The Daily WTF: Curious Perversions in Information Technology

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

The truth can fail if it can't be handled.

boog · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
boog:
trtrwtf:
Yeah, it sucks donkey balls.
Oh, so we're baiting Zunelander too, are we?

No, we're bitching about Sharepoint. The only thing that can be said about it is that it sucks donkey balls. If Zunelander sucks donkey balls as well, I guess that's his problem.

Obviously.

My company likes to use Sharepoint for data storage. I keep trying to explain to people that storing spreadsheets in Sharepoint is not a relational database, that it's hard for apps to query data when stored this way, it impedes our ability to make intelligent decisions about our business, and it's surely a security risk if any important business-secret-type data are stored there. But all I ever hear in response is "cluck cluck cluck...". I guess they've got me there.

nonpartisan · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

frits:

So how's everybody's day going?

Wanna come over and help me troubleshoot a 10 gig core to dist link? Telecom tech has tested it multiple times (a tech I trust, actually) and it passes with flying colors. Errors started on one side, he built a new circuit and tested it, now the errors are showing up on the other side with no changes in hardware. Fiber cabling is all that has changed and it's now all brand new.

Time to start replacing hardware . . .

trtrwtf · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

boog:
trtrwtf:
boog:
trtrwtf:
Yeah, it sucks donkey balls.
Oh, so we're baiting Zunelander too, are we?

No, we're bitching about Sharepoint. The only thing that can be said about it is that it sucks donkey balls. If Zunelander sucks donkey balls as well, I guess that's his problem.
Obviously.

My company likes to use Sharepoint for data storage. I keep trying to explain to people that storing spreadsheets in Sharepoint is not a relational database, that it's hard for apps to query data when stored this way, it impedes our ability to make intelligent decisions about our business, and it's surely a security risk if any important business-secret-type data are stored there. But all I ever hear in response is "cluck cluck cluck...". I guess they've got me there.

I guess it's a little less bad here - we use Sharepoint for the company intranet. It's a twisted godawful mess, but it's not like any of it matters for anything. If it fails, it's very public but ultimately inconsequential, since nobody can find anything on it anyway.

Now if anyone can explain to me why the marketing department runs the intranet, I'd be grateful. Do we need to market to the employees?

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Gotta love VB.

The variant variables are so full of promise but ultimately full of fail.

Try the following code :

trueval = true; falseval = false;

if val( trueval ) = val( falseval ) then msgbox("Awsome") end

captcha ludus : combining the best of lewd with the best of ludicrous

frits · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
Now if anyone can explain to me why the marketing department runs the intranet, I'd be grateful. Do we need to market to the employees?

Because nobody else wanted it? It is sharepoint, after all.

frits · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

nonpartisan:
frits:

So how's everybody's day going?
Wanna come over and help me troubleshoot a 10 gig core to dist link? Telecom tech has tested it multiple times (a tech I trust, actually) and it passes with flying colors. Errors started on one side, he built a new circuit and tested it, now the errors are showing up on the other side with no changes in hardware. Fiber cabling is all that has changed and it's now all brand new.

Time to start replacing hardware . . .

No thanks. Stories like yours make me glad I'm a software dev.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

frits:
I don't have anything to say right now. I'm just trying to draw flames.

boog:
I had a bowl of cereal for breakfast.

Behold a parade of false dichotomies! Marching ever onward into oblivion! Ragnarok! The abyss that stares into you! All one the same!

Combat is the ultimately the only way of the soul but also ironically its destroyer in the way of destroying the body that contains it exposing it to the dreary corrosion of this miserable material world.

Indeed as if indubitably there was any difference between our consuming of sustenance and our burning desire for conflict then overlooking the unity of life and death would be forgivable but alas it is not and so it is not.

I love to see the day when we could know all but then there would be no distinction between being and knowing and we would come to an end and much like combat will have severed the tie between our mind and body and there will be little of consequence to understand about this world.

