• frist (unregistered)

    [code]

    // Set Route string to 5 bytes first Redim ArrayElement[5]; StrLength := Len(Route); if StrLength > 0 then ArrayElement[1] := Route[1] else ArrayElement[1] := 'f'; if StrLength > 1 then ArrayElement[2] := Route[2] else ArrayElement[2] := 'r'; if StrLength > 2 then ArrayElement[3] := Route[3] else ArrayElement[3] := 'i'; if StrLength > 3 then ArrayElement[4] := Route[4] else ArrayElement[4] := 's'; if StrLength > 4 then ArrayElement[5] := Route[5] else ArrayElement[5] := 't'; [code]

  • talentless_newb (too lazy to log in properly) (unregistered)
    // Set Route string to 35 bytes first Redim ArrayElement[30];
    We've all seen dishonest comments before, so I'm not sure why, but this nearly made Red Bull come out of my nose...
  • Herby (unregistered)

    In my first (no frist) programming class I was taught the concept of a loop. That was back in the 60's. I don't think the basic concepts have changed much, but the quality of the instruction seems to have changed quite a bit, as witnessed by code examples like this.

    The sad part is that this "programmer" was probably a graduate of a "top tier" school (or his resume said so). Sad, very sad!

  • not first (unregistered)

    The truly brain-burning part is that they use a loop at the end to set each array element, but can't conceive of using a loop to fill the first "30 - Len(Route)" elements with spaces...

  • (cs)

    This is one of those situations where the code smells so bad, I'm not even going to inspect it further.

  • (cs)

    -1 for unwitting loop unrolling but +1 for orderly columnar goodness.

  • (cs)

    Oh my, his hurts.....

    Why did the developer not stop after the first 5 lines or so and thought 'I wonder if there is a better way of doing this?'... I mean he could have used a loop, or gasp sprintf() or whatever that language has of a similar functionality....

    I have heard people talking about code smell, but this ranks a code stink instead!, just think about want other 'gems' might lurk beneath the surface...

    Yours Yazeran

    Plan: To go to Mars one day with a hammer.

  • (cs) in reply to talentless_newb (too lazy to log in properly)
    talentless_newb (too lazy to log in properly):
    // Set Route string to 35 bytes first Redim ArrayElement[30];
    We've all seen dishonest comments before, so I'm not sure why, but this nearly made Red Bull come out of my nose...

    ... which would have been okay, but you were drinking chamomile tea?

  • (cs)

    No I'm sorry I can't see anything wrong with this. It's formatted nice and neatly on the page and all the parameters are carefully checked for null (or whatever its equivalent is in this language which I can't place - it's not Java or Fortran or Cobol or Coral 66).

    Aha! I get it! I know what the real WTF is! It's a zero based array! Am I right?

  • (cs) in reply to hoodaticus
    hoodaticus:
    This is one of those situations where the code smells so bad, I'm not even going to inspect it further.

    Okay then, we have a new word that we all learned on yesterday's WTF.

    Code which has this quality of stink can be referred to as a Cleveland Steamer.

  • Nelson (unregistered) in reply to Matt Westwood

    Due to the assigments with colon, it seems Pascal, but it uses Length(), not Len() and no Redim. Redim and Len exist in BASIC and Visual Basic, but they don't use colon for assignments... What is it?

  • RF (unregistered)

    Looks like someone's getting paid by the SLOC.

  • Mikerad (unregistered)

    It appears to be Crystal Reports formulas (VB6, only worse)

  • Brian White (unregistered) in reply to Herby
    Herby:
    In my first (no frist) programming class I was taught the concept of a loop. That was back in the 60's. I don't think the basic concepts have changed much, but the quality of the instruction seems to have changed quite a bit, as witnessed by code examples like this.

    The sad part is that this "programmer" was probably a graduate of a "top tier" school (or his resume said so). Sad, very sad!

