a picture of his own penis on his desktop (not wallpaper, just a file). And it wasn't even hidden. It was just called mypenis.jpg. How can you NOT open something like that when he gives the compute to you to work on. It is like the proverbial big red button that says "do not push under any circumstances." You know you'll regret it, but....

  • Andrew (unregistered) in reply to ContraCorners
    ContraCorners:
    German:
    Z3R0:
    Dear Jesus Christ. Sucks to be him.

    What sucks about being Jesus Christ?

    Shoot! Forgot to quote what I was responding to...

    Well, there was that whole "painful death at a young age" thing etc.

    2000 years ago a 33 year old wasn't that young.

  • Anti-Corporate (unregistered) in reply to Frank
    Frank:
    In the US an employer not only is allowed to monitor and record all traffic and tie it to the employee, they have no responsibility to let employees know that they are doing this. It is safe to assume that most jobs where you have a computer at your desk in the US that they are monitoring what you are doing.

    This is the real WTF, right here.

  • My Name (unregistered) in reply to Matthew
    Matthew:
    Meh, not a WTF. Sales guys are just like that. The best ones are always the creepiest. I used to work with this one who had a picture of his own penis on his desktop (not wallpaper, just a file). And it wasn't even hidden. It was just called mypenis.jpg. How can you NOT open something like that when he gives the compute to you to work on. It is like the proverbial big red button that says "do not push under any circumstances." You know you'll regret it, but....

    Sort of like when you get that link to the new Scandals Pictures of Miley Cyrus and you know you shouldn't look at them but...click and there you go.

  • bw (unregistered)

    Getting a little lame there folks

  • N (unregistered) in reply to Luk
    Luk:
    What X sites? Gimme URL's!!
    ajaXmatters.com ?
  • (cs) in reply to bw

    Luckily he didn't know about proxies, VPNs or SSH tunneling. That could really make things difficult.

  • GPa Hill (unregistered) in reply to My Name
    My Name:
    Matthew:
    Meh, not a WTF. Sales guys are just like that. The best ones are always the creepiest. I used to work with this one who had a picture of his own penis on his desktop (not wallpaper, just a file). And it wasn't even hidden. It was just called mypenis.jpg. How can you NOT open something like that when he gives the compute to you to work on. It is like the proverbial big red button that says "do not push under any circumstances." You know you'll regret it, but....

    Sort of like when you get that link to the new Scandals Pictures of Miley Cyrus and you know you shouldn't look at them but...click and there you go.

    Bastard. I was at work. Even though I had the headphones plugged in, I happened to have the volume cranked way up from an early morning rockin' refactorin' session, and everyone for miles around knew I'd been rick-rolled.

    Hill

  • Edward Royce (unregistered) in reply to German
    German:
    Z3R0:
    Dear Jesus Christ. Sucks to be him.

    What sucks about being Jesus Christ?

    Duh! Dying for everybody's sins? That's gotta suck.

    There's a boatload of sins out there, even more now after Al Gore invented the internet.

  • Keith R (unregistered)

    Was I the only one that didn't see why it was necessary to bring up the bit about "Jeff"? I mean, I'm usually the last person to defend the PEBKAC person, but sniggering behind someone's back and calling them a noob? It speaks more about you than it does about your users, especially when it's not even related to the main story.

    Did you proceed to brag about totally pwning him with your AWP?

  • (cs)

    While this may indeed qualify as a "Perversion in Information Technology", I don't see anything "Curious" about it.

    In any case, I do not see anything interesting in it or how it is relevant to WTF.

    Alex, if you are that hard up for content, bring back MFD.

  • TheDev (unregistered) in reply to Andrew
    Andrew:
    ContraCorners:
    German:
    Z3R0:
    Dear Jesus Christ. Sucks to be him.

    What sucks about being Jesus Christ?

    Shoot! Forgot to quote what I was responding to...

    Well, there was that whole "painful death at a young age" thing etc.