Here we discover our deadly but also vitalizing and awe-inspiring fascination with the thanatos that underlies our entire lives being at once unable to live but also dying to do so leaving us always tip-toeing the precipice always afraid to look down.

Look up! Look down! Love life! Love death! Learn to love both for as long as you live you must live with both!

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Born Texas Proud:
Seriously, if you haven't operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you haven't lived.

Well, actually, if you haven't operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you probably have lived.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Jay:
Born Texas Proud:
Seriously, if you haven't operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you haven't lived.

Well, actually, if you haven't operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you probably have lived.

Well actually, if you have operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you probably could've died .

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Gordon Freeman:
About exhausting a meme, I think the best way to kill a meme is to explain it to death.
That's because immature teenagers who use them are just looking for a cryptic language that only them and their bunch (or gang or bros or whatever vocabulary there is nowadays for it) understand, thus reinforcing the impression of sharing an identity. Obviously if you explain all of it (typically by writing a meme wiki), everyone outside the group can understand it, so the meme does not fill that role and is left only with its inner humoristic potential. Most memes don't have one, so they just die.

Sure. Lot's of people, especially school kids, want to be part of an "in" crowd.

When my daughter was in high school she once commented that what the Goth kids were apparently all about is, "I want to be a non-conformist -- just like all my friends."

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Wow, all the work some people have gone to on here planting troll posts, and I managed to generate quite a thread by making an off-hand analogy to drunk driving. I'll have to remember that next time I want to start a flame war.

trtrwtf · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

L.:
Jay:
Born Texas Proud:
Seriously, if you haven't operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you haven't lived.

Well, actually, if you haven't operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you probably have lived.

Well actually, if you have operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you probably could've died .

One thing's for sure: if you haven't lived, you certainly haven't operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

HP PhaserJet:
...bunch of Norse copy-pasta...

Did you pick up Odinism in prison?

boog · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
boog:
My company likes to use Sharepoint for data storage.
I guess it's a little less bad here - we use Sharepoint for the company intranet.

How do you think ours started? Soon enough, people realized they could share their fancy whiz-bang Excel reports on the Sharepoint intranet. Quickly this became the common place to store your data, especially when you knew you'd need to share it with other people. Surely if other people use Sharepoint, this is the logical place to put things, right?

boog: I'll program your app to pull these numbers, which database do I use? User: "Oh that's easy, you can get those off my Sharepoint site." facepalm

trtrwtf:
It's a twisted godawful mess, but it's not like any of it matters for anything. If it fails, it's very public but ultimately inconsequential, since nobody can find anything on it anyway.

That's actually part of our problem: since nobody can find anything, it's hard for us to keep track of whether there are any mission critical or private data being stored in Sharepoint.

trtrwtf:
Do we need to market to the employees?

Only if you have problems retaining employees. Which is a sign of bigger issues. Issues probably brought about by flawed business decisions. Flawed because they were based on invalid/outdated data. Invalid/outdated because it was stored in... you see where I'm going with this. It's a self-sustaining system.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

frits:
Oh hey dudes. I don't have anything to say right now. I'm just trying to draw flames.
So how's everybody's day going?

Pretty crappy, since no article was posted and nobody tried to break into my house last night.

boog · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Gordon Freeman:
About exhausting a meme, I think the best way to kill a meme is to explain it to death.

It's certainly the best way to kill a joke. Since a lot of kids use memes because they think they're funny, explaining them is a great way to take the fun out of them.

Gordon Freeman:
...them and their bunch (or gang or bros or whatever vocabulary there is nowadays for it)...

I think it's "entourage" now. And not because they know what it means, but because there's a TV show called that.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Jay:
Born Texas Proud:
Seriously, if you haven't operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you haven't lived.

Well, actually, if you haven't operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you probably have lived.

Your ignorance is just what I was trying to correct in my original post.