    Do you need a loop for string padding? I typically set a variable to a very long series of empty spaces, like 100 or so, then just do: Right(padVar & realVar, 30)

  • DonaldK (unregistered)

    Everything except for the redim seems like Pascal / Delphi...

    Honestly, this is really juvenile coding. I'm thinking 13 or younger.

    I find it hard to believe that this is used in a production system. That's probably precisely why it is in one...

    They most likely graduated a reporting person from report layout to basic coding responsibilities... After all, if the report works (eventually) then they do contribute.

    My eyes are still hurting though, and I'm probably the one regular on this site that doesn't know it all.

  • (cs) in reply to Yazeran
    Yazeran:
    Why did the developer not stop after the first 5 lines or so and thought 'I wonder if there is a better way of doing this?'...

    Yeah, after 5 lines I would have started to use the clipboard.

    Redim ArrayElement[30]; StrLength := Len(Route); if StrLength > 0 then ArrayElement[1] := Route[1] else ArrayElement[1] := ' '; if StrLength > 1 then ArrayElement[2] := Route[2] else ArrayElement[2] := ' '; if StrLength > 2 then ArrayElement[3] := Route[3] else ArrayElement[3] := ' '; if StrLength > 3 then ArrayElement[4] := Route[4] else ArrayElement[4] := ' '; if StrLength > 4 then ArrayElement[5] := Route[5] else ArrayElement[5] := ' ';

    //well let's use the clipboard to optimize this Clipboard.SetText(" ");

    if StrLength > 5 then ArrayElement[6] := Route[6] else ArrayElement[6] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 6 then ArrayElement[7] := Route[7] else ArrayElement[7] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 7 then ArrayElement[8] := Route[8] else ArrayElement[8] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 8 then ArrayElement[9] := Route[9] else ArrayElement[9] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 9 then ArrayElement[10] := Route[10] else ArrayElement[10] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 10 then ArrayElement[11] := Route[11] else ArrayElement[11] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 11 then ArrayElement[12] := Route[12] else ArrayElement[12] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 12 then ArrayElement[13] := Route[13] else ArrayElement[13] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 13 then ArrayElement[14] := Route[14] else ArrayElement[14] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 14 then ArrayElement[15] := Route[15] else ArrayElement[15] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 15 then ArrayElement[16] := Route[16] else ArrayElement[16] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 16 then ArrayElement[17] := Route[17] else ArrayElement[17] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 17 then ArrayElement[18] := Route[18] else ArrayElement[18] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 18 then ArrayElement[19] := Route[19] else ArrayElement[19] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 19 then ArrayElement[20] := Route[20] else ArrayElement[20] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 20 then ArrayElement[21] := Route[21] else ArrayElement[21] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 21 then ArrayElement[22] := Route[22] else ArrayElement[22] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 22 then ArrayElement[23] := Route[23] else ArrayElement[23] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 23 then ArrayElement[24] := Route[24] else ArrayElement[24] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 24 then ArrayElement[25] := Route[25] else ArrayElement[25] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 25 then ArrayElement[26] := Route[26] else ArrayElement[26] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 26 then ArrayElement[27] := Route[27] else ArrayElement[27] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 27 then ArrayElement[28] := Route[28] else ArrayElement[28] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 28 then ArrayElement[29] := Route[29] else ArrayElement[29] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 29 then ArrayElement[30] := Route[30] else ArrayElement[30] := Clipboard.GetText();

    InsertString := ''; for i := 1 to 30 do InsertString := InsertString + ArrayElement[i];

    I am not sure if there would be a cast problem, but if so, must be possible to inherit from Clipboard...

  • Gary (unregistered) in reply to BentFranklin
    BentFranklin:
    -1 for unwitting loop unrolling but +1 for orderly columnar goodness.

    Shouldn't that be -30 (or 35?) for loop unrolling? The columns only count for +1 in total.

  • THG (unregistered) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    No I'm sorry I can't see anything wrong with this. It's formatted nice and neatly on the page and all the parameters are carefully checked [ ... ]

    Aha! I get it! I know what the real WTF is! It's a zero based array! Am I right?