    2000 years ago a 33 year old wasn't that young.

    Even today, not so much.

  • Pitabred (unregistered) in reply to Keith R

    When using a computer is part of your job, you should expect to be lightly derided for not being marginally competent at doing so. Not double-checking the URL is a complete n00b mistake. If you or your users don't have thick enough skin to take a jab because you didn't even do BASIC trouble-shooting before calling the helpdesk, you need to get over yourself.

    As an analogy, if you got connected to someone that you didn't expect (or no one at all) when using the phone, would you instantly call the help desk, or would you check the number that you dialed? Same thing happening here. Someone who is a complete n00b and can barely use the "phone".

  • My Name (unregistered) in reply to GPa Hill
    GPa Hill:
    Bastard. I was at work. Even though I had the headphones plugged in, I happened to have the volume cranked way up from an early morning rockin' refactorin' session, and everyone for miles around knew I'd been rick-rolled.

    Hill

    Sorry I just couldn't help it. But you know you full well you plan to save that link for just the right time to pass on the love.

  • (cs) in reply to Matthew
    Matthew:
    Meh, not a WTF. Sales guys are just like that. The best ones are always the creepiest. I used to work with this one who had a picture of his own penis on his desktop (not wallpaper, just a file). And it wasn't even hidden. It was just called mypenis.jpg. How can you NOT open something like that when he gives the compute to you to work on. It is like the proverbial big red button that says "do not push under any circumstances." You know you'll regret it, but....

    At least you didn't get copies of the e-mail from the 50-ish saleswoman who got a little too, um, "personal" with her cell phone camera and didn't know that all e-mail is archived and e-mails from cell phones float right to the top of the archive so when you go to open it...

  • ping floyd (unregistered) in reply to Matthew
    Matthew:
    Meh, not a WTF. Sales guys are just like that. The best ones are always the creepiest. I used to work with this one who had a picture of his own penis on his desktop (not wallpaper, just a file). And it wasn't even hidden. It was just called mypenis.jpg. How can you NOT open something like that when he gives the compute to you to work on. It is like the proverbial big red button that says "do not push under any circumstances." You know you'll regret it, but....
    Well, at least it was a small file... :-)
  • LEGO (unregistered) in reply to German
    German:
    Z3R0:
    Dear Jesus Christ. Sucks to be him.

    What sucks about being Jesus Christ?

    That whole nailed to a cross / bearing the sins of the world thing.

    -L

  • kingjoebob (unregistered) in reply to A Nonny Mouse

    hmm... so if we assume the paper is std 20 lb (9.0718 kg) a case, the weight of paper per sheet is about 9.0718 / 5,000 = 0.00181436.

    Your ex-bf got 2 kg worth of paper. 2kg/.00181436kg = 1,102.31707 so about 2.2 reams of paper. That is a lot of porn.

  • Brent (unregistered)

    TRWTF is that here in the US, you can't make a recording of say, your frustrating tech support call, because making audio recordings of people without their consent is illegal, even if it is business related, so as a consumer, you have no evidence to refute Verizon when they told you data access was .1¢/MB, and it turns out to be $.1/MB.

    Whereas, on the other hand, for some reason it is perfectly legal to log everything someone does on a company computer without giving them any knowledge that you are doing it, and keep those logs in perpetuity.

    Corporations & Government : 1 Employees & Citizens : 0

  • lrucker (unregistered) in reply to jmo21
    jmo21:
    this is the WTF on the day this story broke.....?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7379742.stm

    this dude kept his job!!

    TRWTF is that the article says he had a virus. As in one.

    That's either bad reporting or one hell of a virus blocker...

  • Matthew (unregistered) in reply to German

    Getting crucified for one.

  • Jeff (unregistered) in reply to conventio
    conventio:
    A Nonny Mouse:
    ...they actually visited each page and printed it
    Was the person who visited then printed the material let go too? As they has just committed the exact same offense...