FYI, I've operated a motor vehicle hundreds of times an lived...but that's about as much an accomplishment as rubbing your head and scratching your nose.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

The Mr. T Experience:
HP PhaserJet:
...bunch of Norse copy-pasta...
Did you pick up Odinism in prison?

No, but I picked up a move called "Thor's Hammer".

frits · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Born Texas Proud:
frits:
Oh hey dudes. I don't have anything to say right now. I'm just trying to draw flames.
So how's everybody's day going?
Pretty crappy, since no article was posted and nobody tried to break into my house last night.

What kind of Texan are you? If the home intruders aren't currently trying to break in, it's you're God-given right to go out, find the would-be perps, and dish out a healthy dose of "prevention".

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

frits:
Born Texas Proud:
frits:
Oh hey dudes. I don't have anything to say right now. I'm just trying to draw flames.
So how's everybody's day going?
Pretty crappy, since no article was posted and nobody tried to break into my house last night.
What kind of Texan are you? If the home intruders aren't currently trying to break in, it's you're God-given right to go out, find the would-be perps, and dish out a healthy dose of "prevention".

Sadly, it's not Mexican season this time of year.

Matt Westwood · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
frits:
So how's everybody's day going?

Sharepoint.

Oh jeezus. You too? (Although I've managed to avoid it today, spending most of my time configuring Liferay to act as a producer for a home-grown app which SharePoint is supposedly going to be able to consume. Except nothing quite works out of the box the way it's advertised to. Shrug, stroll on. More such fun tomorrow.

Matt Westwood · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Hater:
frits:
If irony is what they're going for, may I suggest the "Care Bears".

No you can't suggest ACTUALLY SHUT UP AND GET OFF MY SITE forever

Oh, it's your site, is it? Really? Really, truly? In that case ... fuck off!

Matt Westwood · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Jay:
Gordon Freeman:
About exhausting a meme, I think the best way to kill a meme is to explain it to death.
That's because immature teenagers who use them are just looking for a cryptic language that only them and their bunch (or gang or bros or whatever vocabulary there is nowadays for it) understand, thus reinforcing the impression of sharing an identity. Obviously if you explain all of it (typically by writing a meme wiki), everyone outside the group can understand it, so the meme does not fill that role and is left only with its inner humoristic potential. Most memes don't have one, so they just die.

Sure. Lot's of people, especially school kids, want to be part of an "in" crowd.

When my daughter was in high school she once commented that what the Goth kids were apparently all about is, "I want to be a non-conformist -- just like all my friends."

"You're all different!" "YES! WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT!" "(I'm not.)"

trtrwtf · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Matt Westwood:
Jay:
Gordon Freeman:
About exhausting a meme, I think the best way to kill a meme is to explain it to death.
That's because immature teenagers who use them are just looking for a cryptic language that only them and their bunch (or gang or bros or whatever vocabulary there is nowadays for it) understand, thus reinforcing the impression of sharing an identity. Obviously if you explain all of it (typically by writing a meme wiki), everyone outside the group can understand it, so the meme does not fill that role and is left only with its inner humoristic potential. Most memes don't have one, so they just die.

Sure. Lot's of people, especially school kids, want to be part of an "in" crowd.

When my daughter was in high school she once commented that what the Goth kids were apparently all about is, "I want to be a non-conformist -- just like all my friends."

"You're all different!" "YES! WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT!" "(I'm not.)"

I had a son (yawn) who was all different, it wasn't funny, blah blah blah, more sensitive, is this meme exhausted yet? Or are we just creating another meme?

Damn you, Richard Dawkins! Why'd you have to invent memes anyway?

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Matt Westwood:
Oh, it's *your* site, is it? Really? Really, truly?

Yes, from now and on. You're all doomed. I suggest it's better for you to leave just now. Before you're frustrated and will actually commit suicide

This place will become most unpleasant place to visit in near future.

trtrwtf · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Hater:
Matt Westwood:
Oh, it's *your* site, is it? Really? Really, truly?

Yes, from now and on. You're all doomed. I suggest it's better for you to leave just now. Before you're frustrated and will actually commit suicide

This place will become most unpleasant place to visit in near future.