    TRWTF is that a "real" programmer would have used recursion

    (notice how he falls into the trap of "premature optimization" by storing the result of Len(Route) into a variable) __ /hg

  • Gary (unregistered) in reply to Brian White
    Brian White:
    Herby:
    In my first (no frist) programming class I was taught the concept of a loop. That was back in the 60's. I don't think the basic concepts have changed much, but the quality of the instruction seems to have changed quite a bit, as witnessed by code examples like this.

    The sad part is that this "programmer" was probably a graduate of a "top tier" school (or his resume said so). Sad, very sad!

    Do you need a loop for string padding? I typically set a variable to a very long series of empty spaces, like 100 or so, then just do: Right(padVar & realVar, 30)

    So do it. Or you could build a string with 30-len(Route) spaces and concatenate this to Route. Though this appears to be right-padded, not left padded, so you might want to use Left instead.

  • Larry (unregistered) in reply to talentless_newb (too lazy to log in properly)
    talentless_newb (too lazy to log in properly):
    // Set Route string to 35 bytes first Redim ArrayElement[30];
    We've all seen dishonest comments before, so I'm not sure why, but this nearly made Red Bull come out of my nose...
    Maybe it is 30 hexadecimal, which I don't really understand, beyond knowing that a hex number gets a little bit bigger when you convert to decimal.
  • Z00n3$!$ (unregistered) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    hoodaticus:
    This is one of those situations where the code smells so bad, I'm not even going to inspect it further.
    Okay then, we have a new word that we all learned on yesterday's WTF.

    Code which has this quality of stink can be referred to as a Cleveland Steamer.

    It could be classified as such if you printed off the code, rubbed it in the programmer's face and went TOOT! TOOT!

  • TopPost3r (unregistered) 
    if StrLength > 0  then ArrayElement[1]  := Route[1]  else ArrayElement[1]  := ' ';
if StrLength > 1  then ArrayElement[2]  := Route[2]  else ArrayElement[2]  := ' ';
if StrLength > 2  then ArrayElement[3]  := Route[3]  else ArrayElement[3]  := ' ';
    The nice thing about this pattern is you can have a simple program generate maybe 100 lines like this, save them in a file, then just copy/pasta however many lines you need for the desired length of whatever string you're padding today. It speeds development, and that's the most costly part of computers.
  • CT (unregistered)
    And the business wonders why it takes so long to create new reports...

    And they should - if the above code causes a delay noticeable to anything but a finely tuned machine or a profiler, something is seriously wrong.

  • Z00n3$!$ (unregistered) in reply to Z00n3$!$
    Z00n3$!$:
    Matt Westwood:
    hoodaticus:
    This is one of those situations where the code smells so bad, I'm not even going to inspect it further.
    Okay then, we have a new word that we all learned on yesterday's WTF.

    Code which has this quality of stink can be referred to as a Cleveland Steamer.

    It could be classified as such if you printed off the code, rubbed it in the programmer's face and went TOOT! TOOT!
    ...during sexual intercourse, which he might not be up for, which will make for an ugly situation if you really want to pull this off.

    Ironically, depending on what we ate earlier that day, we might accidentally give you the Cleveland Steamer! Lovely!

  • Gary (unregistered) in reply to Gary

    Alternatively:

    while str.length <> 30 {str = str + ' '};

    or,

    function padMe(str, tgt) {
  if (str.length!=tgt) {
     return padMe(str + "-",tgt-1);
  }
  else return str;
}

    I have to admit that I found this snippet in my own files while looking at this, which has to be a miniWTF in its own right.

    function pad(input) {
   var inp=input+"";
   var out=[];
   for (i=0;i<100;i++) out.push((i<inp.length) ? inp.charAt(inp.length-1-i) : "0");
   return out.reverse().join("");
}
</pre>
  • (cs)

    Either I'm reading it wrong, or the loop at the end does nothing.