    Crap I can see where this is going. Before long the entire company was laid off.

  • Kris (unregistered) in reply to My Name
    My Name:
    Sort of like when you get that link to the new Scandals Pictures of Miley Cyrus and you know you shouldn't look at them but...click and there you go.

    FUCK YOU ASSHOLE

  • LEGO (unregistered) in reply to Jeff
    Jeff:
    conventio:
    A Nonny Mouse:
    ...they actually visited each page and printed it
    Was the person who visited then printed the material let go too? As they has just committed the exact same offense...

    Crap I can see where this is going. Before long the entire company was laid off.

    Where I work they call that a reorg! It happens pretty much annually.

    -L

  • (cs) in reply to A Nonny Mouse
    A Nonny Mouse:
    an ex of mine got fired for looking at pr0n at work.. they printed off every single page he'd visited and handed it to him, about 2 kg's worth of paper. whoops.

    Does that story end with your ex making millions selling a printed guide to pornographic web sites?

  • (cs) in reply to Matthew
    Matthew:
    Meh, not a WTF. Sales guys are just like that. The best ones are always the creepiest. I used to work with this one who had a picture of his own penis on his desktop (not wallpaper, just a file). And it wasn't even hidden. It was just called mypenis.jpg. How can you NOT open something like that when he gives the compute to you to work on. It is like the proverbial big red button that says "do not push under any circumstances." You know you'll regret it, but....
    You need to be more specific about terminology.

    I first read this as "a picture of his own penis" on that wooden thing that you use as a backdrop for taking pictures of print-outs.

    The image of a salesman's cubicle with an 8" by 10" glossy picture of his own penis, surrounded by photos of his happy smiling kids and his pet chihuahua, is going to live with me for a long time...

  • sf (unregistered) in reply to Michael
    Michael:
    A Nonny Mouse:
    Dirk:
    A Nonny Mouse:
    an ex of mine got fired for looking at pr0n at work.. they printed off every single page he'd visited and handed it to him, about 2 kg's worth of paper. whoops.

    Is that 2kg of printed URLs? Just interested...

    sure, send me your address and i'll email them to you..

    just kidding. they actually visited each page and printed it

    That's the good thing about working on IT: YOU can visit porn sites all day, and if someone asks you about it, you can just say that you're checking access logs to find possible security breaches.

    That's exactly what an OpSec guy at my wife's company does, and that's just the excuse he uses (no joke.)

  • Mike5 (unregistered) in reply to A Nonny Mouse
    A Nonny Mouse:
    Dirk:
    A Nonny Mouse:
    an ex of mine got fired for looking at pr0n at work.. they printed off every single page he'd visited and handed it to him, about 2 kg's worth of paper. whoops.

    Is that 2kg of printed URLs? Just interested...

    sure, send me your address and i'll email them to you..

    just kidding. they actually visited each page and printed it

    You mean they made him a hard copy of the porn? Why? To ease the pain of losing the job? Nice people... Maybe he was out of job, but he could still get his daily dose of porn at home, and at company's expense at that.

  • (cs) in reply to Anon
    Zylon:
    DeLos:
    German:
    Z3R0:
    Dear Jesus Christ. Sucks to be him.

    What sucks about being Jesus Christ?

    I am going with the tortuous activity that is crucifixion.

    Could be worse. You could be stabbed.

    That happened to my friend Jesus. (Pronounced Hey-zues.) He was a carpenter, too, actually. He was standing around, getting high, drinking some beers, talking about philosophy and God and such, and these dudes came up, I think they were Romanian, and stabbed him. Then they asked his friends, "Do you know this guy?"

    And they were all like, "No, we don't know him." But since then they've written books about him.

    We found out later that his friend sold him out. Son of a betch. But he hung himself later.

    CAPTCHA: transverbero! Indeed my verbal prestidigitation knows no bounds!