So, let me guess - frits has finally decided he's sick of unregistered posters and he's trying to force Alex to require registration to post, by making a nuisance of himself under random unregistered names. Do I get a gold star?

nonpartisan · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

frits:
nonpartisan:
frits:

So how's everybody's day going?
Wanna come over and help me troubleshoot a 10 gig core to dist link? Telecom tech has tested it multiple times (a tech I trust, actually) and it passes with flying colors. Errors started on one side, he built a new circuit and tested it, now the errors are showing up on the other side with no changes in hardware. Fiber cabling is all that has changed and it's now all brand new.

Time to start replacing hardware . . .
No thanks. Stories like yours make me glad I'm a software dev.

Looks like both interfaces may have gone bad simultaneously. One side is running clean, the other is still erroring.

I do Perl on a fairly regular basis. It has been a long time since I've done any C of any substance. But it seems like there are more things that are easy to overlook/not think about and get bitten by in software development than in hardware (the level at which I work in hardware, anyway). It wasn't until I'd finished my latest Perl creation (a new network monitoring plugin) using a simple flat file per switch/router to store interface index values that I realized I'd have a concurrency problem when it came time to make sure the database was current. For a seasoned programmer who has had to do a lot of concurrency, yes, it's readily apparent. For those who don't have to do it very often, it's easy to miss. I'm now aware of it, but I haven't had time to correct it yet. (No, it's not production.)

Troubleshooting this has taken a long time, but what's involved is pretty simple. Fiber path is tested good, so swap each component until the failures stop. Not much to it except time and having to walk across campus multiple times . . .

It's a life. It may not be your preference, and others here may not like it, but it's a life.

PedanticCurmudgeon · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
I had a son (yawn) who was all different, it wasn't funny, blah blah blah, more sensitive, is this meme exhausted yet?

If the only remaining uses of a meme are satirical, it's safe to consider the meme exhausted.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Jay:
Gordon Freeman:
About exhausting a meme, I think the best way to kill a meme is to explain it to death.
That's because immature teenagers who use them are just looking for a cryptic language that only them and their bunch (or gang or bros or whatever vocabulary there is nowadays for it) understand, thus reinforcing the impression of sharing an identity. Obviously if you explain all of it (typically by writing a meme wiki), everyone outside the group can understand it, so the meme does not fill that role and is left only with its inner humoristic potential. Most memes don't have one, so they just die.

Sure. Lot's of people, especially school kids, want to be part of an "in" crowd.

When my daughter was in high school she once commented that what the Goth kids were apparently all about is, "I want to be a non-conformist -- just like all my friends."

Speaking of memes and school kids, my kids run around with their friends saying "fail" and "Pwned" now. Thank you, internet!

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
Do I get a gold star?

You weren't allowed to talk moron! You're opinion not worth a shit. Eat dirt.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

@Deprecated:
Jay:
Gordon Freeman:
About exhausting a meme, I think the best way to kill a meme is to explain it to death.
That's because immature teenagers who use them are just looking for a cryptic language that only them and their bunch (or gang or bros or whatever vocabulary there is nowadays for it) understand, thus reinforcing the impression of sharing an identity. Obviously if you explain all of it (typically by writing a meme wiki), everyone outside the group can understand it, so the meme does not fill that role and is left only with its inner humoristic potential. Most memes don't have one, so they just die.

Sure. Lot's of people, especially school kids, want to be part of an "in" crowd.

When my daughter was in high school she once commented that what the Goth kids were apparently all about is, "I want to be a non-conformist -- just like all my friends."

Speaking of memes and school kids, my kids run around with their friends saying "fail" and "Pwned" now. Thank you, internet!

Okay, maybe those aren't memes. Whatever.

trtrwtf · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Hater:
trtrwtf:
Do I get a gold star?

You weren't allowed to talk moron! You're opinion not worth a shit. Eat dirt.