  • Simp (unregistered)

    I don't see anything wrong with the code, that's how you do it on embedded systems without filesystems.

  • Nobody You Know (unregistered) in reply to Gary
    Gary:
    Alternatively: 
    while str.length <> 30 {str = str + ' '};

    "Hey, why does this pad function lock up and allocate a bunch of memory when I give it a 40-character string?"

  • Nobody You Know (unregistered) in reply to Gary
    Gary:
    function padMe(str, tgt) {
  if (str.length!=tgt) {
     return padMe(str + "-",tgt-1);
  }
  else return str;
}

    That's better. This one just stack faults when I call padMe("ABC",1).

  • (cs) in reply to not first
    not first:
    The truly brain-burning part is that they use a loop at the end to set each array element, but can't conceive of using a loop to fill the first "30 - Len(Route)" elements with spaces...
    Maybe it's an optimization. ROFL!
  • (cs) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    No I'm sorry I can't see anything wrong with this. It's formatted nice and neatly on the page and all the parameters are carefully checked for null...
    Ha! :)
    Matt Westwood:
    Aha! I get it! I know what the real WTF is! It's a zero based array! Am I right?
    No. The correct answer is that he didn't need the extra array: 
    if StrLength > 0  then InsertString := InsertString + Route[1]  else InsertString := InsertString + ' ';
if StrLength > 1  then InsertString := InsertString + Route[2]  else InsertString := InsertString + ' ';
if StrLength > 2  then InsertString := InsertString + Route[3]  else InsertString := InsertString + ' ';
// and so on...
    That way he wouldn't have needed that inefficient loop at the end.
  • (cs) in reply to Nobody You Know
    Nobody You Know:
    Gary:
    function padMe(str, tgt) {
  if (str.length!=tgt) {
     return padMe(str + "-",tgt-1);
  }
  else return str;
}

    That's better. This one just stack faults when I call padMe("ABC",1).

    padMe on the bottom? Come on Zooney, get the led out ...

  • Bananas (unregistered) in reply to Yazeran
    Yazeran:
    Oh my, his hurts.....

    Why did the developer not stop after the first 5 lines or so and thought 'I wonder if there is a better way of doing this?'... I mean he could have used a loop, or gasp sprintf() or whatever that language has of a similar functionality....

    I have heard people talking about code smell, but this ranks a code stink instead!, just think about want other 'gems' might lurk beneath the surface...

    Yours Yazeran

    Plan: To go to Mars one day with a hammer.

    Like Miss Pickerell did, right?

    Seriously, such copy/paste/modify coding techniques are not all that difficult if you have the right editor and know how to use it. For lots of people it's easier than thinking, "I wonder if there is a better way of doing this?"

    I prefer Vim myself. Type the first line, then qwyyp3w^k4w^k5w^k5w^kq

    Then @w as many times as you need. Or in this case, just 28@w

    BTW, I've mapped the Ctrl-K key to the increment function.

    Not that I would ever code that way.

  • Sigivald (unregistered) in reply to THG

    THG said TRWTF is that a "real" programmer would have used recursion

    A real programmer would have one-lined it to

    route = route.padRight(35)

    (Real programmers also use .NET, because it lets them do that in one line, in this case.)

    But what you said is true of a "real" programmer, certainly, since they'd rather write and test a recursive space-adder than just use something built in that pads a string...

  • Rumen's Boss (unregistered) in reply to thistooshallpass
    thistooshallpass:
    Yazeran:
    Why did the developer not stop after the first 5 lines or so and thought 'I wonder if there is a better way of doing this?'...

    Yeah, after 5 lines I would have started to use the clipboard.