  • Tarpoon (unregistered) in reply to GPa Hill
    My Name:
    [

    Sort of like when you get that link to the new Scandals Pictures of Miley Cyrus and you know you shouldn't look at them but...click and there you go.

    lol, I clicked on it at home wanted to close it and pressed down the enter key to close the popups. After the last one Firefox jumped back to the marked link and opened it in 6 new tabs. Now my ears bleed...

  • moz (unregistered) in reply to LEGO
    LEGO:
    German:
    What sucks about being Jesus Christ?

    That whole nailed to a cross / bearing the sins of the world thing.

    -L

    The number of people who are tortured, raped and/or killed in his name must also come as a slight disappointment.

  • sf (unregistered) in reply to jmo21
    jmo21:
    this is the WTF on the day this story broke.....?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7379742.stm

    this dude kept his job!!

    from the article:
    "...His habit reached its peak last July...works out at almost 10,000 pages a day, or more than 20 each minute he was at his desk..."
    That has to be wget activity or something similar. No one can look at that much pr0n (and still get the full benefit.)
  • NewbiusMaximus (unregistered) in reply to webhamster
    At least you didn't get copies of the e-mail from the 50-ish saleswoman who got a little too, um, "personal" with her cell phone camera and didn't know that all e-mail is archived and e-mails from cell phones float right to the top of the archive so when you go to open it...
    Hey, what's wrong with 50-ish? You never make up what you pass up!
  • (cs) in reply to Pope
    Pope:
    CAPTCHA: transverbero! Indeed my verbal prestidigitation knows no bounds!
    Too bad you suck at catching Monty Python references.
  • Dark (unregistered)

    The real WTF is that they fired him for visiting porn sites, when they knew he had adware that was opening porn popups against his will.

    The poor man!

    This happened to some school teacher too.

  • (cs) in reply to Andrew
    Andrew:
    ContraCorners:
    German:
    Z3R0:
    Dear Jesus Christ. Sucks to be him.

    What sucks about being Jesus Christ?

    Shoot! Forgot to quote what I was responding to...

    Well, there was that whole "painful death at a young age" thing etc.

    2000 years ago a 33 year old wasn't that young.

    You obviously don't know that some distant ancestors of Jesus lived on for several centuries each. (No too much drinking, too much smoking and you can go a really long way)

  • K&T (unregistered) in reply to Brent
    brent:
    TRWTF is that here in the US, you *can't* make a recording of say, your frustrating tech support call, because making audio recordings of people without their consent is illegal, even if it is business related, so as a consumer, you have no evidence to refute Verizon when they told you data access was .1¢/MB, and it turns out to be $.1/MB.
    The legality of taping conversations falls under State jurisdiction so i'm not sure what you mean by 'here in the US'

    For the most part, if it’s in a public space you’re free to tape away. A lot of states (and the feds) have a ‘one party’ consistent law. That basically says if one party (including yourself) consents, you can tape the conversation. So in your example, assuming you live in a one party consistent state, you could have taped away.

    Of course that all get complicated when you're calling in between states and what not. But there is no general rule.

    Knowledge 1 Ignorance 0

  • Schnapple (unregistered) in reply to Brent
    Brent:
    TRWTF is that here in the US, you *can't* make a recording of say, your frustrating tech support call, because making audio recordings of people without their consent is illegal, even if it is business related, so as a consumer, you have no evidence to refute Verizon when they told you data access was .1¢/MB, and it turns out to be $.1/MB.

    Whereas, on the other hand, for some reason it is perfectly legal to log everything someone does on a company computer without giving them any knowledge that you are doing it, and keep those logs in perpetuity.