Love you too, frits.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

frits:
Oh hey dudes. I don't have anything to say right now. I'm just trying to draw flames.
So how's everybody's day going?

Awesome, now that Nagesh and Hater's comments are replaced with "Nogesh"! Thanks for asking.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
Matt Westwood:
Jay:
Gordon Freeman:
About exhausting a meme, I think the best way to kill a meme is to explain it to death.
That's because immature teenagers who use them are just looking for a cryptic language that only them and their bunch (or gang or bros or whatever vocabulary there is nowadays for it) understand, thus reinforcing the impression of sharing an identity. Obviously if you explain all of it (typically by writing a meme wiki), everyone outside the group can understand it, so the meme does not fill that role and is left only with its inner humoristic potential. Most memes don't have one, so they just die.

Sure. Lot's of people, especially school kids, want to be part of an "in" crowd.

When my daughter was in high school she once commented that what the Goth kids were apparently all about is, "I want to be a non-conformist -- just like all my friends."

"You're all different!" "YES! WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT!" "(I'm not.)"

I had a son (yawn) who was all different, it wasn't funny, blah blah blah, more sensitive, is this meme exhausted yet? Or are we just creating another meme?

Damn you, Richard Dawkins! Why'd you have to invent memes anyway?

Sir, my son was Richard Dawkins, and I assure you it is no laughing matter...

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

I bet this passed unit testing!

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
Love you too, frits.

I KNEW you're gay. C'mon I'll fuck you hard

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

No More Gesh:
Awesome, now that Nagesh and Hater's comments are replaced with "Nogesh"! Thanks for asking.

Hello looser! How's your ass today? Still hurts? 3>

SQLDave · 2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Planet:
That is rather common on politics, where the True is ridiculed and the False reigns more often than not.
In programming, however, the real fail is on a different level - a placeholder template, in which probably not rarely only the first part is replaced by code that makes any sense. The result is what I call exception munching.

W. T. F.

Every time I try to parse that phrase, my brain reboots.

I know your punctuation keys work, I can see periods and commas in the rest of the submission.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Do or Do Not. There is no Try

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Matt Westwood:
Jim:
Jim:
Is it just me or is C-Octothorpe (the real one) the world's biggest sucker for trolls? He's had several of them baiting him along today....
Matt Westwood not so far behind.... At least frits and boog seem to be selective about which trolls they follow....

It can be fun. Like you feed the sealions at the zoo to hear them going: onk, onk.

Oh dear, I've just gone and done it again ...

Onk! Onk!

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Born Texas Proud:
Matt Westwood:
Born Texas Proud:
C-Octothorpe:
Born Texas Proud:
Matt Westwood:
C-Octothorpe:
Born Texas Proud:
Jay:
Gordon Freeman:
Someone is going to say there probably was some code inside that was removed (probably when all of the email list's mail providers moved the company's domain to their antispam filter).
That someone is then going to say this is not a WTF, because whatever has an explanation cannot be a WTF, for some reason.

Ditto. I never have understood those comments. If something started out right and then someone changed it to be stupid, that may explain how it got to be stupid, but it doesn't make it not-stupid.

Like, driving drunk is stupid. If you explain to me that you only drove drunk because you were too intoxicated at the time to realize that this could lead to an accident, that doesn't make it any less stupid.
I can't believe all of you self-righteous jerks who try to tell me what is and what is not ok to do inside of my own vehicle. You don't see me swerving all over the road while I attempt to send text-messages traveling at highway speed, but it's perfectly acceptable for me to enjoy a cocktail within the confines of my automobile.
Hell yeah! If I want to take everyone else's life into my own two drunk hands, that is my God given right!

Sounds good to me. Less Americans in the world.
Would you rather have a short, happy life or a long dull one?
If you want to die young, go shoot yourself in a field somewhere. Just be sure you don't take anybody else down with your selfish ass.

Quite frankly, the sooner people with your attitude disappear, the better.
Shoot myself in the field...where does the fun come in?