    Redim ArrayElement[30]; StrLength := Len(Route); if StrLength > 0 then ArrayElement[1] := Route[1] else ArrayElement[1] := ' '; if StrLength > 1 then ArrayElement[2] := Route[2] else ArrayElement[2] := ' '; if StrLength > 2 then ArrayElement[3] := Route[3] else ArrayElement[3] := ' '; if StrLength > 3 then ArrayElement[4] := Route[4] else ArrayElement[4] := ' '; if StrLength > 4 then ArrayElement[5] := Route[5] else ArrayElement[5] := ' ';

    //well let's use the clipboard to optimize this Clipboard.SetText(" ");

    if StrLength > 5 then ArrayElement[6] := Route[6] else ArrayElement[6] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 6 then ArrayElement[7] := Route[7] else ArrayElement[7] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 7 then ArrayElement[8] := Route[8] else ArrayElement[8] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 8 then ArrayElement[9] := Route[9] else ArrayElement[9] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 9 then ArrayElement[10] := Route[10] else ArrayElement[10] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 10 then ArrayElement[11] := Route[11] else ArrayElement[11] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 11 then ArrayElement[12] := Route[12] else ArrayElement[12] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 12 then ArrayElement[13] := Route[13] else ArrayElement[13] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 13 then ArrayElement[14] := Route[14] else ArrayElement[14] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 14 then ArrayElement[15] := Route[15] else ArrayElement[15] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 15 then ArrayElement[16] := Route[16] else ArrayElement[16] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 16 then ArrayElement[17] := Route[17] else ArrayElement[17] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 17 then ArrayElement[18] := Route[18] else ArrayElement[18] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 18 then ArrayElement[19] := Route[19] else ArrayElement[19] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 19 then ArrayElement[20] := Route[20] else ArrayElement[20] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 20 then ArrayElement[21] := Route[21] else ArrayElement[21] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 21 then ArrayElement[22] := Route[22] else ArrayElement[22] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 22 then ArrayElement[23] := Route[23] else ArrayElement[23] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 23 then ArrayElement[24] := Route[24] else ArrayElement[24] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 24 then ArrayElement[25] := Route[25] else ArrayElement[25] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 25 then ArrayElement[26] := Route[26] else ArrayElement[26] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 26 then ArrayElement[27] := Route[27] else ArrayElement[27] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 27 then ArrayElement[28] := Route[28] else ArrayElement[28] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 28 then ArrayElement[29] := Route[29] else ArrayElement[29] := Clipboard.GetText(); if StrLength > 29 then ArrayElement[30] := Route[30] else ArrayElement[30] := Clipboard.GetText();

    InsertString := ''; for i := 1 to 30 do InsertString := InsertString + ArrayElement[i];

    I am not sure if there would be a cast problem, but if so, must be possible to inherit from Clipboard...

    +1
  • (cs)

    This is quite a pattern: We could use it all sorts of ways:

    //Add 5 to number a[0] = in; a[1] = 1; a[2] = 1; a[3] = 1; a[4] = 1; a[5] = 1; int out = 0; for (int i = 0; i < 6; i++) { out = out + a[i]; }

    Think of the efficiency improvements!

  • TopPost3r (unregistered) in reply to Coyne

    This is almost a winner, but you forgot all the conditionals.

    It should be more like "if result is less than 5, add one" then "if result is still less than 5, add another one"...

    Coyne:
    This is quite a pattern: We could use it all sorts of ways:

    //Add 5 to number a[0] = in; a[1] = 1; a[2] = 1; a[3] = 1; a[4] = 1; a[5] = 1; int out = 0; for (int i = 0; i < 6; i++) { out = out + a[i]; }

    Think of the efficiency improvements!

  • Gary (unregistered) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    Nobody You Know:
    Gary:
    function padMe(str, tgt) {
  if (str.length!=tgt) {
     return padMe(str + "-",tgt-1);
  }
  else return str;
}

    That's better. This one just stack faults when I call padMe("ABC",1).

    padMe on the bottom? Come on Zooney, get the led out ...

    I'm a WTF generator, guys.