    Corporations & Government : 1 Employees & Citizens : 0

    Actually, when they give you that "this call may be monitored or recorded" bit at the beginning, that gives you permission to record the call, as well. I can't find it right now but I saw a Slashdot comment where the person had hit record on a phone call to some tech support line. He got fed up with the person he was talking to and got transferred to the supervisor, who chewed him out. He mentions how he's been recording this call and will post it to his blog, gets chewed out again, supervisor threatens to sue for illegal recording. He then plays the first part of the call where the recording told him "this call may be monitored or recorded". Supervisor calms down, problem gets solved.

    The flip side to all parties having to agree is that you get to record them, too.

  • (cs) in reply to Brent
    Brent:
    TRWTF is that here in the US, you *can't* make a recording of say, your frustrating tech support call, because making audio recordings of people without their consent is illegal, even if it is business related, so as a consumer, you have no evidence to refute Verizon when they told you data access was .1¢/MB, and it turns out to be $.1/MB.

    Whereas, on the other hand, for some reason it is perfectly legal to log everything someone does on a company computer without giving them any knowledge that you are doing it, and keep those logs in perpetuity.

    Seconded. Even if the recording bit isn't true in all cases, that's not the real issue here.

    real_aardvark:
    The image of a salesman's cubicle with an 8" by 10" glossy picture of his own penis, surrounded by photos of his happy smiling kids and his pet chihuahua, is going to live with me for a long time...
    More like a 4" by 5". Ooh burn.

    Oh has anyone pointed out that Jesus got crucified yet?

  • (cs) in reply to Brent

    "TRWTF is that here in the US, you can't make a recording of say, your frustrating tech support call"

    IANAL, but the voice prompt usually says that the call may be monitored or recorded. It usually doesn't say "we may monitor or record the call". I would interpret this as an explicit consent to recording. If one side may record the call, this means both sides consented to that, and this means you too may record the call.

  • (cs) in reply to lolwtf
    lolwtf:
    Oh has anyone pointed out that Jesus got crucified yet?
    I was just thinking how nice it would be if posters were blocked from posting until they had read all the responses.
  • (cs) in reply to webhamster
    webhamster:
    At least you didn't get copies of the e-mail from the 50-ish saleswoman who got a little too, um, "personal" with her cell phone camera and didn't know that all e-mail is archived and e-mails from cell phones float right to the top of the archive so when you go to open it...
    We're going to need proof. Link 'em.
  • Brent (unregistered)

    "IANAL, but the voice prompt usually says that the call may be monitored or recorded. It usually doesn't say "we may monitor or record the call". I would interpret this as an explicit consent to recording. If one side may record the call, this means both sides consented to that, and this means you too may record the call. "

    Good to know, thanks guys (who didn't try to flame me). I never thought about it, but regardless of state law, "This call may be monitored or recorded", really would hold up in court for both parties. I never took it that way, but I think your right.

  • (cs) in reply to GPa Hill
    GPa Hill:
    My Name:
    Matthew:
    Meh, not a WTF. Sales guys are just like that. The best ones are always the creepiest. I used to work with this one who had a picture of his own penis on his desktop (not wallpaper, just a file). And it wasn't even hidden. It was just called mypenis.jpg. How can you NOT open something like that when he gives the compute to you to work on. It is like the proverbial big red button that says "do not push under any circumstances." You know you'll regret it, but....

    Sort of like when you get that link to the new Scandals Pictures of Miley Cyrus and you know you shouldn't look at them but...click and there you go.

    Bastard. I was at work. Even though I had the headphones plugged in, I happened to have the volume cranked way up from an early morning rockin' refactorin' session, and everyone for miles around knew I'd been rick-rolled.

    At least it wasn't goatse.

  • (cs) in reply to GPa Hill
    GPa Hill:
    My Name:
    Sort of like when you get that link to the new Scandals Pictures of Miley Cyrus and you know you shouldn't look at them but...click and there you go.

    Bastard. I was at work. Even though I had the headphones plugged in, I happened to have the volume cranked way up from an early morning rockin' refactorin' session, and everyone for miles around knew I'd been rick-rolled.

    Hill

    Flashblock FTW!

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