Seriously, if you haven't operated a motor vehicle while intoxicated, you haven't lived.
If you think you're really fucking hard, go and drive at 100mph through a built-up area, drunk as a skunk, with heavy metal blaring out of the wound-down windows at 11:30 at night in Saudi Arabia. Then come and mew-mew-mew my-pussy-hurts they won't let me drive drunk, snivel waah.
Saudi Arabia? You poor bastard.

Unfortunately, my camel does not go 100mph, no matter how much I try. Even the cattle prod doesn't get him above 30....

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Hater:
frits:
If irony is what they're going for, may I suggest the "Care Bears".

No you can't suggest ACTUALLY SHUT UP AND GET OFF MY SITE forever

Interesting. Alex must be Hater??

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
boog:
trtrwtf:
boog:
trtrwtf:
Yeah, it sucks donkey balls.
Oh, so we're baiting Zunelander too, are we?

No, we're bitching about Sharepoint. The only thing that can be said about it is that it sucks donkey balls. If Zunelander sucks donkey balls as well, I guess that's his problem.
Obviously.

My company likes to use Sharepoint for data storage. I keep trying to explain to people that storing spreadsheets in Sharepoint is not a relational database, that it's hard for apps to query data when stored this way, it impedes our ability to make intelligent decisions about our business, and it's surely a security risk if any important business-secret-type data are stored there. But all I ever hear in response is "cluck cluck cluck...". I guess they've got me there.

I guess it's a little less bad here - we use Sharepoint for the company intranet. It's a twisted godawful mess, but it's not like any of it matters for anything. If it fails, it's very public but ultimately inconsequential, since nobody can find anything on it anyway.

Now if anyone can explain to me why the marketing department runs the intranet, I'd be grateful. Do we need to market to the employees?

Must confess same here. Sharepoint falling over just means redface for the people who insist on using it...

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

In all seriousness, I have a friend who truly believes that the next evolution in computing is a 3rd state.

On.Off.Maybe.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Hortical:
frits:
Born Texas Proud:
frits:
Oh hey dudes. I don't have anything to say right now. I'm just trying to draw flames.
So how's everybody's day going?
Pretty crappy, since no article was posted and nobody tried to break into my house last night.
What kind of Texan are you? If the home intruders aren't currently trying to break in, it's you're God-given right to go out, find the would-be perps, and dish out a healthy dose of "prevention".
Sadly, it's not Mexican season this time of year.

Hey, I had a son who was a season ...

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

Earp:
In all seriousness, I have a friend who truly believes that the next evolution in computing is a 3rd state.
On.Off.Maybe.

Not 3 state, but multiple state. Not just on and off, but Voltage.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

I will try my probabilistic boolean

public structure boolean

   public vl as single
   public prob as single
   public filenotfound as integer

   public shared function operator and ( b1 as boolean ,b2 as boolean)
      dim v = b2.vl * b2.prob - b1.vl * b1.prob
      dim p = (b2.prob + b1.prob) / 2
      dim f = (b1.filenotfound + b2.filenotfound) * p
      return new boolean(v, p, b)
   end function

end structure

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

trtrwtf:
Hater:
Matt Westwood:
Oh, it's *your* site, is it? Really? Really, truly?

Yes, from now and on. You're all doomed. I suggest it's better for you to leave just now. Before you're frustrated and will actually commit suicide

This place will become most unpleasant place to visit in near future.

So, let me guess - frits has finally decided he's sick of unregistered posters and he's trying to force Alex to require registration to post, by making a nuisance of himself under random unregistered names. Do I get a gold star?

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt More likely it's one or more members of one of the hives on slashnet. They also try to run shit on stack overflow. SO Mafia AKA TDWTF Mafia: http://www.slashnet.org/channels/somafia

Codelove (formerly tdwtf) http://www.slashnet.org/channels/codelove

NOW YOU KNOW.

2011-11-03 Reply Admin

mole:
NOW YOU KNOW.

Thanks I'll join them

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