  • visualbasucks (unregistered)

    um, isnt this just

    create all ' ' string (35 chars) copy existing string into beginning of all' 'string

    or dim route as string dim maxchar as integer = 35 dim paddedroute as string [maxchar] ' do something if route > maxchar chars paddedroute = route for padme := len(route) to maxchar paddedroute[padme] = ' ' next padme

    dunno, might contain an of-by-one-error or missing pragmas for that

  • (cs) in reply to Gary
    Gary:
    Matt Westwood:
    Nobody You Know:
    Gary:
    function padMe(str, tgt) {
  if (str.length!=tgt) {
     return padMe(str + "-",tgt-1);
  }
  else return str;
}

    That's better. This one just stack faults when I call padMe("ABC",1).

    padMe on the bottom? Come on Zooney, get the led out ...

    I'm a WTF generator, guys.

    Is this a sockpuppet of that former employee of mine whose code tends to end up on the front page here?

  • visualbasucks (unregistered)

    and the missing: in ' do something if route > maxchar chars like 'missing: do something if route > maxchar chars

  • some dude (unregistered) in reply to Bananas
    Bananas:
    I prefer Vim myself. Type the first line, then qwyyp3w^k4w^k5w^k5w^kq

    Then @w as many times as you need. Or in this case, just 28@w

    BTW, I've mapped the Ctrl-K key to the increment function.

    This is why vim makes me hot.
  • wogboy (unregistered) in reply to TopPost3r
    TopPost3r:
    if StrLength > 0  then ArrayElement[1]  := Route[1]  else ArrayElement[1]  := ' ';
if StrLength > 1  then ArrayElement[2]  := Route[2]  else ArrayElement[2]  := ' ';
if StrLength > 2  then ArrayElement[3]  := Route[3]  else ArrayElement[3]  := ' ';
    The nice thing about this pattern is you can have a simple program generate maybe 100 lines like this, save them in a file, then just copy/pasta however many lines you need for the desired length of whatever string you're padding today. It speeds development, and that's the most costly part of computers.
    Mmmmm.....pasta
  • annie the moose (unregistered) in reply to Gary

    Str += " [35]spaces " // only one concat used. Str = Str.Left(35); //

  • Blah (unregistered) in reply to visualbasucks
    visualbasucks:
    um, isnt this just

    create all ' ' string (35 chars) copy existing string into beginning of all' 'string

    or dim route as string dim maxchar as integer = 35 dim paddedroute as string [maxchar] ' do something if route > maxchar chars paddedroute = route for padme := len(route) to maxchar paddedroute[padme] = ' ' next padme

    dunno, might contain an of-by-one-error or missing pragmas for that

    #define MAXLEN 30
#define BUFFSIZE (MAXLEN+1)
char InsertString [BUFFSIZE ] = { 0x00 };

strncpy(InsertString, Route, StrLength);
memset(InsertString + StrLength, ' ', MAXLEN-StrLength);
  • Squeeself (unregistered)

    "So, compilers sometimes do this neat trick called 'loop unwinding' to increase performance..."

    "Only sometimes? Pff. I'll do it manually ALL the time!"

  • Cheong (unregistered) in reply to RF
    RF:
    Looks like someone's getting paid by the SLOC.
    That's exactly how I thought.

    Maybe if the original poster check the code 2 months later, he would see the loop at the lower part got unwinded as well.

  • Macho (unregistered) in reply to not first
    not first:
    The truly brain-burning part is that they use a loop at the end to set each array element, but can't conceive of using a loop to fill the first "30 - Len(Route)" elements with spaces...

    How can you be sure that your loop doesn't contain off-by-one error

    Now back to formatting next 1000 lines for business report.

  • Almafuerte (unregistered) in reply to not first

    You are worse that the retard that wrote that code. It's sprintf() that you are looking for.

  • Moonraquel (unregistered) in reply to DonaldK
    DonaldK:
    Honestly, this is really juvenile coding. I'm thinking 13 or younger.

    I don't know about that - I would never have done something like that when I was 13 (or younger) and I don't think anyone else my age would've, either. Then again, when I was a kid, we had books and magazines full of BASIC (and assembly, LOGO, and Pascal, to some degree) programming tutorials.

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